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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is the Opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Leah finocchi A. Oh good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listeners Lea.

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Speaker 1: We know that today is such an important day in

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Speaker 1: terms of remembering those police officers that we've lost, but

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Speaker 1: it's also I see there is bipartisan support obviously to

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Speaker 1: light up Parliament House, to mark well, to market blue,

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Speaker 1: make it blue. I guess for the National Police Remembrance Day.

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Speaker 2: Without question, and today is National Police Remembrance Day, and

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Speaker 2: of course it's a time to pay our respects to

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Speaker 2: foreign police officers and also thank our current serving police.

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Speaker 2: You know, they go to work every single day and

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Speaker 2: put their lives on the line to protect Territtorians and

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Speaker 2: their families pay a huge price for that. So it's

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Speaker 2: a very somber day. And I was very proud to

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Speaker 2: have been able to pledge my support to anti police

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Speaker 2: at the Police Association conference around lining up Parliament House blue,

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Speaker 2: I wrote to the Speaker, And of course the Legislative

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Speaker 2: Assembly is making sure that Parliament hos is lit up

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Speaker 2: and it would be a beautiful and touching reminder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really will be, and I think it's such

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Speaker 1: an important thing for us to do and to make

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Speaker 1: sure that our officers know how much we respect that

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Speaker 1: hard work that they do and that we understand that

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Speaker 1: they do put themselves in very dangerous situations each and

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Speaker 1: every day. And I like the fact that there is

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Speaker 1: this bipartisan support for this. It's a no brainer, really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, without question. It's just the right thing to do,

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Speaker 2: and I really hope that police and their families find

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Speaker 2: it a fitting tribute. It will look absolutely spectacular, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's just one of those nice, important, you know,

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Speaker 2: signifize and those reminders to each and every one of us.

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Speaker 2: You know, people will go past and perhaps not realize

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Speaker 2: the significance of the day, and they'll see the blue

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Speaker 2: and they'll ask questions and it will then filter through

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Speaker 2: the community how important this is. But you know, our

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Speaker 2: police are doing more with less, Katie. We've got serious

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Speaker 2: when they're doing it really tough, you know, it's really

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Speaker 2: important that the territory community wraps around them. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm proud to be an Alice Springs today to show

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Speaker 2: my support to police down here in attendor service this morning.

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Speaker 1: And Leah, we'll talk more about your trip to Alis

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Speaker 1: in just a moment, but I do want to know, well,

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Speaker 1: one thing that the government and the opposition don't seem

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Speaker 1: to be an agreement or bipartisan support on is this

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Speaker 1: mandatory vaccination stance. Firstly, do you know if there's going

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Speaker 1: to be a rescheduling of that meeting and are you

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Speaker 1: get the information that you say that you need.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So we've been asking for a briefing since the

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister's announcement on the fifteenth of September, which is

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Speaker 2: a long long time ago. Now we don't want a

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Speaker 2: briefing from the Chief Minister on his policy position. We

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Speaker 2: want to hear the best health advice from doctor Hegey

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Speaker 2: or the Deputy Chief Health Officer. Yesterday afternoon we will

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Speaker 2: and so Billian, our Shadow Minister for Health, will be

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Speaker 1: So meeting with the Deputy Chief Health Officer today and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, without question. You know, it's a really big policy change.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we've been very very much pushing the message

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Speaker 2: show whole opposition team, our staff, our friends, and our

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Speaker 2: the best way we know to protect yourself, your family

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Speaker 2: and it's been a very divisive issue in the community.

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Speaker 2: Some people are very upset, some people are thrilled, and

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Speaker 1: Leah, was it a bit petty of the colp to

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely not. We asked on the fifteenth of September

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Speaker 2: And so finally that meeting with the Deputy Chief Health officers.

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Speaker 1: Today And so how soon will territorians then know whether

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, I guess over the coming days.

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Speaker 2: from the start, and I think it's really interesting, Katie.

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Speaker 2: You know, as early as May I was talking about

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Speaker 2: And there's a big difference. Of course, any job that's

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought though that we had determined through those

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Speaker 2: Well, the federal numbers are linked to the Medicare card,

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Speaker 2: big deparity between the way the Gunner government counts jabs

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Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day, we've

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Speaker 3: We're working very closely with thirty businesses at the moment.

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Speaker 3: We're just working through what the statistics look like, but

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Speaker 3: certainly we're seeing a significant number of business is facing

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Speaker 3: a massive hardship. The latest round of the Tourism Survival

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Speaker 1: Leah, I know that obviously you are in Central Australia

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Speaker 2: So the impact is just so different down here than

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Speaker 2: We know that in Central Australia only about ten percent

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Speaker 1: Does it just come down to territory funding goal or

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Speaker 1: do we realistically need the federal government to step in

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the federal government has changed its rules

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Speaker 2: that this is money the government's already allocated. So the

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Speaker 2: government have done the right thing. They've put a bucket

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Speaker 2: carving off money separately for Central Australia and working out

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Speaker 2: different innovative ways that that's going to support the industry

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are running out of time, But obviously earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week we discussed more about these Quantus flights.

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Speaker 1: We know that Quantus is seriously considering that Darwin London route.

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Speaker 1: It's not the first time that we've heard about it,

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Speaker 1: but that discussion really heated up yesterday when we learned

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Speaker 1: that person's definitely been crossed off the list. Do you

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's really exciting news. I mean it's

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Speaker 2: just unimaginable really that they'd be a direct flight from

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Speaker 2: will be very familiar with airline services making all sorts

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Speaker 2: government is going to have to work out some sort

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Speaker 2: of I don't know, I mean, I just don't know

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Speaker 2: how under the current regime it's going to be physically possible.

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Speaker 2: If you are, if there are two hundred people in

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Speaker 2: come to Darwin. Well, currently they're not allowed to come

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Speaker 2: to facilitate that flight. Interesting times, very exciting, but certainly

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Speaker 2: I think there's a bit of logistical work to under well.

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Speaker 1: We were saying yesterday lots of questions which remain unanswered.

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Speaker 1: I think is probably the way of putting it, Leah,

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Speaker 1: very quickly. Obviously you are in Alice Springs at the moment.

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Speaker 1: What is on the agenda for locals down in Alice?

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Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, crime has been the number one issue. I

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Speaker 2: the events that had happened the night before at their home.

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Speaker 2: The level of violation that the community feel. You know,

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Speaker 2: alcohol is clearly still an issue, and you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: we've got pallies on bottle shops in Central Australia, but

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Speaker 2: it seems to be all comfortables at the moment, Katie.

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Speaker 2: So there's some serious issues around the government not delivering

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Speaker 2: the number of pallies they need on bottle shops in

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Speaker 2: our police sports who are already dealing with major issues,

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Speaker 2: particularly around youth crime. So yeah, crime front and center

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Speaker 2: on people's minds down here, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Well, leoth and Okio, will we see you Friday for

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Speaker 1: the week that was or someone else?

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Speaker 2: I think you'd be seeing Jared or Murray Claire on Friday?

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Speaker 1: Good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me to order a coffee for me.

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Speaker 1: Well, we will catch up with you again very soon.

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Speaker 1: Leath and Oki the opposition leader, Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 2: Take care everyone,