1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: On today's show, Sammy Robinson explains the truth behind Jordan 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Simmy's boxing match, Olivia Rodgers blasts and Nail Salon for 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: insulting customers right under their noses, and why we're over 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: the growing hate being thrown at Megan Markle. 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer in pop culture 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: news twice a week. I'm Amy Torbert and I've currently 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: got a new car sitting in my driveway. Unfortunately it's 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: not mine. It's a higher car because Sophie and I 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: have had to take our cars in finally to get serviced. 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: Apparently it's the most expensive service of their lives. 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: So that was always great to hear. It's fun. 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: It's the only time I ever vacuumed my car because 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: I want to appear like that girl who has her 15 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: life together, you know, the cars clean when usually it's 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: an absolute pit. My neighbors came over and said hello 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: to me last night when I was cleaning out my car, 18 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: and I. 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: Just had like five water bottles sitting out car. 20 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: It's a disgusting mess. Did you have bags and bags 21 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: of clothes in there? 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? 23 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: Well, I was meant to be donating them then. Anyway, 24 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: I finally donated them to be fair, it was because 25 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: you were moving. I'm Sophie Tabert and I have a 26 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: kmart hack for anyone who's looking for some new glassware. 27 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: So we do some work with Weeks Homes and we 28 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: were filming one of their display homes and I saw 29 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: this drinks cut and there were these incredible palm tree 30 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: sort of pink glasses and I thought, oh, these must 31 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: be from an expensive store. They're from Kmart. 32 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: Fourteen dollars for six. Go and check them out. They've 33 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: got some really nice stuff there. 34 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm Kate Torbert and I have still shocked 35 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: at how much everything cost at the Royal Adelaide Show. 36 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 2: I was very excited. 37 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: To be there, but the ticket to get in was 38 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: twenty eight dollars and that was the discounted price. The 39 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: real price at the gate was thirty three dollars, and 40 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: I was quite shocked. I mean, I understand that the 41 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Royal Show must be making up for lost time because 42 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: it was put on hiatus for two years during the pandemic. 43 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: I just think we're aal shocks because we used to 44 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: get media passes and we didn't actually realize how much 45 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: the show. There was a showbag for fifty dollars. The 46 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: Child's worth nuts back fifty dollars. I don't think I've 47 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: ever seen a show priced at that. 48 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: I did take a photo. 49 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: There was a frozen coke, a large one for nine dollars. Well, 50 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: I nearly died because we were really looking forward to 51 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: the jam donuts and we're like, oh, so, what's the 52 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: go here, Like what's the deal? And he's like, well, 53 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: there's one for three dollars fifty and it's six for 54 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: eighteen dollars, and I was like, excuse. 55 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: Me, We'll take the six. 56 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: It's like monopoly money. When you go to the show, 57 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: I think you've just got to reside yourself to the 58 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: fact you're going to spend a lot of money and 59 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: you have to enjoy the experience. 60 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: And I did enjoy it. 61 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: Now, before we get into the episode, we do want 62 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: to pay tribute to our beautiful cat Lulu, who passed 63 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: away just shy of her fifteenth birthday. 64 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: We had a really sad weekend. 65 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It's been horrible. It's like losing a 66 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: family member. So we got Lulu when we were eighteen nineteen, 67 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: and she's literally just been a constant in our lives. 68 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: She was the most beautiful soul and we're just going 69 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: to miss her so much. I feel like everyone will 70 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: know that feeling when it's not a pet, it's literally 71 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: a fan member. I think it's been hard to because 72 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: she's been battling what we believe is cancer for the 73 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: past three weeks, so it's sort of been this really 74 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: slow goodbye. And everyone just give your pets an extra 75 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: cuddle tonight because they are just so special. 76 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 4: And hopefully get the dub and get my extral friend's 77 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 4: attention because I miss you. I still love you. 78 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: Fashion influencer Sammy Robinson has declared her love for Jordan 79 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: Simmy on his podcast. 80 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: Grouse and a Few Reds. 81 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: The one mile founder officially confirmed she has taken Jordan 82 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: back after he boxed his way back into her heart. Now, okay, 83 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: regular listeners are very familiar with this story, but for 84 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: those who might be in you, please give us a 85 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: little bit of a rundown. Well, essentially, everyone was shocked 86 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: when rumors started circling that Jordan and Sammy were together, 87 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: and they did confirm their relationship. They shared a lot 88 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: of posts together and then suddenly Jordan dropped off Sammy's feet. 89 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: Well they broke up twice, I believe. Yeah, so everyone's 90 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: kind of wondering what was going on. 91 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: They unfollowed each other, and then all of a sudden, 92 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: Jordan started to declaring his love for Sammy quite constantly 93 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: on his feed. It was quite clear he was trying 94 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: desperately to get her back, and then this whole boxing 95 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: match happened. So he went to the media and said 96 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: he was fighting for Sammy's love and to get her back. 97 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: So it's all kind of been going on for a 98 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: couple of months now, and Sammy stayed really quiet on 99 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: the matter until now. Well, she did, of course attend 100 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: the boxing match, and a lot of followers felt like 101 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: Jordan was putting a lot of pressure publicly on her 102 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: to attend and also to get back with him. 103 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: It was all very bizarre, wasn't it. 104 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really was, And I was quite shocked to 105 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: hear Sammy's take on the whole thing. So when she 106 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: was asked about what she thought about Jordan fighting for 107 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: her love, she said that she thought the whole thing 108 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: was quite funny and cute, and she admitted that she 109 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: was surprised that the media had even picked up on 110 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: the story because she didn't realize that it was actually 111 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: a professional boxing match. She just thought it was just 112 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: some little thing Jordan had been involved. Yeah. Well, she 113 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: also said that she didn't like the fact that she 114 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: got pulled into the story and she was sort of 115 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: acting like it was the media's fault when it was 116 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: Jordan who actually fueled the media coverage. He seemed very 117 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: thirsty for the media coverage. And I found it all 118 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: quite peculiar because she was saying, oh, well, you know, 119 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know we share an office together. 120 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: We were still communicating during that time, and yeah, I. 121 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: Thought it was cute. How was it not a publicity 122 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: stunt by him? 123 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: And annoyed me because Jordan was acting as if the 124 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: media had exaggerated everything, but it was him giving these 125 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: quotes and then sharing the story on his social media 126 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: like he was trying to hype it up just as much. 127 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: And so, as you said, I suspect working in the 128 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: same office has really helped in getting Sammy and Jordan 129 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: back together, because Sammy said a lot of people didn't 130 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: realize they were actually working very closely together, and she said, 131 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people thought that she was only seeing 132 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: these updates in the media about the fight, whereas you 133 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: know he was literally in the office over from her. Well. 134 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: I know we have spoken a lot about the close 135 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: friend list and how it can be quite dangerous when 136 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: influencers share things that aren't intended for the public. But 137 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: he could have put all of this attention seeking stuff 138 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: on his close friend's list targeted at Sammy instead of 139 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: putting it out there for everyone to see and making 140 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: it publish. Thing is, though, what I felt when I 141 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: listened to this podcast is that a lot of Jordan's 142 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: behavior has been very calculated. I feel like he has 143 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: seen Sammy on social media and has come up with 144 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: somewhat of a plot to date her. He is known 145 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: for dating. He dated Isabelle Clark and famously produced a 146 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: PowerPoint presentation to try and get her back. 147 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: He's dated an actress. 148 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: From Neighbors, so he's dated quite a lot of Bonnie Anderson. 149 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: I oh, okay, so he's dated quite a lot of 150 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: high profile people, and I think if you also have 151 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: a profile, you might be like, oh, I want to 152 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: date her. And he mentioned that she usually doesn't attend 153 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: a lot of events. She's a bit of a recluse, 154 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: and they shared that they actually met drunk at a 155 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: party and he said that he bumped into her and 156 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: it was all a little bit like a movie and 157 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: then his friends were saying, oh, you never bump into anyone, yea. 158 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: He sounded very calculated and he did to seeing her previously. 159 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: She said, it's a bit weird because. 160 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: Did he blame him though, I mean, she's stunning. He 161 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: trying to. 162 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: Bump into Sammy did say I've come to realize that 163 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: nothing is accidental when it comes to Jordan. So he 164 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, we bumped into each other. 165 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: He then said, which I mean. There were a lot 166 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: of red flags during this interview. He said that he 167 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: quit his job on the spot because he was actually 168 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: leaving the party when he bumped into her. And he 169 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: said he texted his boss quitting the job because he 170 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: knew that there was something special between them. And as 171 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: he said, so, it was dropped on the podcast that 172 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: Jordan had spotted Sammy before he even met her. Apparently 173 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: he saw her crossing a road in Byron Bay and 174 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: he had told everyone not to mention it on the 175 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: podcast because he thought it sounded really creepy, which it did. 176 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: It did sound creepy. 177 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: Why isn't it romantic though, because I feel like reading 178 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: between the lines, as I said before, it seemed all 179 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: very orchestrated, and I think there were a lot of 180 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: red flags coming up. So they did talk a lot 181 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: about why they broke up, and it seems like they've 182 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: gone into a lot of damage control because there are 183 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: a lot of rumors that he cheated on her, and 184 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: there was all this scandalous stuff and they've had to 185 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: come out and said, look, the actual reason for the 186 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: breakup was a communication issue. And while Sammy was explaining it, 187 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: I don't think she did any justice for Jordan because 188 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: she kept talking about how intense Jordan was, and she said, 189 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: as an example, if she doesn't immediately reply to his 190 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: text messages, he then starts to have an argument with 191 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: himself and it all goes around in circles. That seems 192 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: really overwhelming behavior. And it also sort of makes sense 193 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: of this Instagram behavior because it's like, let's just put 194 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: out some more attention seeing stuff. 195 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: Let's see if she'll buy it at this. 196 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And she also had an example she said, oh, 197 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: if he asked me if I want a coffee and 198 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: I don't immediately respond to he's like, hello, Hello, there 199 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: are you there? Like it just seems like he needs 200 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: this instant gratification all the time. It sounds a bit 201 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: like a teenage romance. It did come across as a 202 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: little bit immature. Sammy also explained that she is quite 203 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: an avoidant person, so she said she's not good at 204 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: expressing herself in terms of her emotions, and that she 205 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: goes into her shell where Jordan's like the complete opposite. 206 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: Apparently he loves to talk and is an oversharer, and 207 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: I feel like she kind of tiptoed around a big 208 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: argument that happened when they were drunk, because she made 209 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: a joke that communication style doesn't work when she's tipsy. 210 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: And she said also that they're very fiery characters, so 211 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: they both like being the boss and it's always their 212 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: way or the highway. So you can see how that 213 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: would be really difficult. And it sounds like what happened 214 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: reading between the lines is they're both out drunk, there 215 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: was a big fight they were both fiery over, and 216 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: Sammy made the snap decision to break up with him. 217 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: But she said that she then regretted it because she 218 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: realized she still liked him. I felt like there was 219 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: a lot of love bombing also going on during this, 220 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: and Sammy seemed quite reluctant to say it back to him. 221 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: She kept saying, Oh, I do like you, I do 222 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: care for you. He's like, please tell me you love me, 223 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: and she finally did admit it. Now let's listen to 224 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: Jordan's reasoning behind the breakup. 225 00:09:53,679 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 4: No, yeah, it was obviously a communication breakdown. And you know, 226 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: I'm I'm a wild stallion. So I just as soon 227 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 4: as I you know, as soon as the paddock opens, 228 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 4: I'm just I'm trotting. 229 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 230 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 4: So but yeah, same thing, right. I just once again, 231 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 4: in hindsight, I was. 232 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: Like, could I have done things bitter sure and. 233 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: Put me back in this stable man? I don't want 234 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 4: to trot I love this girl, you know, So it 235 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: was it was it was. 236 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: You always referred to trotting. 237 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you didn't try anywhere side. When I 238 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: was listening to this podcast, I just couldn't believe they 239 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: were actually together. Like, I know, opposites attract, and it 240 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: seems like Samy's got the case where she likes the 241 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: bad boy but I just found this really cringe and 242 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: quite immature, the way he spoke about the whole break up. Yeah, 243 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: I think that it does sound like, perhaps deep down, 244 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: he is quite a lovely and caring guy. Though it's 245 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: obvious that he does want to spend a lot of 246 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: time with her. He said that if he could, he'd 247 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: spend all his time with her. I think it's quite apparent, though, 248 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: that he's more into her than she is into him, 249 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: and I think he knows that well. I think it's 250 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: outwardly because you know, they've just spoke about the communications style. 251 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: Sammy likes to keep things to herself. I mean, it's 252 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: quite interesting. She went into the fact that while she's 253 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: a public figure, she actually likes to keep things very quiet, 254 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: which I found quite odd because it's like, you're famous 255 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: for putting your life out there. 256 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but she puts. 257 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: Her makeup routine out there in her day to day 258 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: life that she I don't think she really opens up 259 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: that much about her relationships and her friendships and what's 260 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: going on in her family. 261 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: She did she used to vog a lot. 262 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: With her ex boyfriend Nick, and they did a lot 263 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: of the boyfriend tag, and that. 264 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: A boyfriend tag. 265 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: It's not going into immense detail about what arguments you have. Yeah, 266 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: but I think if you're an influencer, it's a bit 267 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: weird to say I like to keep things private, because 268 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: the whole reason she's famous is because she put her 269 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: real life online. But I think as you get older 270 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: and as you evolve, you decide things that you don't 271 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: feel comfortable having online, a bit like how Abby Chatfield 272 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: put it out there last week that she doesn't feel 273 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: comfortable speaking about her breakup despite the fact that she 274 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: did put her relationship out there. And I think we 275 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: do have to respect people's boundaries at the end of 276 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: the day. I understand that, and I think every influencer 277 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: is well in their rights to evolve and change the 278 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: rules around their privacy. And obviously Samy's doing that at 279 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: the moment because her brand one mile is taken off 280 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: and she no longer has to share her daily life. However, 281 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: I think that that's where she's going to find relationship 282 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: problems with Jordan, because he clearly is in that up 283 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: and coming phase where he's got a podcast and he 284 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: shares literally every detail about his life. He's now getting 285 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: into vogging, and he needs her. He's using her at 286 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: the moment, whether you know. I'm sure he is very 287 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: much in love with her, but it seems like he's 288 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: using her to boost his own profile, and I think 289 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: that's going to conflict with what Sammy actually wants. The 290 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: thing is he is more into her than she is 291 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: into him, and this is why he's not featuring in videos. Yeah, 292 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: she's not playing bowl or she went on the podcast 293 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: she did, but that's because her followers probably don't really 294 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: listen to it. And I think there was a lot 295 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: of contention around the fact that he's always sharing about 296 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: her and he's not getting a feature on her profile, 297 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: and she said, look, it will all come in good time. 298 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: I also found it quite interesting because Sammy actually commented 299 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: that they locked down together in ISO two days after 300 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: they met each other, and I thought, again, this was 301 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: a red flag because you read a lot about guys 302 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: love bombing, guys, being controlling, guys, moving the relationship too quickly, 303 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: and it just seemed like it had all of those 304 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: red flags. I'm going to show you how I get 305 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: my curtain veins to sit like this using just my 306 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: hair dryer and this brush. Former Miss Universe Australia winner 307 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers has blasted a nail salon after its staff 308 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: allegedly said she was not pretty enough to take home 309 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: the title. She also alleges the nail technicians regularly comment 310 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: on other customer's weight and appearance right in front of 311 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: their faces. Now, so if you what happened, Yeah, well, 312 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: Olivia has actually been going to this nail salon for 313 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: the past two years, and she said she always got 314 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: this weird sort of vibe where she felt like the 315 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: staff didn't like her because they weren't very welcoming or friendly, 316 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: and she couldn't shake this feeling. So she decided to 317 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: check out a new nail salon, and it turned out 318 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: that the now technician who did her nails that day 319 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: happened to have previously worked at the other salon. Olivia 320 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: said that she'd always found this staff member to be 321 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: really lovely and that she always did a great job. 322 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be awkward going to get to this new 323 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: salon and then realizing that someone from the old salon 324 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: was there and the whole reason you'd left was now 325 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: Olivia's fears about the salon seemed to be confirmed. She 326 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: wrote on Instagram. I went somewhere else today and the 327 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: lovely lady who did my nails used to work at 328 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: that other salon. 329 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: She said. 330 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: They always bitch about me and say they can't believe 331 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: I was Miss Universe because I'm not very pretty dead. 332 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: I knew it. She said. 333 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: They also talk about other customers constantly, and not in 334 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: a nice way in front of them in Vietnamese. Fair 335 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: to say, I won't be going back there. She then 336 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: did the clown of Oji and continued saying, I don't 337 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: want to name and shame, but I'm going to write 338 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: a letter. I emailed them to let them know they 339 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: have to do better. It's a salon in Armadale. If 340 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: you DM me, I will tell you privately so you 341 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: can boycott now. Olivia did follow up, and instead of 342 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: writing a letter, she left the company a review on 343 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: their business account. Now we've chosen not to name the 344 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: store out of respect, as I don't really think it's 345 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: fair to name and shame when we don't know the 346 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: full story. We're only no one side of it now. 347 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: A listener in our group discovered the review within half 348 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: an hour of Olivia writing it, which I thought was 349 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: pretty impressive. So The review said, the staff here do 350 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: a great job at nails, and the place is nice 351 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: and clean. However, the customer service is not good. I 352 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: have been going here for almost two years, but I 353 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: won't be coming back. I never feel welcome and the 354 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: staff always seem frustrated when I ask them anything. There 355 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: used to be some lovely staff members, but they have left. 356 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: I recently found out the staff speak about customers, criticizing 357 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: women's way and appearance right in front of them. It's 358 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: abhorrent and not good enough. 359 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: Do better. I was quite. 360 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: Disturbed to hear that the staff members were allegedly talking 361 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: about women's way in particular in front of them. I 362 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: feel like what Olivia experienced is something that a lot 363 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: of us fear because it's weird when you do get 364 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: a certain vibe that people don't like you, but then 365 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: when you have confirmation that people have spoken about you 366 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: badly behind your back, you know, it just makes you 367 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: feel really shit. What do you think about the nail 368 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: technician who now works elsewhere that told her, Because it's 369 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: pretty bold to be like, oh, actually everyone was bitching 370 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: about you. That's actually the first thing I thought of 371 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: amy when I read Olivia's post. I don't think it 372 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: was the now technician's place to tell her this information. 373 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: If she has moved salons, there might be an element 374 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: of exaggeration taking place, or maybe she has a motive 375 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: because she left on bad terms, And if it was me, 376 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to hurt the client's feelings in that way. 377 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: It's a very awkward conversation to have, particularly it appears 378 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: that they've commented on Olivia's appearance and wait, which just 379 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: blows my mind because she's such a stunning girl, and. 380 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: It's not even relevant if she is stunning. 381 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: Even if it was someone who's evenually attractive, it's still 382 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: not good enough to be discussed in that way. I 383 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: think it's okay for the technician to have told Olivia 384 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: that maybe it wasn't the best place to go to 385 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: when they weren't the nicest people. I did think maybe 386 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: it was a bit hurtful what she said. Maybe allude 387 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: that they were rude, but don't pinpoint what they actually said. 388 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: I can just imagine how your heart would drop, because, 389 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: particularly going somewhere that's meant to be a bit relaxing, 390 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: you're pampering yourself and then someone to abruptly tell you 391 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: something so honest I almost. 392 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 2: Wouldn't want to know. And that's the thing. 393 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: I do think there's an element of truth to what 394 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: this now technician saying in the sense of because Olivia 395 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: did get a bad vibe when she went into the store, 396 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 1: and it just made me you really feel for her, 397 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: because I think as women, we all have this imposter syndrome, 398 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: and you know, for her, if she's walking around with 399 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: the title of Miss Universe, I feel like you'd feel 400 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: this pressure to always look flawless whenever you went out 401 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: of Miss Universe Australia or Miss Universe Australia. And I 402 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: think she's made a platform for herself by embracing her 403 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: natural skin, and she's spoken about her struggles with adult 404 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: acne and also overcoming an eating disorder. So the tone 405 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: that you're not pretty enough to be missed Universe, I 406 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: think would have really played on her and anyone else 407 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: put in that position. And she does cop a lot 408 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: of commentary from trolls as well, so she's obviously got 409 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: people emailing her nasty stuff and then people going, oh no, 410 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: these women are speaking shit about you, basically, And I 411 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: feel like there hasn't been much sympathy for her in 412 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: that sense, because a lot of people think, oh, this 413 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: is pretty influence. So that's just upset about not being 414 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: told how pretty and fabulous she is. But a lot 415 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: of people are sensitive at the end of the day, 416 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: and these sort of comments would really affect them and 417 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: great on them. The thing is, I don't think that 418 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: this is indicative of what they say about everyone coming in, 419 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: that they're judging everyone's appearance. I think it's because Olivia's 420 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: come in and they are aware that she has this title, 421 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: so there might be an element of jealousy, like, oh, 422 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: she's not that good. I don't think that's true, Okay, 423 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: because you look at Olivia's review and she flat out 424 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: said that they talk badly about everyone that comes in. 425 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: A lot of people that come in, no, but I'm 426 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: saying it might not just be about their parents. So 427 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: it might be like, oh, look at this person's in 428 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: grown tone. Now you don't know. Now, I mean to 429 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: be fair to a lot of people who work in 430 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: now salons, though they have to put up with a 431 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: lot of crap, Like I don't regularly get my nails done, 432 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: but sometimes I come in and I feel like I 433 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: must look like an utter pig. Yeah, I don't get 434 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: my toenails done for that reason. I've got a bit 435 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: of a pnky toe from wearing high heels. I feel 436 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: like there's probably a lot of egos. I used to 437 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: go get my nails done at Burnside and for those 438 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: who don't live in South Australia, it's like a quite 439 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: posh area and I'd always see the Burnside moms in 440 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: there getting their nails done, and they would never actually 441 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: like they went very nice to the women that were 442 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: doing their nails. So I can understand how it would 443 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: be very annoying, but I don't think it gives you 444 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: the right to talk about someone like that. I do 445 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: think that influencers need to tread really carefully when they 446 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: are deciding to call out a business, and in this case, 447 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: I do really think that Olivia's intention was to protect 448 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: future customers and also stop other men or w from 449 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: experiencing the same treatment. That's the thing they have to 450 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: tread so carefully, because you can get really emotionally invested 451 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: into something and do a complete rant and call these 452 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: businesses out which are small business, and then ruin their 453 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: complete reputation. So I think It's great that she didn't 454 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: name and shame them. 455 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: Wasn't it quite a big business as well? 456 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't some sort of mum and pop owned business. 457 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: Yea rather large business. 458 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: And I do think Olivia has the right to share 459 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: her experience on her own platform. She didn't name and 460 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: shame or cancel any individual. She did say you can 461 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: slide into her DMS if you suspect it's the store 462 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: that you go to. Yeah, but I think she was 463 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: quite measured in her response. Now, one criticism that has 464 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: come from Olivia's statement is that some people believe she 465 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: should have not included the language that the nail technicians 466 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: were speaking in, and some have labeled it as casual racism. 467 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: One member in our Facebook community wrote, no one is 468 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: saying Olivia is racist. However, she is white slash white passing, 469 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: which does give her the privilege of not having experienced 470 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: throwaway comments like this that do unfortunately contribute to anti 471 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: Asian sentiment or the distrust of Asian people. Because she 472 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: has not experienced it, of course, she won't be thinking 473 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: about how harmful adding that detail can be to the 474 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: Asian community. And I found this comment really insightful, as 475 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: when I first read Olivia's comments about the salon, her 476 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: comments regarding the language didn't glaringly stand out to me, 477 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: but maybe that is because I am white myself and 478 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: I haven't experienced this. So with more voices in the 479 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: Asian community being applied to this conversation, I think it 480 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: is worthwhile for us to be mindful about how certain 481 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: details or comments can still cause pain to a community, 482 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: even if it's not intended by the person at all. 483 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: And I think you're right. 484 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: So I don't think Olivia intended to be offensive, but 485 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: it is a good conversation to have, isn't it. Yeah, 486 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: And I think she would be quite horrified if she 487 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: felt that she had offended a community through her comments. Now, 488 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: off the back of this whole nail salon criticism, would 489 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: you guys go to a nail salon if the nail 490 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: are on point, they're fantastic, they look great. However you 491 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: find out that the staff talks about the customers behind 492 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 1: their back. Well, a number of critics said that as 493 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: long as the staff are doing a good job, who cares. 494 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: But I don't think that's true. 495 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: In so many jobs, it's not just about your expertise 496 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: and how good you are at providing a service or 497 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: the product. Customer service has to come into it, particularly 498 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: in the beauty industry. 499 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of the beauty. 500 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: Industry is about making people feel good about themselves and comfortable. 501 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: You know, it's a bit of a day out to 502 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: get your nails done. I would not go if I 503 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: knew they were talking shit about me. I feel so awkward. 504 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: I wouldn't go. The thing is, though, it's so hard 505 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: to find good service these days. It's not good service, no, 506 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: but in terms of the actual nails, application of nails, like, 507 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: I've been to some terrible now places. I went and 508 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: got SNS at one place, and I had already had 509 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: some SNS from a prior salon, and instead of actually 510 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: removing it properly and like you know, putting the solution 511 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: on and soaking it, they literally just cracked a hole 512 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: in it and ripped it off. Now, if I had 513 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: the choice of that happening but then being really nice, 514 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: or them doing it properly and doing a really great job. 515 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: And maybe there's some being some stuff said about me 516 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: behind my back that I'm not aware of. Seeing beck 517 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: Lomass nails, She's always getting her nails done, and every 518 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: time she goes, I swear they've done. 519 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: A terrible job. 520 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: Oh really, Like she went to America and apparently it 521 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: cost her like over one hundred dollars to get her 522 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: nails done and they were fucked. 523 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: Did she think they were bad? 524 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: And she thought they were terrible And she'd recently just 525 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: got engaged, so she had terrible fingernails. 526 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: I don't know how they could expect that after all 527 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: of this time, we would still just be silent if 528 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 3: there is an active rule that the firm is playing 529 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: in perpetuating falsehoods about us. 530 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: Following the death of the Queen, Mega Markle has found 531 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: herself as a scapegoat for a country mourning the death 532 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: of their beloved, longest reigning monarch. So if there was 533 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: so much going on in the UK at the moment, 534 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: it has been a huge and very sad week in 535 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: the UK, And even before the news of the Queen's passing, 536 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: there has been a lot of attention on Meghan Markle 537 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: because she was back in the UK after a very 538 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: long stint away. So she was a keynote speaker at 539 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: the One Young World Summer and there was a lot 540 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: of criticism thrown at her for her speech where she 541 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: apparently focused too much on herself. Yeah, and she and 542 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: Harry were booed as they walked on the red carpet, 543 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: but when they went inside they were met with great applause. 544 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: But that would have thrown them a little bit being booed. 545 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. 546 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: And I think it comes at a time obviously, Meghan 547 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: has released her podcast that everyone has been waiting so 548 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: long to listen to, and the reviews haven't been great. 549 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: And we'll get into that a little bit later. But 550 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: I think that this is such a dangerous time for 551 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: Megan because, as I said in the intro, everyone is 552 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: currently looking for someone to blame about the death of 553 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: the Queen. 554 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 2: Everyone is upset. 555 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: And this has all come at once for Meghan because 556 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: it's taken a couple of years for her to finally 557 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: launch her podcast and it's come out with very mixed reviews, 558 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: mostly negative. Yeah, and all eyes were very much on 559 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: Meghan and Harry when the news of the Queen's terrible 560 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: health was reported. So on Thursday night, am I know 561 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: you and I were absolutely glued to Twitter, just waiting 562 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: for any information to come out there. And there are 563 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: a lot of news reports that Harry and Meghan were 564 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: on their way to be by the queen's side in Bowmorrel. 565 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: Yeah in Bowmral, and a lot of users on Twitter 566 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: were saying, oh God, that's going to be super awkward. 567 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: In the end, it turned out that apparently Meghan and 568 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: Kate did not attend, and it was very much a 569 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 1: close family affair. Well, there was a lot of conversations around, oh, 570 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: will Kate Middleton is staying back because her son Louis 571 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: her youngest son, had had his first day at primary school, 572 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, yeah, that's fine, but it 573 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: doesn't seem it didn't seem fine that Meghan wasn't there. 574 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: I feel like the British press would have said, oh, 575 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: it's terrible if she had gone, and it's terrible that 576 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: she didn't go. There was no way Meghan could have 577 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: won in that situation, and it's quite disturbing when you 578 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: do look at the press coverage that has followed Meghan 579 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: since the death of the Queen. So in forty eight 580 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: hours following her death, author Edwin had would point it 581 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: out on Twitter that the UK's Daily Mail ran fifteen 582 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: negative headlines about Meghan. Strangely they only ran one about 583 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew who's been accused of pedophilia. So the headlines 584 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: about Meghan range from they say the cause of death 585 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: was Meghan Markle's podcast, to Charles told Prince Harry not 586 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: to bring Meghan to Balmoral to see dying Queen. One 587 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: thing I have really liked is seeing Harry, William, Kate 588 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: and Meghan back together. So there have been some iconic 589 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: videos and images shared of the four of them, four 590 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: the Fab four, all in black. They look I mean, 591 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: Kate and Meghan lookd abolute stuning. I know he's got 592 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: nothing to do with it, but they looked so similar. 593 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: Having previously been booed at the other event, I just thought, 594 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: how brave of Meghan to actually go out there. As 595 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: BBC journalist Laura Kesingbern pointed out, she said, the British 596 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: media have explained they're extremely angry at Meghan Markle for 597 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: turning up. They've also confirmed they would have been absolutely 598 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: disgusted at the state Home. There was a really touching 599 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: moment where Meghan was actually standing behind the three of 600 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: them and Harry, William and Kate were talking to someone 601 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: when William actually goes and sort of pushed her forward 602 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: to join in the conversation. I think it's a brilliant 603 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: move by the firm or the pr team there because obviously, 604 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: with the Queen passing away, she was a very popular figure. 605 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: It has brought up a lot of questions about whether 606 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: countries like Australia will become a republic or whether the 607 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: UK will be happy with a new leader in the 608 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: form of King Charles, which sounds so peculiar to say 609 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: out loud, and a lot of people think that, you know, 610 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: it should have just been handed to William, and Charles 611 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: is obviously smart enough to realize that his boys being 612 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: together and then being a unified force is very important 613 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: for the monarchy to continue on. Well. 614 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: I think it was. 615 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: Actually there were reports saying that Prince William was the 616 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: one who got the Fab four together. It was he 617 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: and Harry who were talking and they decided that the 618 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: Queen would obviously love to see them together and just 619 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: touching on this walk about that the Fab four did. 620 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 1: There was a lot of reports on the fact that 621 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: Megan hugged a fifteen year. 622 00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: Old girl who was in the crowd. 623 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: So this girl told the media that she saw Megan 624 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: and she wanted her to know that the UK public 625 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: were happy that she'd come out and they were supportive 626 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: of her, so she gave her a hug and this 627 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: video went viral on TikTok Instagram. It was all on 628 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: the news sides, and now people have picked up that 629 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 1: in the corner there's a woman who just is like 630 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: rolling her eyes, doesn't want anything to do with Megan. 631 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: It's like, how is this fifteen year old so mature? 632 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: She's mature enough to see that Megan's suffering, gives her 633 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: a hug, and there's a middle aged woman snubbing her. 634 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: I feel like we've kind of shown which team we're on. 635 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: We're obviously shouldn't even be sides, I think, yeah, because 636 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: the thing is I haven't. Actually, I've only started listening 637 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: to her podcast today to prepare for this episode, because 638 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people have been asking us what do 639 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 1: you think about Megan Mirkaele, and I've been waiting for 640 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: her to say something offensive or do something wrong, and 641 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm listening and I'm like, I'm very confused. Yes, some 642 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: of it's a bit naff, it's very twelve vibes, a 643 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: female emparament. What she meant to do wrong with achieve 644 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: on it? Why is everyone going after Meghan? Can we 645 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: just all jointly go after Prince Andrew. He's literally been 646 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: accused of being a pedophile. He single handily tarnished the 647 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: image of the Royal family. And for some reason, we're 648 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: demonizing Meghan because last year she spoke up out about 649 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: mental health and about copying racism. One that her podcast 650 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: is very American and that might be why it's putting 651 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: British people off. I mean, she's got a beautiful voice, 652 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: and her presentation skills are top notch. You can see 653 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: she's a great in there. I think that may be 654 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: putting people off because it comes across as maybe too polished. 655 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: Another criticism has been that she's had her famous friends 656 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: on or pumping up one another's tires. But so many 657 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: podcasts interview celebrities, and they're interviewing celebrities about difficulties or 658 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: challenges that they face that perhaps everyday people. 659 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: Can relate to in some way. 660 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: Do you not blows my mind as well is that 661 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: Meghan is so similar to Diana, who is well loved. 662 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: I mean, think about it. 663 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: They've both been labeled as rebel royals. They both did 664 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: tell All interviews and spoke out about the negative press, 665 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: treatment and mental health issues, and everyone's slamming Meghan. And 666 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: I feel like the crux of it is that people say, oh, well, 667 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: she's asked for a private life, yet she's on a 668 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: podcast and she's on TV interviews. Sorry, wouldn't you defend yourself? 669 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: But there's also a difference between asking for a private 670 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: life and then wanting to continue with your passion or 671 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: your business, which is clearly in the entertainment industry. There's 672 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: a difference between sharing what you're comfortable sharing and people 673 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: literally prying into every detail of your life, following you, 674 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: stalking you, and you're not allowed to say anything back. 675 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: And on the Diana point, I would find it so 676 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: interesting if obviously Diana hadn't tragically passed away and she 677 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to start talking out more and she 678 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: had a podcast, because I feel like anytime someone shares 679 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: their opinion, there are going to be people that don't 680 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: agree with it, and therefore that person cops hate. Kate 681 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: Middleton stays quiet and everyone loves it. Everyone thinks she oh, 682 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: she's stunning, she's just so classy, But what do we 683 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: know about it? We don't know anything. It's hard to 684 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: hate on someone that you don't know anything, It's true, 685 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: and I think that's why the Queen was so popular 686 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: as well, because she just didn't say anything that the 687 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: saying goes, never complain, never explains. And it's the same 688 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: as you said with Kate Middleton. She is playing the 689 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: part of royalty perfectly because we don't know that much 690 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: about her. But the British public love her, as you said, 691 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: because she's elegant, because she doesn't say too much, because 692 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: she seems to back Prince William. But we're all scared 693 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: of this strong female coming in. But isn't it funny 694 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: how everyone loves Harry because he was opinion like, it's 695 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 1: so genderous messaging. The thing with Diana, though, is that 696 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people now love her since she died baputism. Yeah, 697 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: it's this saintism thing, but she was always the people's princess. 698 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: But I do agree with you that once she died, 699 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: then suddenly it became that she was so revered by. 700 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: Everybody out of it. 701 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: But I think also in the past year there's been 702 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: so many think pieces and podcasts about Princess Diana, and 703 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: also books that have really delved into her life and 704 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: a few, you know, I hate using the word, but 705 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: problematic things that she's done or that have come up 706 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: that made her more human to every and I think 707 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: it is making people realize that, yes, these people are royalty, 708 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, they're just human 709 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: like everyone else. 710 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: It's interesting you say that, Sofi. 711 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: Because that's one big reason why people think that a 712 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: lot of the community will be against Charles bin King, 713 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: because he's actually been shown to be a flawed human being. 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