WEBVTT - 🎀 We Hated Barbie 🌺 (Sorry Not Sorry 😘)

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Frooms catch up podcast Barbie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Barbie Mania in Australia and all over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's taken over by storm, which I'm not mad about.

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<v Speaker 3>I was loving it in the sense that it's nice

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<v Speaker 3>to see people be really enthusiastic about stuff. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like when it comes to pop culture people the bell

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<v Speaker 3>curve between like this is really cool.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is lame.

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<v Speaker 3>It's literally one business day and if you're not on

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<v Speaker 3>it when it's hot, you don't even get to participate.

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<v Speaker 4>Did this gone for a bit too long? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Did we need every single store and brand in existence

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<v Speaker 3>to collab?

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<v Speaker 4>We did not.

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<v Speaker 3>However, I imagine there's a lot of money to be made,

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<v Speaker 3>and they made it.

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<v Speaker 4>I can see why they did it.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate that universe.

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<v Speaker 3>And I feel like, you know, for a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people who have a very close nostalgic relationship to Barbie,

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<v Speaker 3>it was a nice time to get near it Barby.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it wasn't really a.

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<v Speaker 3>Dull player Older Brothers, Tonka Truck, No, just I just

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<v Speaker 3>did what they did. So watch TV and wrestling and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>Crash Bandicoot, Yes, me too. Me too, Queen.

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<v Speaker 4>So I like hype.

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<v Speaker 3>I like mania. I like getting involved in things. I

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<v Speaker 3>like feeling I'm part of a movement. The thing that

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't understand about all the Barbie promo is that

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<v Speaker 3>none of us knew what the movie was about the

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<v Speaker 3>whole time. And that's what was confusing me about the hype,

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<v Speaker 3>because initially I was like, Oh, did you see as

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<v Speaker 3>Traitler or something that got you all excited? Thus the

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<v Speaker 3>movie is coming out, And granted, I know people love

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<v Speaker 3>Margot Robbie, but I didn't know they loved her in

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<v Speaker 3>the sense where they felt really strongly about her as

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<v Speaker 3>an actress. I thought they loved her as a personality.

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<v Speaker 3>So then I was really surprised and people were getting

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<v Speaker 3>really excited for Margot to be Barbie. For example, when

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<v Speaker 3>people get really excited about Meryl Street doing something, it's

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<v Speaker 3>because you've seen her legacy of creating, so you're really

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<v Speaker 3>really aware of what she can bring to a role, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually believe that Margaret is like Meryl, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>actually think that people like her as an actor, not

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<v Speaker 2>a personality, because she doesn't do that much.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't have Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I wasn't sure, Like I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 3>people liked her in that way. I watched ititania, I

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<v Speaker 3>loved it, you know, but I was like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know she had hype like this, especially coming off

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<v Speaker 3>the back of the Internet turning on her for a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit, which is so strange. It's a discussion happening

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<v Speaker 3>right now in the in cell community. They're doing all

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<v Speaker 3>these posts turning on women they once like heralded as

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<v Speaker 3>gold standard. They're all saying Zendaea as mid, Margo is mid.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you people insane?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>They literally lost it. That's what took me out of

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<v Speaker 3>the hype for a second. That I felt like I

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<v Speaker 3>was getting really excited about something that didn't exist for

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<v Speaker 3>a moment. And the more you try I tried to

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<v Speaker 3>seek for information, the more confused it became. Though I

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<v Speaker 3>did like that a brand like Barbie could generate that

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<v Speaker 3>much hype.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody even knew what it was about. But everyone was like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is gonna be sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Well pink, pink, beautiful outfits.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I just missed that.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not been excited about a film like this.

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<v Speaker 4>How did they do it?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's got to do with the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>Margot Robbie looks like a Barbie. Sometimes, especially in this climate,

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<v Speaker 2>people get upset and up in arms about diversity and

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<v Speaker 2>like things look in a certain way.

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<v Speaker 4>Let her cook, Let her cook, people get let her cook?

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<v Speaker 2>What sin Yeah, particularly no, I'm talking about the in

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<v Speaker 2>cell community.

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<v Speaker 1>Our half of the community of people out there are

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<v Speaker 1>like the mom mad sor look like this. This does

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<v Speaker 1>just look like this.

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<v Speaker 2>So finally they get what they want, which is Robbie

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<v Speaker 2>looking like a Barbie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The other thing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really surprised me about the Barbie movie is the

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<v Speaker 3>phrase marketing budget. You guys have never seen a marketing

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<v Speaker 3>budget in your life, Okay, and now all of a

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<v Speaker 3>sudden you know about P and L.

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<v Speaker 4>What's the marketing budgets?

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<v Speaker 1>And the Barbie movie?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the marketing budget above a line, below line.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing that I don't think I love about twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three and beyond is that we don't live in

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<v Speaker 3>smoke and mirrors enough. I don't want to hear marketing

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<v Speaker 3>budget when we're talking about seeing branding everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>It's too close to it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll eat at your bottom line. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Start to my bottom line.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just feel like we don't even live in

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<v Speaker 3>the mystery or the fantasy of something being created and

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<v Speaker 3>the pandemonium of it. We're not even just sitting at

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<v Speaker 3>it and enjoying it for what it is. We go

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<v Speaker 3>straight to logistics. But how does it work? And when

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<v Speaker 3>do they start talking about it? And like when did

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<v Speaker 3>they start filming? And what's the budget and what.

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<v Speaker 4>Do they get paid.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, also, we don't even know what the movie

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<v Speaker 3>is about. We have some controversial opinions about Barbie. The

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<v Speaker 3>thing about seeing a movie before the rest of the

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<v Speaker 3>world is that I don't want to be the person

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<v Speaker 3>who throws the first stone. I don't I've seen what

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<v Speaker 3>the internet does to people. There's glean in your eyes,

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<v Speaker 3>though smiling as I say, I don't want to be

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<v Speaker 3>the person who throws the first stone. So I will

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<v Speaker 3>allude at my feelings as we will do right now.

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<v Speaker 3>We recognize that this is a place where spoilers should

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<v Speaker 3>not be present, so we will agree that on air

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<v Speaker 3>we will not spoil the movie.

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<v Speaker 4>We will, however, give honest opinions. Right now, Let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Use three describing terms for how we felt about the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one, boring, I'm so sorry. Number two confused not confusing, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but confused.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Yeah, it's a big difference. Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>And third, let me actually get up my notes for

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<v Speaker 2>something that I sense. Oh, there's quite a few words

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<v Speaker 2>here typing.

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<v Speaker 4>In you know, you distributing slander?

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<v Speaker 2>Person, I texted, it's going Back's a bit a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a text for typing. What did I say right

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<v Speaker 2>after the movie? I said, contrived?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what one of my pure joys in life?

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think you know this to be true.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm welling the thought of it. When frooms shares strong opinions,

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<v Speaker 3>there is nothing like it, because one thing about this girl,

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<v Speaker 3>she lives on the fence. Ambiguity is her middle name

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<v Speaker 3>over the sides. And I can't not like you can.

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<v Speaker 3>I could never.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to start with three things that I liked

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<v Speaker 1>about the movie.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh good.

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<v Speaker 2>The choice of actors for this movie is both a

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<v Speaker 2>positive and a negative. The positive is they chose so

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<v Speaker 2>many incredible actors.

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<v Speaker 1>The negative is those actors had three lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Two actors that I was most excited to see in

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<v Speaker 2>this film is a Ray Yeah and Michael Sarah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Her massive Michael Sarah fan. Yeah. He had three.

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<v Speaker 3>Lines, maybe maybe three minutes of screen time if that,

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<v Speaker 3>and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Minute and a half.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he ate he loved Alan.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very cognizant of the laughter in the room,

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<v Speaker 2>of which there was not much in the Sydney premiere. Okay, however,

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<v Speaker 2>the laughs of beast laughs came from two actors, Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah and is a Ray.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a sixth sense.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew this timing of Esis is really good.

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<v Speaker 2>She had one line in the film near the end,

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<v Speaker 2>h that had the most last stitches.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you aware?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she says, and the Mattel logo goes over her mouth,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is she is?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I need to go into a negative here. Timney

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<v Speaker 2>cooks in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And when did I know that? I knew that in

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<v Speaker 2>the first one minute when produced by XOZ, Produced by XOZ,

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<v Speaker 2>there was five yeah that popped up and we're.

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<v Speaker 4>Still at the black screen. The movie I haven't even started.

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<v Speaker 3>It got produced by Heyday Productions. Mattel this this okay,

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<v Speaker 3>should we know these?

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<v Speaker 1>I was you remember me?

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<v Speaker 2>I laughed at that time. I thought everyone else was

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<v Speaker 2>sart giggling. I was like, is this part is this,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, so that's a negative and a positive.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Greta Gerwig, the director. I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>actually a good thing for her. Sure, I didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like the choices. However, she has so many

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<v Speaker 2>positive runs on the board as someone who I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even take notice the direct and I like Greta girwek

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<v Speaker 2>all right, riddle me that even if I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>this movie eight, the fact that it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>so high grossing, I say, go all the way off, Gretagwig,

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<v Speaker 2>because you deserve this money, and I'm sure you will

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<v Speaker 2>have many more projects in which to bring your weirdness,

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<v Speaker 2>your wackiness that I so much love. I did see

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<v Speaker 2>segments of it in the movie, but I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was the other people's contribution that muddied the waters.

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<v Speaker 3>I did hear as some devil's advocate everyone, but I

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<v Speaker 3>did hear in the grapevine that Mattel was a notoriously

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<v Speaker 3>difficult client, and there was a lot of pushback and

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<v Speaker 3>they had a lot of just a lot of critique

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<v Speaker 3>about how Mattel is represented, which you can now see

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<v Speaker 3>after watching the movie, how they might have got their

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<v Speaker 3>grabby little mits on a few of the bits and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>My three positives is that I feel as though it's

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<v Speaker 3>a beautiful watch. Like the set design, the costuming I

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<v Speaker 3>felt was so cute and camp and like in the

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<v Speaker 3>day and age of an indie film where everything is

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<v Speaker 3>like seep your tone and grain and like raw and

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<v Speaker 3>filmed on film. It's nice to see some like camp.

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<v Speaker 3>If I want to see a really saccerin sweet color movie,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't like what I'm gonna want to watch Wes

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<v Speaker 3>Anderson and that's it. So that I really enjoyed. There

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<v Speaker 3>are a few subtleties and referential quips that were really

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<v Speaker 3>sharp that I felt like that was really fun. But

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<v Speaker 3>I was laughing when nobody else was laughing, which confused me.

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<v Speaker 3>The third thing I really liked is the first thirty

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<v Speaker 3>minutes of the film. I felt as though like exploring

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<v Speaker 3>this idea of like Barbie gaining sentience and awareness I

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<v Speaker 3>felt could have been so powerful in the way that

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<v Speaker 3>they explored what is this like doll, what is her

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<v Speaker 3>idealization of being a person, then being a woman and

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<v Speaker 3>then interacting with the world around her? That could have

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<v Speaker 3>been really sick. It went from like profound to daft

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<v Speaker 3>very quickly. So every moment where I thought they were

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be like, Oh, this is gonna be like a

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<v Speaker 3>really interesting take on like what womanhood is, what feminism

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<v Speaker 3>is or is not, what a matriarchy is versus a patriarchy,

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<v Speaker 3>it just got really flat, which brings me to my

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<v Speaker 3>cons on my confusions is I don't know who the

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<v Speaker 3>movie is for, Like I don't know if it was

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<v Speaker 3>a kid's movie. I don't know if it's peopleho used

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<v Speaker 3>to play with barbies, so like did you play with barbies? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so let's take me twenty five to forty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, because I'm forty two.

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<v Speaker 3>So I couldn't tell if this was like nostalgia core

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<v Speaker 3>or if it was like for gen Z, because my

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<v Speaker 3>first thought was like, gen Z's gonna hate this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>There were Brat's community.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was like, gen Z's gonna hate this.

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<v Speaker 3>But I felt like they were trying to get that

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<v Speaker 3>angle in with like the little girl Daughter, But I

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<v Speaker 3>just couldn't tell who was made four And that reflects

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<v Speaker 3>in the disjointed humor, the disjointed approach to discussing real issues,

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<v Speaker 3>like it was such a watered down white feminist take

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<v Speaker 3>on like what it is to be a woman, and

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<v Speaker 3>like her first moment of being a woman was.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, oh my god, I've got to tell you, like

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<v Speaker 4>like it was just it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was so I was like different, Okay, great, like we're

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<v Speaker 3>taking this angle, or like her realizing that the aren't

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<v Speaker 3>of what Barbie did like obviously platformed or created space

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<v Speaker 3>for like a varied cool woman, but then inadvertently created

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<v Speaker 3>this like unrealistic beauty standard or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, let's talk about that. Let's find a way

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<v Speaker 4>to make that interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>All this idea of like women can be everything, Barbie

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<v Speaker 3>existed in a very racist time and we're just like

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<v Speaker 3>women are whatever and whatever. And then Ken discovering the

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<v Speaker 3>patriarchy that could have been so cool, but it was

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<v Speaker 3>like about horses haha. Also, I felt it was camp

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<v Speaker 3>in a straight way. Ooh, and I think that might

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<v Speaker 3>have been the issue for me. And I think that

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<v Speaker 3>camp in a straight way is actually cringe. There are

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of elements where I'm like, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit cringey. Let me say on record, I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 3>the movie. I giggled in the movie. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is cute. I enjoyed myself. The one thing that

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<v Speaker 3>took me out of it every time was the way

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<v Speaker 3>they set up jokes. They couldn't just like a joke

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<v Speaker 3>be a joke. It was always like, ah, a joke

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<v Speaker 3>is being made.

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<v Speaker 4>We made a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't this funny? Isn't this silly? We're making a joke now,

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<v Speaker 3>just let it be part of the dialogue. Everything was

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<v Speaker 3>so like, point to the funny thing, keep bringing up

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<v Speaker 3>this like one bit that should have died. It was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like when a toddler's like, look at me, jump,

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<v Speaker 3>look at me, jump again, looking at me like we

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<v Speaker 3>got it the first time, Like it's like here, we

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<v Speaker 3>get it. Patriarchy is funny, and like men like horses?

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<v Speaker 3>Why are we still tking about horses? Let's do two

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<v Speaker 3>lines closing thoughts each.

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<v Speaker 1>You go first.

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<v Speaker 3>Overall, I think if you shut off your brain and

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<v Speaker 3>just enjoy a silly, fun movie, you'll get a lot

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<v Speaker 3>out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot to look.

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<v Speaker 3>At, great outfits, great costumes, like a lot of really

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<v Speaker 3>easy to comprehend humor if you bring your critical analytical

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<v Speaker 3>brain into the elements that it encourages you to do so.

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<v Speaker 3>When it's talking about feminism and patriarchy, matriarchys beauty standards.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to pull yourself out of the movie and

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<v Speaker 3>it won't be enjoyable at all. And that's where the

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<v Speaker 3>movie pales. It's very like entry level white feminism. Women

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<v Speaker 3>can do it all or can't they do it all?

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<v Speaker 3>Type vibe, and it's not saying anything though. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think the movie has to say anything. I just think

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<v Speaker 3>for the target audience, which feels like twenty five to

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<v Speaker 3>forty five, you could have said something.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of wish they just went full silly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you kind of can't win when you're starting from Barbie,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's a hard article. This is a movie about

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<v Speaker 2>Barbie with Mattel having a major share in it, Like

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<v Speaker 2>how far down the critique of Barbie are we really

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<v Speaker 2>going to go? My one liner is that the hype

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<v Speaker 2>was worth it. I loved the pre Barbie thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>love seeing Margo's outfits. I like that it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be one of the highest grossing films, Like I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>for that shout out to Chicks So Slay. My second

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<v Speaker 2>thing is I don't want to watch people cry that

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<v Speaker 2>much on screen. There was fifty percent of it was

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<v Speaker 2>like sad and crying. Oh yeah, I hated a.

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<v Speaker 4>Lot of crying. You've been listening to The Flex and

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<v Speaker 4>Froom's daily podcast.

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