WEBVTT - Alex Duggan: THE TRAITORS AUSTRALIA - TALENT

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast last weep their line Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris, and on

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<v Speaker 1>watching and gives you a better insight into our television

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<v Speaker 1>industry and our streaming services. Today on the podcast, I

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<v Speaker 1>have the winner of the Traders. Yes, Alex outsmarted them

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<v Speaker 1>all in a dramatic finale which we will get time

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<v Speaker 1>to unpack today. I also want to say a special

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<v Speaker 1>thank you to all the messages throughout the series. I

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<v Speaker 1>felt really supported during the Trader exit interviews by a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of you while I took a deeper dive into

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<v Speaker 1>this new show, which might not have been the highest

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<v Speaker 1>rating series of the year, but something I quite enjoyed. Alex, however,

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<v Speaker 1>really made a lot of bold moves throughout the series.

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<v Speaker 1>The South Australians social media coordinator won the Channel ten

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<v Speaker 1>series taking home a cool two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>She defeated Queensland business coach Craig Carr, out smarting him

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<v Speaker 1>in a final showdown that was highly entertaining and probably

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most dramatic moments of twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>On Free to Wear. We will talk about that final moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the friendship between Alex and Craig survive, whether Alex

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<v Speaker 1>has been reading the comments on social media, how she

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<v Speaker 1>kept the result a secret from her friends and family,

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<v Speaker 1>plus how she plans to spend the cold hard cash. However,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get started with today's guest. I'd like to welcome Alex,

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<v Speaker 1>the winner of The Traders, to TV Reload.

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<v Speaker 2>It definitely broke Maha as much as it broke his.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it was intense.

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<v Speaker 1>Previously on The Traders.

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<v Speaker 3>You can kind of get away with more than what

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<v Speaker 3>you think you could.

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<v Speaker 1>A trader has to go with can I trust you

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, you know, I think it was quite almost a

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<v Speaker 3>necessary evil.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Alex received a secret invitation.

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<v Speaker 3>There's that famous saying keep your friends close, but your

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<v Speaker 3>enemies closer.

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<v Speaker 1>Two traders versus too faithful. I want to win like

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<v Speaker 1>nothing else.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a lot of masterminds behind the show, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure whatever they will do next will be magnificent

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<v Speaker 2>and better than the first season.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Alex, congratulations on winning the Traders.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, and thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>For people who are listening to this at home, I

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<v Speaker 1>sound that crazy saying Hi Alex, congratulations and winning the

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<v Speaker 1>Traders because I didn't press record and we're doing it

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<v Speaker 1>again for the second time, so I felt very disingenuous,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am very excited for you for winning.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>What about that look from Craig in the finale when

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<v Speaker 1>you revealed that you were a trader and had in

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<v Speaker 1>fact tricked him out of that money. That is a

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<v Speaker 1>television moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the television moment if I've ever seen one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it definitely broke my heart as much as it broke his. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was intense.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that intensity of what we saw on TV and

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<v Speaker 1>the finale? Is that what it was in the room?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it more than that or was it less than that?

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<v Speaker 1>Or you have to tell me what was it like

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<v Speaker 1>to be in that room.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think the intensity definitely came through the screen.

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<v Speaker 2>It was probably more intense in real life. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that moment was just heartbreaking really and just very scary

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you had conversations with him now offline, like where

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<v Speaker 1>has the friendship gone to this point? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, obviously it's hard for us to

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<v Speaker 2>catch up because we live in different states, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're all one big, happy family here, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that we all understand that at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a game and only one person could win.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is an interesting question to ask because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to know your traits, you know, the traits of

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<v Speaker 1>a trader. Did you think when you applied for this

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<v Speaker 1>show that you had what it takes? Slight sheet and steel,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, cunningly manipulate people. I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>the best way to describe this without reading it sound offensive.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that initially, you know, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>whether I was a very good liar. I think to

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<v Speaker 2>my friends and family, they all can tell when I'm lying.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think to people that you've just met, you

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<v Speaker 2>really build a relationship and rapport and you can kind

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<v Speaker 2>of get away with more than what you think you

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<v Speaker 2>could because these people have only known.

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<v Speaker 3>You for a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think anyone in my situation probably would have

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<v Speaker 2>surprised themselves, and I definitely surprised myself. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>that I was able to compartmentalize and kind of put

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<v Speaker 2>that trade a hat on as a job role really,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was all business decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>Although you know, it lent me to have a discussion

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<v Speaker 1>with my partner, you know, we're a same sex relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>and it gave us pause for thought. So we're thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that queer people are good at this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of competition, because at some point we've all led

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a double life with you know, coming

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<v Speaker 1>to terms with our sexual real and then having to

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<v Speaker 1>come to terms with that and tell other people that

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<v Speaker 1>we are same sex attracted.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a really good point.

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<v Speaker 2>I think also, like my coming out story is quite

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<v Speaker 2>kind of quite quite recent, so I think that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it does lend itself to being able to hide parts

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<v Speaker 2>of yourself and then only letting in the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>really are there for the long run.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, was it hard to be able to keep

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<v Speaker 1>this a secret? I mean, obviously you've won the show

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<v Speaker 1>because this was filmed a little while ago. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>did were you given any help on how to keep

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<v Speaker 1>this under your hat.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I just kind of had to pretend nothing ever happened,

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<v Speaker 3>which from my family and friends, they're all very kluey

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<v Speaker 3>and they you know, they drive really hard to get

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<v Speaker 3>secrets out of you.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, at the end of the day, I

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<v Speaker 2>kept that secret down to the last tooth and nail,

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<v Speaker 2>and when they.

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<v Speaker 3>All found out, it was one of the best moments

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<v Speaker 3>of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, is there a video of your friend? There is that?

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<v Speaker 2>There is a video, And I am completely swallow by

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<v Speaker 2>all of my friends and family, Like, you can't even

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<v Speaker 2>see me. My poor like five month old puppy only

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<v Speaker 2>just made it out of the firing line before I

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<v Speaker 2>run a part on top of me.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's a great moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, two Traders and two Faithfuls was a pretty even,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even stakes for the finale. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that it's luck or why do you think that that

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<v Speaker 1>was the way that the show came down? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, it was all based off of

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<v Speaker 2>all of our own decisions within that game, and whether

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<v Speaker 2>it was the rat or on one. Obviously the universe

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh yeah, let's have a moment for the

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<v Speaker 2>gays and the days and the girls. So yeah, two Traders,

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<v Speaker 2>two female Traders in the house was a great moment there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what's interesting. And I wasn't sure if

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to bring this up with you, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing it. I was pretty dark on you for

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<v Speaker 1>getting rid of the original Traders, so I went on

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a journey with you. I was very

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<v Speaker 1>happy for you to win, and as it happened, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yes, this is what it should be. But

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<v Speaker 1>was that just a heart Was that a really hard

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<v Speaker 1>decision to get rid of those original Traders or was

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<v Speaker 1>it a necessary evil?

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<v Speaker 3>Look? You know, I think it was quite almost a

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<v Speaker 3>necessary evil.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when I first got inducted, they did say that

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<v Speaker 2>they had just gotten rid of the other two Traders,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I thought, well, if it can happen to them,

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<v Speaker 2>it can happen to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't be silly, Alex.

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<v Speaker 2>And also maybe a little bit of revenge for murdering

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<v Speaker 2>all of my friends in the night, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think there's the nature of the show because

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<v Speaker 1>we're introduced to these original four and then to see them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, be chopped away. You know, it was brutal television.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of had to be that way, and I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you can look at it as you were offering

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<v Speaker 1>some revenge to the friends of yours that had already

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<v Speaker 1>departed the competition. Yeah, I think Craig made a few

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<v Speaker 1>mistakes in that last hurdle. What do you think the

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<v Speaker 1>Craig could have done a little bit differently?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you know, throughout the game, it's quite

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<v Speaker 2>hard to separate your head from your heart, and that

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<v Speaker 2>comes just with your personality and who you are.

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<v Speaker 3>And I respect that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he kept his integrity the whole way through

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<v Speaker 2>and thought with his heart. But at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, you know this is a mind game and

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<v Speaker 2>you do have to be able to separate both to

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<v Speaker 2>I guess eventually win or use that to your advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>Kate played a great game too. Do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>it was skill or luck that you beat her in

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<v Speaker 1>the end?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, Kate is one of the best board game players

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<v Speaker 2>that I probably have ever met in my life. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that if roles were reversed, she would have beat

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<v Speaker 2>me at my own game. But I do think that

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<v Speaker 2>because in the early days I built very very strong

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<v Speaker 2>relationships with everyone. That is kind of what got me

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<v Speaker 2>through and that skill of me being a people kind

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<v Speaker 2>of person was how it came to be.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you pick Kate because you felt like she

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<v Speaker 1>could She was a contestant you could beat. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what was the factors into you know, choosing the next trader?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Look, I mean there's that famous saying keep your

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<v Speaker 2>friends close, but your enemy's closer.

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<v Speaker 3>And at that point in time as trader, Kate was

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<v Speaker 3>one of my biggest enemies.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she was so on the hunting line and I

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<v Speaker 2>was scared of her, so I thought, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you can't beat them, join her man.

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<v Speaker 3>She was the best choice. Ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone wants to know. This is the most intrusive question,

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<v Speaker 1>only appropriate for when interviewing someone who's just won a

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<v Speaker 1>reality show. But what are you going to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the money? Did you read on Twitter last night? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you saw this is so funny. Someone wrote, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we're going to now have to watch Alex

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<v Speaker 1>go on overseas holidays and buy handbags now, And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, it's like, it's the weirdest thing I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard Anyone tweet like, oh, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Much gets set on the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>But the truth of it is, it's all going to

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<v Speaker 2>go to Tiff and my future life together really, so

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<v Speaker 2>they might not see much.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's all a process.

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<v Speaker 2>She obviously, you know, has to propose to me or

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<v Speaker 2>have a wedding, put a deposit down for a house

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<v Speaker 2>in maybe two years time, and then settle down and

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<v Speaker 2>have some kids, which would be great. So it's really

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<v Speaker 2>like a lifelong progression that you'll see the money.

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<v Speaker 3>Be spent on.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, no handbags and overseas holidays gratuitous and handbags. I

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, did you read that tweet?

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, No, I tend to have stayed off

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter and all of that just because I know it can.

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<v Speaker 3>Get quite cutthroat.

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<v Speaker 1>On there, and yes, probably for the best. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>need to ask just before you go. Something that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>gets asked is a question of what is something from

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, something that we didn't see that we

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<v Speaker 1>won't see. That's kind of like a behind the scene

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<v Speaker 1>secret from your time making the Traders.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean what you kind of didn't see, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>got a quick glimpse of it, didn't really was that the.

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<v Speaker 3>Entire time I was knitting a.

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<v Speaker 2>Scarf, So anytime I felt like anxious or just like

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<v Speaker 2>so buzzed, I would just start knitting, and I reckon,

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<v Speaker 2>I like started and restarted and restarted this scarf so

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<v Speaker 2>many times I reckon I needed.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the equivalent of like six thousand scars just in

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<v Speaker 3>the one scarf, because I pull it all apart, and

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<v Speaker 3>then I'd start the next day again and knit it again.

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<v Speaker 1>How big is this scarf? By the way, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>picturing you now, wrapped up from head to toe in

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<v Speaker 1>this look.

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<v Speaker 2>I only had so much wool, so it was only

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<v Speaker 2>like two bales worth of wool there. But I gave

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<v Speaker 2>it to my dog because I can't bring myself to

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<v Speaker 2>wear that scarf anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one thing that people don't know about a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these shows, though, is there's a lot of downtime

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<v Speaker 1>where they can't miss you talking to other people, so

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<v Speaker 1>they often will make the contestants sit apart and have

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<v Speaker 1>to do things. You know, I've heard crocheting's really popular

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<v Speaker 1>in between takes, so all of that sort of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is quite interesting. Is that kind of what happens when

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<v Speaker 1>you're making the traders is that they can't have you

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<v Speaker 1>colluding without the cameras being there, so they sort of

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<v Speaker 1>isolate you to knit and crochet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, can't ging away the magic of TV, but I

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<v Speaker 2>will say I spent a lot of time knitting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, make congratulations on winning the show. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic season. Do we know if there's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>act So that's a good question. Do we know? Have

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<v Speaker 1>they announced there's going to be a season two?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm not sure, but something you might have to

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<v Speaker 2>stay tuned for.

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<v Speaker 1>You're giving nothing away. They obviously haven't given you the

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<v Speaker 1>money yet, so you're just like, I've got to I

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<v Speaker 1>have to really look after this to make sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>I get the cash in the bank account. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>anything that you'd want to see different? Actually, if the

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<v Speaker 1>show comes back, is there a twist that you think

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<v Speaker 1>would work well on the show?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a lot of master minds behind the show,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm sure whatever they will do next will be

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<v Speaker 2>magnificent and better than the first season.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm pretty damn happy with the first season. I

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<v Speaker 3>reckon it panned out pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>It was amazing. It was amazing. Well, Alex, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for joining us today and chatting about the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Good luck with the wedding and the babies. And all

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<v Speaker 1>of that, and we'll be in your audience. Maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see you somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you,