Speaker 1: Just that concept of being confident enough and feeling I
Speaker 1: guess safe enough to really live how you want to
Speaker 1: live and to do the things in life that really
Speaker 1: genuinely matter to you, rather than sort of falling into
Speaker 1: that expectation of what others might have for you.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Rise and Conquered Podcast. I'm your
Speaker 2: host Georgie Stevenson, former lawyer turned entrepreneur, social media personality
Speaker 2: and personal development junkie. This podcast is for my girl
Speaker 2: gang who want to feed their mind with positive and
Speaker 2: expansive thoughts to help them step into their power and
Speaker 2: live their most authentic life, which had a variety of
Speaker 2: topics including my set, business, relationships, health, and so much more. Basically,
Speaker 2: wherever you are on your journey, I want to help
Speaker 2: you feel inspired and empowered to rise up and conquer
Speaker 2: your next bold move. I know that's going to look
Speaker 2: different for everyone, but just no, I'm right here by
Speaker 2: your side and that you have the RNC community behind you.
Speaker 3: Let's do this.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. Today.
Speaker 2: I am joined by life purpose coach Misty Sansum. Misty
Speaker 2: is a life coach that helps people discover exactly what
Speaker 2: their purpose is and what they were put.
Speaker 3: On this earth to do.
Speaker 2: Deep I know, but I know this is definitely something
Speaker 2: that a lot of you are interested in. So in
Speaker 2: today's chat, I talked to Missy about how she became
Speaker 2: a life coach and the steps involved with that. So
Speaker 2: we chat about spirituality, Misty's journey with it, also finding
Speaker 2: your purpose, different ways your purpose can show up in
Speaker 2: your life, and also what was a pivotal turning point
Speaker 2: in Misty's journey of discovering her purpose. Misty is honestly
Speaker 2: such a wealth of knowledge and she was so much
Speaker 2: fun to talk to. I think you guys are really
Speaker 2: going to enjoy this chat. Let's get straight into it. Misty,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcasts.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited
Speaker 1: to be here.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited because you are a life purpose coach
Speaker 2: and that's like really niche. That's like a really sort
Speaker 2: of specific person. But I think it's so warranted and
Speaker 2: it's also very special. I would love for you to
Speaker 2: tell the audience. Obviously I've just given away a lot there,
Speaker 2: but just who you are and what you do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: As you said, I'm a life purpose coach and I'm
Speaker 1: also a mum and a business owner based in New Zealand,
Speaker 1: and I just absolutely love obviously helping people figure out
Speaker 1: what it is they are really truly meant to do
Speaker 1: in life and help them to create a plan of
Speaker 1: how to make it happen and bring it to life.
Speaker 1: So that's just that's something that I feel so incredibly
Speaker 1: passionate about, and I get really excited seeing people uncover
Speaker 1: that for themselves and sort of have that inside of
Speaker 1: like this is who I am, this is what my
Speaker 1: purpose is, and this is what I'm here to do.
Speaker 3: It's really exciting.
Speaker 2: I love that and definitely is someone who used to
Speaker 2: be on a completely different path. So I actually used
Speaker 2: to be a lawyer and did my law degree and
Speaker 2: became a family lawyer, and you know, really kind of
Speaker 2: did that for external validation and outside reasons. And then
Speaker 2: when I really kind of honed in on my intuition
Speaker 2: and started listening to you know, my true north, I
Speaker 2: guess I realized that I wasn't doing my life purpose
Speaker 2: and so I had a huge sort of shift and
Speaker 2: now I really feel like I'm like, you know, living
Speaker 2: out my dama I'm really in that purpose and it
Speaker 2: just creates so much joy and happyeness for me personally
Speaker 2: and just like contentment. So I absolutely love that you
Speaker 2: explore this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, that's such a good point that
Speaker 1: you raise it. I mean, your story, So I know
Speaker 1: so many people will relate to that, and there's probably
Speaker 1: a lot of people listening who are kind of in
Speaker 1: that in between stage where they're in a situation, they're
Speaker 1: not feeling completely aligned to it and they kind of
Speaker 1: know deep down that it's not really who they are
Speaker 1: and sort of what they're meant to be doing.
Speaker 3: And it's a scary place to be.
Speaker 1: It takes a huge amount of courage to make that shift,
Speaker 1: so you know, like a power to you. That's an
Speaker 1: incredible thing to believe in yourself so much and to
Speaker 1: be so certain of what it is you meant to
Speaker 1: do that you make those big changes, because they are
Speaker 1: big changes, and it's hard to go against people's expectations
Speaker 1: of you and what they expect for your life. That's difficult.
Speaker 1: It's not an easy process to go through. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I love hearing that.
Speaker 2: It's great, thank you, And so I really want to
Speaker 2: get into the whole life purpose and really you know
Speaker 2: the process that you go through with your clients. But
Speaker 2: before we do that, I just got a couple of
Speaker 2: questions for you, because this is actually something I personally
Speaker 2: get asked a lot and I think people are quite
Speaker 2: interested in. So I'm actually a life coach myself. I
Speaker 2: don't practice, but it's something I wanted to do, just.
Speaker 1: You know, for me, I guess. And so my.
Speaker 2: Question to you is, how did you become a life coach?
Speaker 2: And you know, if someone wants to pursue that, like,
Speaker 2: how do they do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really interesting question and probably have a
Speaker 1: similar start to you. And that It wasn't something that
Speaker 1: I initially expected to step into right from day one.
Speaker 1: It came about as a natural extension of this framework
Speaker 1: that I had developed for uncovering purpose. And it was
Speaker 1: sort of based on my experience of understanding what my
Speaker 1: own purpose was and then sort of going back and
Speaker 1: looking at, you know, if I knew what I knew
Speaker 1: now back then, what would have made it easier and
Speaker 1: what would have been really helpful and what were those
Speaker 1: really key points and insights and understandings that I needed
Speaker 1: to have. And I started to build this framework and
Speaker 1: this process, like a very simple, step by step process
Speaker 1: of how a person could uncover their purpose and what
Speaker 1: they would look like. And I'd explored it with friends
Speaker 1: and different people that I had met that was sort
Speaker 1: of interested in this, and I found that over you know,
Speaker 1: sort of a period of a few months, I was
Speaker 1: able to refine it to something that really worked for everyone.
Speaker 1: It really took people through essentially the same process, and
Speaker 1: it didn't matter what their background was, where they were from,
Speaker 1: what they were doing now, because they're such fundamental you know,
Speaker 1: human values and interests and questions and things that we
Speaker 1: need to know about ourselves. We all have those in common.
Speaker 1: So it meant that this process was able to be
Speaker 1: sort of given to essentially anyone and help them through
Speaker 1: that process. So I had developed this and created an
Speaker 1: ebook around it so that people could sort of take
Speaker 1: themselves through the process, which.
Speaker 3: I still have a vail now.
Speaker 1: And from that I started getting approached about coaching and
Speaker 1: you know, like can you help me through this, and
Speaker 1: can you talk me through this?
Speaker 3: And can we work together and stuff, So the.
Speaker 1: Coaching side that really grew from that. So that need, yeah,
Speaker 1: and again just a very natural extension I think of
Speaker 1: what I was already doing. And I find a lot
Speaker 1: of coaches I know experience the same kind of thing
Speaker 1: once they officially.
Speaker 3: Step into coaching.
Speaker 1: There's always a moment where you look back and in
Speaker 1: hindsight you realize that you've kind of been doing this
Speaker 1: your whole life in different forms. You know, like you're
Speaker 1: sort of you've probably always been the person that your
Speaker 1: friends have gone to for advice, and you find, you know,
Speaker 1: when somebody has an issue, you kind of suddenly have
Speaker 1: all these insights of like how you can talk it
Speaker 1: through and you know, have you thought about this? And
Speaker 1: have you thought about that? So I think it's it's
Speaker 1: such an interesting role to play in that. I think
Speaker 1: for you know, everyone essentially who is really in that role, yeah,
Speaker 1: has in some ways more or less been doing it
Speaker 1: their whole lives.
Speaker 3: So it's quite interesting.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. I'm definitely like that friend that
Speaker 2: people call in a hard situation or they have an
Speaker 2: issue and we will just talk through it all. And yeah,
Speaker 2: kind of like that advice friend, I guess, and I'm
Speaker 2: much the same. I was like even with this podcast,
Speaker 2: you know, I even have a segment which is like
Speaker 2: advice with g and Yeah, it very much just feels
Speaker 2: like I'm talking to friends, I'm giving out advice, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've been doing this my whole life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is so good.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just when you're so naturally inclined to it and
Speaker 1: when it feels really easy to you, that's just such
Speaker 1: a good sign that that's a role all that, you know,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to, you could play really really well.
Speaker 2: M So I want to chat to you about spirituality
Speaker 2: because this is something that I know you're you're very
Speaker 2: open about and I love the quote on your website
Speaker 2: that says we are spiritual by default. It's not about
Speaker 2: turning spiritual, it's about connecting on that level. And I
Speaker 2: think sometimes it can kind of be I don't want
Speaker 2: to say, like taboo, but you know, spiritual people are
Speaker 2: like woo woo people and it's almost like a negative
Speaker 2: almost like a negative sort of attachment. And I know myself,
Speaker 2: because I grew up in a family who aren't spiritual,
Speaker 2: that it's like, oh, you know that person is spiritual.
Speaker 2: But I absolutely love that you completely own that part
Speaker 2: of you and I've really had a journey with my spirituality. Sorry,
Speaker 2: that was a HECKU, can you talk to us about,
Speaker 2: you know, your journey with spirituality and how you tune
Speaker 2: into your spirituality.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I love this conversation. So that that line about,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone knows that quote we're not human beings
Speaker 1: having a spiritual experience, where spiritual beings having a human experience,
Speaker 1: and that is just so absolutely true. We are we
Speaker 1: are spiritual beings by default. Therefore we're already spiritual by default.
Speaker 1: So exploring spirituality isn't becoming isn't about becoming spiritual, because
Speaker 1: you don't need to become something that you already are.
Speaker 3: It's simply about.
Speaker 1: Understanding and connecting with it in a way that it
Speaker 1: becomes something genuinely tangible and useful and helpful as you
Speaker 1: go through life. And so right, you know, so much
Speaker 1: of spirituality is a bit kind of airy fairy, and
Speaker 1: it's very very esoteric, and yeah, very very woo woo.
Speaker 1: And and that's and it's interesting, and I know that
Speaker 1: puts a lot of people off when when you look
Speaker 1: at what spirituality is at just a very fundamental and
Speaker 1: simple level and kind of strip all of the you know,
Speaker 1: strip all the crystals away and strip all the like
Speaker 1: all of these kind of different things away and.
Speaker 3: Just look at what it is.
Speaker 1: It's just it's again, it's such a fundamental part of
Speaker 1: being a human. It's it's the intangible layer of the
Speaker 1: world that we can't obviously sort of see physically or
Speaker 1: really interact with physically, but we can do it intuitively
Speaker 1: or we can do it spiritually. So it's it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting it's an interesting topic. And I actually
Speaker 1: really love having spiritual conversations with people who don't consider
Speaker 1: themselves to be spiritual because there's no one way to
Speaker 1: be spiritual. There's no one way to tune in. Spirituality
Speaker 1: doesn't need to look a certain way like however you
Speaker 1: look now is how spirituality looks. And you know, whatever
Speaker 1: you do on a daily basis to just feel you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit at peace or a little bit sort
Speaker 1: of connected or a little bit grounded, which can be
Speaker 1: anything from you know, going for a stim in the ocean,
Speaker 1: or going for a run, or playing with your kids
Speaker 1: or just you know, going for a walk. Those can
Speaker 1: all be spiritual practices. It doesn't have to be something
Speaker 1: that you know, we see all over Instagram, for example.
Speaker 2: I love the way that you explain that because it's
Speaker 2: even like I was having a conversation with a friend
Speaker 2: the other day and we were chatting about like intuition,
Speaker 2: and she was kind of explaining, Oh, I don't really
Speaker 2: have intuition, and you know, how can I get more
Speaker 2: intuition and kind of going on, and I spoke to
Speaker 2: her and I was like, we all already have intuition.
Speaker 2: It's whether we can tap into it. Like it's already there.
Speaker 2: It's whether you like make the choice to tap into it. Like,
Speaker 2: don't get it wrong, it's not like something you gain.
Speaker 2: It's already there. And I love that you kind of
Speaker 2: explained that about spirituality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that is so true. And you know with
Speaker 1: intuition again, you're totally right it is. It is absolutely
Speaker 1: already there. And often it's just a case of us
Speaker 1: not hearing it or sort of not listening for it.
Speaker 3: You know, most of us would.
Speaker 1: Would have had some experience in our life where we've
Speaker 1: been hit with this really unexplainable and sudden insight of
Speaker 1: you know, often it's related to safety, like it's sort
Speaker 1: of the sudden inside of like don't pull out right now,
Speaker 1: and then you know, if you're in your car and
Speaker 1: it's sort of and then suddenly someone zooms across you
Speaker 1: on the road, or you know, just those kinds of
Speaker 1: things that you get this really intense insight or you
Speaker 1: get this like really strong feeling that something's going to happen,
Speaker 1: or you're going to run into something, or someone's going
Speaker 1: to call you, or whatever it might be. And those
Speaker 1: are examples of intuition. Those are examples of you know,
Speaker 1: receiving a message from that kind of intangible layer. And
Speaker 1: quite often it's really interesting because again, everyone that I've
Speaker 1: ever had a sort of deep and meaningful conversation about
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff where has had an experience like that,
Speaker 1: But so often they have that experience and then kind
Speaker 1: of close it down and it just becomes that one
Speaker 1: weird thing that they experience that one time that they
Speaker 1: can't really explain and it's sort of a bit like strange,
Speaker 1: and there's almost a little bit of fear around it.
Speaker 1: And so that I find that really interesting as opposed
Speaker 1: to having that experience and then being really curious about
Speaker 1: it and kind of starting to think about like what
Speaker 1: was that and how how did that kind of cut
Speaker 1: through and how did I pick that up? And you
Speaker 1: know why was that coming and all of these things,
Speaker 1: And when you start kind of picking into all of
Speaker 1: these questions, that's when you get to the real sort
Speaker 1: of fundamentals that we were talking about earlier of like
Speaker 1: this is this is very normal. This is something that
Speaker 1: we have access to all of the time. It's always there.
Speaker 1: It's something we can tap into at any time. We
Speaker 1: don't have to be anyone special, we don't have to
Speaker 1: do anything special. It's just there, and it's a matter
Speaker 1: of yeah, really sort of taking the time to learn
Speaker 1: how to tune in and to listen out for it.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. And like you said, I think
Speaker 2: it really looks different on everyone. So, yeah, being spiritual
Speaker 2: listening to intuition doesn't mean you know, you're getting your
Speaker 2: crystals out on the full moon or yeah, like casting
Speaker 2: spells or you know, different stuff like that. It really
Speaker 2: looks so different to everyone. And I think, yeah, when
Speaker 2: we take the stigma away from it and it's like
Speaker 2: we're all spiritual beings, this is how we're meant to be.
Speaker 2: It's not weird, it's not we' wou it can really
Speaker 2: be a positive thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Absolutely, it's such a positive thing. The way that
Speaker 1: the way that I usually describe it to people, I
Speaker 1: sort of like to give this visual to help it
Speaker 1: explain it. So, if you picture yourself as having three layers,
Speaker 1: so you've got you know, your physical self, and which
Speaker 1: is also sort of your identity kind of ego self.
Speaker 1: So this is the layer that is you, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm misty, I'm a mum, I'm a coach, I'm a
Speaker 1: business owner, and all of these things like the very
Speaker 1: human kind of part of me. And then if we
Speaker 1: sort of go out a little bit, we have the
Speaker 1: soul or the higher self layer, which is like the
Speaker 1: spiritual being, the spiritual essence of us. And then finally,
Speaker 1: if we go out a little bit further, we have
Speaker 1: the universe or the Source or God or whatever you
Speaker 1: feel comfortable calling it. So I would usually say the
Speaker 1: universe or the Source, just that essence that connects everyone
Speaker 1: and everything. And with spirituality, what we're trying to do
Speaker 1: is tune into that second layer, sort of our higher
Speaker 1: self or our soul or our spiritual being, and then
Speaker 1: from their tune into that out highest layer, like the
Speaker 1: Source or the spirit of everything. And in all honesty,
Speaker 1: doing that is actually really really straightforward.
Speaker 3: But the part that is difficult is.
Speaker 1: Getting past the self, like getting past that physical kind
Speaker 1: of ego identity. Absolutely it throws out self doubt and skepticism,
Speaker 1: and also just this ongoing chatter of very human based
Speaker 1: life stuff like what have I got to do today?
Speaker 1: And I've got to do this, and I have to
Speaker 1: think about that, and this person's doing this, and I'm
Speaker 1: doing this next week, you know, all of that kind
Speaker 1: of constant monologue. So with all of those things going on,
Speaker 1: it's hard to tune into those two higher levels. And
Speaker 1: so what we're really doing when we talk about tuning in,
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do is basically quiet in our
Speaker 1: mind or just kind of put it to the side
Speaker 1: for the moment, just long enough to allow us to
Speaker 1: connect to those higher levels. And then once we're connected,
Speaker 1: I always use a really simple meditation, just a very
Speaker 1: kind of calming and visual meditation that gives my sort
Speaker 1: of ego mind identity minds something to focus on. And
Speaker 1: then from there. And I know this is going to
Speaker 1: sound overly simple, and it might not make it a
Speaker 1: sense until you've experienced it firsthand, but it's simply forming
Speaker 1: the connection in your mind and then opening up to
Speaker 1: share or receive messages and questions and guidance and things
Speaker 1: like that. So that's it basically. And then with you
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about before, with crystals and sort
Speaker 1: of all of these different things, you can absolutely use
Speaker 1: them if you want to go for your life, Like
Speaker 1: you don't need to, there's nothing that you need to
Speaker 1: make that connection and tune in, but those kind of
Speaker 1: tools can be helpful, especially when you're starting out, if
Speaker 1: you want to use them to focus your mind. But
Speaker 1: I always, I always want to kind of put across
Speaker 1: to people that you know, the crystal itself, that's not
Speaker 1: the magical part of the equation, Like you are the
Speaker 1: one that has that power. The crystal doesn't have a power.
Speaker 1: That's if we can think about that as more of
Speaker 1: a prop to get our mind really focused and really
Speaker 1: centered on whatever it is that you're using. So if
Speaker 1: you're using a crystal with certain properties or you know,
Speaker 1: sort of kind of attributes to it, then what you're
Speaker 1: essentially doing is using that as a prop and you're
Speaker 1: getting your mind to kind of focus on those attributes
Speaker 1: or focus on those different properties, and that's that's where
Speaker 1: the connection is really happening.
Speaker 2: I love that you explained that so well, and I
Speaker 2: think I love what you said too, like for much
Speaker 2: stripping it back and like it's not like you need
Speaker 2: to have a meditation app or you know, sage or crystals.
Speaker 2: You can literally sit there, like you said, do a
Speaker 2: very simple meditation in your head and really get in
Speaker 2: touch with, you know, that higher self. And I think
Speaker 2: for me personally, like how I tap into my intuition
Speaker 2: and my spiritual side when I'm feeling out of alignment
Speaker 2: is yeah, just those really simple acts. And it's funny
Speaker 2: because people ask me and I'll be like, yeah, well
Speaker 2: it's stuff like meditation, going for a beach walk, going
Speaker 2: for an ocean swim, you know, laying in the sun
Speaker 2: and these like really simple things. And it's like people
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, it must be you know, more difficult,
Speaker 2: and they try and complicate it, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: that's really how it is. Y, Yeah, you're so right,
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: It's really funny. I think as humans like to overly
Speaker 1: complicate things, like you know, sometimes if something feels or
Speaker 1: sounds a bit complex, then to have a really simple explanation,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like no, no, no, no, it has
Speaker 1: to be more than that, like you know, you must
Speaker 1: need like twenty things in like two hours. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting, and you know, as we've said before, it
Speaker 1: looks different for everyone as well. It's something that you know,
Speaker 1: there are so many different ways that.
Speaker 3: You can tune in.
Speaker 1: And part of what I really like helping people with
Speaker 1: is understanding their own natural abilities and their own sort
Speaker 1: of natural traits in terms of what does come easy
Speaker 1: for them. So this relates to intuition as well. It
Speaker 1: relates to that tuning in and that sort of communication.
Speaker 1: Some people find it really easy to hear messages and
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of just sort of hear it
Speaker 1: in your mind almost spoken. Other people might see things,
Speaker 1: they might get sort of a visual image and then
Speaker 1: sort of understand what it is, or even see a
Speaker 1: scene playing out in their mind. Other people get a
Speaker 1: physical feeling, and that for them is a really clear
Speaker 1: indication that that might be like a yes or a
Speaker 1: no or whatever it is. And then other people often
Speaker 1: just have this deep innate sense of knowing, like it's
Speaker 1: just just a certainty that is concrete and absolute, and
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, I know that with all of my soul,
Speaker 1: I guess, and you might have a mix of some
Speaker 1: of those as well, so it's really interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: leaning into or uncovering and leaning into your own personal
Speaker 1: strengths and it makes the whole process a lot easier
Speaker 1: when you're aware of that as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love that you touched on that, and I
Speaker 2: think it's also like you said, you're not going to
Speaker 2: know until you try, and that's even like for me,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely in regards to intuition, I just almost have
Speaker 2: this sense of knowing. So I've just got this like
Speaker 2: gut feeling, you know, Like let's say I'm at work,
Speaker 2: I'm talking to our marketing manager and she says, do
Speaker 2: you want to do this? And it's kind of like
Speaker 2: an instant yes or no, Like I just have this knowing.
Speaker 2: And then also something I find quite easy to tap
Speaker 2: into is I can journal stuff and almost like free
Speaker 2: right the answer. It's very odd.
Speaker 1: I love that. So that's exactly what I do as well.
Speaker 1: I love automatic writing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I'm talking to myself, but it's like
Speaker 2: I'm answering my own question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's absolutely and it's so interesting, you know, with
Speaker 1: the process of automatic writing and when you're talking about
Speaker 1: just that sense of knowing. Often often it's something that
Speaker 1: you didn't really want to hear, like, you know, So
Speaker 1: a question that comes up a lot is how do
Speaker 1: I know if it's my imagination or my intuition. And
Speaker 1: when if it's your imagination, it's usually you're kind of
Speaker 1: searching for something and it's a story that you've been
Speaker 1: telling yourself and you're kind of pulling it. You're sort
Speaker 1: of pulling it out and filling all these details in
Speaker 1: your head, whereas with intuition, it's just this, it's like
Speaker 1: a thought that you didn't think and you kind of
Speaker 1: have no attachment to it even it's.
Speaker 3: Just like, yeah, this is this is, this is what it.
Speaker 1: Is, and there's no kind of you can't unknow it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting, an interesting feeling.
Speaker 2: And for me too, it's often quite unlogical. So when
Speaker 2: I'm like, logically, I know I should do this or
Speaker 2: this is the answer, but not logically this is how
Speaker 2: I feel.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, And you know, even like you say, even
Speaker 1: if it's not logical at the time, you know that
Speaker 1: it is going to make sense further down the track,
Speaker 1: like something will have been or something will come up
Speaker 1: that you'll kind of go ah, right, like, this is
Speaker 1: you know, this is why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of it's making a bit more sense
Speaker 2: now and that's like, well, I guess let's start talking
Speaker 2: about finding your purpose. So this is you know, this
Speaker 2: is what you do. And I absolutely love this for
Speaker 2: you know, the reasons I was chatting to you at
Speaker 2: the start. And I really feel like my life is
Speaker 2: so much more fulfilling now that I've really you know,
Speaker 2: found my purpose and my purpose, like if I explain
Speaker 2: it in one sentence, is female empowerment and letting, you know,
Speaker 2: empowering other people to go after what they want and
Speaker 2: just you know, to feel worthy enough to go after
Speaker 2: what they want. And it's really been a journey for me.
Speaker 2: But like I said, it's kind of been like lots
Speaker 2: of these intuition steps. But something I do talk about
Speaker 2: on this podcast is like, your purpose isn't always going
Speaker 2: to be your job. And I think some people kind
Speaker 2: of get a little bit lost in this and you're
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, well, I've got to start, you know,
Speaker 2: a side hustle. You know. Let's say they love art
Speaker 2: and they love paining. They're like, oh, I've got to
Speaker 2: make money from it. But it's I'm such a big
Speaker 2: believer that that's not always, you know, the right way.
Speaker 2: And I really loved your posts where you spoke about
Speaker 2: So you have this quote on Instagram that says three
Speaker 2: things you need to know about your life purpose. One
Speaker 2: your passions are not your purpose. Two you don't have
Speaker 2: to quit your day job. Three you don't have to
Speaker 2: save the world. And then you said find your purpose,
Speaker 2: design your life, and inspire inspire others to do the same.
Speaker 2: And I just absolutely love that because I think sometimes
Speaker 2: we can get a bit lost that it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I've got to make my you know, side hustle my
Speaker 2: main job, and I've got to make my hobby to
Speaker 2: make money and all these different things. So can you
Speaker 2: explain to us a little bit about you know, this concept.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, And you're right, there's so much pressure I
Speaker 1: think on purpose and passions and hobbies and everything that.
Speaker 1: You know, once we've found something that we're good at
Speaker 1: and we enjoy it, monetize it, and I just I'm
Speaker 1: the same. I'm just like, no, no, no, there's there's
Speaker 1: no reason that you have to do that. You can
Speaker 1: just we're allowed to just enjoy things. We're allowed to
Speaker 1: just do things for fun and just for the you know,
Speaker 1: pure pleasure, pleasure and enjoyment of it. Not everything has.
Speaker 3: To be hustled.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you have something that you are really
Speaker 1: passionate about and you do want to turn it into
Speaker 1: a business or a career or whatever, that might be amazing.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's just about making sure that you're
Speaker 1: doing it for the right reasons and that you've got
Speaker 1: sort of a really clear understanding of what it is
Speaker 1: you're doing and why. So, yeah, going back to you know,
Speaker 1: passions and not your purpose, this is something that so
Speaker 1: many people sort of get caught up, and this is
Speaker 1: something that tripped me up so many times. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've all heard the advice about, you know, follow your
Speaker 1: passions and life will be amazing and all of those
Speaker 1: kinds of things. Just follow your passions, life will be incredible.
Speaker 1: But what happens when we follow our passions is we're
Speaker 1: following something that we are really interested in and that
Speaker 1: we might find really fun, but we haven't identified the
Speaker 1: underlying reason why, or the sort of underlying reason that's
Speaker 1: driving us toward that, which is more often than not,
Speaker 1: our purpose. And if what happens when you follow a
Speaker 1: passion rather than your purpose is you're following just one.
Speaker 3: Tiny kind of hint, like one tiny kind.
Speaker 1: Of interpretation of your purpose, and it can be so
Speaker 1: far removed from what your purpose actually is. And then
Speaker 1: what happens is you get to this point where, again,
Speaker 1: as I did so many times, you get to this
Speaker 1: point where you kind of realize, you know what, I
Speaker 1: followed the thing that I was interested in. I followed
Speaker 1: the thing that I loved. I've got here and it
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel right. It still feels like something's missing.
Speaker 1: And so often in that situation, we'll go back to
Speaker 1: square one and we'll think, you know what, I'm really
Speaker 1: passionate about this, so I'll go down this path, and
Speaker 1: then the same thing happens over and over again, and
Speaker 1: that's again, you know, it's a really tough place to
Speaker 1: be in because it's it's disheartening when when you're you know,
Speaker 1: backing yourself and you're taking a risk and then not
Speaker 1: quite landing where you're meant to be landing. So if
Speaker 1: we think think about our purpose as like this overatching
Speaker 1: theme of our life, it's something that is unchanging, and
Speaker 1: it's something that is usually really broad, which is a
Speaker 1: good thing. It's very very much tied to either helping
Speaker 1: other people in some way or other living beings, or
Speaker 1: the environment that we're in, which totally makes sense because
Speaker 1: when you strip away everything material in.
Speaker 3: The world, you know, what do we have left?
Speaker 1: Right? We have each other, and we have other living beings,
Speaker 1: and we have our environments. So it makes sense that
Speaker 1: your purpose is kind of for one of those three things,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be something that you feel really
Speaker 1: compelled to do or teach or share or create or
Speaker 1: build or give or you know, whatever it might be
Speaker 1: around one of those. And where our passions fit into
Speaker 1: that is that we can bring our life out, so
Speaker 1: we can bring our purpose to life through our passions.
Speaker 1: But the passions are not the purpose itself, So it's
Speaker 1: just one of the many ways that we could bring
Speaker 1: our purpose to life. So that's the really big difference.
Speaker 2: I love that you touched on that, and I like,
Speaker 2: hope I'm processing this right. So, for example, if my
Speaker 2: purpose is female empowerment, you know I've done that in
Speaker 2: a couple of ways of I have an all natural
Speaker 2: female focus our supplement business, where you know, I empower
Speaker 2: females through giving them an all natural you know, alternative
Speaker 2: with no nasties, just the good stuff. And then also
Speaker 2: I have this podcast where it's all about empowering females,
Speaker 2: you know, in a completely different way. But both passions
Speaker 2: are still within the overarching purpose.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah, absolutely. And then
Speaker 1: within you know, within those two things, you've probably built
Speaker 1: in a lot of other passions. You've probably we got
Speaker 1: lots of other passions that come through, like in terms
Speaker 1: of you know, business and sort of innovation, creativity, and
Speaker 1: even things like design. You know, I'm really passionate about design,
Speaker 1: and I love that that. It's it comes through in
Speaker 1: my business in such a simple way, just with you know,
Speaker 1: designing website stuff or like graphics or posts and things
Speaker 1: like that. So it's, yeah, you've absolutely nailed it. It's
Speaker 1: sort of you have this bigger, more broad purpose and
Speaker 1: then there are lots of different ways that you can
Speaker 1: bring it to life, and that's where your passions come
Speaker 1: into play.
Speaker 2: I love that, and I I'm very much a big
Speaker 2: advocate for having almost like a purpose statement kind of
Speaker 2: lack mine about female empowerment because it just it almost
Speaker 2: brings clarity to then your passions to make sure you
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Speaker 2: But for people who maybe are literally just completely like
Speaker 2: they have no idea what their purpose is, they have
Speaker 2: no idea where their passions are just you know, all
Speaker 2: over the place, what would your advice be for that person?
Speaker 1: Well, first off, I would just I would want to
Speaker 1: reassure them that every single person who has ever found
Speaker 1: their purpose has started from that exact point. So you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're just you're right at the start of the journey,
Speaker 1: which is exciting, and so you know you're, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: on the right path at that point, which is great.
Speaker 1: The framework that I mentioned earlier, I had turned it
Speaker 1: into an ebook and it's a step by step process.
Speaker 1: It's one that I still use with clients today, Like
Speaker 1: when I work one on one with people, we still
Speaker 1: go through that same process. For the first couple of years,
Speaker 1: that had a price attached to it, so it was
Speaker 1: thirty nine US dollars and last year I think it was,
Speaker 1: could have been actually been the year before. I shifted
Speaker 1: the price to pay what you can, and same with
Speaker 1: a spirituality course that I have that takes people through
Speaker 1: the absolute basics of spirituality. Like as an I have
Speaker 1: no idea what I'm doing here, I have no idea.
Speaker 3: What it's about.
Speaker 1: I just kind of want to get into it, taking
Speaker 1: them from that point to a point where they have
Speaker 1: a real genuine two way connection that they can get
Speaker 1: inside and guidance from. And same there, I shifted the
Speaker 1: price from one hundred and forty seven US to pay
Speaker 1: what you can. So you know, I've tried to take
Speaker 1: away as many barriers as I possibly can, because I
Speaker 1: genuinely believe that living on purpose and having that spiritual
Speaker 1: connection is so deeply important, especially as the world is
Speaker 1: kind of rapidly and drastically changing. It's important for us
Speaker 1: as individuals and how we live our lives, and that
Speaker 1: flows out into you know, our immediate family and our
Speaker 1: kids and the people that we sort of interact with
Speaker 1: on a day to day basis and further again. So
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's a place that you know, I
Speaker 1: would really encourage people to start with if they want, so,
Speaker 1: you know, feel free to jump on and grab that. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: there's lots of blog posts and I send out lots
Speaker 1: of newsleaders and things like that that can take them
Speaker 1: through that process if they want to just have a
Speaker 1: little hint of it first.
Speaker 2: Amazing, and I'll make sure I link that in the
Speaker 2: show notes. That's so lovely of you to do the
Speaker 2: pay as you go, especially I think with everything happening
Speaker 2: with COVID and stuff. It's just yeah, it's very thoughtful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in all honesty, it.
Speaker 1: Was a decision that was really cemented through automatic writing.
Speaker 1: It was a decision that really was you know, came
Speaker 1: from one of these sessions and where I was really
Speaker 1: kind of tuned in and connected and sort of yeah,
Speaker 1: going through these different scenarios about what will what I'm
Speaker 1: doing look like in the future and what stip should
Speaker 1: I take, And that was a really clear, a really
Speaker 1: clear missage of this is the next thing that you
Speaker 1: should do.
Speaker 3: And I was like, of course, of course I should,
Speaker 3: and I love that.
Speaker 2: And so Misty, you have a really beautiful post on
Speaker 2: Instagram and I resonated with this so much where you
Speaker 2: chatted about like everything that we need and also like
Speaker 2: I'm a huge, huge believe of this too. So you
Speaker 2: explained that everything that we need is already inside us,
Speaker 2: and once we let go of limiting beliefs, we can
Speaker 2: achieve anything we want. Could you just chat a little
Speaker 2: bit more about why you're a big believer of this?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's you know, I'm our mindset is everything like
Speaker 1: what we believe and think and what we will achieve
Speaker 1: in our life, you know, our potential, how far we
Speaker 1: think we can go, the things that we're good at
Speaker 1: is the only thing that really, the only thing that
Speaker 1: is holding us back is how we think about ourselves
Speaker 1: and what we believe. And if we're in a place
Speaker 1: where we aren't feeling confident, we don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of self belief, you know, we've sort of got issues
Speaker 1: around self worth or self esteem, then we are going
Speaker 1: to hang on to all of these things and all
Speaker 1: of these doubts, and we're just not going to be
Speaker 1: able to move forward. We're not going to be able
Speaker 1: to be as effective or go as far as we
Speaker 1: could if we could uncover, you know, really pick apart
Speaker 1: those beliefs that we're carrying. And so when you go
Speaker 1: through the process and you pick all of those apart,
Speaker 1: you suddenly realize that, yeah, you do. You have so
Speaker 1: much within you, you know, this resourcefulness and sort of
Speaker 1: confidence and ideas and innovation. It just kind of paus
Speaker 1: out of you and nothing physically changed, you know, like
Speaker 1: you had the potential for all of that in the
Speaker 1: first place. You already had that within you. It was
Speaker 1: just kind of all of these beliefs that we all
Speaker 1: hang onto different ones. Obviously, we've we've got different beliefs
Speaker 1: to kind of navigate and uncover, but that essential drive
Speaker 1: and motivation and inspiration is just setting there, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of ready to be unleashed and ready to kind
Speaker 1: of be brought to life. And of course we can
Speaker 1: get into things that are external and tangible, like we
Speaker 1: can kind of say, well, this person has more money,
Speaker 1: and this person, you know, might have better access to
Speaker 1: education and all of those kinds of things, which absolutely
Speaker 1: those things play a part. But when you can let
Speaker 1: go of all of those sort of different limiting beliefs
Speaker 1: and the mindset that is really holding us back, you're
Speaker 1: in a situation where you can go out and get
Speaker 1: or learn the things that we need. And that's going
Speaker 1: to look different for different people, but that potential, and
Speaker 1: like I said, that inspiration and that drive is in
Speaker 1: there already.
Speaker 2: I love it so much. It's really funny because I
Speaker 2: was actually talking to a girlfriend on the weekend and
Speaker 2: I do our six week self development course called the
Speaker 2: Rise and Concho Projack, where I basically take people through yeah,
Speaker 2: like limiting beliefs and get them in a better mindset
Speaker 2: to achieve goals basically. And I was talking to a
Speaker 2: girlfriend who did the last round of my course and
Speaker 2: she's like, she was just really not in a good
Speaker 2: mental space, really yeah, just really not good, very negative,
Speaker 2: lots of limiting beliefs in just like kind of like
Speaker 2: a you know, when someone's in like a weird headspace.
Speaker 2: And she explained, you know, she'd done the course. She
Speaker 2: really got into her limiting beliefs, and she's like, it's
Speaker 2: so funny because it's six weeks later and she's like,
Speaker 2: my physical reality nothing has changed, like it's pretty much
Speaker 2: the same, but she is a completely different person. And
Speaker 2: it's because she really, yeah, got into those limiting beliefs.
Speaker 2: She's unlocked a lot of her potential. And then what
Speaker 2: she realized is once she kind of you know, unblocked
Speaker 2: herself ideas were flowing in and she could see things
Speaker 2: a different way, and she could, yeah, like really get
Speaker 2: around things in a different way. And she literally was like,
Speaker 2: my life has changed. And I just thought it was
Speaker 2: so insane because it's literally just a mindset shift.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, it's incredible, And it kind of
Speaker 1: also touches on, you know, the concept that we're talking
Speaker 1: about earlier, being a spiritual being versus being a human being.
Speaker 1: When you make that sort of shift from I'm a
Speaker 1: human being trying to live up to I'm a spiritual
Speaker 1: being and I don't want to say living down because
Speaker 1: that kind of puts a strange connotation on it, but
Speaker 1: I'm a spiritual being kind of just living this human
Speaker 1: existence that I feel like that kind of subtle shift
Speaker 1: in perspective can also kind of help to leak goal
Speaker 1: of a lot.
Speaker 3: Of these things.
Speaker 1: You know, as you know, there's so many different ways
Speaker 1: to work through limiting below. But if we kind of
Speaker 1: almost have that a slight sense of detachment from the
Speaker 1: ego kind of identity stuff, and you kind of just
Speaker 1: separate it from you as the highest self, spiritual person,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like, oh, this is interesting that
Speaker 1: I'm feeling this, and it's not something that you take
Speaker 1: on board and hold as much when you're in a
Speaker 1: situation where you're really identifying with those limiting beliefs. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, it's exactly as you said, it's just
Speaker 1: a mindset shift. Nothing physical necessarily needs to change to
Speaker 1: have that happen.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's like I know, it's like almost like
Speaker 2: we're saying before, the spiritual stuff of like it can
Speaker 2: seem so simple but be so life changing, and like
Speaker 2: to some people it's almost like they can't comprehend or
Speaker 2: process that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it can be so simple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I mean I've absolutely experienced that
Speaker 1: as well, where you know, it's taken me years to
Speaker 1: and then it sort of eventually. Yeah, it's just this
Speaker 1: one simple concept that you might have heard, you know,
Speaker 1: several times over and then it suddenly just kind of
Speaker 1: clicks or you have an experience or something changes that you're.
Speaker 3: Just kind of like, ah, I get.
Speaker 1: It now, it makes so much sense. And yeah, it
Speaker 1: is very simple and you sort of have that different understanding,
Speaker 1: which is you know, again, like the funny thing about
Speaker 1: personal personal growth is that it's really it's never ending.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever point that you reach. It's
Speaker 1: just this kind of ongoing sort of exploration and as
Speaker 1: you live different experiences, different things come up. But I
Speaker 1: think it gets to a point where it becomes fun.
Speaker 1: Like it you know, it starts off and it's like
Speaker 1: very kind of like, oh gosh, this is awful, but
Speaker 1: it becomes interesting and kind of exciting.
Speaker 2: I think also when you take the like you said,
Speaker 2: when you take the pressure off it, and yeah, you
Speaker 2: don't see it as this like end destination where you're
Speaker 2: getting to your like higher self and reaching this like
Speaker 2: pinnacle point, and you just see it as you're constantly growing.
Speaker 2: You're constantly learning. There is going to be dips and
Speaker 2: highs and lows and that's okay and you accept that.
Speaker 2: And I think a huge thing for me and personal
Speaker 2: growth is just awareness, Like awareness is always the first
Speaker 2: step for me for changing anything mindset or anything like that,
Speaker 2: and just making sure I'm just always self evaluating and
Speaker 2: going from there.
Speaker 3: I love that. Yeah, yeah, perfect, that's exactly.
Speaker 2: Its So before we finish this, ap misty, do you
Speaker 2: want to touch on anything else with finding your purpose?
Speaker 1: I guess just kind of going back to that you know,
Speaker 1: bigger message that you absolutely have a purpose. You know,
Speaker 1: we all have something that we're meant to do in life,
Speaker 1: and it's something that is going to just feel once
Speaker 1: you find it, you will feel like this is it.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely on the right path. You know who you are,
Speaker 1: what you're here to do, and you can work out
Speaker 1: a really clear way of how you would like to
Speaker 1: bring it to life in a way that really suits you.
Speaker 1: So I just, yeah, I guess I just want to
Speaker 1: sort of reinforce and highlight that if anyone is kind
Speaker 1: of wondering and thinking like.
Speaker 3: Do I have a purpose? You absolutely do.
Speaker 2: I love that, and I think for me too, like
Speaker 2: when I think back on finding my purpose, which was
Speaker 2: really kind of this pivotal point of leaving my corporate
Speaker 2: job and really just taking this leap of faith, but
Speaker 2: it was really honing into my intuition. I was kind
Speaker 2: of saying before, like, logically it did not make sense
Speaker 2: to leave this great job after six years of study
Speaker 2: and you know, go off and see what happens. But
Speaker 2: intuitively I was just like, no, this is the thing
Speaker 2: I need to do and I need to trust this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I love that, And it takes a lot
Speaker 3: of courage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's also it is like
Speaker 2: with intuition and purpose. It's like having that courage and
Speaker 2: realizing that it doesn't always feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, yeah, absolutely it is. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's so many learning experiences that come from that process.
Speaker 1: There's so much that you will learn about yourself as
Speaker 1: you go through, and that applies to spirituality and personal growth.
Speaker 1: Like my philosophy to that is that they go hand
Speaker 1: in hand. You can't really have one without the other.
Speaker 1: And it's just yeah, the sort of you move forward
Speaker 1: a little bit in one area and then you sort
Speaker 1: of catch up in the other, and it's just this
Speaker 1: kind of just inching forward with each experience.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, Missy. You have been such
Speaker 2: a bloody legend and I appreciate you making the time
Speaker 2: to chat to the rn C fan. So as this is,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a bit of an inspirational podcast. I
Speaker 2: would love to ask you what is the best piece
Speaker 2: of advice that you have ever received?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do have one that it's not a it's
Speaker 1: not so much a concise sentence, but my parents were
Speaker 1: people who from a really young age really encouraged us
Speaker 1: to sort of challenge the status quo and not be
Speaker 1: afraid to do things differently. And you know, they would
Speaker 1: really sort of challenge the idea of like this is
Speaker 1: what you're meant to do in life and really encouraged
Speaker 1: us to be confident enough to think, actually, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want to do that, or like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe this is what I want to do instead. So
Speaker 1: I really love that. Like I said, there's no kind
Speaker 1: of concise sentence for it, but just that concept of
Speaker 1: being confident enough and feeling I guess safe enough to
Speaker 1: really live how you want to live and to do
Speaker 1: the things in life that really genuinely matter to you
Speaker 1: rather than sort of falling into that expectation of what
Speaker 1: others might have for you.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 2: I love that that is you have like you have
Speaker 2: incredible parents.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really yeah, really lucky because those are you know,
Speaker 1: there's a big thing to work, huge.
Speaker 2: And I think like that's such going against like going
Speaker 2: against the status quo is lack such a huge thing.
Speaker 2: Especially that was such a huge thing with me for
Speaker 2: finding my purpose. So yeah, I love that you touched
Speaker 2: on that. And so lastly, Misty where can everyone find you?
Speaker 1: My website would be the place to visit, so mistysansum
Speaker 1: dot com, which is is a infinale is o inf
Speaker 1: mum and you'll find all sorts of blog posts and
Speaker 1: free resources and as I mentioned, ebook and courses and
Speaker 1: things like that there as well.
Speaker 2: Amazing. Well, thank you so much for coming on the
Speaker 2: Rising Conker Podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. It's been so
Speaker 1: fun chatting. I've loved it.
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