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Speaker 1: Get a.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional

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Speaker 2: overshare us. This podcast is all about celebrating failure because

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Speaker 2: I believe it's a chance for us to learn, grow

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Speaker 2: and face our blind spots. Each week, all interview a

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Speaker 2: different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 2: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, today on the pod we have the wonderful Talitha Cummins. Now,

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Speaker 2: this episode felt like catching up with an old mate

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Speaker 2: because in fact I was catching up with an old mate.

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Speaker 1: Talitha and I have known.

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Speaker 2: Each other for the better part of a decade, but

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Speaker 2: we hadn't seen each other for years literally. So in

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Speaker 2: this episode we chat to the beautiful Talitha about changing careers.

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Speaker 2: So she had such a successful career as a journo

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Speaker 2: on seven News Sunrise, and she just had this passion

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Speaker 2: for jewelry. So she is now the founder of The

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Speaker 2: Cut Jewelry and she's so passionate about blab grown diamonds

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Speaker 2: and creating custom diamond jewelry for her clients. She's got

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Speaker 2: a beautiful bespoke boutique in Paddington and.

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Speaker 1: Sydney for the Cut, So if you're in SIDS, hit

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Speaker 1: her up check it out. Her stuff is incredible. It's

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Speaker 1: also I don't know if you know this about lab

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Speaker 1: grown diamonds, but they're.

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Speaker 2: Often a lot more affordable for the clarity and the

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Speaker 2: size that you're getting. So I deep dive with Talitha

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Speaker 2: all things lab grown diamonds. She answers all of my

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Speaker 2: lab grown diamonds questions, and please support her and the Cut.

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Speaker 2: She's wonderful. Talitha, thank you so much for jumping on

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Speaker 2: the pod. I'm so proud of you. Keep chasing those dreams.

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Speaker 1: Talitha Cummins, Thanks for jumping on the pod.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me so lovely to see.

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Speaker 4: It's been a while, been about ten years, which are

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Speaker 4: we calculated?

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Speaker 2: We just figured what our career and recent ish career change.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, how are you feeling?

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Speaker 4: I am feeling elated, exhilarated, overwhelmed. Yeah, slightly terrified as well.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good I reckon, that's a good

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Speaker 4: I think so because I think for the first time

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Speaker 4: in years and years and years and years probably ever

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Speaker 4: in my career, I'm just sort of going this is

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: Oh that passion passion, Yeah, I really love it. I'm

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Speaker 4: learning and I'm growing through that learning. I'm making mistakes

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Speaker 4: and I'm trying to be you know, chill about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think with my older.

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Speaker 4: Head on as well and starting something new, it's just

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Speaker 4: a different experience.

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Speaker 2: Yes, totally, totally. I'm so excited because my memory of

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Speaker 2: you is Channel seven, twenty years of Channel seven, and

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Speaker 2: like now to be sitting opposite you with a whole

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Speaker 2: different career that you're deep diving, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Just like, all right here, let's trap in get into that.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So you have had this incredible career as a journal

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Speaker 2: for twenty years, which that's my full memory of you,

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Speaker 2: by the way, that and beautiful flow athletic in Sydney.

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Speaker 1: What made you go?

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Speaker 2: I got a there's something, there's another little spark within

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Speaker 2: me that I have to honor what made you want

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Speaker 2: to which I'm so excited deep dive peer is the

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Speaker 2: cut jewelry. But I just want to know that moment

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Speaker 2: was like a moment for you.

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Speaker 4: There was not one moment. Look, I've been so lucky

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Speaker 4: I've met people in all different places, prime ministers, you know,

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Speaker 4: things like door knocks when someone had lost their son

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Speaker 4: So I had about six years between leaving TV and

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Speaker 4: my little son, was actually making some beaded bracelets because

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Speaker 4: Anyway, It sort of blew up because there was an

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Speaker 4: I mean this, like the bespoke of our business in

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Speaker 4: Victoria is going crazy. People don't want to buy things

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Speaker 4: doing that. So I really wasn't sold, to be honest,

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Speaker 4: And so my uncle said, well, why don't you go

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Speaker 4: I always worked, you know, two or three jobs because

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Speaker 4: So it was basically I went back to the GIA.

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Speaker 4: The Gemalogic Institute of a Marriage is the place to

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Speaker 4: And that was the point where I thought, wow, this

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Like I'm so excited to understand for

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Speaker 2: Can you explain the difference between a lab grown diamond

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Speaker 4: This is the biggest disrupted to the diamond industry since

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Speaker 4: and then and the whole there's been you know, the

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Speaker 3: It's one of the biggest carbon emitters.

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Speaker 4: Also the world diamonds also, you know a lot of

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Speaker 3: And lightness and happiness.

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Speaker 4: And I just felt that I couldn't put something in

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Speaker 3: So here we are.

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Speaker 2: Well, when we were just getting a producer to step

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Speaker 3: Right, that's right.

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Speaker 4: So my uncle has watched my uncle Craig, he's been

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Speaker 4: And he's also watched a lot of women agonize over

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Speaker 3: So it's a massive difference.

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Speaker 4: And the people that are coming to us now are saying,

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Speaker 4: this is exactly the same product. Like the younger generations

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Speaker 4: have completely up for it, they're completely sold on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because they have to buy a house, they're saving for

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Speaker 4: their wedding, they want to go on a honeymoon, as

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Speaker 4: well as having their wedding, and they don't want to

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Speaker 1: And how great because like I have had so much.

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Speaker 2: like they we're talking beautiful rings that you would not know.

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Speaker 4: No, like that was just it is exactly the same product,

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Speaker 3: So it is a really beautiful proposition.

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Speaker 2: Well that was I've never had a Duweler ever on

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: The whole process is amazing because we sit them down,

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Speaker 3: Because I'm getting I'm a journo, right. I like talking

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Speaker 4: I like understanding their stories and connecting and I just

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And that's the thing, Like with news you're selling tragedy, right,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's such a turnaround. Do you have a favorite piece

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Speaker 3: Ring, This pendant I really love. That's a two and

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Speaker 4: Come on, it was because I just, you know, it

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Speaker 2: I also think like being a journal to don't they

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Speaker 3: No one's telling me what hair I.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it feeds me.

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Speaker 4: Actually, I'm doing a I've just been with my jeweler

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Speaker 2: word for twenty twenty four is adapt Really?

445
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

446
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: That interesting? Okay, maybe.

447
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: You're already on the buddy. You're already on the buddy

448
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: there is that is so exciting. So how does it

449
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,719
Speaker 1: work with collections?

450
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 2: Do you just kind of like sit down with your

451
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 2: because I see you've got a couple of head jewelers.

452
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 4: I think, yes, yeah, and see my uncle and I've

453
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 4: got a jeweler locally here who I work with. So

454
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 4: we're just working out the process ourselves now, you know.

455
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 4: So we have been back and forth, and then he'll

456
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Speaker 4: send me what's called a cad of the design or

457
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 4: a like a like a visual of the design, and

458
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 4: I might say, oh, I like it with three diamonds,

459
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 4: or I like it with two, or but we've got

460
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 4: the essence of what we're going for and we make

461
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 4: adjustments there.

462
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: And so he just made some silk.

463
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 4: We just got a couple of the designs made in silver,

464
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 4: just to see what they look like. And so there

465
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 4: were five and we got rid of three and kept two.

466
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 4: So what's your process of elimination?

467
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Speaker 1: Do you love that part of it?

468
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 3: I love it.

469
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 4: I've never done this before and it's creative and it's

470
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 4: but and you also don't know, like I just think, well,

471
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 4: I hope someone likes one of these things, you know,

472
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 4: So you're putting yourself out there. But I'm ready for that.

473
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: I love it. Did you get any pushback?

474
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Speaker 2: So I'm in my I'm thirty eight now, I was

475
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: thirty one when I started acting. Training, and I've been

476
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: known as a wellness author, like for years. My whole

477
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: career from twenty two has been already have recipe books,

478
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 2: you know it. I think you've been in a few

479
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 2: of the launches over and I got a bit of

480
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: pushback and somebody said to me, well, you're over thirty five,

481
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: You're never going to make it as an actor. And

482
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: I remember that way you talk about that spark in

483
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: your heart, like that's what I feel when I'm acting

484
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: or working on a script or working with a director,

485
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: and I just think, oh, I can't really afford to

486
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: think like that. But did you get any pushback of

487
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 2: being like, hang on, You've got this great career, like

488
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: why change?

489
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh absolutely?

490
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

491
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 4: People were a bit like, oh, you sure that that's

492
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 4: something you want to do, you can do this, You

493
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 4: could keep going with yeah absolutely. But I think I

494
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 4: find those sorts of conversations quite have the opposite effect

495
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 4: on me. You know, ire you fire me up, ah,

496
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 4: prove people wrong, use it as fuel. Yeah, it sounds

497
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 4: a bit egotistical, but it's it's kind of that's what

498
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 4: I thrive on.

499
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: So for somebody listening that might be like, oh, like,

500
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: because you know, we sometimes play it safe and have

501
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: a job that is like really job to have and

502
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: it's safe and it brings in the money, all of

503
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But if you've got this little

504
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 2: yearning for there's a passion that's not being fulfilled, what

505
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: would your advice be to somebody that's like got this

506
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: little spark inside their heart but they're a bit scared

507
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: of maybe going after it.

508
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I just think we are here for one

509
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 4: lifetime as far as I know. I'm forty three, and

510
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 4: I've seen people working, you know, sort of every day

511
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 4: of their life, doing the same job.

512
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: I've witnessed it.

513
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 4: I've witnessed people in my family doing it, unhappy, not

514
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: wanting to do it, and I just think, no, life

515
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 4: is too short for that. And I understand people's everyone's

516
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 4: circumstances are different financially, But can you do a course?

517
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: Can you listen to podcasts?

518
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 4: Can you can you study online just to advance yourself

519
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 4: little by little and work towards your goal, Because I

520
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: tell you, after you do that, it's a really empowering experience.

521
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: I love that you said, like, do a course like

522
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: the way you would have gone in and studied, and

523
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: that is the think, because what that does, it's just

524
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: kind of like throwing petrol on the fire.

525
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, because you're.

526
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: Learning in a safe space, so it's not like you

527
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: need to have a full business plan ready to go.

528
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: You're just there to like be a sponge.

529
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: And I think that's like, no matter what that little

530
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: passion is, it could be photography, it could be definitely

531
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: a completely different degree to what you studied at UNI.

532
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: And if you're in that course and you've got that joy,

533
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: the way that you like that, I can see the

534
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: way you light up talking about yes, the cut.

535
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: Like I think that's the trick.

536
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, I love that you mentioned that, because that's

537
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: one thing like I kept up. I was still writing books,

538
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: but I was in acting school, yes, And I think

539
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: if you can keep fueling.

540
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 4: That definitely and growing and experiencing it and see if

541
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 4: it's fitting for you, do you like it? And you know,

542
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 4: you hear stories off and of mothers who have single

543
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 4: mothers who've raised their children and they studied nursing at

544
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 4: night and then went on to become a nurse. I

545
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 4: actually know mothers like that, and they're the sort of

546
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: people that inspire me, you know, I think that.

547
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: Have you heard the Harrison Ford story.

548
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: No, So he was like I think forty one when

549
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: he got his foot, like the Big Indiana Joe like

550
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: something like that, or late thirties or something. And he

551
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: was working as a carpenter by day, acting school, I

552
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: think acting school at night. But then because he was

553
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: a carpenter, he would got work. He was like, oh,

554
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: can I just work on sets and build sets? And

555
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: so he'd be building film sets just to be amongst it,

556
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: even though he was like a chippy by trade.

557
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 3: Is you know what I mean? I love I love

558
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: hearing those stories.

559
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: Being around the thing that inspires you. Yeah, it sounds

560
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: like that's what you've done. There's something very resilient and

561
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 2: fearless about you, though. I feel like they're hallmarks of

562
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: your character.

563
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: Would you agree, yes?

564
00:27:59,119 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 3: Fearless?

565
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: No, because I think I shited myself a lot of

566
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: the time, you know, like I have my moments, that's

567
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 4: for sure. In fact, a year ago today, so every

568
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 4: Christmas I go, we go to my cousin's place, Paula,

569
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 4: and she's like a sister to me in Victoria, and

570
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: we sit on her couch and have conversations. And so

571
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 4: this year I was sitting on the couch and recalling

572
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 4: back to a year prior, and she said, do you

573
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: remember this time last year? And I said, yes, you

574
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 4: were talking me into being able to do this, and

575
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: I was seriously in doubt and not going to do it,

576
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 4: really done a lot of the study, and I said,

577
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: I just don't think I can anyone will buy a

578
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: diamond off me or anyone why would they be interested

579
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: in me?

580
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: And how can I do this?

581
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: And I've got to do this and this, and you know,

582
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: so I had a real, a real moment, like a

583
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 4: real few weeks where I just thought, no, I can't

584
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: do this. And then I sat on the couch a

585
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 4: year later and reflecting back on the year that I'd had.

586
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: I'd launched the business, I'd done the rest of the study.

587
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: We you know, launched the break and websites all those

588
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 4: sorts of things, and most importantly sold rings and sold

589
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: jewelry and it was going really well.

590
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: So you can really achieve a.

591
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: Lot in a year, but it's not all easy, you know,

592
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: and you're not going to feel amazing the whole time

593
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 4: or feel like, yeah, I've got this the whole time.

594
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: Like even a couple of days ago. I just woke up.

595
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: You know, you wake up some days and you just think, oh,

596
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 4: I just feel really average today, and I thought, I

597
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: don't know if I can do this again. You know,

598
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: that same kind of feeling came back. But on those days,

599
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 4: it's just putting one foot in front of the other.

600
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: What do I need to do.

601
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: I need to exercise, okay, let's do that. I need

602
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: to eat well. I don't need to binge eat a

603
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: block of chocolate on the couch after dinner. You know,

604
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 4: all do all the little things that make you feel good.

605
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: I'm glad you shared that though, because I do think

606
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: like self doubt comes when we like it just taps

607
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: you on the shoulder when you're in a good mode

608
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: as well. Some and you can be like yeah, and

609
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: you can be like, oh I've had especially living in

610
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: our I'm like, oh yeah, acting school boom, audition off boom,

611
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: and you're kind of in it, and then you're like,

612
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: oh shit, like there's five other auditions that I've never

613
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: heard a response from, and you're kind of like, well,

614
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: maybe I'm crap. Definite, definitely, I imagine especially you. Yes,

615
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: it's a business, but it's also like there's creativity involved,

616
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: and you're part of that creative process too, And so

617
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: I think when there's creativity involved, your heart's intertwined with it.

618
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: Absolutely it is. Yeah, there is no separation. It is

619
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: your identity. It is you, your little bar you putting

620
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 4: yourself out there. So it's and I think I think

621
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: it's really important to kind of look at those days

622
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 4: when you're building a case sort of called building a

623
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: case against myself, you know, stacking up the evidence of

624
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 4: why I'm.

625
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: Shit, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just important.

626
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: I just find it like to act on those days,

627
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: act in the ways of exercise and do all of

628
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 4: the good and the right thing and know that that

629
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: will end and you'll probably wake up the next day

630
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 4: feeling pretty good.

631
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: Lucky you married a great trainer.

632
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: I know, although he doesn't train me.

633
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: How good that you've got someone that obviously lives very

634
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: health and it's like, let's steal all the healthy good stuff.

635
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

636
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 4: Well, I'm good at talking myself off alleged now, Yeah,

637
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: how good. I've had sobriety for eleven years and so

638
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 4: I've been talking myself off ledges for a long time.

639
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you shed I've watched a few interviews where

640
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: you shed so honestly about that. Was there a turning

641
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: point for you where you were like, oh, no, this

642
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: is more than because I remember in an interviews or

643
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: when you called your mom and you're like, mom, I'm

644
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: an alcoholic and your Mom's like, huh, what do you mean?

645
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: What do you mean?

646
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: You know, and I think also, like we look at you,

647
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: this glamorous, gorgeous news journo, like you know, especially like,

648
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: so that's what we did you say eleven years ago?

649
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, almost eleven years ago.

650
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: Is there a turning point like that?

651
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: Was? Like?

652
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: Enough is enough?

653
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: It was.

654
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 4: It got to the point where I couldn't hide it anymore.

655
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: You know, I was not turning.

656
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: Up to work.

657
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: And my chief of staff, beautiful Lady, tapped me on

658
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 4: the shoulder one day and just said you're not doing okay,

659
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: are you and took me into the boardroom and I

660
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 4: just said, no, I'm not. And I was ready to

661
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 4: kind of let go at that point. And I tried

662
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: a lot of times to stop drinking, but it just

663
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: wasn't sticking successful, But I did this time.

664
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Speaker 3: It just sort of stark. I got it.

665
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: Because now looking at your career and where you are now,

666
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: like so driven and so in love with wach And

667
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: I think you've always been driven, but like so alive,

668
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: like you're passionate because and in the interview that I saw,

669
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: you talked about like how good work felt after. Yeah,

670
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: it was so like you didn't realize how like functional

671
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: you were and so good it I guess not even

672
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: masking but just kind of like getting on with the show.

673
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: So if you felt so good after becoming sober as

674
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: a journal I can only imagine now like living a

675
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: life that sounds like it's so true to your calling

676
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 2: and being like Mama Bear married, doing a career that

677
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: you freaking love.

678
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: Yes, it's great, must feel like polar ends.

679
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: Of definitely, and it's I'm just in control of my

680
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: life now, you know, I've got I've got the ability to.

681
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 4: For eleven years, I've sat with myself. You know, for

682
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 4: the previous many years, I numbed myself and I didn't

683
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: feel a feeling. I didn't allow myself to feel anything.

684
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 4: So for eleven years I've sat with myself. I've felt

685
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 4: every up, down, sideways, whatever, you know, hard, which is

686
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 4: really hard, Yeah, really hard.

687
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: And that's built a lot of resilience.

688
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also probably like self awareness.

689
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: And self awareness because you'd be like, ah, just so

690
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: many things like I don't I don't think. And this

691
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: isn't to compare to other forms of addiction or anything

692
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: like that, but I think that as human beings, we

693
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: can become really good at self medicating.

694
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: Yes, in whatever form, in.

695
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: Every form, in food, yeah, heroin in binge, watching ta in,

696
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: running in You know, there are there are so many

697
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 4: addictions out there, There are so many things that we

698
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: do to mask feeling.

699
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 3: You know, it's because feeling hurts.

700
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 4: You know, feeling is raw and confrontational and and I

701
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 4: just think with anyone who's caught up in that, it's

702
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: you know, you just need.

703
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: To look at yourself and perhaps question why that is.

704
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: That which is freaking scary, really scary, and that what

705
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: what am I?

706
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: What am I masking?

707
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? And that's I said.

708
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: I remember saying to my boyfriend, I used to have

709
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: an eating disorder, and obviously you'd mask with either binging

710
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: or not eating one or two. Yeah, And I said

711
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: to him, after like years of therapy and coming out this,

712
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: I said, shit, it's hard to sit in.

713
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: It, isn't It Just like you don't. You're not allowed.

714
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: You're not going to allow yourself to have that veno

715
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: or you know, which then might change two or three

716
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: or whatever. And same on the food front or drugs front,

717
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 2: or like you know in America, like Zanny's a massive

718
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: and you're just like whoa like it is. It does

719
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: take courage to sit in the shit and like I imagine

720
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: like there would have been moments like when you were

721
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: sitting on that couch a year ago of being like

722
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: it is hard to go after your dream and to

723
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: like feel the doubt, feel the like potential judgment, you know,

724
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: and also lab grown diamonds being.

725
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: So new and so pete.

726
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: It's not like people have been drinking the kool aid

727
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: of them for the last decade.

728
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: This is new.

729
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: So it's like, yes, it's exciting, you're a pioneer, but

730
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: there's also, like I'm and a huge potential for feeling

731
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: like you could.

732
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: Be rejected definitely, Yeah, And I feel that up and

733
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 4: down all the time, and it's something that I just

734
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 4: it's just part of my makeup now that I'll have

735
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 4: days like that where I just think, Okay, today is

736
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 4: one of those days, and we just know how to react,

737
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 4: but it's built so much kind of resilience as.

738
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: Well, and I guess not beating yourself up feeling like

739
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: everybody has a crap day exactly.

740
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: And being aware and be like, oh yep, that's one,

741
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: that's one of those.

742
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: We are one of those.

743
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 4: Okay, I can't wait for this day finish totally.

744
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: So what if we could look into a crystal ball

745
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: and obviously like, I'm so excited, I'll be well.

746
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm following the pay.

747
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't wait to see what comes next

748
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: for you. But like, where would you like to be

749
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: five years from now career wise?

750
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 4: I would like to have showrooms in the capital cities

751
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 4: across the Australia and I would like the Cut to

752
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 4: be known as a you know, a known brand and

753
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 4: the place to come to buy lab grown diamonds of

754
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 4: exceptional quality. Oh yeah, I know that's what I really want.

755
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 4: I want to make incredible pieces and that's that's my thing. Like,

756
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 4: if something is not up to scratch, we remake it

757
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: because I'm I'm just I've always been about quality and

758
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 4: I always love when you pick something up and it

759
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 4: is made really well. And that's just at the core

760
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 4: of what I want to do well, you want to

761
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: have it forever.

762
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: Definitely, that's what I love as well as like you've

763
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: been popping them on your mates on red carpets. I've seen, yes,

764
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: But do you know when you watch a red carpet

765
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: and you see a celebrity where jewelry, you're like, well,

766
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: I can't.

767
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm never going to be able to afford that. But

768
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: how cool.

769
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: It's so good that people can see Sylvia Jeffries or

770
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: someone wearing some of your staff and be like, I'm

771
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: going to google oh the cut I can.

772
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting seeing the way it all works, and

773
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 4: we've got a lot of followers when Sylvia wore and

774
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 4: Eddie yeah, or wore the jewelry.

775
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: But how nice that it is not an unexcess. It's

776
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: so great that you're making something that a girl in

777
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: her twenties could be like, hey, I love that.

778
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: That's something that's not out of my totally.

779
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: But it's not like when we watch the Oscars and

780
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: it's Angelina Jolly dripping in emeralds. Yes, you know, probably

781
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: unlock and key and she gives them to a security guy.

782
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 3: That's right at the end of it.

783
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 4: These are accessible, you know, This is the democratization of diamonds.

784
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: I love diamonds for everyone. You get a diamond.

785
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: I could talk to you all day long.

786
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: The last thing I want to ask you is just like,

787
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: do you have like we said, but you've obviously got

788
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: this resilience. You're not afraid of sitting where the discomfort

789
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: of yourself on the shittier days. But and you've clearly

790
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: got like a method of like, Okay, well, when I

791
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: feel crap, I'm going to do these things to manage

792
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: myself and get through that day. What is your advice

793
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 2: for people listening that might that might find that they

794
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: wake up, Yes, like wake up feeling like the doubt

795
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: is a bit much, you know, like because we can

796
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: still do all the right things, exercise it really well.

797
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: But self doubt is like a tricky one, and I

798
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: feel like you have potentially felt it and being able

799
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: to sit with it but still being able to like

800
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: lean into it and.

801
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: Move through it. Yes, it is.

802
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 4: It's a tricky one, and I still struggle with it.

803
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: You know. I don't think there's any roadmap out of

804
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 4: it apart from just acting like you know, there are

805
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: days when I think, Okay, I'm.

806
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I feel.

807
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 4: Great about today or I'm worried about seeing these clients.

808
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: You've got to just front up and get there and

809
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 4: see those clients and put on a smile and you know,

810
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 4: put one foot in front of the other.

811
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: And sometimes that's what it is.

812
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 4: It's literally a I'm going to get there and I'm

813
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 4: going to have a coffee and then I'm going to

814
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: you know, do something positive and step by step you

815
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 4: get through the experience.

816
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: So essentially, just keep going, keep going.

817
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 4: And it's it's usually a passing thought or experience or

818
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 4: day you're having a down day, but it's all just

819
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: about fronting up and soldiering on.

820
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: That is my motto. We just keep getting up and

821
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: moving forward.

822
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: Well, friend, you have inspired me so much and I

823
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: can't wait to see what comes next.

824
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: For the cut, I will.

825
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: Be cheering you on you and I'm really proud of

826
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: you because I know chasing a dream is scary, hard

827
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: and confronting and all those things, and you're doing it

828
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: and you've done it, but you're doing it because I

829
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: know this is just the beginning for you. And yeah,

830
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: I'm really really proud of you. I really I can't

831
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: wait to see what's next.

832
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, thank you so much for having

833
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 4: me on, and you know where to come when you

834
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 4: need to fill I'm.

835
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: Going to show you my dream photos right after this.

836
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: Thank you.

837
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

838
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Speaker 2: thank you to our guests and let's continue the conversation

839
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