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Speaker 1: Now, we were just talking with the hospitality CEO, Alex

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Speaker 1: Bruce about the government making these changes yesterday to be

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Speaker 1: secure and a number of other initiatives in an effort

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Speaker 1: to try and curb some of the concerns that we've

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Speaker 1: got around crime and dante social behavior. Now joining me

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Speaker 1: on the line is the CEO of the Chamber of

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Speaker 1: Commerce here in the Northern Territory, Greg Island. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Greg, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: Greg.

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Speaker 1: We know that crime has been one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: issues facing some territory businesses for quite a while. Now.

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Speaker 1: What was the reaction to the announcement yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think generally people were pleased that there is

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Speaker 2: additional support available in the form of additional higher value

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Speaker 2: on secure opportunities as well as a greater contribution from government.

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Speaker 2: It does have a real meaningful impact on people looking

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Speaker 2: to spend on their security and safety. But it's tackling

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Speaker 2: the outcome or the problem, not the cause of the problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is such a good point, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it's something that's been raised with me on numerous occasions

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Speaker 1: that you know that it is all fine and good

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Speaker 1: to you know, to get roller shutters on your business

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Speaker 1: or to secure it more. But at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, if those crimes are still being committed and

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Speaker 1: if we you know, if we've still got that anti

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Speaker 1: social behavior happening, it's it's probably just going to move

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Speaker 1: the problem somewhere else, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, effectively, that's what's happening. It does shift the issue

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Speaker 2: from one location that has been overle to investing in

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Speaker 2: an outcome, it's one that haven't so likely that that

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Speaker 2: issue will still continue.

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Speaker 1: Now I know that those changes to be secure they've

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Speaker 1: been welcomed and for some businesses it is certainly going

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Speaker 1: to help them to not maybe suffer the break ins

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Speaker 1: that they potentially already have been. What have they been

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Speaker 1: saying to you about the be secure changes.

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Speaker 2: Directly? The back has been that it helps. It's still

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Speaker 2: not covering the cost of a full solution, and I

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Speaker 2: don't think it was ever intended to cover that level

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Speaker 2: of work undertaken, but it certainly is a help. But

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Speaker 2: the overwhelming conversations that we're having are still around the

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Speaker 2: root cause of the issue. You know, we think that

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Speaker 2: the patrols that have been talked about again add value

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Speaker 2: in terms of hoping to divert people that are looking

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Speaker 2: for an excuse or an opportunity to cause some of

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Speaker 2: this havoc into some other programs. But you know, just

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Speaker 2: armind and Palmerston is one thing. But we're seeing these

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Speaker 2: issues all up and down the track and particularly as

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Speaker 2: we know in Central Australia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Greg, do you think that enough has been

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Speaker 1: announced here when you talk about the issues that we're

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Speaker 1: seeing in central Australia.

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Speaker 2: Nowhere near a Katie. The issues up and down the

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Speaker 2: track are just huge for people and business are highly

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Speaker 2: impacted by that. We've seen the last couple of days

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Speaker 2: twenty five plus cars just smashed, many of them ride offs,

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Speaker 2: council officers, general businesses broken into and have their livelihoods

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Speaker 2: trashed once again. So obviously it's a difficult issue and

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Speaker 2: one we've been talking about for many a day. We

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Speaker 2: certainly welcome the alignment now with Territory Families and nt

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Speaker 2: Police coming under Minister Warden. We've started those conversations as

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Speaker 2: soon as we were able to with her, and we're

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Speaker 2: looking forward to a lot better collaboration and a clear

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Speaker 2: understanding of what the root causes are here and look

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Speaker 2: forward to contributing to the potential outcomes less a silver bullet.

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Speaker 2: No one's ever found one of those. No, it's a

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Speaker 2: long halfway to the outcome that we're looking for. I've

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Speaker 2: got to start somewhere, and it's got to start now.

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Speaker 1: Just a smaller issue, there is one which has been

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Speaker 1: raised with us on numerous occasions about the roller doors.

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Speaker 1: So when it comes to be secure with those grants

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Speaker 1: and people trying to secure their businesses, some businesses obviously

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Speaker 1: haven't been able to put roller doors on due to

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Speaker 1: different requirements when it comes to fires and those fire exits.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that's been raised through the chamber.

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Speaker 2: Probably not directly through us, Katie, but it's certainly an

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Speaker 2: ongoing problem, and it stems back to the fact that

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Speaker 2: you've got to have free handle egress out of the

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Speaker 2: premises even after hours, which in some cases businesses have

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Speaker 2: been working on a ways to get around that for

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Speaker 2: many a year. I think there's got to be a

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Speaker 2: practicality if your business is not intended to be occupied

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Speaker 2: and it's been secured, you know, those fire regulations start

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Speaker 2: to not make a lot of sense in that particular case.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it time for a relook. Do you reckon it?

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Speaker 2: This one certainly needs to be considered with the direction

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Speaker 2: that everyone's going and creating that barrier at such a

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Speaker 2: hard level, it means that you're running an increase from

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Speaker 2: a fire safety perspective.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg, we've had a bit of discussion this morning

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Speaker 1: as well about the BDR and whether it's time to

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Speaker 1: review that BDR or at the very least, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Alex Bruce had said a short time ago, at the

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Speaker 1: very least, try to make it better, have a look

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Speaker 1: at some different ways to make it better. What are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look at Alex is probably the high level expert

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Speaker 2: in this particular field at the moment, but I certainly

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Speaker 2: do agree that we need to make sure that we're

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Speaker 2: getting value for the measures that are put in place,

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Speaker 2: and if we can't see the value, then everything needs

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Speaker 2: to be looked at. And then that's fairly on the list.

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Speaker 1: Well, we always appreciate your time. Greg Island, the see

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Speaker 1: of the Chamber of Commerce, Thanks so much for having

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Speaker 1: a chat with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: No worries. I'm glad my strips all held out for

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Speaker 2: the entire conversation.

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Speaker 1: Good on you, mate, I could hear that voice struggling

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Speaker 1: a bit. Thank you for your time this morning. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it.