WEBVTT - Would You Try A Death Simulator? ⚰️ ⚱️ 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.840 Cut, Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms, Catch up podcast 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.680 Lex and Rooms. It's Flex and Frooms on cater We 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:09.920 are here with you from three to five pm on 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:13.080 week nights and FLEXI. As you know, I'm a Melbourne 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.160 stan So I grew up. It's my favorite city. 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:18.400 Isn't my favorite city in the world? 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.520 I would say nostalgic wise, it's hard to it's hard 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.040 to separate the upbringing from the city. I will say 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.880 it's a bit flat, it's not enough undulating hills. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.160 Oh, I was like flat and way I like hills 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.959 as well. Visually picking favorites, I don't know if I'm 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.680 into that these days really, because if you said. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.479 What's your favorite song? Movie, food? 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:43.919 I would have the same kind of response. Oh, it's 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.800 hard to pick a favorite, and depends on it's a 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.360 it's a very loaded question, yes, because you know when 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:52.360 you say it, someone's gonna hold you to it. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.440 Oh, that's your face, What do you like about it? 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.520 I would do. I would do the same thing if 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.880 you said Melbourne's your favorite, you'd be like, well, there's 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.000 heaps of cities in the world, all right, list. 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.040 Them off least a few seconds and sist, let's do 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.679 some comparisons. So, yeah, Melbourne's very flat. If you're from 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.600 Melbourne and you've never considered that, I might just ruin 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:13.240 your day. Something changes in your brain when you can 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.399 see things from all different angles. I swear it makes 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.080 you more hopeful. That's all I'll say. That's why you 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.319 should come up to Sydney for a little sabbatical, little 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.600 three months stint over summer, get a sublease, go anywhere. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.080 No city is way hillier than Melbourne. I'm just saying 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.759 if I'm not comparing to two cities in terms of helliness, Oh. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:32.479 Was all we were doing? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:32.640 got it? 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.000 Just hills, no other vibes. That's just too complicated. There 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:37.280 is an exhibit on. 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.000 In Melbourne right now. It's called Melbourne Now. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.600 It's on until August. I don't exactly know what it is. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.160 I think I want to check it out next weekend. 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.720 But I know that my friend m Nolan, who's a designer, 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.320 has one of her designs there and it's got art there, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.280 and they have something that has really piqued my interest 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:53.320 that I really want to try. 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.120 It's a death simulation. What does that mean? 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.080 Well, it's made enough headlines that it's all around the world. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:00.960 This is an article from The Mirror UK. There's a 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.080 guy called Sean glad Well and he's created a death stimulator, 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:09.280 which shows you simulator a death stimulator. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:12.040 What's the difference? 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:16.639 Stimulator is like, I'm going to I'm stimulating you. I'm 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:23.760 like the simulators moving around. A simulator is like uh 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.480 like again, like when I'm putting you in an environment 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.880 that gives you the impression that you're experiencing this thing. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.520 If I'm playing a farm simulator, I'm doing the activity 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:35.320 of a farmer. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:36.400 I'm simulating. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.960 On a technicality, I will say I'm correct because it 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:44.560 does shake you, this death simulator. So this is a 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.920 guy and he's created this simulator. What does it kind 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.880 of look like. It looks like you're behind a sheath 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.360 and you're all on hospital beds and you're hooked up 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.280 to monitors and you're also hooked up to a heart 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.959 rate monitor. So if it gets too crazy at any point, 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.440 you just put your hand up and they'll whisk you away. 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:01.480 It all started. So he's an artist. 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.400 It's called passing Electrical Storms, and it's all about guiding 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:09.120 participants through a stimulated de escalation of life from cardiac 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.720 arrest through to brain death. So then they get actors 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.679 to come in and pretend like they're doctors, like, come 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.920 over you. You get these goggles that show you what you 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.000 like from above, and all of this stuff we. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.160 Have not read. The body keeps the score. Why are 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.240 we doing simulated trauma? 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.960 Someone said that, like on TikTok, they had gone on 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.240 it and then said what their experience was, and they 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.400 said they can see how it causes anxiety and panic 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.800 because the borderlines on what death is actually like what 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.720 happens is you're laying down, the bed vibrates, you flatline, The. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.320 Doctors come over the top of you. You can see yourself 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:39.840 in the goggles. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:41.560 They try to revive you, it doesn't work, and then 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.280 you float up past them into space and it keeps going. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.960 So I'm assuming this is some kind of visual experience. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.640 I generally have to come back and do it and 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.920 explain it. I want to throw the server to our 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:57.440 podcast because near death, near death experiences, I've heard a 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.560 million of them. You see the light of the tunnel, 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.280 you don't see out of the tunnel. Have you ever 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.520 met someone who's had a near death experience? No, not 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.400 that I know of, not that you know of. The 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.400 only person that I know who has was my mum. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:11.880 She was kayak. 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.840 She was whitewater rafting, I think, and she got thrown 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.760 over the side and no one knew where she was 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.280 and she was actually trapped onto the boat. And she 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.080 said that she panicked for ages and then she just 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.400 accepted it and then she got pulled out of the water. So, 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:25.960 as you can see, there's a lot of near death 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.600 experiences around the water with my family. As you will 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.680 know if you're a regular listener of the show. It 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.360 was just a year ago now that I had a 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.800 near death experience in Bali swimming where there was red flags. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.600 Please remember, never swim near the red flags. 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:40.600 It means don't go there. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.160 I'm like, when you're your Bondi beaches and your tamoramas 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:49.360 and whatnot, what do I think happens just before you die? 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.400 Well, before you answer that, what's appealing to you about 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:53.200 this experience? 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.040 I like immersive art galleries. I think they're really fun. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:59.880 One of my favorites is Mona. They've got a lot 0:04:59.920 --> 0:05:05.320 of kind of like intense audio sensory experiences. My favorite one, 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.279 which is also so gross is obviously the fart simulator 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.000 or the poor simulator who thinks of that, Like, imagine 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.280 the kind of research you had to do. It's genius. 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.200 I love art that like, if you're not an arty person, 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.640 you can still enjoy it and still get a similar 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.000 effect out of it. However, I would encourage people, if 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.000 you have the time and the means to just go 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.479 to galleries on a random day, to like try and 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.880 get into the art practice and why because it helps 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.240 you look at life in a different way, and I 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:38.839 think you can appreciate art more. Like I've got a 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.360 friend who makes art that's like sculptures, and I think 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:43.680 if you were just looking at them, you think, oh, 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.800 they're just like a random sculptures where you like put 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.840 all this stuff together. But when I hear about an 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:51.800 artistic process, and I've seen it firsthand, even the act 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.600 of her creating this massive body of work across many, 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.920 many years, it adds to the law of how you 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:02.520 create these works. I just think I would like it 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.480 because I haven't thought that much about death, Like I'm 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.200 I'm not religious, Like I haven't really looked into it 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.640 that much. I have always assumed that nothing happens like, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.440 I don't really believe in reincarnation. 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:16.200 I don't not believe in it. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.800 I just like haven't been around that many people that 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:23.000 believe in that kind of stuff. So I like the 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.200 idea of practicing it out because I think we all 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.560 think about what's it going to be like after I die? 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.960 Like are people going to even be sad? I would 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:31.360 love to know, like what are people going to write 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.400 on the little cards to my family? What kind of 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.320 flowers are we getting? Like are we gonna be using 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.680 my playlist? And the death? Like am I doing an 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.640 open casket? So I think it'd be a humbling experience 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.800 to do this simulator. Go do it and then go 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.360 to Chinchin for lunch, do you know what I mean? Like, 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.920 then go and enjoy your life or what it is, 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:51.800 Go and talk to your friends. It's a really great 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.960 way to like bring up the topic of death because 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.840 it's definitely I don't think we like talk about it, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:59.919 and for good reason. There's a lot of like super 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.039 around talking about death, Like even now I think, so 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.680 even now me talking about it, I'm like, oh, am, 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.760 I like willing this into existence. If you believe in 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.040 manifestation and you talk about it too much. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.320 And that's not how manifesting works. Well, I think it. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.200 Is for something, Oh yeah, like if you if you 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.400 talk about something enough like you talk well, yeah, like 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.240 you've said to me before, if you keep saying that 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:23.080 thing about. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:27.880 Yourself, yeah, but that's that's like neuroplasticity. I think that 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.280 the way you speak about yourself in particular informs the 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:35.239 way you see the world. Right, so your brain can't 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.080 tell the difference between reality and fantasy, and your subconscious 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:42.000 mind is storing everything you've ever seen, smell, touched, herd experience, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.679 and is giving you and it's like processing the starter 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.160 in real time. So I think it's a waste of 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.720 your space to think so negatively or to say things negatively, 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.239 because even though you may not consciously think you feel 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.960 that way. Well, your brain is like, well, i've heard 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:01.280 you call yourself silly or as many times as I've 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.320 heard you call yourself smart and intelligent. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.320 So so this at this point, but it's like a 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:08.000 random stab. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.080 But I do I do believe people should should think 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.000 and speak really intentionally. But I don't want to scare 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.160 people into thinking like because you said it, it's gonna happen, 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:18.560 not everyone's like gifted. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.880 Absolutely, but it's like it's like in the same vein 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:22.840 as touch Wood. 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.680 Yeah. Yeah, I think it's interesting because I used to 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.120 be really flippant with the media that I consume, but 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:32.240 hips the horror movies. I had like a small true 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.560 crime era, heaps of sad music. I was like, I 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:39.720 really want to go to a ghost tour type thing, 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.480 you know, all of those kinds of things that you 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.960 expose yourself to for a thrill. It's exciting to be 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.480 interacting with things that are so unique and rare, but 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.760 just knowing that your body can't tell the difference, you're 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.400 not leaving that experience going I need to deal with 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.719 that for a second. So you know how after you 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.840 watch a horror movie, you see the most insane, traumatic things. 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.480 You're scared, your cortisol levels are rising, you're grabbing your friend, 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:05.360 you're shaking. 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:07.880 At one point, you're actually like you're like really really scared. 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:09.400 You don't want to say anything, and you just leave 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.000 and go home and wonder why you're tense. The next day, 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.880 your heap's anxious, you keep having nightmares. And so when 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.760 I see this, when I hear about this experience, I'm like, Oh, 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:18.720 that's really interesting. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.920 But I'm also like, is the payoff worthwhile. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.880 Knowing? Because that's next level you're putting. I'm assuming it's 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:28.760 VR like you. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:29.520 I think it must be. 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.880 So you've got a VR headset on that's letting you 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.719 see yourself from a bird's eye view. As people resuscitate you, 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:40.680 You're hearing yourself flatline. Everybody's freaking out. You go into space. 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:46.120 It sounds cool, but I'm just like, I've got already 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.480 layers and layers of stuff I gotta deal with, and 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.319 a whole lifetime of extra trauma to experience. I don't 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.800 think I can be playing around on a random Tuesday 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:54.880 with three me going. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.560 Oh, put a die, let's die today. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.720 I will say I agree with the horror movie stuff, 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.040 like I think I I reckon. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:04.680 I've said it like ten times on this podcast. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:10.200 But when I watched Black for eleventh eleven eleven, when 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.080 I would watch Black Mirror in the holidays, over summer 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.920 holidays and I just watched like three episodes in a row, 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.559 it was not good for me. It sent me into 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:23.240 a little mini episode of feeling shit. So yeah, I 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.320 like the idea of being a bit more conscious, particularly 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.000 about the scary stuff. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.599 Yeah, we like gambling, but let's let's know that the 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:30.640 risk is worth it. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:32.960 Oh, I'll be going to the death simulator. Oh, you 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.160 have to go if I can get it the next level. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.360 But I'm just saying, I'm like, I'm freaking out now. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.240 I'm like, oh, is it going to be worth it? Anyway? 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.839 We'll talk about later. You've been listening to the Flex 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.240 and Frooms Daily podcast. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.120 For more, tune in de Caater on DAB or stream 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:48.120 it on iHeartRadio.