Speaker 1: Cut, Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms, Catch up podcast
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Speaker 1: week nights and FLEXI. As you know, I'm a Melbourne
Speaker 1: stan So I grew up. It's my favorite city.
Speaker 2: Isn't my favorite city in the world?
Speaker 1: I would say nostalgic wise, it's hard to it's hard
Speaker 1: to separate the upbringing from the city. I will say
Speaker 1: it's a bit flat, it's not enough undulating hills.
Speaker 3: Oh, I was like flat and way I like hills
Speaker 3: as well. Visually picking favorites, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 3: into that these days really, because if you said.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite song? Movie, food?
Speaker 3: I would have the same kind of response. Oh, it's
Speaker 3: hard to pick a favorite, and depends on it's a
Speaker 3: it's a very loaded question, yes, because you know when
Speaker 3: you say it, someone's gonna hold you to it.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's your face, What do you like about it?
Speaker 3: I would do. I would do the same thing if
Speaker 3: you said Melbourne's your favorite, you'd be like, well, there's
Speaker 3: heaps of cities in the world, all right, list.
Speaker 1: Them off least a few seconds and sist, let's do
Speaker 1: some comparisons. So, yeah, Melbourne's very flat. If you're from
Speaker 1: Melbourne and you've never considered that, I might just ruin
Speaker 1: your day. Something changes in your brain when you can
Speaker 1: see things from all different angles. I swear it makes
Speaker 1: you more hopeful. That's all I'll say. That's why you
Speaker 1: should come up to Sydney for a little sabbatical, little
Speaker 1: three months stint over summer, get a sublease, go anywhere.
Speaker 1: No city is way hillier than Melbourne. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: if I'm not comparing to two cities in terms of helliness, Oh.
Speaker 2: Was all we were doing? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: got it?
Speaker 1: Just hills, no other vibes. That's just too complicated. There
Speaker 1: is an exhibit on.
Speaker 2: In Melbourne right now. It's called Melbourne Now.
Speaker 1: It's on until August. I don't exactly know what it is.
Speaker 1: I think I want to check it out next weekend.
Speaker 1: But I know that my friend m Nolan, who's a designer,
Speaker 1: has one of her designs there and it's got art there,
Speaker 1: and they have something that has really piqued my interest
Speaker 1: that I really want to try.
Speaker 2: It's a death simulation. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Well, it's made enough headlines that it's all around the world.
Speaker 1: This is an article from The Mirror UK. There's a
Speaker 1: guy called Sean glad Well and he's created a death stimulator,
Speaker 1: which shows you simulator a death stimulator.
Speaker 2: What's the difference?
Speaker 3: Stimulator is like, I'm going to I'm stimulating you. I'm
Speaker 3: like the simulators moving around. A simulator is like uh
Speaker 3: like again, like when I'm putting you in an environment
Speaker 3: that gives you the impression that you're experiencing this thing.
Speaker 3: If I'm playing a farm simulator, I'm doing the activity
Speaker 3: of a farmer.
Speaker 2: I'm simulating.
Speaker 1: On a technicality, I will say I'm correct because it
Speaker 1: does shake you, this death simulator. So this is a
Speaker 1: guy and he's created this simulator. What does it kind
Speaker 1: of look like. It looks like you're behind a sheath
Speaker 1: and you're all on hospital beds and you're hooked up
Speaker 1: to monitors and you're also hooked up to a heart
Speaker 1: rate monitor. So if it gets too crazy at any point,
Speaker 1: you just put your hand up and they'll whisk you away.
Speaker 2: It all started. So he's an artist.
Speaker 1: It's called passing Electrical Storms, and it's all about guiding
Speaker 1: participants through a stimulated de escalation of life from cardiac
Speaker 1: arrest through to brain death. So then they get actors
Speaker 1: to come in and pretend like they're doctors, like, come
Speaker 1: over you. You get these goggles that show you what you
Speaker 1: like from above, and all of this stuff we.
Speaker 3: Have not read. The body keeps the score. Why are
Speaker 3: we doing simulated trauma?
Speaker 1: Someone said that, like on TikTok, they had gone on
Speaker 1: it and then said what their experience was, and they
Speaker 1: said they can see how it causes anxiety and panic
Speaker 1: because the borderlines on what death is actually like what
Speaker 1: happens is you're laying down, the bed vibrates, you flatline, The.
Speaker 2: Doctors come over the top of you. You can see yourself
Speaker 2: in the goggles.
Speaker 1: They try to revive you, it doesn't work, and then
Speaker 1: you float up past them into space and it keeps going.
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming this is some kind of visual experience.
Speaker 1: I generally have to come back and do it and
Speaker 1: explain it. I want to throw the server to our
Speaker 1: podcast because near death, near death experiences, I've heard a
Speaker 1: million of them. You see the light of the tunnel,
Speaker 1: you don't see out of the tunnel. Have you ever
Speaker 1: met someone who's had a near death experience? No, not
Speaker 1: that I know of, not that you know of. The
Speaker 1: only person that I know who has was my mum.
Speaker 2: She was kayak.
Speaker 1: She was whitewater rafting, I think, and she got thrown
Speaker 1: over the side and no one knew where she was
Speaker 1: and she was actually trapped onto the boat. And she
Speaker 1: said that she panicked for ages and then she just
Speaker 1: accepted it and then she got pulled out of the water. So,
Speaker 1: as you can see, there's a lot of near death
Speaker 1: experiences around the water with my family. As you will
Speaker 1: know if you're a regular listener of the show. It
Speaker 1: was just a year ago now that I had a
Speaker 1: near death experience in Bali swimming where there was red flags.
Speaker 1: Please remember, never swim near the red flags.
Speaker 2: It means don't go there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, when you're your Bondi beaches and your tamoramas
Speaker 1: and whatnot, what do I think happens just before you die?
Speaker 3: Well, before you answer that, what's appealing to you about
Speaker 3: this experience?
Speaker 1: I like immersive art galleries. I think they're really fun.
Speaker 1: One of my favorites is Mona. They've got a lot
Speaker 1: of kind of like intense audio sensory experiences. My favorite one,
Speaker 1: which is also so gross is obviously the fart simulator
Speaker 1: or the poor simulator who thinks of that, Like, imagine
Speaker 1: the kind of research you had to do. It's genius.
Speaker 1: I love art that like, if you're not an arty person,
Speaker 1: you can still enjoy it and still get a similar
Speaker 1: effect out of it. However, I would encourage people, if
Speaker 1: you have the time and the means to just go
Speaker 1: to galleries on a random day, to like try and
Speaker 1: get into the art practice and why because it helps
Speaker 1: you look at life in a different way, and I
Speaker 1: think you can appreciate art more. Like I've got a
Speaker 1: friend who makes art that's like sculptures, and I think
Speaker 1: if you were just looking at them, you think, oh,
Speaker 1: they're just like a random sculptures where you like put
Speaker 1: all this stuff together. But when I hear about an
Speaker 1: artistic process, and I've seen it firsthand, even the act
Speaker 1: of her creating this massive body of work across many,
Speaker 1: many years, it adds to the law of how you
Speaker 1: create these works. I just think I would like it
Speaker 1: because I haven't thought that much about death, Like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not religious, Like I haven't really looked into it
Speaker 1: that much. I have always assumed that nothing happens like,
Speaker 1: I don't really believe in reincarnation.
Speaker 2: I don't not believe in it.
Speaker 1: I just like haven't been around that many people that
Speaker 1: believe in that kind of stuff. So I like the
Speaker 1: idea of practicing it out because I think we all
Speaker 1: think about what's it going to be like after I die?
Speaker 1: Like are people going to even be sad? I would
Speaker 1: love to know, like what are people going to write
Speaker 1: on the little cards to my family? What kind of
Speaker 1: flowers are we getting? Like are we gonna be using
Speaker 1: my playlist? And the death? Like am I doing an
Speaker 1: open casket? So I think it'd be a humbling experience
Speaker 1: to do this simulator. Go do it and then go
Speaker 1: to Chinchin for lunch, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: then go and enjoy your life or what it is,
Speaker 1: Go and talk to your friends. It's a really great
Speaker 1: way to like bring up the topic of death because
Speaker 1: it's definitely I don't think we like talk about it,
Speaker 1: and for good reason. There's a lot of like super
Speaker 1: around talking about death, Like even now I think, so
Speaker 1: even now me talking about it, I'm like, oh, am,
Speaker 1: I like willing this into existence. If you believe in
Speaker 1: manifestation and you talk about it too much.
Speaker 2: And that's not how manifesting works. Well, I think it.
Speaker 1: Is for something, Oh yeah, like if you if you
Speaker 1: talk about something enough like you talk well, yeah, like
Speaker 1: you've said to me before, if you keep saying that
Speaker 1: thing about.
Speaker 3: Yourself, yeah, but that's that's like neuroplasticity. I think that
Speaker 3: the way you speak about yourself in particular informs the
Speaker 3: way you see the world. Right, so your brain can't
Speaker 3: tell the difference between reality and fantasy, and your subconscious
Speaker 3: mind is storing everything you've ever seen, smell, touched, herd experience,
Speaker 3: and is giving you and it's like processing the starter
Speaker 3: in real time. So I think it's a waste of
Speaker 3: your space to think so negatively or to say things negatively,
Speaker 3: because even though you may not consciously think you feel
Speaker 3: that way. Well, your brain is like, well, i've heard
Speaker 3: you call yourself silly or as many times as I've
Speaker 3: heard you call yourself smart and intelligent.
Speaker 2: So so this at this point, but it's like a
Speaker 2: random stab.
Speaker 3: But I do I do believe people should should think
Speaker 3: and speak really intentionally. But I don't want to scare
Speaker 3: people into thinking like because you said it, it's gonna happen,
Speaker 3: not everyone's like gifted.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but it's like it's like in the same vein
Speaker 1: as touch Wood.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think it's interesting because I used to
Speaker 3: be really flippant with the media that I consume, but
Speaker 3: hips the horror movies. I had like a small true
Speaker 3: crime era, heaps of sad music. I was like, I
Speaker 3: really want to go to a ghost tour type thing,
Speaker 3: you know, all of those kinds of things that you
Speaker 3: expose yourself to for a thrill. It's exciting to be
Speaker 3: interacting with things that are so unique and rare, but
Speaker 3: just knowing that your body can't tell the difference, you're
Speaker 3: not leaving that experience going I need to deal with
Speaker 3: that for a second. So you know how after you
Speaker 3: watch a horror movie, you see the most insane, traumatic things.
Speaker 3: You're scared, your cortisol levels are rising, you're grabbing your friend,
Speaker 3: you're shaking.
Speaker 2: At one point, you're actually like you're like really really scared.
Speaker 3: You don't want to say anything, and you just leave
Speaker 3: and go home and wonder why you're tense. The next day,
Speaker 3: your heap's anxious, you keep having nightmares. And so when
Speaker 3: I see this, when I hear about this experience, I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 3: that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: But I'm also like, is the payoff worthwhile.
Speaker 3: Knowing? Because that's next level you're putting. I'm assuming it's
Speaker 3: VR like you.
Speaker 2: I think it must be.
Speaker 3: So you've got a VR headset on that's letting you
Speaker 3: see yourself from a bird's eye view. As people resuscitate you,
Speaker 3: You're hearing yourself flatline. Everybody's freaking out. You go into space.
Speaker 3: It sounds cool, but I'm just like, I've got already
Speaker 3: layers and layers of stuff I gotta deal with, and
Speaker 3: a whole lifetime of extra trauma to experience. I don't
Speaker 3: think I can be playing around on a random Tuesday
Speaker 3: with three me going.
Speaker 2: Oh, put a die, let's die today.
Speaker 1: I will say I agree with the horror movie stuff,
Speaker 1: like I think I I reckon.
Speaker 2: I've said it like ten times on this podcast.
Speaker 1: But when I watched Black for eleventh eleven eleven, when
Speaker 1: I would watch Black Mirror in the holidays, over summer
Speaker 1: holidays and I just watched like three episodes in a row,
Speaker 1: it was not good for me. It sent me into
Speaker 1: a little mini episode of feeling shit. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: like the idea of being a bit more conscious, particularly
Speaker 1: about the scary stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we like gambling, but let's let's know that the
Speaker 3: risk is worth it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll be going to the death simulator. Oh, you
Speaker 2: have to go if I can get it the next level.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, I'm like, I'm freaking out now.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, is it going to be worth it? Anyway?
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