Speaker 1: This is Peter hell A. You're welcome to You ain't
Speaker 1: seen nothing yet The Movie Podcast, where I chat to
Speaker 1: a movie lover about a loved or classic film they
Speaker 1: haven't quite got around to watching until now. And today's
Speaker 1: guest comedian Celia pacuola.
Speaker 2: Us Smarter.
Speaker 3: Wax On wax Off.
Speaker 1: I do wish we could chat, Latiner, but.
Speaker 4: I'm having an old friend for dinner.
Speaker 1: You haven't any right now.
Speaker 3: You ain't seen nothing.
Speaker 5: Yet, the prayer phrase. Alicia Keys.
Speaker 1: Celia Pecola is a girl on fire, bursting onto the
Speaker 1: Aussie comedy scene over a decade ago. She's gone on
Speaker 1: to become a household name and a triple threat. It
Speaker 1: might even been more with stage, screen and bloody dancing.
Speaker 1: She's the co writer, co creator and star of ABC's
Speaker 1: Rose Haven. She can be seen on the project Have
Speaker 1: you been paying Attention? She's starting the hilarious key. We
Speaker 1: featured the breaker up hers and if that wasn't enough,
Speaker 1: Celia Precola one last season of Dancing with the Stars
Speaker 1: bloody amazing. Celia is hilarious, gracious, so much fun to
Speaker 1: be around, and I'm stoked to have her here for
Speaker 1: Shark Week.
Speaker 4: I'm Celia Piccola, and my three favorite films are No
Speaker 4: Pressure number one easily League of their Own. Hi, my
Speaker 4: name's me and that's more than a name, that's an attitude.
Speaker 4: It has everything. Number two, I'm going to say Labyrinth,
Speaker 4: every Boy.
Speaker 3: And living up to your expectations.
Speaker 4: Three. I know I should not do another comedy one,
Speaker 4: but for my heart, it's got to be drop dead
Speaker 4: Fred yourself. And up until last week I had not
Speaker 4: seen Jaws. It's really full on.
Speaker 1: John Williams was in great work there. From the original
Speaker 1: summer blockbuster that sees the peaceful sea side tan of
Speaker 1: Amity being terrorized by the world's most famous killer shark,
Speaker 1: and then eventual Universal Studios back while tour attraction local
Speaker 1: sheriff Chief Brody played by Roy Scheider and Matt Hooper,
Speaker 1: a marine biolists played by Richard Dreyfus, and an old
Speaker 1: man of the sea or possibly pirate, Captain Quinn played
Speaker 1: by Robert Shaw. They must catch the killer shark whilst
Speaker 1: facing opposition from the local mayor who wants to keep
Speaker 1: the beaches open for the sake of the economy. Sounds familiar.
Speaker 1: It is Shark Week and let's find out if Celia
Speaker 1: Pacola has survived it. Welcome seals.
Speaker 4: Hi. I thought that was going to be the briefest
Speaker 4: like summary of a plot ever, just would have been,
Speaker 4: there's a shark's up shark the end.
Speaker 1: Well, it's so funny because I when you think of George,
Speaker 1: you just think, Dan, oh, it's the shark. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just about the shark, and it's the music and
Speaker 1: it's the shark, and that there is about, you know,
Speaker 1: closer two hours around around that, and there's some stuff
Speaker 1: that goes on, and I think there's actually some and
Speaker 1: we'll get into this. This is too deep to get
Speaker 1: into straight at the top. There's some parallels my goodness
Speaker 1: Jaws and twenty two and twenty But just a quick reflection,
Speaker 1: what did you? Did you survive it?
Speaker 4: Did I survive it? It was so much better than
Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be. Shock. It's actually good.
Speaker 1: I don't know I've done. Steven Spielberg, I done, But like.
Speaker 4: I think, I hadn't watched it because my only interaction
Speaker 4: with it was I went to, I want to say,
Speaker 4: Warner Brothers movie, what Universal Studios in America? And they've
Speaker 4: got the shark there and it looks so shit, And
Speaker 4: I just thought, how is it possible that that's anything
Speaker 4: other than watching it now comically ridiculous, Like I thought
Speaker 4: it was kind of famous for how bad it was,
Speaker 4: Like if you go back and watch the Never a
Speaker 4: Need Story, the Wolf with the Eye, the Robot Wolf, now,
Speaker 4: if you watch it now, it just looks shit. So
Speaker 4: I just thought, it's going to be people. It'll be
Speaker 4: an interesting watch because people are going to act really
Speaker 4: scared of something that looks like, you know, a cardboard
Speaker 4: box with the eyes drawn on the side of it,
Speaker 4: something that's been made in place schol Craft section. But
Speaker 4: actually it was more than that. Like, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: not the one to really understand. I appreciate, you know,
Speaker 4: cinematography and all that kind of stuff, but you really,
Speaker 4: I really really noticed it in this film, the sort
Speaker 4: of the buildup of tension and music and this sort
Speaker 4: of it was. It was really great.
Speaker 1: There's so much going on in the production of this
Speaker 1: film that kind of leads to all those things that
Speaker 1: you just spoke about. And they started making this film
Speaker 1: without a script, like the script was a finish and
Speaker 1: they were They basically started the film without a script,
Speaker 1: without a cast, and without a shark really Yeah, so
Speaker 1: and and and these things will come into play when
Speaker 1: we come back to talking about Jaws, because the things
Speaker 1: you said, like talk about happy accidents in films. It's
Speaker 1: just one of the all time great examples of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to say, we'll get back to but
Speaker 4: it seemed so polished that surprised me, Like you watch
Speaker 4: it now and everything seems such a deliberate choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think the only thing that really dated
Speaker 1: for me. I mean, obviously if they did the Shark now,
Speaker 1: it would be a bit different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the head and the head, the head underwater
Speaker 4: head was like, that's that's that's a bad Halloween mask.
Speaker 4: That was bad.
Speaker 1: But there's someone that's the dialogue around around, you know,
Speaker 1: the setting up Like did you notice in the when
Speaker 1: the chief goes back to his office and makes it
Speaker 1: quick types up the report.
Speaker 4: This is my favorite moment.
Speaker 1: The phone call, the reception gets Yeah.
Speaker 4: The reception is going, chief browdy. The karate school call.
Speaker 4: The nine year olds have been karate shopping. The fence.
Speaker 4: That was what I was. That's the only thing that
Speaker 4: I brought in.
Speaker 1: And then she takes a phone that she takes a
Speaker 1: phone call and it's like Chief Brody's office, and then
Speaker 1: like straight away it's like Chief, it's the it's the coronel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the mayor. And it's like there was no room
Speaker 1: for somebody to say, hey, it's the mayor, he is Chief.
Speaker 4: I didn't notice that. I was still thinking about someone
Speaker 4: in a scripting room going, right, we need a small
Speaker 4: town problem. Okay, there's karate. A nine year old has
Speaker 4: been chopping a fence with their hands. Someone's hitting a fence.
Speaker 4: But I was getting Ghostbuster vibes from her for the
Speaker 4: like Gus Bus there's like some that Chief Browdy can't
Speaker 4: be doing, you know, and he's like, I got to
Speaker 4: shuck to worry about. But it was that was my
Speaker 4: favorite moment, was that that whole sequence of them really
Speaker 4: doubling down on the small town like he's trying to
Speaker 4: he's trying to deal with a shark. And there's like
Speaker 4: a guy carrying a random bicycle wheel being like people
Speaker 4: keep parking in front of my shop, you know, like
Speaker 4: they really I loved all of those those little details work.
Speaker 1: Let's get back, Let's get back to the Jaws, because
Speaker 1: you have three wonderful, wonderful films not necessarily. Some of
Speaker 1: these films have come up before. Uh maybe Labyrinth is
Speaker 1: the only one. I'm not sure if a League of
Speaker 1: their Own has come up. It may have come up once.
Speaker 4: You need to rethink the guests that you were having
Speaker 4: on your show.
Speaker 1: Peep. I will give you their names and numbers and
Speaker 1: you can follow up afterwards.
Speaker 4: Because the League of their Own is has down the greatest.
Speaker 4: It's the greatest film of all time. It has everything
Speaker 4: in it. It's got Tom Hanks, Gina Davis, tears, laughs, dancing, Madonna, feminism,
Speaker 4: true story, family, it's the best. The quotable lines what's
Speaker 4: his name? John Lovets is in it. It's so good.
Speaker 1: There's no crying in baseball?
Speaker 4: Are you crying? No?
Speaker 5: Are you crying?
Speaker 2: There's no, there's not crying in baseball.
Speaker 5: But there is.
Speaker 4: But there is no crying baseball. But then there is
Speaker 4: crying baseball where Betty Spaghetti gets a telegram that her
Speaker 4: husband has died in well, oh my god, it's got
Speaker 4: Bill Bill Pullman, say his name, who's j Davis's husband?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just.
Speaker 4: Start to finish. It's just such a great combination of
Speaker 4: of all of the things of the fields and then
Speaker 4: the laugh and then the big speech, which is the
Speaker 4: speech he's the Tom Hanks speech about quitting about the
Speaker 4: heart is what makes it great. If it wasn't hard,
Speaker 4: everybody would do it. You know, you can't walk out.
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it so much.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's one of those films that has
Speaker 1: been this like this not dismissed. That's too strong, because
Speaker 1: I know people do love this film and it is
Speaker 1: held up in that kind of as a great feminist
Speaker 1: film and you know, alongside like a film and Louise,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's I wonder if it's been like
Speaker 1: dismissed by some as like oh, that baseball movie or
Speaker 1: that chick flick, you know, and I wonder if it's
Speaker 1: if not enough people actually.
Speaker 4: With the respect absolutely because I hate baseball and chick flicks,
Speaker 4: like it's really neither of those things. And the very
Speaker 4: simple basis it's funny. It's so funny. And if people
Speaker 4: don't know the story, which is based on a true thing.
Speaker 4: All the men went away to war, so there was
Speaker 4: no baseball players. All the baseball players got constripped and
Speaker 4: went off to war, so they were so's this one
Speaker 4: man had this idea, but girls playing baseball, and they
Speaker 4: put together a women's baseball league. And in that story
Speaker 4: as well, there's a Tom Hanks playing Jimmy Dougan who's
Speaker 4: a washed up now alcoholic who's been put in charge
Speaker 4: of women, which he hates, and you know, it's just
Speaker 4: it's got its. And then inside that is Geena Davis
Speaker 4: and her sister having this rivalry with one of the
Speaker 4: best family lines of dialogue I've ever heard, which is,
Speaker 4: if you ever hear our dad introduced us to peep,
Speaker 4: this is our daughter Doddy. This is our other daughter,
Speaker 4: Duddy's sister, like that kind of and this, yeah, that
Speaker 4: rivalry that goals, goes on and overshadowed by by this
Speaker 4: war the I just love it. I rarely rewatch films,
Speaker 4: and that one I could just watch again and again.
Speaker 1: I must go back and revisit it. I saw it
Speaker 1: when it came out and really enjoyed it, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure that I've seen it a second time, but it's
Speaker 1: been used as I've seen it.
Speaker 4: Our dog is named Jimmy after Jimmy Dougan. His full
Speaker 4: name is Jimmy. There's no crying in Baseball Chocolate Ship.
Speaker 1: It's his full name, but yeah, can you tell listeners
Speaker 1: who you're what you're at?
Speaker 4: A dog is rather dog is called Deirdre Chambers from
Speaker 4: the character and m.
Speaker 1: So you couldn't find a character and drop dead Fred.
Speaker 4: Or no, no, Well, I don't know. I thought I
Speaker 4: was trying to think. I don't know what people based
Speaker 4: there what. It's really a tough question, which I'm sure
Speaker 4: finding with people coming in your favorite three movies, because
Speaker 4: there's some movies that I loved on a single watch,
Speaker 4: but I feel like the ones, these ones on my
Speaker 4: list are the ones that I give me fond feelings
Speaker 4: when I think about them and have at least had
Speaker 4: a few rewatches. But I know I could have called
Speaker 4: if we get another dog, we'll call him Hoggle. Hoggle
Speaker 4: who's from Hoggle's a Labyrinth character. But I yeah, Labyrinth
Speaker 4: was my favorite film grow up. And then Drop Dead
Speaker 4: Fred is Rick Mails my comedy hero and that film
Speaker 4: was accept Vison Drop Dead Fred.
Speaker 1: I've seen it, but it hasn't lived in my mind.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's a classic. I really struggled
Speaker 4: for that third one, and that in anyone who's watched it.
Speaker 4: There's one thing that I do hate is at the
Speaker 4: end of the film, they kiss, right, it's gross. He's
Speaker 4: her imaginary friend and he's a stupid, idiot goofball who
Speaker 4: destroys things and cuts ahead while she's a sleep and
Speaker 4: ruins her life. And then she tries to kill him
Speaker 4: by taking medication. So it's this, it's this whole thing
Speaker 4: about killing this this imagination side of yourself. And in
Speaker 4: the end they have this like a meeting in a
Speaker 4: dream world and he goes just kiss me and say
Speaker 4: job dead, Fred or something, and it's like, you didn't
Speaker 4: need to do that. It's like it's not nowhere else
Speaker 4: in the film is there anything kind of romantic, But otherwise.
Speaker 1: It feels like a possible studio note.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. It's weird, like he's not sexual,
Speaker 4: he's not a person, he's a weird being best friend
Speaker 4: guy whose head gets squished in a fridge and his
Speaker 4: and my favorite moment and dropped her friend is when
Speaker 4: he chases the pigeons around with a shovel guy, which
Speaker 4: one of you taught her how to do it. He
Speaker 4: said that they taught her how to have sex, and
Speaker 4: he's very mad about that.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing it because I was a massive young
Speaker 1: ones fan. Well, Rick, male, here we go. And I
Speaker 1: was at an age where when I first saw it
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, but well, why are you
Speaker 1: doing different things now? Why an't you being Rick?
Speaker 4: It's a telescope telescope? Yeah, yeah, it was clearly him
Speaker 4: under studio. Note you know, like a family friendly film,
Speaker 4: because are you? Did you get into Bottom as well?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, and like Guest House Paraducer was great,
Speaker 4: that's the movie that they that they did, but Bottom, like,
Speaker 4: it's dark and brutal and vicious.
Speaker 2: I've been to a car swapping party. A car swapping party, great,
Speaker 2: all the men stand around in a circle and throw
Speaker 2: their wives in the middle. Then you picked the one
Speaker 2: you want and she escorts you to your car.
Speaker 1: You're not married. I know. That's why I came home
Speaker 1: on the bus.
Speaker 4: So I feel like Drop Dead Friend was light? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Was that light for a family friendly audience?
Speaker 1: And if I was older when I watched, I would
Speaker 1: have you know, I would have gone, well, he's allowed
Speaker 1: to go and make a family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's definitely not talking about about, you know,
Speaker 4: killing himself and the people. Everyone's being devastated that the
Speaker 4: people's poet is dead.
Speaker 2: But Vick is dead.
Speaker 4: The people's poet is dead and it's accidentally laxatives. I mean,
Speaker 4: see this is this is beautiful colty. Young Ones.
Speaker 1: Go back.
Speaker 4: Anybody who hasn't see the Young Ones, go back and
Speaker 4: see that. Who's your I mean now I want to
Speaker 4: talk about the young Ones.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I mention the young on the other day because I
Speaker 1: kind of I said, for the uninitiated who maybe have
Speaker 1: not discovered Undie Donnah, who were a friend killing it
Speaker 1: on Netflix at the moment, go check out their show.
Speaker 1: I said. They're like a modern day kind of young Ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that they are, you know, subversive and hilarious
Speaker 1: and unpredictable.
Speaker 4: And super weird, just stuff that there's no why, you know,
Speaker 4: like in the young that you know, you watch stuff
Speaker 4: and you go you can just imagine if they probably
Speaker 4: must have had any Network notes too, you know, if
Speaker 4: someone went, why would you do that? Why have you
Speaker 4: got a carrot ice skating in the sink for twenty seconds?
Speaker 4: And they just just clused, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: there was a lot of stuff that's just I don't know,
Speaker 4: just just because and it's great and it's weird and
Speaker 4: My mind doesn't work like that, so that I really
Speaker 4: enjoy watching that kind of stuff because my mind always
Speaker 4: goes why. And I love that you can watch that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff and it's just like, well what happened
Speaker 4: if you just check these things together. But yeah, Rick Rick,
Speaker 4: that character, all of his characters, but young one Rick Britain. No, No,
Speaker 4: I always think his surname is Britain because you know
Speaker 4: when they go then they go on University Channel or something,
Speaker 4: Wick Britain.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what about Labyrinth? Oh, Labnth Why why Labyrinth?
Speaker 1: Did you see that? Young?
Speaker 4: Yes? That was when you rent movies from, you know,
Speaker 4: from the VHS. When you'd rent it, we'd always get
Speaker 4: Labynth or I think I taped it off the TV.
Speaker 4: I just watched it start to finish. It was like
Speaker 4: because I lived in the country and there was nothing
Speaker 4: to do and it was so boring, so it would often
Speaker 4: be running around with a stick, making up sort of
Speaker 4: fairy tale that kind of stuff. Adventures, you know, it's
Speaker 4: always about finding a key that fits something else and
Speaker 4: you've got to get something and all those kinds of shows.
Speaker 4: So that film was just start to finish, just adventure,
Speaker 4: fun weird characters, puppets, and I just loved it. Again,
Speaker 4: I have one problem with that film and Jim hence
Speaker 4: it was so good. Well, I used to have nightmares
Speaker 4: about the red things that could take their heads off.
Speaker 4: That scared me too much. I mightsto watch it quite young.
Speaker 4: They fire, Do you remember those things? They dance around
Speaker 4: a fire? Think and again, I didn't need there to
Speaker 4: be anything sexual with David Bowie and thinks there's a
Speaker 4: tren't like. I don't like romance in my films. I
Speaker 4: don't like anything sexual. I don't think I would be
Speaker 4: happy if no one has ever been seen on camera
Speaker 4: having sex. Ever, I would be happy. In every single
Speaker 4: film they just walked into a room and shut the door.
Speaker 4: I know what's happened. I don't need to see it.
Speaker 4: I just don't need to see it. If maybe someone
Speaker 4: could do a special cut of all films for me
Speaker 4: where it just goes blank and just goes Celia, you
Speaker 4: know what's going on until it comes back. I don't
Speaker 4: need to see any of that anyway. So my one
Speaker 4: problem with Labyrinth is right at the beginning. Sorry, I
Speaker 4: get so mad objection. She meets the tiny worm in
Speaker 4: the wall, and that character is brilliance, tiny warm that goes,
Speaker 4: come inside, I have a nice cup of tea, Come
Speaker 4: inside and meet the missus. Blah blah blah. And she
Speaker 4: asks it for the directions, and there's like a hole
Speaker 4: in the wall, and she goes in one direction and
Speaker 4: the worm goes, no, don't go that way, never go
Speaker 4: that way. And she goes, oh, thanks, and goes the
Speaker 4: other way, walks off, and then the worm goes, if
Speaker 4: she kept going going down that way, she would have
Speaker 4: gone straight to that castle, which I hate for two reasons.
Speaker 4: Number One, the worm is now talking to no one,
Speaker 4: makes sense, no sense. Secondly, I hate that you're told
Speaker 4: that there was a simple way that if she'd just
Speaker 4: gone that way, the whole movie wouldn't exist. There's a backdoor.
Speaker 4: She never had to go through this whole levement. There
Speaker 4: was all a complete waste, and I hate I really
Speaker 4: didn't like that. But other than that, I love it
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 1: Do you think the writers then meant that as a
Speaker 1: like you said, if she had gone that way, the
Speaker 1: movie wouldn't exist. It would be a very simple way
Speaker 1: of getting there. Do you think it was a joke
Speaker 1: or was it something more?
Speaker 4: No I do think it was a joke. I thought
Speaker 4: I just went, wouldn't it be weird because she doesn't
Speaker 4: know that she could have? And I that bugged me.
Speaker 4: I hate that there was an easy option and if
Speaker 4: she it was just luck because she didn't. And also
Speaker 4: the worm's talking to no one now. But I like
Speaker 4: that movie, but just that thet of it, Yeah, a puppetstone.
Speaker 1: That obey sometimes when there's no one else around.
Speaker 4: They do. And I love But if you watch it,
Speaker 4: like the quality of the puppetry in it stands up.
Speaker 4: It's so good and so clever. And there's a little
Speaker 4: guy I should have I haven't really thought about the
Speaker 4: guy who who guards the pit of stench, who has
Speaker 4: no sense of smell. He rides a dog. He's a
Speaker 4: little tiny puppet. I think he's like a fox. And
Speaker 4: he rides a dog and it's a real dog. So
Speaker 4: there's a few shots which are so funny where it's
Speaker 4: clearly like a toy stuck to a dog and they've
Speaker 4: just called the dog and it just flops about like
Speaker 4: a dog, a real dog running with a stuffed toy
Speaker 4: stuck on the back of it, dressed like a night
Speaker 4: That just brings me such joy.
Speaker 1: Well well played Labyrinth. I must I must go back
Speaker 1: and revisit that one, because I did say when I
Speaker 1: was young, and it hasn't resonated for me as much
Speaker 1: as it has some of another I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it as I say, I think it was a
Speaker 4: adventures I us. I just loved. That's how I passed
Speaker 4: the time, thinking about stories and adventures and that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff. There was another one, The Dark Crystal, which
Speaker 4: was around there at the same time, which was too scary.
Speaker 4: Is that one they made They made inter series which
Speaker 4: I have on It was so scary, the skexies, these
Speaker 4: vulture like terrifying monsters that suck souls. There just wasn't
Speaker 4: There was like one moment of sort of fun in
Speaker 4: that film where they fall off a cliff. There's a
Speaker 4: girl and a boy I can't remember what their creatures
Speaker 4: are called. They fall off a cliff and she starts
Speaker 4: flying and she's He's like, you can fly, and she goes,
Speaker 4: of course, silly, I'm a girl, like what so in
Speaker 4: the universe and girls of this creature can fly? I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's cool. But otherwise, terra terra, terra. So it was
Speaker 4: amazing and imprinted on me. But Labyrinth was had had
Speaker 4: elements of everything, and I think that's sort of the
Speaker 4: theme with me. Is I like, I like a compilation CDP,
Speaker 4: I like no sex, and I like a bit of
Speaker 4: everything else a bit of it. I'm like a tap,
Speaker 4: I like a Tapis film.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a good time to hear from my sponsors.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Jaws. Let's talk about Jaws. Let's
Speaker 1: get into it. I saw this when this film was
Speaker 1: released four days after I was born, when we that
Speaker 1: peet June twenty, nineteen seventy five. I was born on
Speaker 1: the sixteenth right, and I saw it in the cinema
Speaker 1: four days later. No, I saw it on VHS years later,
Speaker 1: and it frightened me. It really was. It had the
Speaker 1: impact that it was supposed to have.
Speaker 4: I'm really shocked at how frightening it was, which I
Speaker 4: think is just it's so clever, the build up of tension,
Speaker 4: Like when you actually think about it, there's not that
Speaker 4: many that the shark itself looks terrible. The fact that
Speaker 4: the terror comes from the combination of the music and
Speaker 4: just the shots, like I really know, you know, the
Speaker 4: focus pools of foreground and background and you know, having
Speaker 4: a the way the shots were sort of set up
Speaker 4: suggested something was going to have you know, you sort
Speaker 4: of was on edge the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the economy of it, like both at the
Speaker 1: start and at the end of this film, like it
Speaker 1: starts with the you know, there's some teenagers, young people
Speaker 1: at least having you know, the bonfire on the sand
Speaker 1: and the young the young girl and the young guy
Speaker 1: go away. They break away from the grien you know,
Speaker 1: we're not what's gonna happen. This is not you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen the post so we know that they're going
Speaker 1: to go into the water and one of them and
Speaker 1: they and then the guy gets drunk and he passes
Speaker 1: it and you just know and this is this dread
Speaker 1: it and she gets taken. I think Jaws does a
Speaker 1: little bit of an upskirting. Yeah it's going on there.
Speaker 1: Don't mean to, you know, the cancel costs are so much,
Speaker 1: but there was some sex besting going on and Jaws
Speaker 1: but you're you're right in that. So the idea was
Speaker 1: the shark was supposed to be in it the whole time,
Speaker 1: Like from the go, you're supposed to see the shark.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be very visible all the way
Speaker 1: through the movie. We don't actually see at my account,
Speaker 1: I've heard different red different things online that sometimes people
Speaker 1: are saying it doesn't appear to eighty minutes. I saw
Speaker 1: it pretty clearly come out of the water at about
Speaker 1: almost bang on an hour. It was a long time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So what happened was famously the shark was a ship house.
Speaker 1: They could like like it was always broken, never like
Speaker 1: never working. They're like, any of these scenes here waiting
Speaker 1: for the shark to come up, the shark will just
Speaker 1: never come Yeah. Richard Dreyfus speaks about he can still
Speaker 1: hear you know, you know, producers and the ads on
Speaker 1: the microphones going, the shark is not working. The shark
Speaker 1: is not and so they had to kind of make
Speaker 1: this film and they so they had the shark wasn't working,
Speaker 1: and they basically this shot point of view from the shark,
Speaker 1: you know, from the shark point of view. They count
Speaker 1: the idea, I think of the of the barrels, anything
Speaker 1: they could do to show the presence of the shark.
Speaker 1: The shark drags half a peer, yeah, which is.
Speaker 4: But that was amazing. That was a really I thought
Speaker 4: that was a really clever thing that you see the peer,
Speaker 4: the bit of peer that it's pulled off, turn around, coming.
Speaker 1: Back, Yeah, without ever seeing like So it's such a
Speaker 1: stroke of genius that they did like this. And I
Speaker 1: think we all probably assumed for a long time that
Speaker 1: this was a Spielberg being Spielberg, but this was out
Speaker 1: of desperation and the obviously John Williams does his score,
Speaker 1: which then even adds to it, like as to the feeling,
Speaker 1: because we've all been at the beach where you maybe
Speaker 1: you swun a bit further out than your thought of
Speaker 1: and looking down into the you know what you think
Speaker 1: is the abyss and it's a frightening it's a frightening feeling.
Speaker 1: And that is that is so prevalent in this movie.
Speaker 4: I was thinking, this is a long time. Last time
Speaker 4: I was at the beach and the water was in
Speaker 4: the water somewhere, and I thought, the ocean is even
Speaker 4: just if you're up to your ankles, is a terrifying.
Speaker 4: Is not a good place for a paranoid person, because
Speaker 4: anything that's in all the ocean could be at you,
Speaker 4: like you know what I mean, There is no you
Speaker 4: can't see like anything in the ocean could get you.
Speaker 4: The entire ocean could get you at the same time
Speaker 4: if it wanted, Like, you don't know, there's no offense,
Speaker 4: there's no nothing. You don't know. It's a completely unknown
Speaker 4: even if you're just under your ankles. Which I think
Speaker 4: they also did really well in this film, is that
Speaker 4: in your mind, you go, we have to be out farther,
Speaker 4: you know, the fact that they made it, but it
Speaker 4: can get you in like a centimeter of water.
Speaker 1: It really felt like because it's the fact that they says,
Speaker 1: is it true that most shark attacks happened with the Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he says yes, And I was like, is that
Speaker 1: really a fact?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I think the fact that we didn't see it,
Speaker 4: it's what this film benefited from is that we all
Speaker 4: sort of know what a shark looks like.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: If this was a murder mystery and you never saw
Speaker 4: the like we had no description of the guy, you'd
Speaker 4: be in trouble. Yeah, But it's like a shark. We're like, well,
Speaker 4: it's going to be big with big teeth, and you know,
Speaker 4: we can picture it. We can picture it. So that
Speaker 4: kind of helped it as well.
Speaker 1: But there's also a natural fear most of us have
Speaker 1: of sharks, like, we might not walk around fearing sharks,
Speaker 1: but the idea of being taken in the shark attack
Speaker 1: would have to be right up there in the worst
Speaker 1: ways to go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. And they spend a long time trying
Speaker 4: to get this shark in increasingly ridiculous ways when they're
Speaker 4: just supposed to punch it. I mean, why didn't.
Speaker 1: Anyone tell them should have been advised.
Speaker 4: I didn't tell them. That would have been the labyrinth
Speaker 4: worm of this film is if at the beginning they'd
Speaker 4: walked off going we've got it. Sorry, we can't talk
Speaker 4: right now, Bud, We've got to deal with a shark,
Speaker 4: and he went, well, maybe I could just punch it,
Speaker 4: and then too late they've gone.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that might happen in Jaws three.
Speaker 4: D Well, I mean, this is the other thing that
Speaker 4: I have not watched Jaws two and three, But I mean,
Speaker 4: is it just another is it a two more sharks?
Speaker 1: No, it's a new shark. Yeah, it's a new shark.
Speaker 1: And for memory, and the second one is kind of
Speaker 1: they basically try to just repeat Jaws, and then the
Speaker 1: third one is where they jump the shark. I feel
Speaker 1: they they they bring a shark into a like a
Speaker 1: sea world star, and the mother shark after them and
Speaker 1: takes revenge on them for you know, in prison, their
Speaker 1: shark baby shark.
Speaker 4: It's interesting as well that this film that they had
Speaker 4: to come up with it to make this a whole
Speaker 4: film to go for as long as it is, because
Speaker 4: it has such a simple solution, which you stay out
Speaker 4: of the water. Like when you think about it, you're like,
Speaker 4: all right, when I feel about a shark, well, to
Speaker 4: make it plausible that they'd go, well, the solution is
Speaker 4: just don't go with the water, because then there's no movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but I think they did really really
Speaker 1: well at holding once theys right now, as soon as
Speaker 1: it's a shark attack, the beach is closed, yeah you know,
Speaker 1: and and so yeah that girl gets taken, her body
Speaker 1: gonna washes up. Sure it should be okay, beach is
Speaker 1: closed and everyone should be on board.
Speaker 4: Yeah, surely.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But they do a really good job at prolonging and
Speaker 1: they need because they need they need to obviously, So
Speaker 1: you have the skinny dipping and then the mayor says
Speaker 1: it's a boating accident, and even though the current has
Speaker 1: already told the chief Chief Brody that no, this was
Speaker 1: a shark attack, and he's written that up with missus ghostbusters,
Speaker 1: and then the coroner backflips. He's obviously being spoken to
Speaker 1: because he wasn't a.
Speaker 4: Shark with a nine year old karate kid karate turd deare.
Speaker 1: So because obviously they did really well that July. The
Speaker 1: fourth of July is coming up regatta and it's done
Speaker 1: nicely with banners and posters around, and you've got Mayor
Speaker 1: Vaughan who's kind of saying, you know, this summer this, this,
Speaker 1: this is all about summer. This, this town exists on
Speaker 1: summer dollars in the tourism, so you can't shut the
Speaker 1: beach down. And then and then the kids get the
Speaker 1: kid gets taken and you have that scene which is
Speaker 1: kind of I must say I almost giggled at the
Speaker 1: at first when the mother comes up in full black. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems it felt almost comical to me. And then
Speaker 1: she actually takes up and it performs. He's really good,
Speaker 1: and you kind of go, oh, that's actually really powerful.
Speaker 4: Yeah. She was an interesting choice I thought for that casting.
Speaker 4: She seemed a lot older to have a little which
Speaker 4: is great. I mean, you know, of the time. And
Speaker 4: I also point as well because that scene reminded me
Speaker 4: there was some pretty incredible extra work going on in
Speaker 4: this film whenever they when they panic in the water,
Speaker 4: when they put just a lot of the screaming and
Speaker 4: the pushing the children out of the way, like like there.
Speaker 1: Was a lot of a lot of George Costanza going
Speaker 1: a lot of pushing kids.
Speaker 4: There really was. I found that really remarkable that they
Speaker 4: were so scared when it happened. They're like, if you
Speaker 4: were that scared, you wouldn't be in the water. I
Speaker 4: thought that went a bit a bit a bit, just
Speaker 4: get out. There was one girl who didn't even She
Speaker 4: said like oh wow, and just started swimming away and
Speaker 4: didn't scream shark. So anyway, there's some really good background work.
Speaker 1: There was one woman as well who held her baby
Speaker 1: or toddler in her arms and then screamed and everyone
Speaker 1: rushed past out of the water.
Speaker 4: Totally fun.
Speaker 1: You can still scream, but just move forward, but they did.
Speaker 4: They did. That wasn't really I felt a really powerful
Speaker 4: moment when the kid when that before when he got
Speaker 4: taken the kid, everyone running into the beach and going no,
Speaker 4: everyone knowing someone had been taken and just waiting for
Speaker 4: who hasn't come back out of the water, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, because they did a really good misdirect
Speaker 4: where you think it's going to be Chief Brodie's kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and watching it last night, I'd forgotten if it was,
Speaker 1: and I was wanting to remind myself, is that this
Speaker 1: one of these kids get taken?
Speaker 4: Ye. Also I just remembered and the fact that he
Speaker 4: doesn't like water, Like there's so many things in this film.
Speaker 4: I'm like that that's awesome, but extra little, I know.
Speaker 1: But the thing I would argue about that is because,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, the script wasn't finished. I was
Speaker 1: still working on the scrip. This was a Hallish production,
Speaker 1: and I reckon there are some touches in this script,
Speaker 1: and they're very Spielberg familiar Spielberg kind of things about
Speaker 1: you always make sure the families not quite you know,
Speaker 1: completely happy family. You know, like et there's a dad
Speaker 1: who's not there on the scene and most of his
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of broken families. This is
Speaker 1: not a broken family. But they've moved from somewhere else
Speaker 1: to Amity. We're not even sure why. And I think
Speaker 1: if if they had more time to give the script
Speaker 1: another pass, they would maybe kind of strengthen up some
Speaker 1: of those threads. We're not sure why they've moved to Amity.
Speaker 4: Well, I know, I think there's one hint of it,
Speaker 4: which when he's drunk on the boat, because he has
Speaker 4: to get drunk to go to go out on the water,
Speaker 4: and he says, is like, in the big city there's
Speaker 4: so much crime, we can't make a difference, but here
Speaker 4: a man can make a difference, right, something like that.
Speaker 4: So I feel like that was the not is that
Speaker 4: whether something happened in the city. That's what I thought.
Speaker 4: That's why they came there, as he was like, had
Speaker 4: been somewhere really busy and felt like he wasn't making
Speaker 4: a difference and went to be the big fish in
Speaker 4: a small pond, as it were.
Speaker 1: And then why is he scared of water?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I they didn't say anything about it,
Speaker 4: which I think is a.
Speaker 5: Really big thing.
Speaker 1: And he hates boats, but he actually kind of handles
Speaker 1: himself pretty well on the bat. But yeah, pretty rarely
Speaker 1: do you see him really like killinging on like unnecessarily
Speaker 1: would maybe if you had a fear of boats. Yeah, water,
Speaker 1: but considering there's a killer shark. True, I feel like, again,
Speaker 1: if they just had another more time with that scripts,
Speaker 1: I mean, they would have explored why. If that film
Speaker 1: was made now, you would have very the audience under
Speaker 1: no illusions as to why cheap Broady hates water and
Speaker 1: hates boats.
Speaker 4: Maybe they didn't need to do that because if we
Speaker 4: believe that that he hates water and eats bots, You're right,
Speaker 4: why did he go with them when he hired the
Speaker 4: guy due to the end of Bite. He didn't need
Speaker 4: to go. He's not an expert the other guys in it.
Speaker 4: He wants to go. He wants to see the shark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically a pirate and the marine biologists like.
Speaker 4: That's your shark fighting team. And then a guy who
Speaker 4: doesn't want to be there or know what he's doing.
Speaker 4: Do you get in the way? Mate? He doesn't how
Speaker 4: to tie not get the cheap like. You can't give
Speaker 4: anyone a ticket. You're not going to arrest the shark.
Speaker 4: If the shark needed to be arrested, then I understand why.
Speaker 1: They're But yeah, why was he there if there was
Speaker 1: going to be a scene with Jaws with his fins
Speaker 1: behind his back being handcuffed by Roy Scheider. That would
Speaker 1: be great, but to get back to Yeah, So the
Speaker 1: way they prolong and then they catch because they catch
Speaker 1: the shark and they think that's a great moment. They think,
Speaker 1: oh they've caught Jaws and and they're celebrating. You know,
Speaker 1: everything's back on. The mayor's happy, that the sheriff, Chief
Speaker 1: Brady is happy. But then you know, Richard Drapus comes
Speaker 1: and informs them that's not the shark, which is which
Speaker 1: is great. It's great to have that moment and then like, no,
Speaker 1: that the danger's still out there. But it allows everyone
Speaker 1: to go back. You've got all the tourists coming in,
Speaker 1: so you see they look like a smorgasboard arriving on boats.
Speaker 4: The reason why you know that shark is not the
Speaker 4: shark is because it looks like a shark, because we
Speaker 4: all know the one in the water who's actually eating
Speaker 4: people looks like a suitcase with the tea. So you're like, well,
Speaker 4: that's not it. That's that's a real shark. The way
Speaker 4: we're fighting is made of played it. But that was
Speaker 4: that was nice. But we going, like you were mentioned
Speaker 4: about about, so it's the economy. So the way they
Speaker 4: set up, not because me if my flight make kellyf stick.
Speaker 4: Can I watched this together, She's watched a million times.
Speaker 4: She was very excited for me to live it for
Speaker 4: the first time. And you're just screaming, just shut the
Speaker 4: just shut the beach, just shut the beach. Which is
Speaker 4: a very interesting time for this when we're both in
Speaker 4: Melbourne and been in lockdown, well.
Speaker 1: Anywhere in the world. I mean this like I was
Speaker 1: just my mind was blown. I've never thought of Jaws
Speaker 1: as being like a parable for the pandemic.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, there's a danger out there and what do you do.
Speaker 4: Do you choose the economy or do you protect the
Speaker 4: people who are going to who are going to be
Speaker 4: affected by it? The help And because I tweeted at
Speaker 4: the time, don't mind telling you had how to wine
Speaker 4: if I ever do a tweets because I've had a
Speaker 4: wine and I was like, I'm watching Jaws. If Dan
Speaker 4: Andrews was the mayor, you better believe he would have
Speaker 4: closed the beach because in Melwa under a very I
Speaker 4: believe the correct course of better safe than sorry in
Speaker 4: terms of putting health first before the before businesses and stuff.
Speaker 4: But it was fascinating and people understandably upset because you know,
Speaker 4: you don't want to shut the beach. No one wants
Speaker 4: to shut the beach, but unfortunately does kill shark out there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you're definitely going to get eaten. And the more
Speaker 4: of you going the beach, the more of you're going
Speaker 4: to get eaten. And then the more it eats more,
Speaker 4: it's going to keep coming back because this is a
Speaker 4: great restaurant because it keeps putting kids and men also.
Speaker 4: But I felt bad for the guy, you know, when
Speaker 4: they go into the pond. When the kids go into
Speaker 4: the pond, are like because that's apparently the safe area,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, God, there's so much did this film
Speaker 4: because that was after the kids pretend to be the shark.
Speaker 4: What shit?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, shit, seriously, let's come back to that prank.
Speaker 1: But yes, the pond, the shark got in the pond.
Speaker 4: The shark it in the pond, and the kids are
Speaker 4: doing or not and then some guy in a widow
Speaker 4: in a little rowboat. It's like, hey, you're tying a knot?
Speaker 4: Do you need help tying that knot? And then he
Speaker 4: gets it, he gets in and no one is upset, like,
Speaker 4: no one cares about that guy. That guy's got no
Speaker 4: mum in a veil, coming up and slapping the chief.
Speaker 4: He's just some dude who just in my mind, he's
Speaker 4: a creep He's a creepy creeper. Who. That's how he
Speaker 4: that's how he talks to kids. Yeah, he starts by going, hey,
Speaker 4: let me help you tie that not and then it's
Speaker 4: like get get him my boat. So in my mind,
Speaker 4: I'd like to think that that that. I'm glad he
Speaker 4: got eaten.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was the backstory for that actor.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the other thing about the the parallels of twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: I thought even the idea that the mayor is more
Speaker 1: focused on catching the graffiti whoever did the graffiti on
Speaker 1: the Oh yeah, it's another distract. I'm not focusing on
Speaker 1: what needs to be done. And this is maybe lends
Speaker 1: itself to more parallel with what's happening in the States
Speaker 1: in other parts of the world. But this is this
Speaker 1: idea of life. No, it's not. It's not the real
Speaker 1: issue here. The real issue is a graffiti we need
Speaker 1: to catch. We catch that, we need to take care
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and everything's fine, don't you don't want to panic
Speaker 4: peel like that that you don't want to panic people,
Speaker 4: whereas no, you should absolutely should be panicking people. It's fine,
Speaker 4: it's probably fine. No, No, but that choice of going
Speaker 4: let's just pretend it's fine and maybe it will be
Speaker 4: versus this is an inevitable thing that needs action taken.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what is what is the the go back
Speaker 1: to that prank? What is the shittiest prank you've ever pulled?
Speaker 1: Have you ever pulled?
Speaker 6: No, I'm not a prank I'm not a prankster, and
Speaker 6: I hate pranks being pulled on it because you never
Speaker 6: know where someone is in there in their day or
Speaker 6: how they're gonna react, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: You never know what's gonna you get. You know, I
Speaker 4: was thinking that one you know on YouTube where there's
Speaker 4: a guy like in a bin and he jumps out
Speaker 4: and goes, yeah this kid, and the kid just punches
Speaker 4: it and he passes out back into the bin. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what you get, Like, that's you You can't risk
Speaker 4: you know, the confidence that they're going to go. You're
Speaker 4: so funny. So I don't think I've pulled any pranks.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the worst one. This is not for me.
Speaker 1: I'm not a prankster really either. My this is the way.
Speaker 1: And my brother in law hates me telling this story,
Speaker 1: and I think my sister does as well, but he
Speaker 1: hasn't listened. So years ago, and I'll say this at
Speaker 1: the start. My my, my sister, and my brother in
Speaker 1: law are still together, be married twenty years and three
Speaker 1: beautiful kids. But before they had kids, you know, they're
Speaker 1: obviously trying to get pregnant, and you know, obviously stressful time.
Speaker 1: My sister goes and does a previous test, she weeds
Speaker 1: on the stick. Yeah, she comes out and she just
Speaker 1: waits and my brother and lasses, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. He goes in and draws no
Speaker 1: whatever it is that means it's hardly like a red
Speaker 1: line or two red lines, and then like yes, sneaks
Speaker 1: back out, and my sister goes in to check it
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh my god, we're pregnant.
Speaker 5: We're pregnant.
Speaker 1: What is amazing. It's amazing, and he's like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I think, you know, at the point sometimes
Speaker 1: when you realize that you're you're pregnant, the joke is ship,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, listen, just jokes. It's just a joke.
Speaker 4: That is.
Speaker 1: That he is a cracking blow. I couldn't ask for
Speaker 1: a better brother in law. But and he likes a joke.
Speaker 1: But that is next level.
Speaker 4: That is was she mad?
Speaker 1: I mean she was she forgave him, you know. But
Speaker 1: and you know, like I said earlier, three beautiful children,
Speaker 1: I have one.
Speaker 4: I mean the closer way we've got is I tried
Speaker 4: when I was a kid, I tried to frame my
Speaker 4: sister because we had we had a piano and it
Speaker 4: was the one thing in the house that was you
Speaker 4: kids messed with that piano and she done something and
Speaker 4: I carved her name into the piano. Oh they were like,
Speaker 4: and she was like it was Celia. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: why would I write her? Doesn't make sense? But no,
Speaker 4: that prank those do you know how I knew it
Speaker 4: was a prank. So this is when I think in
Speaker 4: terms of the music. And I don't know, this might
Speaker 4: be wrong, but I feel like watching it, you only
Speaker 4: hear the dinner music when it's actually there, right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So when that happened, because there's a lot of mistress,
Speaker 4: I say, you like, is it gonna be there?
Speaker 1: Ye, a wet suit and there yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But that's but if there's no music, it's definite
Speaker 4: that the music means it's definitely real. So that when
Speaker 4: you saw the Finn, I was like, and but there
Speaker 4: was no music. I was like, there's something up.
Speaker 1: That's well read.
Speaker 4: But that look that was It was funny though. The
Speaker 4: kid when they when they're busses being kids, they almost
Speaker 4: got shot, like it was really fly. They could have
Speaker 4: got shot. If I was those kids' parents, oh my goodness,
Speaker 4: they would be in so much trouble. But they were
Speaker 4: also quite equipped. They look like they're about twelve, but
Speaker 4: they're in wet suits, snorks and stuff. They had like
Speaker 4: they had like you know, night vision goggles. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but it was funny and they get busted and the
Speaker 4: little one goes you made me do it? You know?
Speaker 1: It was good.
Speaker 4: I thought it was a nice little moment.
Speaker 1: Did you There were a couple of Aussie alerts. You
Speaker 1: there's one. There's one kind of a behind the scenes
Speaker 1: one which is interesting, but you did you there's a
Speaker 1: point in where Richard Dreyfuss is on the phone and
Speaker 1: he's screaming when everything's going a bit kind of crazy
Speaker 1: and they really know everyone's on board. There's a killer
Speaker 1: shark that needs to be found. He yells into the phote.
Speaker 1: I can't come to Brisbane, Australia because we have a
Speaker 1: great white shark here.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I did not know. I mean I swam
Speaker 4: on past that.
Speaker 1: That's it's Brisbane.
Speaker 4: Richard was great by the way. I thought he was fabulous.
Speaker 4: I liked his character. It was good very much.
Speaker 1: It was comedic, had some fun.
Speaker 4: Even though I'm like, every time I look at it,
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're mister Holland's opus is when I remember
Speaker 4: him from.
Speaker 1: And also I kind of I mean, I don't really care,
Speaker 1: but he he had a weird thing recently. I meant
Speaker 1: to google it. This remind myself. I'm really like, I'm
Speaker 1: the best person to tell secret to or you know,
Speaker 1: to disgrace you something fun because I forget.
Speaker 4: It's really me too, the number of times some said
Speaker 4: something to me and I've gone, who said that? You
Speaker 4: did shit that?
Speaker 1: Richard Dreyfuss came on the project and he did an
Speaker 1: interview and and he was asked and I wasn't on
Speaker 1: this night, somebody else. I won't try to nominate who
Speaker 1: it was. But he was asked about which he had
Speaker 1: been told, we will ask these people have been told
Speaker 1: about me too? Was in the METO was a hot thing,
Speaker 1: and I think there had been some, you know, some
Speaker 1: rumors or stories about his own behavior over the years.
Speaker 1: And he gave a really well considered answer, like we
Speaker 1: were very impressed, you know, with how he framed his response.
Speaker 1: And then he gets off and he kind of tweets
Speaker 1: something about I have just been actually might have been
Speaker 1: on TV. It might have been on arrival today's show.
Speaker 1: The next morning he said, I was I was mugged
Speaker 1: as TV last night, And he's like, you were making
Speaker 1: all these questions were actually provided to your management.
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's disappointing.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, that was a weird time
Speaker 1: for everybody. You know, obviously he hadn't been told. It's
Speaker 1: his manager's fault, but I just kind of thought to
Speaker 1: go on and say, you've been you that's not that's
Speaker 1: not a real mugging. I don't think.
Speaker 4: No, that's disappointing. Well, let's let him live in nineteen
Speaker 4: seventies Richard Dreyfuss, because I liked his like his look.
Speaker 4: He's got his little he's got a little pop belly.
Speaker 4: He had a real sort of gnome Ish vibe to him.
Speaker 4: He sort of track suits a little traxit it.
Speaker 1: Almost like a Paul Gmaty kind of going on.
Speaker 4: Yes, he's weird shaped spectacles. And also the other man,
Speaker 4: who's the guy who gets it? What is his name?
Speaker 4: The man? The hunter Man?
Speaker 1: Oh, the hunter Man is is he likes to be famous?
Speaker 4: And I don't know.
Speaker 1: Robert Shaw, he is incredible. He was like from Russia
Speaker 1: with love.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: He was in the sting maybe like a whole heap
Speaker 1: of you know, like a British Irish actor.
Speaker 4: Am I wrong? Though? It was brilliant. I was just
Speaker 4: thinking about that speech. I mean the two speeches, you know,
Speaker 4: and the chalkboard moment. I didn't know it was from
Speaker 4: this film, Like that's one of those references I've seen
Speaker 4: in a million other things. Yes, and I didn't know
Speaker 4: that's where it was from.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's almost comical to watch it now,
Speaker 1: but that's like this is where it kind of started
Speaker 1: that idea.
Speaker 4: But he's like that speech was like he's just the
Speaker 4: control that just when he was talking the power and
Speaker 4: everything he said. It was just captivating that his speech
Speaker 4: about the shark. I was watching that, and I could
Speaker 4: picture it written down and thought, that would be so
Speaker 4: hard if you got given this monologue to not to
Speaker 4: talk through the taking you time and be like it's
Speaker 4: got dead ass like a shot. So it's like that
Speaker 4: whole story about you know, eleven hundred men went into
Speaker 4: the water and just that that whole it was incredible
Speaker 4: and brave. I thought to have such a long speech,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, you don't really see in
Speaker 4: movies now feels like you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: And I completely when I watched it when I was young,
Speaker 1: I completely missed that. I was like, get back to
Speaker 1: the shark's side is one of the boring bits. It
Speaker 1: is one of the boring bits back of the Shark.
Speaker 1: And then when I watched it, like years I watched it.
Speaker 1: Probably the last time I watched it was about six
Speaker 1: to eight years ago with two of my old older
Speaker 1: boys who loved it. And that was when I first
Speaker 1: paid attention to that speech. And it's an amazing speech.
Speaker 1: It's about the and I had no idea about this
Speaker 1: point in history, the USS Indianapolis.
Speaker 4: No is it real? Is it a real?
Speaker 1: A real thing? So they go they go to the
Speaker 1: deliver the innards and some of the parts for the
Speaker 1: Little Boy, which is basically a part of Hiroshima to
Speaker 1: be dropped, you know, tragically. And it's July nineteen forty five.
Speaker 1: I think on their way back, they get torpedoed by
Speaker 1: the Japanese. It sinks in twelve minutes. There's twelve hundred
Speaker 1: crewman on board. Three hundred went down with the ship.
Speaker 1: So you got you got eight hundred and ninety people
Speaker 1: in the water. It's they're in there for four days
Speaker 1: until the Navy find and nobody knows. It's a secret mission,
Speaker 1: so nobody knows. There's no distress.
Speaker 4: Believe that's real. I was like, this is a great
Speaker 4: thing to a horror full story to add this shark movie.
Speaker 4: It's truly terrible news.
Speaker 1: Peach. So they are surrounded by sharks, dying from hypothermia.
Speaker 1: They got no food or drink, They've only got the
Speaker 1: clothes on their back. And so in the end, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the three hundred eight ninety went into the water.
Speaker 1: Three and sixteen survived, so a lot of them were
Speaker 1: taken by by sharks. So the Navy eventually saw them.
Speaker 1: He here four days, four days into it.
Speaker 4: That is so upsetting that that's real.
Speaker 1: God damn, it is a magnificent speech. I mean, I
Speaker 1: actually organized that. I'm so glad you liked it, because
Speaker 1: let's have a listen to that speech by Robert Shaw
Speaker 1: playing Quin in Jaws.
Speaker 3: Very first lab chief shoffs conclusive. So we formed ourselves
Speaker 3: into tight groups, you know, like gold squared in the
Speaker 3: battle like you see in the calendar and the Battle
Speaker 3: of Waterloo. And the idea was, shark comes the nearest
Speaker 3: man man managed to bounding, hollering and screaming. Sometimes the shark, golly,
Speaker 3: sometimes he wouldn't go. Sometimes that sharky looks right into you,
Speaker 3: right into your eyes. You know the thing about the
Speaker 3: Shocky's got lifeless eyes, black eyes like a doll's eye.
Speaker 3: When he comes at you, doesn't seem to be living
Speaker 3: until he bites you, and those black eyes roll over white.
Speaker 3: And then oh, then you hear that terrible, high pitched screaming.
Speaker 3: The ocean turns red in spite of all the pounding
Speaker 3: in the holler, and they all come in. They repeated
Speaker 3: pieces nobody internet first Doorn lost a hundred men. I
Speaker 3: don't know how many shocks, maybe a thousand. I don't
Speaker 3: know how many men. They averaged six an hour on
Speaker 3: Thursday morning, Chief I bumped into a friend of mine,
Speaker 3: Herbie Robinson from Cleveland baseball player Bozen's mate. I thought
Speaker 3: he was asleep. He'd still be to wake him up.
Speaker 3: Bobbed up and down in the water. It's like a
Speaker 3: kind of top up ended. Well, he'd been bitten in half.
Speaker 3: Behold the waist. Noon the fifth day, mister Luck, he'd
Speaker 3: been tour So she swung and low and he saw
Speaker 3: us to the young part of Luck, younger than mister Hooper. Anyway,
Speaker 3: he saw us, and he come in low and three
Speaker 3: hours later a big fat pby comes down and start
Speaker 3: to pick us up. You know, that was the time
Speaker 3: I was most frightened waiting for my turn. I'll never
Speaker 3: put on a life check it again. So eleven hundred
Speaker 3: men went in the were three hundred and sixteen men
Speaker 3: come out of the sharks took the rest. During the
Speaker 3: twenty ninth, nineteen forty five, anyway, delivered the bum.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 4: I mean the fact that it was powerful before, but
Speaker 4: knowing it's real, and it is unfortunate with how serious
Speaker 4: and upsetting and horrific that is. That unfortunately that actor
Speaker 4: does pronounce the word bomb, like bum that was that
Speaker 4: that's that's a shame. But otherwise that is the most incredible.
Speaker 4: But like think of when what other film has a
Speaker 4: monologue that that long?
Speaker 1: When we you know, we really play that length of speeches.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, you have to take it all in
Speaker 1: and you're right, this this is a blockbuster. Well before
Speaker 1: they it's the first blockbuster, but they knew what they
Speaker 1: were making. They were making it like a They probably
Speaker 1: thought they're making a big action film. And and to
Speaker 1: put that monologue in there is just.
Speaker 4: Like from memory, like one shot, it's one take.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
Speaker 4: Man, imagine how many bloody audition piece people would have
Speaker 4: used that as their audition piece in the seventies.
Speaker 1: So they got that, they got somebody to write that
Speaker 1: speech who I think had been involved or had some
Speaker 1: involvement or some knowledge of the Indianapolis USS Indianapolis. So
Speaker 1: they wrote that. I think it came out as eight pages,
Speaker 1: and then Robert Shaw himself edited down to four pages.
Speaker 1: And then and then he was an alcoholic. Robert Shaw
Speaker 1: continuing the fine tradition of English actors of that generation,
Speaker 1: and he asked Steven Spielberg if he could have a
Speaker 1: few drinks before he delivered that speech. Really yeah, and
Speaker 1: he he tries to deliver the speech, he's a little
Speaker 1: bit too pissed, and they called off shooting. They said
Speaker 1: we can't shoot anymore. And he rings Spielberg that night
Speaker 1: and says, did I completely humiliate myself?
Speaker 4: Are you serious?
Speaker 3: This is the bear?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then Spielberg says it's not fatal, but we
Speaker 1: can get Let's go again tomorrow, and he arrives the
Speaker 1: next day completely sober and delivers.
Speaker 4: That I mean that makes me feel physically ill and
Speaker 4: then wonderful, you know, I mean, like that's the nightmare
Speaker 4: scenario is on set, just like everyone going, we can't
Speaker 4: because you can't do it, So can't everyone go home?
Speaker 4: We can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let mcgregors up.
Speaker 4: Had some clough syrup and he's like, I can do it.
Speaker 1: We'll go home and try to get tomorrow. The great
Speaker 1: thing about that scene, though it starts off when they're
Speaker 1: comparing injuries. That's great, you know, and it's there's a
Speaker 1: few purposes going on here. It's kind of humanizing Quint
Speaker 1: probably specifically, who up until that stage is a bit
Speaker 1: of a you know, parody almost like you know, he's
Speaker 1: a bit parody and you're not really sure. You're not
Speaker 1: really sure if you like him or not. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he's getting on Hooper's nerves in particular, and it also
Speaker 1: brings the group together so they feel like a team
Speaker 1: after this. It also reinforces the fear of sharks and
Speaker 1: how how brutal these beasts are. That line I'll never
Speaker 1: wear another LFE jacket again, you know, And and the.
Speaker 4: Fact that it's the true story is just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I like that because that was you know, I liked,
Speaker 4: as I say, the chief did not need to be
Speaker 4: in this on the boat at all at this point,
Speaker 4: but because I'm interested in the story, it's more of
Speaker 4: the bonding and the respect between Hooper and him. That's
Speaker 4: the he was like, you got rich man hands, and
Speaker 4: he's like, I don't need this working class bullshit, like
Speaker 4: they're both set up as but then when they share
Speaker 4: their different scars, that's the sort of respect and the
Speaker 4: sing song And from now on my cheers will always
Speaker 4: be he's just women with bow leged women. But then,
Speaker 4: but yeah, that that is such a great backstage story
Speaker 4: as well, that he that he had to come and
Speaker 4: do it aget, because that's hard. That's such a long,
Speaker 4: like one take that is so I know, people who
Speaker 4: theater will be like, yeah, that's that's doing a play.
Speaker 4: You just do long stuff like that. But to be
Speaker 4: able to in a blockbuster film hold the attention on
Speaker 4: one shot with one person talking with some music, but
Speaker 4: that's it is really wonderful.
Speaker 1: I'm sure for you. I've gone through the stages with
Speaker 1: stand up where I'm like, I need to have a
Speaker 1: drink before I go on stage, just just to kind
Speaker 1: of shake off the day, you know, just to kind
Speaker 1: of feel like, Okay, it's not the show beers. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, i might have been at work, i
Speaker 1: might have been at home with the kids, but now
Speaker 1: I'm backstage. I'm gonna have a beer and you can
Speaker 1: get yourself into it. You know, this is as far
Speaker 1: as Robert Shaw. You're feeling like you needed a few
Speaker 1: drinks to get through this. You can't get yourself into
Speaker 1: a stage of going. It becomes like a you know,
Speaker 1: a crutch. You need to do it.
Speaker 4: For me, it's more prominent with doing have you been
Speaker 4: paying attention?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: I don't do it anymore because I used it. Because
Speaker 4: the thing with you know, whenever you're on any panel show,
Speaker 4: the pitch is always the same. They go, we wanted
Speaker 4: to feel like a dinner party. We wanted to feel
Speaker 4: like a fun dinner party. And I'm like, well, I
Speaker 4: have a fun and dinner party, won't bit tipsy. So
Speaker 4: I used to, you know, have a wine before doing
Speaker 4: have a bit, and then I would get more paranoid
Speaker 4: because because I get I get really into it. Anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then i'd finish afterwards, I'd be like, because I
Speaker 4: always have anxiety whenever I finished tape and going was
Speaker 4: funny enough to I say, something done, you just can't
Speaker 4: help it. And if I know I'd had a drink,
Speaker 4: I'd be like, oh, and also there's that mad was
Speaker 4: so now I haven't. I don't have a drink at all,
Speaker 4: and it's way better because I know I can do
Speaker 4: it without it and I just don't have that extra
Speaker 4: anxiety of it. But for a long time it was like,
Speaker 4: I can't do it without it. And then I went,
Speaker 4: let's just try and then have one afterwards, obviously, but yeah,
Speaker 4: that was that was that was something that I was like,
Speaker 4: it was maybe forelad to go, oh, no, I can
Speaker 4: do it without it. It's fine.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I always have a drink during and and
Speaker 1: and it's and it's great, and they were happy for
Speaker 1: you to do that. But the last time we were
Speaker 1: on on a few weeks ago, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: actually I won't have one today, and it was and
Speaker 1: there was part of me and because I had a
Speaker 1: pretty big nutform, so I was like, I probably don't
Speaker 1: need it, and and of course it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't drink before I go and did
Speaker 1: a project each night. But sometimes you get yourself in
Speaker 1: this kind of position where you like it's almost becomes
Speaker 1: a superstition.
Speaker 4: Sometimes, Yeah, but then Steven Spielberg gets mad at you
Speaker 4: and about it. I think, I think that would stop
Speaker 4: me doing anything. But if I've got a phone call
Speaker 4: from Steven spielgo.
Speaker 1: Santa Claros and a calling since Spielberg, that's me.
Speaker 4: Actually, if Santo called me and said he was disappointed
Speaker 4: in me, I think I might die.
Speaker 1: That would be a heartbreaking hit.
Speaker 4: The other thing I wanted to say about this film
Speaker 4: before i'd not having not seen it and knowing what
Speaker 4: it was, that I was surprised because I was waiting
Speaker 4: for We're going to need a bigger boat. And that's
Speaker 4: not what he says exactly, Like, it's not a moment.
Speaker 4: Like the way that it's set up is it's like
Speaker 4: every every time it's in a reference in something else,
Speaker 4: someone looks at something and then they pause and they go,
Speaker 4: we're going to need a bigger boat. And it's so
Speaker 4: I was waiting for this moment. But when he actually
Speaker 4: says it in the film, it's not even a close up.
Speaker 4: He just's it's like we and then another boat, right,
Speaker 4: and it moves on like it's not. It's really interesting
Speaker 4: to me that that became a takeaway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no there's no move into that line.
Speaker 4: It's not like it's not made a moment in the film,
Speaker 4: but it has been outside of the film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to need a p He refrains it
Speaker 1: a couple of times. It becomes like a.
Speaker 4: Year, now we get a bigger boat. Now we should
Speaker 4: get a bigger boat of something. But it wasn't it
Speaker 4: was weird. And then I mean, what else don't need
Speaker 4: to talk about the guy And then the guy gets it.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously we're doing spoilers in this, the poor
Speaker 4: quinck getting getting eaten. How did you feel about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I assumed and I thought I remembered
Speaker 1: it happening. I think at that time, the first time
Speaker 1: I saw it, I was probably horrified. What's interesting is
Speaker 1: the fact that Hooper survives, and there's a story behind
Speaker 1: that as well, because in the book, this is based
Speaker 1: on a book.
Speaker 4: There's a book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Peter eventually. I think it's Peter eventually.
Speaker 1: So he wrote writes his best seller selling book. But
Speaker 1: the book's quite in a way. Okay, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of sword inness about the book, and you actually have
Speaker 1: something in common with Stephen Spielberg. Steven Spielberg hates exploring
Speaker 1: sex in his if you think about it, like sex
Speaker 1: is never kind of part of it.
Speaker 4: Don't need it. It ruins everything.
Speaker 1: So in the book, in the book, Hooper sleeps, has
Speaker 1: an affair with Chief Brodie's.
Speaker 4: Wife that's unnecessary, and he's.
Speaker 1: Supposed to die in the shark cage. In the book,
Speaker 1: you kind of feel like, okay, you know, okay, he
Speaker 1: just deserts in a way. Spielberg didn't like any of that,
Speaker 1: and he basically uses the third act of the book
Speaker 1: and that's when things get serious about the shark. You know,
Speaker 1: and so he takes that in a similar way The
Speaker 1: Godfather French for a. Coppola took like this, got rid
Speaker 1: of a lot of stuff in that Mario Puzo's book
Speaker 1: The Godfather and this and kind of wrote a lot
Speaker 1: of new stuff himself and this disregarded so much of
Speaker 1: that book, and and Spielberg did the same. So so
Speaker 1: when he goes down into and this is a really
Speaker 1: fascinating story and it's also our second Ossieolt because they
Speaker 1: they he goes down into the k with a cage,
Speaker 1: and they're like, how this is not working, Like the
Speaker 1: shark looks shit and and like what what can we do?
Speaker 1: And somebody came up the suggestion of going, why don't
Speaker 1: we like get some people to shoot some real sharks,
Speaker 1: some real sharks in the cage. And it's yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's not gonna it's gonna you know, we can't get
Speaker 1: like this a twenty five foot shark. We're not going
Speaker 1: to find them. So they came with an idea. At
Speaker 1: first it was a joke, but they actually went with it.
Speaker 1: Check this out. They decided, okay, how about we play
Speaker 1: with perspective, So let's get a smaller cage and put
Speaker 1: a little person in there.
Speaker 4: No, they did.
Speaker 1: A little person in off the coast of our great
Speaker 1: nation Australia. In Britain Australia. There was a great right
Speaker 1: and Valerie Taylor end up shooting this vision and it's
Speaker 1: a little person put into a cage and a shark,
Speaker 1: a real shark taking If you look at that vision,
Speaker 1: it's it's incredible visions. It looks really I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: That was the only point where I thought, oh, there
Speaker 4: is a real shark. Wh you just see the tail flip,
Speaker 4: tail flick for all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So the shark is trying to get into the cage,
Speaker 1: the little person has a heart attack. He's okay, he's okay,
Speaker 1: but that's so that's and then they and then they said,
Speaker 1: I think they and then they had they got him
Speaker 1: out and the sharks are still ram in the cage.
Speaker 1: And they rang back and they said, this vision looks amazing.
Speaker 1: And they're like, is the is the little person in
Speaker 1: the in the cage when he's ramming he gets Oh no,
Speaker 1: we got him out. Eventually they're like, well we can't.
Speaker 1: We can't use it, like he needs to be Hooper
Speaker 1: needs to be in the cage. We need to see
Speaker 1: him going to die. So that's why he kind of
Speaker 1: gets out right and they have the and you knew
Speaker 1: he was gonna something was going to go wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we expect them to die. Really, let's face it, because
Speaker 1: he's handling this big outside.
Speaker 4: Of the cage.
Speaker 1: Outside of the cage. Yeah, put your hands in the cage, mate.
Speaker 4: Well I did not handle your hands in the cage.
Speaker 4: You know, hands inside card at all times. What are
Speaker 4: you thinking? But I didn't understand why he hid under
Speaker 4: a rock, Like he got out of the cage and
Speaker 4: then he he hides under a rock until the shark
Speaker 4: gets exploded. Like why didn't he go up?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Because because if you think about it, it could
Speaker 1: have easy died. He should have died. It should have
Speaker 1: really just been it's more powerful if it's Chief Brodie
Speaker 1: by himself. He has then swim back by himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no reason why.
Speaker 4: He's just props up with it. But it doesn't help.
Speaker 4: He just hides under the rights. It was so that
Speaker 4: would confuse me. And also the system of what was
Speaker 4: the plant for them for Hooper to tell them to
Speaker 4: bring him up, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they just went well, we should bring him up now,
Speaker 4: and it made it made no sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he went down to kind of go okay
Speaker 1: on the third, I had like a y ink or something.
Speaker 1: There's no that was done.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, they just got footage of him hiding,
Speaker 4: just hiding under a rock. And then because he obviously
Speaker 4: would have seen the ship sinky, Yeah I don't look.
Speaker 4: I know that part was weird. He could have he
Speaker 4: could have easily gotten killed.
Speaker 1: And then he goes on the Today Show and he
Speaker 1: blames the project for it all. Did you get how many?
Speaker 1: How many frights? Did you have? Any genuine frights?
Speaker 4: As I say, I didn't like the head was no good,
Speaker 4: the floating head.
Speaker 1: But you know what I must say, I actually got
Speaker 1: an forget that. I forgot what was happening. So when
Speaker 1: he was like got the shark's tooth and he and
Speaker 1: I just wasn't expecting it and I completely forgot about it,
Speaker 1: and actually it by myself, I audibly went.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I still got to frite. But then
Speaker 4: I was like that books, yeah, I did. What were
Speaker 4: the actual moments the.
Speaker 1: Other I'll tell you the other one I got. I
Speaker 1: had two frighten moments where I yelped. Was when they
Speaker 1: were pulling the rope in. I don't know, I should
Speaker 1: have been expecting it for some reason. And then the
Speaker 1: shark kind of comes up, which is kind of like
Speaker 1: the angle. That's almost very much the Universal shark right there.
Speaker 1: That's almost the angle you see if you go to
Speaker 1: Universal Studios and it comes up beside the boat. That's
Speaker 1: almost exactly what you see, Yes, when it comes out.
Speaker 4: There was one where it was Chief Brody was sitting
Speaker 4: on the back of the boat complaining about doing the chum.
Speaker 4: That was when he's like, and then it goes out
Speaker 4: and he actually does a like a double tap, you know,
Speaker 4: it does that, and that's a kind.
Speaker 1: Of famous scene, you know, like that shot when you
Speaker 1: come to that.
Speaker 4: Shot, and also when he's on the beach and they
Speaker 4: did that that. I don't know what that shot is
Speaker 4: called the perspective.
Speaker 1: The performance is almost coming forward, but the background is
Speaker 1: moving backwards, yeah, or vice versa.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but I'd like it was more of it
Speaker 4: was a full boat. It was oh no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 4: I can't remember the exact moments, but I didn't I
Speaker 4: was scared by it. I didn't like it. See, I
Speaker 4: don't really watch scary things because my instinct is to
Speaker 4: go make this stop, you know, you like, oh something well,
Speaker 4: that something bad is going to happen, and then and
Speaker 4: then it does and then or you just go hide
Speaker 4: under a rock. But also that that I've kind of
Speaker 4: both like the it's amazing that it was still scary
Speaker 4: when it when the shark itself is so bad, and
Speaker 4: that the explosion you know, I don't know, you.
Speaker 1: Not just a plan to get Hooper back up from
Speaker 1: the shark cage, but even there's the plan.
Speaker 4: Of what he was supposed to do is going to try.
Speaker 4: And also like it was so I felt for that
Speaker 4: actor for Roy when he's like stabbing it, he looks
Speaker 4: so bad. Then when he's stabbing it and it looks
Speaker 4: like he's like just poking a bit of plastic. Like,
Speaker 4: it's amazing feat of this film that you still take
Speaker 4: him here, you still believe. Yeah, the actor performances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think seeing it in nineteen seventy five though,
Speaker 1: like you know, we've come so far that seeing them
Speaker 1: I imagine seeing in nineteen seventy five, well, it was
Speaker 1: it was terrifying for people. Yeah, And I don't think
Speaker 1: the music and the fact that we wait so long
Speaker 1: to see the shark plays a part in that. But
Speaker 1: I think also I imagine the shark looked more real
Speaker 1: to them, yeah, than it does to us.
Speaker 4: And also the little boy, when the boy got humped,
Speaker 4: that was bad too. That was quite yeah, distressing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't like that. I don't like it when a
Speaker 4: little boy gets into shark.
Speaker 1: Peter.
Speaker 4: I've got out. I've probably on my own here.
Speaker 1: But okay, weird, very weird. There's a couple of things
Speaker 1: about the production. It was so it was like movies
Speaker 1: were it's hard to believe this is even a thing,
Speaker 1: or there was a time when summer movies weren't really
Speaker 1: a thing, you know, like very rarely were movies put
Speaker 1: into some of the theaters in America with expectation. They
Speaker 1: decided to go with it because it was the beach theme.
Speaker 1: They went with the whole idea, before you get in
Speaker 1: the water, don't get in the water before you see
Speaker 1: this film. It explodes. It's now, adjusting for inflation, made
Speaker 1: two billion dollars. It was invented the blockbuster. This is
Speaker 1: two years before Star Wars, which kind of cemented this
Speaker 1: idea of tent pole.
Speaker 4: Movie because then we would never have had Sharknado. I
Speaker 4: blame Jaws for Shark Nado.
Speaker 1: It is. It's still the best shark movie without a doubt.
Speaker 4: I think it might be the only shark move I've
Speaker 4: ever seen. As I say, I got it. The only
Speaker 4: big scary animal film that I've seen is Anaconda, which
Speaker 4: was on a double date when I was like sixteen,
Speaker 4: because we were like me, I'm not scared. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: the snake baby, and it was absolute cheifier. I hated
Speaker 4: it so much.
Speaker 1: Did your date pulled the older yeah, protecting arm over.
Speaker 4: You're probably not. This is too this is too much.
Speaker 4: But it took me a while to grow into my
Speaker 4: nose pete, so I couldn't breathe through my nose for
Speaker 4: a very long time. So making out was a terrifying
Speaker 4: concept because I couldn't breathe. So should the young lad
Speaker 4: had made a move, I probably would have dodged it.
Speaker 4: But there you go. But Ana Conder John Boyd. Not
Speaker 4: only does it have a horrific scene which still haunts me.
Speaker 4: This is the problem with horror films as well. They
Speaker 4: pop into the images pop. You can't control when they're
Speaker 4: going to come into your head.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Someone's choking and they get stabbed a pen in the
Speaker 4: throat so they can breath. And this is spoilers if anybody,
Speaker 4: if you haven't seen anaconda, you're too late. It's take
Speaker 4: it too long, you take you take it too long.
Speaker 4: John Boy gets eaten.
Speaker 1: You need to see Jaws last night.
Speaker 4: But I know what I think I knew what happened.
Speaker 4: I think he got exploited. I've probably got it confused
Speaker 4: because of the whole jump the shark thing. I would
Speaker 4: have been like, did you get hit by a bus
Speaker 4: by Fonzie. I'm confused. I can't remember something happened with
Speaker 4: the bus. John Boy gets eaten by the snake and
Speaker 4: then he gets vomited up. But he's only got one
Speaker 4: eye and he winks it. It blinks it and then
Speaker 4: dies and that is in my memory. I can't remember
Speaker 4: my mother's birthday, and that is in my mind forever.
Speaker 1: August, Mum's best. Thank you, my pleasure. So Spielberg didn't
Speaker 1: shoot the last scene in this movie because he was
Speaker 1: fearing He actually jumped on the airplane and left, set
Speaker 1: the shot up, and then left without telling anyone because
Speaker 1: he feared the crew were going to push him in
Speaker 1: the water, and it started a tradition where he never
Speaker 1: shoots the final scene, not necessarily the scene we see
Speaker 1: in the movie, but just he will never shoot the final.
Speaker 4: Shot, the shot or the wholes like a whole scene.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think it's just the shot.
Speaker 4: Wow, who filmed it? Then?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I know that David
Speaker 1: Fincher did a similar thing on the Social network because
Speaker 1: Aaron Sorkin wrote that and kind of just went, you know.
Speaker 4: What it was to go home early. That's someone that
Speaker 4: makes such great sense, though, because.
Speaker 1: Get the rat part.
Speaker 4: It's get to the goodbye is are awkward, like any
Speaker 4: in any job. It's always like, you know, when you
Speaker 4: see someone you sort of know and you don't want
Speaker 4: to say hello. It's not because you don't want to
Speaker 4: say hello, it'scause you don't want to take ad bye
Speaker 4: because it's so like, well see you have a nice life,
Speaker 4: that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So that's great Spielberg knows is people are going to
Speaker 1: be saying, listen, I love to work on close encounters.
Speaker 1: The third would be amazing.
Speaker 4: I've got this screenplay. I really think you should read.
Speaker 4: I was waiting. So that's a great idea to skip
Speaker 4: out right at the end.
Speaker 1: That's a good one, and we're doing that.
Speaker 4: If we do Rose having season five, Luke, you're on
Speaker 4: your own. The last the last scene is Luke. And
Speaker 4: just like a terrible version, a terrible puppet version of me.
Speaker 1: It may be different. If you're an actor. Director can
Speaker 1: get away with it. Good luck. Let me know how
Speaker 1: that goes. The director, the writer of the original screenplay,
Speaker 1: Sorry book, I think of these Pete. Eventually, he regrets
Speaker 1: portraying sharks like this because he's had a massive impact
Speaker 1: on the way sharks were viewed. Like people just were
Speaker 1: terrified as sharks. This is before the conservation movement has
Speaker 1: grown a whole lot since then. Even now, when somebody
Speaker 1: gets taken by a shark, there's a more reasonable response
Speaker 1: to what should be done. There's a bigger conversation. This
Speaker 1: is all just Even the marine biologists in this movie
Speaker 1: is like, let's kill the shark. You know. So he
Speaker 1: kind of regrets the betrayal and now works in shark conservation.
Speaker 4: Are you serious?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: That's too little, too late, mate, too late.
Speaker 1: And Spielberg demanded shooting on the Atlantic Ocean. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to shoot in it. Things that's actually shot out
Speaker 1: in the ocean, and a final thing which I think
Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. Richard Dreyfuss, he's I think he's twenty
Speaker 1: seven when he makes his film. They wrap on the film,
Speaker 1: he goes off and he starts on doing TV appearances
Speaker 1: where he's just bagging out the film by just saying
Speaker 1: this is and he says, this is not Steven Spielberg's fault,
Speaker 1: but this is this is going to be a disaster.
Speaker 1: This is not, this is not We had so much,
Speaker 1: so many issues with this. This is gonna this is
Speaker 1: not gonna be good. This is not going to be good.
Speaker 1: And it's a real and he admits now that he
Speaker 1: was it's a real lesson. Because he's young and he's
Speaker 1: twenty seven. He doesn't know that the movie starts again
Speaker 1: when you get into the editing sweet yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think you know you have made you know, now
Speaker 1: you know five seasons of rose Haven, so you know
Speaker 1: you've been in the editing suite. You know how it
Speaker 1: starts again. You're going to go, what do we have
Speaker 1: that you know? Richard Dravis had never at that stage,
Speaker 1: didn't know that John Williams is working on this brilliant
Speaker 1: score that was going to bring this thing to life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and absolutely from his perspective, it was a debicle.
Speaker 4: This is the shark never works. It's going to look
Speaker 4: it could have been. It could have been absolutely terrible.
Speaker 4: But you just keep keep it zipped until because what
Speaker 4: if it's not? Then that happened.
Speaker 1: Give Steven Spielberg a chance to put this film together.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got a puck lips. Now they got
Speaker 1: Father Movies, Case Blanket started shooting without a script. You know,
Speaker 1: Star Wars wasn't really supported by the studio. Like there,
Speaker 1: you know that you gotta this give It's.
Speaker 4: The same works. It works the other ways, well, like
Speaker 4: don't celebrate something until until it's out either. I think
Speaker 4: you shouldn't have been on TV. Just just just hide.
Speaker 4: Anytime you make anything, then you hide and you wait
Speaker 4: for the results and then because there's nothing to be
Speaker 4: gained from. But I get it, he would have been
Speaker 4: Paranoid's like this is gonna ruin me. I should get
Speaker 4: out in front of it and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: it's probably if I did celebrity splash like that, jells
Speaker 4: could be good celebrity splash.
Speaker 1: Hey Seals, thank you so much for watching this film.
Speaker 1: I know it's a podcast that you need to do
Speaker 1: a little bit of homework.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize how many behind the scenes things that
Speaker 4: you were going to bring. I want to do it
Speaker 4: again with other films, so I can you do the
Speaker 4: research and I get to learn cool cool story.
Speaker 1: You find one and we will do it. And by
Speaker 1: the time you come back and do it again, I
Speaker 1: would have watched a League of their Own again and
Speaker 1: Labyrinth again.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, enjoy I will do.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much and we'll see you.
Speaker 7: Cons Cillia Percolla there chatting Jaws.
Speaker 1: That was so delightful. She Anyone who's witnessed Seals do
Speaker 1: her comedy, whether it be in stand up comedy or
Speaker 1: watching a performance on shows like Rose Haven, would know
Speaker 1: that she is just a delightful presence. And I can
Speaker 1: guarantee you in person, she is exactly the kind of
Speaker 1: the person that you hope she would be. So thanks
Speaker 1: Seals for watching Jaws. We did, actually before we started recording,
Speaker 1: just play the music without her knowing the Jaws music,
Speaker 1: and she did actually jump up a little bit in
Speaker 1: the air. And got a right. So well played, John Williams,
Speaker 1: your music legacy lives on. Thank you everybody for listening.
Speaker 1: You can send me an email and it comes to me.
Speaker 1: I'm the one who reads it at Yasney Podcast at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Let me know what you're thinking of
Speaker 1: the series, the new series. If you won't see nothing yet,
Speaker 1: any requests somebody made a request. Sorry, I don't have
Speaker 1: the emails in front of me for Denise Scott to
Speaker 1: do a movie I've been I had already been in
Speaker 1: contact with Scotty and she has confirmed she will be
Speaker 1: watching The Dark Night for this podcast. They will be
Speaker 1: coming up in a few weeks. Thank you of course
Speaker 1: to my podcast manager Derek Mayers, who stitches all this
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Speaker 1: We follow one blockbuster to the next biggest blockbuster and
Speaker 1: maybe the biggest blockbuster of all time. Now Star Wars
Speaker 1: with my co host of the project will Ali until then. Bye,
Speaker 1: and so we leave old Pete save fan salt, and
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