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Speaker 1: Get a.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional

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Speaker 2: overshare us. This podcast is all about celebrating failure because

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Speaker 2: I believe it's a chance for us to learn, grow

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Speaker 2: and face our blind spots. Each week, all interview a

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Speaker 2: different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 2: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: You know how much I love having an actor on

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Speaker 2: the pod, and today we have Ossie actor Bernie Curry.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I got to see him.

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Speaker 2: In a Christmas Carol at Chrissy Time and he lit

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Speaker 2: up the stage and I just thought when I was

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Speaker 2: I was like, I've got to interview this actor. And

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Speaker 2: then when I was researching him, Boss and I binge

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Speaker 2: watched Wentworth. So it was so much fun to research

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Speaker 2: for this episode. Bernie, you are an absolute champ. I

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Speaker 2: cannot wait to see what comes next to you. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for sharing your time with me.

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Speaker 1: Bernie Curry, Lola, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I don't know whether she said the levels quite right there,

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Speaker 4: because I think I just clipped the whole thing and

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Speaker 4: just no, you're projected too much.

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Speaker 2: No, you're right, friend. It's so exciting to have you on.

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Speaker 2: You are such an icon Aussie actor.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to say icon you are. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not archnic.

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Speaker 2: But when you said yes to this pod, I said

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Speaker 2: to my boyfriend, are you ready to binge?

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Speaker 3: Watch?

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Speaker 1: Went well, oh yeah, so we have been binging.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it only takes you about two about three episodes

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Speaker 4: drinking the kool aid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. I've got a story about that too, because.

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Speaker 4: When I actually I was living in LA when I

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Speaker 4: booked there. Right, you did a self tape, You've done

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Speaker 4: some research and yeah, so we hadn't seen it either.

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Speaker 4: My my wife Sonya and.

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Speaker 1: I and you guys got hooked.

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing is like it was like a real

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Speaker 3: whirl wind. Where were there.

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Speaker 4: We've been there for five years. I get this gig

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, well, she'd I think I should take it?

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Speaker 4: She goes, yeah, I said, it starts shooting in like

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Speaker 4: a couple of weeks, so I've got to go. She

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Speaker 4: literally packed up our house and everything in LA and

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Speaker 4: we shipped it back to Melbourne.

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Speaker 3: So I went and started working.

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Speaker 4: Then she got there, we rented this house, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 4: and then she said, well, I suppose we should watch

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Speaker 4: this show that you're in. You know what I mean

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Speaker 4: because I I when I was making the decision, I

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Speaker 4: called my brother Steve, who I consider a very good

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Speaker 4: barometer in all things, kind of in the entertainment issue.

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Speaker 4: I so, what's this went worth thing like? Because there's

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Speaker 4: an offer on a roll and he goes, you know

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Speaker 4: what to be fair. When I when I first came on,

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Speaker 4: I thought remake of Prisoner. They could this could be

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Speaker 4: ship you know, goes, it's really good. It's really good,

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Speaker 4: and it's like critically acclaimed across the board, and I'm like, done,

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Speaker 4: I'll do it, you know, And that's the So then

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Speaker 4: we yeah, we went, well, let's watch this show. So

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Speaker 4: we started watching three episodes in and we're like, oh.

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Speaker 3: My god, this is so good. And then I think

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Speaker 3: it was by the end.

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Speaker 4: It was at the end of season one where season

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Speaker 4: one ends and there's a big cliffhanger into season two,

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Speaker 4: and Sonya turns to me and she said, well, she said,

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Speaker 4: it's lucky that we went at this stage when you

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Speaker 1: The pressure would have been to we were some of

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Speaker 4: But on that show, like, you know, she would have

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh well, it's just another thing and

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Speaker 2: I've had Zoe Tracus on this part as well. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Zoe talked about how tricky it was to let go

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got some pretty they had.

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Speaker 4: antidote I guess to all of that stuff was we

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Speaker 4: So when you had to do the crying or when

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Speaker 4: having a laugh at the same time. And so but

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Speaker 1: The support was there, a little family I couldn't believe.

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Speaker 2: Also, like I listened this is how much I did

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Speaker 2: dive you, but I listened to fandom pods on Wentworth.

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Speaker 1: It is like we're talking cold and a huge American.

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Speaker 3: Following their mental contin you.

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Speaker 1: Do like a Chicago Comic Con kind.

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Speaker 4: Of vibe, thinking did Chicago and I've done New Jersey

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Speaker 1: It's big.

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Speaker 3: It's a big deal. You know, it's no joke there.

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Speaker 4: The thing is, if you're a fan of Wentworth, you're

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Speaker 4: So you're either all in or you're kind of like,

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Speaker 3: You know it's fan The fans have went with a

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Speaker 2: We called a friend that we knew was like a

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Speaker 2: Lola's interviewing this week, and and Gaz was like, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, Jake, exactly what he said? How could what

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Speaker 4: They'll say it's more fun to play the villain's But

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Speaker 4: I kind of got to play.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to know.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know you.

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Speaker 3: Haven't quite made it through the whole.

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Speaker 2: No, But I did sneakily watch a lot of your scenes.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of fan made YouTube scenes of any

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Speaker 2: scene you have clothes on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I haven't seen any of those.

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Speaker 2: Because I was straight away before I started watching it,

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Speaker 3: Well, it's amazing, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: So these the woman who runs the the Wentworth Con

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Speaker 4: events in the States and in Australia, Kean her name

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Speaker 4: is she Actually it's a cool thing. She runs these

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Speaker 4: competitions for for some of the fans. Yeah, and says, okay,

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Speaker 4: Katrina Molosovich is going to be in at Chicago. I

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Speaker 4: want submissions for and people edit together a little kind

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Speaker 4: of Katrina's stuff, and people put these edits together with

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Speaker 4: not being broadcast.

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Speaker 3: They're just being shown in the thing.

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Speaker 4: And the winner of you know, the one who submits

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Speaker 4: so that's the incentive. But so there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: So it doesn't surprise me that.

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Speaker 1: There's yeah, there's a very mode to you.

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Speaker 2: Well, the opposite character of Jake the Snake is your

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Speaker 2: beautiful character. And I got to see you in a

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Speaker 2: Christmas Carol. I went to opening nice too, nice, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I was in the stalls, like fifth row from

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Speaker 2: And the reason why I wanted to get you on

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, that's right. And he enjoyed that.

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Speaker 4: It was remarkable for him to, you know, because he

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Speaker 3: So yeah, he was.

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Speaker 2: As soon as we start recording, he goes, don't don't

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh my goodness, what a sweet thing

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Speaker 3: But he's a lovely fella.

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Speaker 2: When I was watching the show, I noticed your character

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Speaker 2: had this Like I'm a yoga teacher as well, and

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Speaker 2: means you're living your purpose essentially very very will But

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Speaker 2: I just remember like like looking at you being like, oh,

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Speaker 3: When I came on as Bob Cratchit.

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Speaker 2: You mean, every time I saw it when you're in

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Speaker 2: thing that you love. And I mentioned it to Owen

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Speaker 2: heart that can light up a room. What a sweetie

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Speaker 2: is a very nice That's a pretty sweet compet I'll take.

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Speaker 4: That as a real compliment because even even someone like

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Speaker 4: it was interesting on this experience in this production because

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Speaker 4: His name is Grant Pirout and I've been mates with

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Speaker 4: It's something that you're doing that you don't know you

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Speaker 4: Even though it's it's habitual and it's something that you're

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Speaker 2: And it was just like, like, it's amazing when people

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Speaker 4: But you know, if I can give it a reasonable

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Speaker 1: Go slay your reader too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ill play the reader.

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Speaker 1: Oh genius.

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Speaker 1: This is a good hack. It's a very good hap.

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Speaker 2: So I've got to ask you, you've had such a

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Speaker 1: One hundred and seventy neighbors.

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Speaker 2: Apps four hundred count though right, four hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: I was in Days of Our Lives, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: Did it say that?

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Speaker 4: I don't know who said that, who put that in it,

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Speaker 4: Let's go with four hundred and twenty you know, hone

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Speaker 2: Yes, but also like then looking at America pretty Little Liars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you've done like NCAS CSI Once upon

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Speaker 3: Shut that up.

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Speaker 4: then we shot this this thing out in Sydney, out

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Speaker 4: And because it had to be Texas, they had this

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Speaker 1: That would have been dead giveaway, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So otherwise, other other than that, it looked

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: The other one I watched was bordering on bad behavior.

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Speaker 3: God No, I wasn't a good film.

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Speaker 1: Impact Earth, How did you say that?

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Speaker 3: I haven't even been able to see that.

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Speaker 2: No, So for those ones for Impact Earths, bordering on

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Speaker 2: I can only get trailers for. But I was able

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was already.

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Speaker 2: But my question is, so, like you've done a chunk

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean you're I would say, quote unquote a

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Speaker 1: Well just take the compliment I feel take. In America, my.

442
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,040
Speaker 3: Brother Stephen is probably more of a household, but I.

443
00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,359
Speaker 1: Feel like you're both. It's like the it's the current brothers,

444
00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:38,960
Speaker 1: the bread roll with it.

445
00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,639
Speaker 2: But then in America, like these are pretty chunky, Like

446
00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,520
Speaker 2: it feels like so you did five years or it

447
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,360
Speaker 2: feels like you kind of like start to find your

448
00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,919
Speaker 2: stride because like when I go to America, I'm definitely

449
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,600
Speaker 2: not doing auditions for NCIS yet. Like my first audition,

450
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,080
Speaker 2: I sign with an agent and I was like, oh

451
00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,360
Speaker 2: my god, first step made it did not very had

452
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,679
Speaker 2: no idea first edition comes in. I'm like great, Kristen

453
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,120
Speaker 2: Bell type. I was like, great, got it, got it.

454
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 2: I read the script. It's an audition for Vagina deodorant,

455
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,680
Speaker 2: a commercial, right, yeah, And so I had.

456
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 1: To barrel a camera.

457
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,680
Speaker 3: Is that a spray product?

458
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,840
Speaker 2: It was a roll on situation, roll in and I

459
00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,400
Speaker 2: had to barrel a camera and say I'm your fanny godmother.

460
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,199
Speaker 2: And I had to have a makeshift wand fairies wand

461
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,959
Speaker 2: and say this is safety use on your whole body

462
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,720
Speaker 2: and say your pits point to my pits.

463
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 3: Oh okay, your feet point to.

464
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,400
Speaker 2: My feet, and your private and point to my vagina.

465
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 2: And that was my first audition in America for a

466
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 2: commercial for Vagina deodorant. So it was a rude awakening

467
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:45,680
Speaker 2: right straight out of the game.

468
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,640
Speaker 3: I probably would have got twenty grand if you'd got

469
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 3: the gig though.

470
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,120
Speaker 1: Right, I didn't get the gig. No, but I did

471
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 1: it in an American accent.

472
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 3: It can be worth good money.

473
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I've got no I'm not going to bite

474
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 2: the hand that's feeding me, no way.

475
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 1: But like I think I went over being.

476
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,719
Speaker 2: Like, oh, Margo Rob you know Sam Weaving amazing, And

477
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, this is a journey.

478
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 1: And so you spent five years in LA and I.

479
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 4: Should be said that I spent with the whole of

480
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:12,920
Speaker 4: our first year there.

481
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 3: I didn't book one job.

482
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this stuff I want to know, right.

483
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 3: So that's the thing.

484
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 4: I mean, it's, you know, we're talking about failure here,

485
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,920
Speaker 4: and this is the you know kind of I guess

486
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 4: the point of what the reason why we're chatting here

487
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 4: and stuff, and it's it's a really interesting subject because

488
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 4: I've thought a lot about it and about my experiences

489
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 4: in LA and what failure means in that sense, and

490
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 4: it's my mind is like my thoughts have changed about

491
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 4: what failure is in that sense because many times I've

492
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 4: thought about myself, my career and my experience in LA,

493
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 4: and I feel like it's not enough.

494
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 3: You say, you say, oh you did n C, I,

495
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 3: s C S.

496
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 4: I once upon a time, pretatalize that's the stuff, and

497
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, I never I never acted a series regular.

498
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 4: That's in a series where I were ony thirty five

499
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 4: forty fifty kN episode. You're doing twenty two episodes. Insurance

500
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 4: is covered, Yeah you know what I mean, like and

501
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 4: you're off to the races and stuff. I never got that,

502
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 4: and that's what I went to get and I even

503
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 4: said no too, and I feel like it was like,

504
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 4: I feel like it's one of the regrets of my thing. There.

505
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 3: I did a thing called hit the Floor.

506
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 2: Yeah I've seen, I've seen. I've seen your clip from

507
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: hit the Floor, yeah, right.

508
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 4: And it was a basketball you know, I said in

509
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 4: amongst the cheerleading team of a basket of an NBA basket,

510
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 4: fictional NBA basketball team called the La Devils, And I

511
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 4: was playing this douchebag Australian like agent manager manager, right.

512
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 3: And it actually originally was.

513
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 4: Was it was the first job I got, the first

514
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 4: job I got, so I was really happy with it

515
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 4: because of the fact. And this I'll just do a

516
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 4: little kind of segue, little side story with the first

517
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 4: role I got. And it was like I remember going

518
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 4: into the audition and then I did the audio and

519
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 4: then it was a call back, so I went into it.

520
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 3: Was like at v H one studios.

521
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 4: They were in like West Side somewhere, yeah, and you

522
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 4: know where MTV is and stuff, and you know, they

523
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 4: had the producers there and stuff, and it was a

524
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 4: nice big studio space and everything, and they were shooting

525
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 4: it and and I went in there and because the American,

526
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 4: the character was American, it said you know, he's this

527
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 4: kind and I would always my process, I guess in

528
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 4: terms of that thing, it was like I would go,

529
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 4: I would generally go in as the American character.

530
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, how you doing. Nice to see you, Bernard. You know,

531
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 3: I had to see Bernard Courry is my name, and

532
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 3: you know, hey, how you doing. How was your day?

533
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's about pretty good, you know. And for

534
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: some reason they would go, hey, where are you from?

535
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: I go Baltimore. I have no idea why, yeah, Baltimore.

536
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 4: And then I was always fear that they would go

537
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 4: I'm from Baltimore too, which which part I'm like, I

538
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 4: have no idea anyway, but I did this thing and

539
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, he he was his real

540
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 4: douche and you know, kind of he was serving papers

541
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 4: to his ex girlfriend about he wants custody of the child.

542
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 4: He doesn't really wanted, he just wants to do it

543
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 4: to fuck her, right, because he's been a real ars on.

544
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 4: And we do the thing and everything and she's and

545
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 4: she's trying, and the scene has ended and I was like,

546
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 4: fuck it, I'm just going to go for it, right,

547
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 4: And the scene had sort of ended where it go

548
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 4: there you go and then she's trying to and I

549
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 4: just kind of put my hand up and I'm like yeah,

550
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 4: and I just pick up my phone and like tend

551
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 4: to answer the phone and just could put my hand

552
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 4: in her face. And everyone's like, oh my god, that's

553
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 4: the doucheiest thing you can do. And when they went

554
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 4: that was awesome. It wasn't in the script, but it's

555
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 4: like a beautiful end of the scene where you're just

556
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 4: showing the complete douchiness and stuff.

557
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, thanks, you know, that's my wheelhouse.

558
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 4: And then and then I would always then do the

559
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 4: American and then I was drop out into the Australian

560
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 4: and then they would go, oh, you're not You're not

561
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 4: an American. I'm like, no, I'm and I put on

562
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: a really big astraight yeah mate, yeah, hey going, I'm

563
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 4: really Australian and that, and then for me, it would

564
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 4: always be that point of difference where they go, you

565
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 4: remember that guy who came in and he was he

566
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 4: was American, and then all of a sudden he became

567
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 4: this Australian. And the thing is they're not listening for

568
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 4: your accent when you're first looking. You're not going they're

569
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 4: not going oh, he's in Australia.

570
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: Let's listen to you.

571
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 4: They're just watching your performance, so there's no judgment in

572
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 4: that sense. And then you go you drop into the

573
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 4: full Australian Oka think.

574
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: Oh my god, where are you from.

575
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, from Australia, you know, but you know they went, oh,

576
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 4: you know, so there's like it just creates that slight

577
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 4: point of difference where they remember you as slightly more.

578
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 4: But then I got the gig and they went, hey,

579
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 4: i'll tell you what. We want to use your Australian accent.

580
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 4: So you're going to be on Australian douchebagy, you know,

581
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: like Greba.

582
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: Wilson Pitch Perfect. She did the whole audition. American recorded

583
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: all her songs. American was in the middle of filming

584
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: a scene early on and obviously they're on a lunch

585
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: break and she's speaking her natural accent and they over

586
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: heard her and they're like, you have to have it,

587
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: and she's like, no, I've had a dialect coach.

588
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: I've recorded all my vocals and they're like, no, you

589
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: have to be Australian.

590
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 4: I know.

591
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: It's it is everyone has their own process into which

592
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 3: is what they can I do.

593
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 4: But anyway that when they I did the first season

594
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 4: of that as it was just a guest recurring guest

595
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: star role. So they did think ten episodes and I

596
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 4: was in about six of them, you know, which is great.

597
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, this is Then they came back and

598
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 4: I just done Once upon a Time and I came back.

599
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, now I'm starting to roll here.

600
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: This is good, you know.

601
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 4: And then they offered me a series regular on this thing. Yeah,

602
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 4: at like ten grand an episode, and I was like,

603
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 4: that's not enough.

604
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: Got it?

605
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 4: Because if you know the network stuff like Once upon

606
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 4: a Time wherever, if there's a series regular that comes

607
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 4: on with that, it's like it's like thirty five starting point,

608
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 4: you can maybe go shout up to forty forty five

609
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 4: grand episode.

610
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: That's the that's the kind of league that I want

611
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: to be in. I said no, And at the time,

612
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: we were struggling like shit, and I was like so hard.

613
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 4: So it was a massive risk for me to say

614
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 4: no to it, and it could have actually really you know,

615
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: helped us. My wife and I we had two kids,

616
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 4: we had a kid. We arrived in LA with a

617
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 4: kid with a baby.

618
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: That would be hard.

619
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, very hard. Nobody does that. If you want to

620
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: start a family, you leave La. You get fuck out

621
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: of it. But I was like, we you know, I

622
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: actually did a masterclass with a Vanna Chubbick.

623
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: I've trained Melbourne, I've trained.

624
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: And she said to me, she said, you need to

625
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: be in America. That was That was it for me.

626
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 4: I was like, I've been putting it off, using one

627
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 4: excuse or another for so long. And I said, no,

628
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: it's got to happen now. And Sonya, my wife, said

629
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 4: I'll back here, let's go. And we had a ten

630
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 4: month old baby and he said, right in one visa

631
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: fucking all this bullshit. And then we literally arrive in

632
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 4: LA with a baby and bags and that was it.

633
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 4: You know, so it's always a that's a big risk.

634
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 4: It's a big risk to take. But it was like

635
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 4: I was like, it doesn't happen now, It'll never happen,

636
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 4: and I'll get to fifty five or sixty years old

637
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 4: and I go.

638
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: I never regret.

639
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 3: I never went to l I never had.

640
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 4: A crack friends over there and stuff like buger, let's go,

641
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 4: you know, so yes, so not taking that that hit

642
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: the floor or seerish regular and it went for another

643
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 4: It went for another four seasons or something or five seasons,

644
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: So that could have been something that was that you know,

645
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 4: that was that really helped us. But I made the

646
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: risk of now you don't know, and I made I

647
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 4: took the risk of saying no to it because I

648
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 4: knew there were bigger things and they never happened. That

649
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 4: the series regular never happened. So to me, I'm like,

650
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 4: that's like regret when you say, oh gosh, it wash it.

651
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: If I'd taken that, we would have been much more

652
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 4: comfortable in LA. But then then I kind of go,

653
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 4: but who knows if I had done that, if I'd

654
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 4: been sitting there going this is sweet, I'm all, you know,

655
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 4: making a year, I might not have done that audition

656
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 4: for Wentworth and I feel like went with for me

657
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 4: was was a career, a.

658
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 3: Pinnacle at the time. It definitely was. It was.

659
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 4: It was the favorite, probably my favorite TV job that

660
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 4: I've ever done, because of its longevity, because of the

661
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: people I got to work, we have as well really

662
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: fun and like I was saying, I got to play

663
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: the villain, like a full hateable villain where people would

664
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 4: come up to me in the street and go I

665
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: fucking hate you. Yeah, but you took that as a

666
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: compliment because it means you're doing your job, like, yeah, thanks,

667
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: because they always have a bit of a smoger.

668
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 3: I buddy hate you so much.

669
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: Even my missus was like, we'd be watching it doing

670
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 4: something crazy to your and she goes, I fucking hate it.

671
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: Right now you are sleeping on the couch. I go,

672
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you talking about?

673
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: You know. But then down the road, in through the Seasons,

674
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 4: Jake went through this kind of redemption story. I don't

675
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 4: want to make any stin so I got to play

676
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 4: the hero as well as the villain.

677
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: It's that was. It was like a beautiful, beautiful job.

678
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: And you know, failure, you know, when you you know, failure,

679
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: I think is kind of runs parallel to success, and

680
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 4: sometimes failure can be a failure of one kind can

681
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 4: be a success. And I want to reference what I

682
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 4: often say to students because I do a bit of

683
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: teaching of acting, like at an actual you know, like

684
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: an actor school, and some of them, some of the

685
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: times it's like the whole class is me just talking

686
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: about my experience in Los Angeles or my experience, you know,

687
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: And I say things like, if you ever get a

688
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: chance to be a reader in an audition room with

689
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 4: a casting director, take it.

690
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: It's great.

691
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 4: I used to do tons of it when I was

692
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 4: living in Sydney and in Melbourne and stuff. And it's

693
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: just the best kind of experience you get because you

694
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 4: get it ticks so many boxes. You demystify the inside

695
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 4: of this audition room for yourself as an actor. It's

696
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 4: just a workspace. And you know that the audition that

697
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: the casting director want you to be amazing. They don't

698
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: want to see you. They're not there to see you fail.

699
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: They want you to be amazing. It makes their job easier.

700
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 4: They go, he's the guy, tick fucking done, let's go.

701
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 4: Then their job's done, right, And so they want you

702
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: just to go in there and nail it. If you

703
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 4: go in there with that sense that this wants me

704
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: to be amazing, you go in there with that energy,

705
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 4: and it also you get to hear the convers that

706
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 4: happened when someone leads a room. Well, first of all,

707
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: you also get you get to see fifteen twenty interpretations

708
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: of the same.

709
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: Text, which is like, oh wow, interesting choice, I see

710
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: what they've done with that.

711
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: So you're seeing all these professional, you know, good quality

712
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: actors doing all these different things.

713
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: It's like it's a really good learning experience.

714
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: You know.

715
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: The other thing I say to these young actors and

716
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: stuff is, in.

717
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 4: My experience, sometimes people go to LA and I've seen

718
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: people go to LA and just toil it out for

719
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 4: five years and get book zero like zero jobs, right,

720
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 4: blow all of their cash, come back with their tower

721
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 4: between their legs. And anyone would look at that and go,

722
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: that's a failure, right, I look at it in the

723
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 4: opposite sense. There is no failure when you do that

724
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 4: and you put yourself on the line and you go

725
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: for something that you want, really do you really want?

726
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 4: There's you have to have growth out of that. You

727
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 4: have to have growth in every scene. Plus you go

728
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: to LA and you know what I'm talking about here,

729
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 4: you go to LA, you're doing so many auditions. If

730
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 4: you've got the right team around you, hopefully you've got

731
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: you know, a good team around you, an agent and

732
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: a manager what of it? So you know, I remember

733
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 4: going in and I was there for Almo was five years,

734
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: so I was out of the whole scene.

735
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: In Australia.

736
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: You become an audition weapon, like you because you do

737
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: so many sometimes three a day, you know what I mean.

738
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: You're fucking driving over to Burbank and then you're over

739
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 4: here and then you're going to need the Santa Monica

740
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: and stuff. You've got to go and you've got to

741
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 4: you know, all this stuff and everything. So you're you're

742
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 4: working that audition muscle. In my opinion, it's like the

743
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 4: audition acting is really different too, yeah, other acting, you know,

744
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 4: it's a different beast and it's kind of it's a

745
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 4: skill onto itself, right, So if you sometimes people go

746
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: to LA and not book one role and then come

747
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: back to Australia and then sometimes they just book book

748
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: a role straight away because they're so audition auditioning, they're honed.

749
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: So that's not a f in my mind, that's not

750
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 4: a failure. You didn't book roll, but you you you

751
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: might have done classes, you might have done so, but

752
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: just the fact that you had.

753
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: To hustle and just get survive. You've had great growth.

754
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: And I feel as though as brutal as it was

755
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 4: for us here in the five years that we were there,

756
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 4: and there were so many times and we were talking

757
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: before about the role of where sometimes it happens numerous

758
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: times in one day where you go, what the fuck

759
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: am I totally am I here? I'm not good enough

760
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: to be here. I'm going to get chewed up and

761
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: spat the fuck out by this town. And then within

762
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: sometimes within a couple of hours, you go, no, yeah,

763
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 4: I'm good and I'm going to back myself and I can.

764
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: I can win in this town. And I'm even though.

765
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: You walk into an audition room and there's twenty other

766
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: guys and they're way better looking than you.

767
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: They've been to the gym fucking.

768
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: Six days a week, and like just trying to us.

769
00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: Better than them.

770
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 4: I'm a better actor than them, and I can take

771
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: them on, and I can take this on. And then

772
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 4: later on you go, what am I doing here again?

773
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: You're on this?

774
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: Do you believe in having like mentors over there? Because

775
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 2: I've got like a mentor that's like, and his name

776
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: is Anthony la Parlay. You might naiven a straight actor

777
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: and his buckle in just buckle in law. And he's

778
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: like and he's like, don't book a return flight. He's like,

779
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: just go back to make money and then come back.

780
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: He's like, and he has been really good at like

781
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: if I do a really crap auditional I meet. I

782
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: met a manager, and this manager wanted a retainer and

783
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: he's like no, no, He's like walks away, right, But

784
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: like I had this mentor figure, go come come here,

785
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: come under my wing.

786
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: Don't do that, say no to that.

787
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: I didn't.

788
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: I never had a mentor as such, like you know,

789
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: what would you call it a life coach sort of sense,

790
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: which is a mentor just.

791
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: Somebody that's like in the industry, in the industry, I mean,

792
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: how did that car about for you?

793
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: Though?

794
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: Just like mates, his mates, his wife, we all hung

795
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: out and he jumped on the pod and then with.

796
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: JA no Alex yea yeah, okay right.

797
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: But I actually got scammed on a house in La.

798
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: So I gotmpletely scammed. I rocked up to a house.

799
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: They were like two grand cash in hand, and I

800
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: was in their car garage, no hot water, no kitchen,

801
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: and I rocked up to I was bawling my eyes

802
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: at a patic attack, and I called this Apparently this

803
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: happens to people in LA And I called Alex and

804
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: she goes, come over, Anthony is going to talk you

805
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: through this. And I'm sitting on his couch crying and

806
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: he's like, pack your things, moving into the guest room.

807
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: And he took me in and like took me under

808
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: his wing. And so I'd hear me in my dialect

809
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: classes like you're eating your ars too hard. But it

810
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: was nice to have somebody who's obviously he went to

811
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: New York. It's seventeen it he's done lot volleys and.

812
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: A hundred bucks.

813
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: He took it on.

814
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: And then you talk about network drama as well, like

815
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: someone that's been through that beautiful beasts.

816
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 4: So I didn't I didn't have someone like that in

817
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 4: terms of mentor, but I had a very like I

818
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 4: had a very very good friend who lives over there,

819
00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: Brett Tucker.

820
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, McCloud's daughters. Yes, the vet was on it.

821
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

822
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: I think he was.

823
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was, I guess, a sounding board.

824
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, when we arrived there, we stayed

825
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 4: with him for a few nights and then we found

826
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 4: a place and stuff.

827
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: So we've we've remained great best friends. Basically.

828
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 4: I have another very good friend who you kind of

829
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: spend a lot of time in La called Sullivan Stapleton. Okay,

830
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 4: we hang out a lot, you know. I actually spoke

831
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: to both of those guys just yesterday and today so

832
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 4: and they're both in LA.

833
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: But it's always good to.

834
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: Have people who kind of get it a little bit.

835
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because you know, any questions you have. And

836
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 4: then I became that for a few people that came out,

837
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 4: you know, so Esther Anderson sort of came out. She said, oh,

838
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 4: and I said, come and stay with us. You know,

839
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 4: you've got to have a soft land. And you stay

840
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 4: with us, you know you've got and then it's like, okay,

841
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 4: first thing, you have to get self social Security.

842
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: Then you've got to get a car, Then you get

843
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: a bank account and get a phone.

844
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: Then you've got to get you know, get stuffed over

845
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 2: in the way in the way like I was driving

846
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: this like shitty Honda Civic like two thousand and three

847
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: hundred Civic that broke down on the I think it

848
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: was a four h five rights and then we opened

849
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: the bonnet and there was an oil engine oil bottle

850
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: just sitting in the Yeah.

851
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: That was like I was renting off an Australian actor.

852
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: I thought I wasn't gonna get screwed like it was.

853
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: I can't tell you I've done that, like those Ala

854
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: things where you're just like, how is this?

855
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: How is this my life right now?

856
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: But the thing is these are the experiences that that

857
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 4: kind of make you, aren't they And that's the reason

858
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 4: why you go and do these kind of.

859
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: Crazy things and you walk it.

860
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 4: You're getting out of your comfort zone, which is like

861
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 4: we were living in Sydney, living in Bondo Beach.

862
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 3: I was doing home in a way. It was all lovely.

863
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you go, but you go, no, I'm going

864
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 4: to take a massive risk and I'm going to put

865
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: my nuts on the line and go and do this.

866
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: But that's the reason why, because of the stories that

867
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 4: you know will come out of it. Yeah, and the

868
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: hardship and those kind of those moments where you go,

869
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do. I don't know what

870
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 4: to do right now. I don't know where to turn

871
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 4: and what to do and how to get around this.

872
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 4: But you do and you find a way to sort

873
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: of go either be resourceful and just go or you

874
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: hustle and you figure out a way to kind of

875
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: make a bit to count coin here. Oh yeah, And so,

876
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 4: like I said, any of those experiences, even though you

877
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 4: kind of go I sort of failed at that, you

878
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 4: didn't fail at it.

879
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: You learn something, You've got a.

880
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: Story to tell, Like there's a resilience piece in there too.

881
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 2: I remember a friend from Australia came over and he's

882
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: had this great career modeling. Comes over and I was like,

883
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: I'm working at the yoga shio. I'll bring you in

884
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: for a free yoga class. Minimum wage sixteen dollars fifteen

885
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: an hour.

886
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: Was what I was getting.

887
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: And I remember I checked him in and he was

888
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: like quite mortified that I was like giving people the

889
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: yoga mats and their towels and stuff, and he's like,

890
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: aren't you teaching the class. I was like, oh no,

891
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm in my audition process for teaching, like you know,

892
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: like you've got an audition. And I was like, so

893
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like front desk and cleaning toilets

894
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: and he's like, what are you doing. I was like,

895
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to bleed my Australian cash, like I'm

896
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: here for long game, like I want to be able

897
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: to buy my groceries. And so I think it's like

898
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: this weird kind of like death of the ego and

899
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: then resilience that comes so I can afford to be

900
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: in acting classes and still do everything I want to

901
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: do in LA. But it's that I think the difference

902
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: between like burning out in La versus it's like having

903
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: that gumption of like, let's just sit in the discomfort.

904
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I had, my experience was slightly different

905
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: to yours in that I had I had a wife, yeah,

906
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 4: and a baby, and then we had another kid while

907
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: we were there.

908
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wild so but that but that's sometimes that actually

909
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: I think was was my saving grace.

910
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 4: First of all, Sonya got a job, so she was

911
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 4: actually had a full time job at UCLA working puctual

912
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 4: manager in there amazing department of Film, Theater and TV,

913
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 4: but mainly in the theater department. So that was kind

914
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: of like you know, but things like childcare and shit,

915
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 4: that's all super expensive. But just to have someone else,

916
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 4: it's on the same it's in the same you know,

917
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: we're on the same trajectories each other. It can be

918
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 4: quite lonely if you're there by yourself, I know that

919
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: for a fact, But so we were always there together.

920
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was you know, when things got really shitty.

921
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: It has still teammate this Yeah.

922
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 4: And that actually sometimes that sometimes that can be something

923
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 4: that drives people apart because we also had a you know,

924
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 4: we also had a tricky kind of family life with

925
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 4: our kids that are neurodivergent, you know. So yeah, it's

926
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: it just adds another layer of complexity, and that sort

927
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 4: of thing can sometimes break break up couples because it's

928
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: so crazy or it can govnize being which just yeah,

929
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: absolutely what happened.

930
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: So oh, I love that, though you hagitate. This is

931
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: the first start.

932
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 2: So I've been doing this three years, back and forth,

933
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 2: six months, six months, six months, and my boyfriend just

934
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: got his visa so we finally go over together next

935
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: year for the first time.

936
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: I've got a what is it, a no one.

937
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: He's a composer.

938
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he can go over on a visa and

939
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 2: I'm sure be way more successful than me straight out

940
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 2: of the gate because it's like such a different world.

941
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: But I think having that sounding when you go home

942
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: as a.

943
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: Posed for I've got to wait for Australia to wake

944
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: up before i can call my partner, you know what

945
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 2: I mean. But thank you for sharing so much about LA.

946
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: Would you go back?

947
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 4: Like if the we've thought about that, we wouldn't go

948
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 4: back under the same circumstances we wouldn't just go right,

949
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 4: let's pack up everything here in Australia and just go

950
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 4: to America and just arrive, you know what I mean.

951
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 4: So it would be more like I just did an

952
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 4: audition for I think we got Chris Chris Pratt in

953
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 4: it and Tallet Kitchen and stuff like that. It's fun

954
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 4: if that happened, you know, series Regular. Yeah, you know,

955
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 4: I think it's Amazon or something.

956
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: But away you go, you know, we'd go.

957
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: We've got a plan, you're set up.

958
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know if I had a job over there,

959
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: that and then we would go back.

960
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: Do you like La? Other than that?

961
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: I love La And that's the thing we we miss it.

962
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a strange thing, like you know how it

963
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: can be so brutal on you and so unforgiving, But

964
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: it's really a city of dualities, right. It's kind of

965
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 4: a you know, because there's the weather's always so beautiful,

966
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 4: and the beaches and this with kids and stuff, there's

967
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 4: so much to do. There's all the walks, and there's

968
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 4: all these great parks, and there's all these great little

969
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: museums and stuff like that for kids, and so it's

970
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 4: it's actually a great place to live. If you can

971
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 4: afford to live there. It's a great play.

972
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: I love it.

973
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 4: Yeahever I go back there, you know, it's You've still

974
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: got mates over there. So if ever I'm going to

975
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: Chicago something, I'll always do a stopover and for.

976
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: Like a week, yeah, for for five days and stuff,

977
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 3: and it's great. It's it's lovely, and.

978
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: I like the energy over there that anything can happen

979
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: like and it can.

980
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 2: Like I was in an acting class right before I

981
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 2: flew back, and the teacher goes come back on time

982
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: after lunch and Jen Aniston just taught us for the

983
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: whole harve like just surprised because the stripe was on

984
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: and all that kind of thing, and that wouldn't obviously

985
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: happen in Australia.

986
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: So you do get these moments of just like holy Mac.

987
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: And then when you're in acting school you can be

988
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: drive home along sunset that night and see an actor

989
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: from class up on a billboard like that, feeling.

990
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: Like you're in the melting pot.

991
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 4: That's also part of the whole failure success symbiosis, I think,

992
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 4: because you do you see it, You see it happen

993
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 4: all the time where people go they're off you know,

994
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 4: they're stratisferic bang. So it sometimes can compound your own

995
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 4: feeling of failure if you're seeing there going, my best

996
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: mate just booked a fucking riper role on some you

997
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 4: know series, regular thing, and he is off to the races.

998
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: He's going to buy a house and thing, and here

999
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 4: I am still struggling my guts out and just struggling

1000
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 4: to keep and I have to borrow money off my dad.

1001
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 4: And it's like, so you see it, you see it happen.

1002
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: But the thing is that also because it goes hand

1003
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 4: in hand, you go, if it can happen to him,

1004
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: it can happen to me. And it was merely it

1005
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 4: was a split moment that some producer went him and

1006
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 4: all of a sudden he's off, And if it can

1007
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 4: happen to him, it can happen to me. And I've

1008
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 4: got to stay in I've got to stay in it,

1009
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: and I've got to back myself. And you kind of

1010
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 4: keep getting encouragement from your manager and your agent whatever going.

1011
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: You know, they say things like Bernie Man, you're not

1012
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: far off Man.

1013
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 4: You know you're getting you're getting producers, you go into

1014
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 4: network tasks, you go, you know you're getting out the

1015
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 4: last two last four.

1016
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: You know, it's a matter of time, and you go,

1017
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 3: I want to believe that. I want to believe that it's.

1018
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 4: A matter of time before well I'm I'm that and

1019
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 4: I'm stratisferic.

1020
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: But there's no guarantee it doesn't.

1021
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: There is not a guarantee that when your agent says

1022
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 4: it's a matter of time, Bernie is going to happen.

1023
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 4: You go, I really want to believe that, but there

1024
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: is no guarantee you might be.

1025
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. You kind of go. It's like

1026
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: when I sit at the at the I try and

1027
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 3: think of positives, right, or positives, and I go.

1028
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 4: When I'm sitting at a at a like an eater

1029
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 4: section and you just can't get out, I'm like, maybe

1030
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 4: I can break a record here, maybe I can like

1031
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 4: twenty four hours. And it's this recond I go, I

1032
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: said this at a at an intersection for twenty four

1033
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 4: hours and I could not.

1034
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 3: Get through stuff. That's a record, a world fucking record.

1035
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: You're the only person whose brain would go there, I

1036
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: feel right, you know. So the thing is that's good.

1037
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: The thing is you go then then you kind of go,

1038
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: maybe I can break the world record of people who

1039
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 4: have gone to the last two on that many jobs

1040
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 4: and never got the job. If you kind of think

1041
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 4: of it that way, then the thing is it's going

1042
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 4: to work against you and go, wow, you got the

1043
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 4: job this time.

1044
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: You go fuck you. I just you know, gain the system,

1045
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: you know.

1046
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 4: But it's you know, that's the that's my kind of

1047
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 4: eternally positive sort of outlook on things.

1048
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: But I think that's I think the eternally positive, eternally

1049
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: positive thing.

1050
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: It's got it. I believe it's work.

1051
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: Like looking at your body of work and also being

1052
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: lucky enough to see you do theater a few weeks ago,

1053
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: I think it's paying off for you for a friend,

1054
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: like you've got such a beautiful career that I would

1055
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: definitely be celebrating, and again to see you like I've

1056
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 2: obviously never seen you on a set, but like seeing

1057
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: your work as a consumer and as a now advert

1058
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: Wentworth fan and then seeing you in a Christmas car,

1059
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, like your energy. I don't

1060
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: think you're ever gonna wake up twenty thirty years down

1061
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: the line with regret. I think you're going to be

1062
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 2: like I did that thing I love and I gave

1063
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: it freaking red hot, shake ye, and like to me,

1064
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: this reads like I mean it with such success and

1065
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: even like when I talk to mates.

1066
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: They're like, are you kidding? People be so jealous of

1067
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: everything you've done. I'm like, what are you talking? Like

1068
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: we kind of get in our own head about that,

1069
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: but I look at what you've.

1070
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: Done, and it's like so inspiring to see, and it's

1071
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: so nice that you do do like a bit of

1072
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 2: coaching and teaching too, because like what a cool gift

1073
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: to share with like young hopeful actors. And I guess

1074
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: that's what I want to ask, like to a young

1075
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: actor that might be listening to this, or a greener actor, like,

1076
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: what is like your like pearl advice?

1077
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: I had last night?

1078
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 4: Actually we're doing the show and I came out the

1079
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 4: stage door and this friend of mine or a friend

1080
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: of Sonya's, who who works with son and she came

1081
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 4: with her sister and her sister's kids. These two kids.

1082
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: One of them was this little girl. She was about

1083
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 4: I know, probably about oh, I think she was eleven.

1084
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 4: She was the same age as Banjo, my youngest, and

1085
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 4: she just kind of had stars in her eyes, you know.

1086
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 4: She was and I was like, and she got there said, oh,

1087
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 4: she's a bit starstruck. And I'm like, what do you

1088
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 4: mean she and they said, oh, you know, she just

1089
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 4: she wants to be an actor, because she she said,

1090
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 4: you know, she she was just did the production of

1091
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 4: something at school and she was really great and she

1092
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 4: loves it.

1093
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: And then I looked at her and.

1094
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 4: I said, this is what I often say to, you know,

1095
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: two young actors and stuff. I say, if you love it,

1096
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 4: if you love it, do it, and that's the thing.

1097
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 4: And but if you don't love it, then don't do it.

1098
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 4: Don't do it because you want to become a star

1099
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 4: or whatever. Do it because you just can't do anything else.

1100
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: And I feel like that's the reason why I do it.

1101
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 4: I mean, there'd be so many reasons for me to go,

1102
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 4: I'm not doing this job anymore because it's too hard

1103
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 4: or it's too you know, it's not it's not you know,

1104
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 4: it's not it's not guaranteed enough, like of like a

1105
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 4: paycheck every week. You know. But like you said, when

1106
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: I'm on stage, when I'm working on TV or film, whatever,

1107
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 4: I can't imagine doing anything else. So the advice is

1108
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 4: find no matter what it is, and it's advice to anyone,

1109
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: not just an actor, but find someone new something, and

1110
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 4: it's it's pretty common advice. Find something you love to

1111
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 4: do and do that and somehow make it, make that

1112
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 4: your career, or find out how to get paid for

1113
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: doing that, you know what I mean. There's even you know,

1114
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 4: kind of young kind of nerds who who play video

1115
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 4: games for a living.

1116
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, because that's what my kids

1117
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 3: would say, Well, I love playing video games, so can

1118
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: I get paid to do that?

1119
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: Now I've got friends that have done that.

1120
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah you can.

1121
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 4: But you know, but so it's just do what you

1122
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: love because I've just you know, too many times you

1123
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 4: see people and you go, hey, man, what's going on?

1124
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: They go, God, fucking hate my job? Why do it?

1125
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 4: And I get I get that sometimes times people feel

1126
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: like that and have a choice. I've got to do

1127
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 4: a job that pays money because I need to make money,

1128
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1129
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of social expectation and all that

1130
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: kind of thing.

1131
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 4: But sort of sacrificing your own sort of I guess

1132
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 4: happiness or your or your progression, you know, or you're

1133
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 4: just to satisfaction in life by doing a job that

1134
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 4: you hate is to me like a waste of time.

1135
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: Agreed.

1136
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 4: And you know, and I look, you know, and I

1137
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 4: really appreciate you saying that my career looks good on paper,

1138
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: you know.

1139
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: And I do. And I have done a lot of

1140
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: jobs and I've loved every one of them.

1141
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: And I always have a thing of like, as talking

1142
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 4: about agent before, because we're just in negotiations and it

1143
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 4: looks like I'm about to do a big film next

1144
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 4: year in starts in January, you know, So that's that's

1145
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 4: going to be great. It's going to be But I said,

1146
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 4: I said, you know, you know, it's like there are

1147
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 4: a couple of things that I have to sort of sacrifice.

1148
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: When I'm saying, you know what, I'm going to get

1149
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: on there and be just I'm going to love it.

1150
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 4: Who cares I'm going to go They might pay me

1151
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 4: zero money or not have any trailers or not. You know,

1152
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, but I just get there and I go,

1153
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: I'm working, man, I'm doing what I love doing.

1154
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: Why would I complain?

1155
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 4: So I'm always I always feel a sense of gratitude

1156
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 4: with with what I'm doing. Like you have to have

1157
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 4: that because that's where you get the satisfaction. I'm really

1158
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 4: grateful to be in this job. And then you know,

1159
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 4: doing a Christmas Carol and stuff. And it's when I

1160
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 4: was saying to before about Wentworth being for me a

1161
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 4: pinnacle of my of my experience as an actor and stuff.

1162
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 4: You know, you're always what I am always striving for

1163
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 4: is to get another pinnacle. And I feel like Wentworth

1164
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 4: was one thing, and I feel like doing these two

1165
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: years of a Christmas Carol has gone a step up.

1166
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: Theater is a whole distress.

1167
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: It's all different.

1168
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: Which do you love more or you can't. That's not fair.

1169
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: It's hard to say.

1170
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 4: I don't really you know, I'm not really I don't

1171
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 4: really think I'm a theater person.

1172
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 3: And there you fully look like, yeah, I'm definitely enjoying it.

1173
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 4: I love the experience and I love being on stage,

1174
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 4: and I love the immediate feedback of the audience.

1175
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 2: I love working with tiny tim like that, of course,

1176
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: and all actors say, don't work with kids or animals,

1177
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: and you do.

1178
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: You nail it for yeah, yeah, thank you.

1179
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 4: But the theater thing for me, because there are theater

1180
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 4: people and there are musical theater people as well, and stuff,

1181
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 4: and what I've learned through this experience is that invariably

1182
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 4: the majority of people who are doing this kind of

1183
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 4: stuff don't have kids, because a lot of these musicals,

1184
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 4: well they're they're touring production. So you do more en roads.

1185
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 4: You goes, Okay, we're gonna do yeah, three months in Melbourne.

1186
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 4: I mean to go to Sydney, you go to Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth,

1187
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 4: and it's like eight shows a week, eight shows a week.

1188
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 4: Then you do touring up into Southeast Asia and stuff

1189
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 4: like that. So if you've got kids anywhere between say

1190
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 4: two years old and seventeen or eighteen, you can't do that.

1191
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 3: You can't do the touring lifestyle.

1192
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 4: So almost invariably the people in those productions don't have kids,

1193
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 4: got it. They might be adults, they might be older,

1194
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 4: but they won't have kids. So all the kids have

1195
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 4: grown up or whatever. So, but sometimes you do local

1196
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 4: productions and stuff. MTC is always you know, so I've

1197
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 4: done I've done some work, you know. So, but some

1198
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 4: there there are people that that all they want to

1199
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 4: do is theater and they be passionate about it.

1200
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it when I'm doing it.

1201
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: I love the challenge of doing theater.

1202
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: But you know, I sort of feel as though if

1203
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 4: I keep, you know, kind of doing all of this

1204
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 4: theater stuff, then that there's someone out there who really

1205
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 4: really is passionate about it that will miss out on

1206
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: that job.

1207
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: You know.

1208
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: So I I just do whatever whatever.

1209
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 4: Comes up and whatever challenges kind of are presented, and

1210
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 4: you know, as long as I'm getting something out of it.

1211
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't do a role if it's just

1212
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 4: like Policeman number two knocking a door, where were you

1213
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 4: on Tuesday night kind of thing.

1214
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: You know, it has to you have to have some

1215
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: impact on the narrative and the whole thing and feel

1216
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: connected in some way. Yeah, So if if.

1217
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: There's something that that presents that to me, I'll do it,

1218
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,479
Speaker 4: you know. And I'm not sort of precious about about work,

1219
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 4: and I just you know, because I feel like I'm

1220
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 4: a jobbing actor, you.

1221
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: Know, and I do work over you're the quintessential working actor.

1222
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 4: I feel the job I like to just job, job, job,

1223
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 4: job job. And you know, some people go, I'm not

1224
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 4: going to do that. It's not enough to cache when

1225
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 4: you do a big star and roll stuff. I'm like,

1226
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: fuck it, I'll just do you know, whatever. Plus the

1227
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 4: voiceover thing, you know, for me is going really well

1228
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 4: at the moment, and that's just jobbing, jobbing job.

1229
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: It's so fun too.

1230
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: I love voiceover.

1231
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so much right.

1232
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 4: And I've an't got set up my own little voice

1233
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 4: in my studio and stuff so I can do source

1234
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 4: connect with people around the world and stuff like that.

1235
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 4: So it's a it's a you know, it's a great

1236
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 4: and then that's another source of revenue source and stuff.

1237
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 4: So you kind of, you know, as an actor you

1238
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 4: do need to try and diversify yourself in terms of

1239
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 4: your revenue sources. I play music, I play I play

1240
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 4: guitar and sing in a band, and you know, kind

1241
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 4: of and that's all part of the whole performing kind

1242
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 4: of umbrella.

1243
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: You know, so lucky.

1244
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: Look at all this talent, my fi. I could talk

1245
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: to you all day long. But my fine question is

1246
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: do you have a moment before you either go on

1247
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: set or go on stage. It might be different because

1248
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: you're obviously playing different characters, but do you have like

1249
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: a little like some actors will listen to certain music,

1250
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: Do you have like a certain like moment or is

1251
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: it just like to be connected to the character and grateful, like.

1252
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I don't have a sort of a specific process.

1253
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: Some people have a you know, are very.

1254
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: Especially if your topic trains.

1255
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: Some people have a very God I couldn't make the

1256
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: twelve step things just like I was like, look, you

1257
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 4: know it's great, it's a great and I enjoyed it

1258
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 4: for this particular experience of doing the master class.

1259
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to I'm not going to cast someone,

1260
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: you know, for every job.

1261
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 4: I'm not going to go okay, step one, step two,

1262
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 4: or for substitutions all this kind of thing and stuff

1263
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 4: for every scene that I do.

1264
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: It's just handy to know when another actor is doing

1265
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: it on set though, because especially if they're casting you

1266
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: as somebody else or method acting and not engaging with

1267
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: you because they're choosing to method dark. You know, like

1268
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: it's handy to understand all the different techniques. You're like, oh,

1269
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: there's a misner person, there's a tropic. But like it

1270
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: is kind of handy.

1271
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, But in terms of this experience that I'm working

1272
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 4: at the moment, which is the Christmas Carol, there's a

1273
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 4: few scenes where I have to come out, like there's

1274
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 4: a sort of this death scene and then there's a

1275
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 4: sort of funeral scene, so I do take a moment

1276
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 4: just to drop into the what I need to where

1277
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 4: I need to be character wised just before the scene.

1278
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 3: But sometimes I.

1279
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 4: Mean, on this production, one of the reasons I love

1280
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 4: it so much is I'm not just playing Bob Cratchett.

1281
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 3: So I go to mind you and then you're.

1282
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 4: Running running off stage and you're putting on these narrated

1283
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 4: coach coming on with a lantern and singing their songs

1284
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 4: and stuff.

1285
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 3: So you don't spend much time off stage. You know.

1286
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: Normally, you know, if you're just playing one character, you

1287
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 4: go and sit in you this is my half an

1288
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 4: hour because there's all this shit that's going on stage when.

1289
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: I'm not in.

1290
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 4: But whereas we're always on off the whole time, so

1291
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 4: there's not a lot of time. Sometimes I'm like, you know,

1292
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 4: I have to underdress the whole out jacket for Bob

1293
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 4: Cratchit and then put the yeah, narrator's coat at the

1294
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 4: top of that, taking off the rounded coat, taking the hat,

1295
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 4: put a new hat on and stuff, and then you're

1296
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 4: on sort of thing. But I can there's always within

1297
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 4: that track a moment where I go, okay, you know,

1298
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 4: just and just kind of just selling anything. And then

1299
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 4: then I picked pick the child up and run on

1300
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 4: stage and screaming and you know sort of stuff. So

1301
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 4: it's just it's just a little kind of a just

1302
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 4: a prep that just happens just before to kind of

1303
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 4: get into the moment.

1304
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: I guess thank you for sharing that.

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00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: A lot of actors don't share their little like some

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Speaker 2: people are quite secretive about.

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Speaker 3: Oh it doesn't bring me up.

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00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a sharer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm being to Curry.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for jumping on the pod.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I felt like it was kind of selfish because I'm like, oh, so,

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Speaker 1: what did you do in LA? What do you like?

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Speaker 1: I'm learning? I feel like it's fun.

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Speaker 4: But we we both share as an experience, which is

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Speaker 4: you know we're talking about because different people's experiences are

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Speaker 4: going to be different, aren't they. But you can also

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Speaker 4: use someone's experience to kind of to kind of go, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I had a similar thing and sort of yeah, And

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Speaker 4: it's always a good conversation kind of starter when you

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00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 4: share an experience and you can talk about it and

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Speaker 4: go oh yeah, I totally get where.

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Speaker 1: You're coming from you know, yeah, yeah, big time. You

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Speaker 1: are wonderful.

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Speaker 2: My friend to the listener, A Christmas Carol is on

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00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 2: till January seventh, extending, and you were.

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Speaker 1: Such a joy to watch, No, you were.

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Speaker 2: The person sitting behind me said at the end of

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Speaker 2: the show, Oh, my cheeks are hurting from smiling so much.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, that is a comfort, Like, what a

1331
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: great thing to say at the end of the show.

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Speaker 3: We're getting.

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00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 4: We're getting truly amazing responses from the audiences that are

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00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 4: often affected in a truly profound way.

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Speaker 3: You know this, you know, people crying and.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I always think affected really really emotionally.

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Speaker 1: And theater does that though.

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Speaker 2: There's something because it's a collective and you're just like, oh,

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00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 2: it's so much fun to watch.

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00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 4: And this production it is beautifully staged, beautifully lip and

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00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 4: the sound and the music is all it's really it's

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00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 4: a truly kind of magical production, you know, and it's

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00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: I like to say, it's got something for everyone, Like

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00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 4: it's you could be the most hardened theater critic sort

1346
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 4: of thing and go, oh my gosh, what a wonderful action,

1347
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 4: or you might never see go to theater once in

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00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 4: a blue moon and go wow, it was amazing.

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Speaker 2: So now it was something it's unreal. Thank you so much, friend,

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00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: total honor to have.

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Speaker 1: You on the show.

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00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: I'll do it anytime, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Legend, I'll hold it out.

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Speaker 3: All right. Good.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.

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Speaker 1: As always, thank.

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Speaker 2: You to our guests, and let's continue the conversation on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my word for podcast

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Speaker 2: is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love it if

1360
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: you could subscribe, rate and comment and of course spread

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Speaker 2: the love.