WEBVTT - THE SURVIVOR WINNING EDIT WITH MARK WALES! 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.000 TV Reload the podcast last week they light Welcome back 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.039 to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and on this 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.280 podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.640 in television. Each episode you will get a front row 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:19.560 seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors and 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.400 casting agents, plus the talent that we see on our screens. 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.400 TV Reload reloads the shows that you were currently watching 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.800 and gives you a better insight at our television industry 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.440 and streaming services today. On the podcast, I have the 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.600 winner of Australian Survivors Blood versus Water Mark Wales, which 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:42.440 had its twenty twenty two season finale this week. Former 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:47.080 Sas Soldier, author and now public speaker, Mark Wales returned 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.960 to Australian Survivor with his now wife Samantha, who he 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.680 met on season two of Australian Survivor all those years ago. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.240 The pair a now married with a son, but they 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.840 decided to return for a second At the competition, Mark 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.760 and sam operated a gameplay which proved to be a 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.280 winning formula. As he celebrates a win of half a 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.440 million dollars, we will talk about everything from edits good 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.319 and bad, to relationships, from ownerships over the winning title 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.319 to building bridges. Stick around as well if you want 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.360 some tips on how to get onto Australian Survivor as 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.120 Mark gives some great advice and let's face it, he 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.800 should know. Plus, there is so much more to this chat, 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.199 and I think you'll walk away feeling happy for Mark 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.120 that he took out this competition because you'll get to 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:38.440 see more of that humor than everyone widely discussed postgame. Anyway, 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.880 I'd like to welcome Mark Wales to TV reload. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.400 That was probably one of my bigger regrets. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.640 If good body, you loved one, you're going to be 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.120 playing against them. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.360 It's harder to cast villains than it is the heroes. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.680 Survivor means everything to me because it changed the. 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:56.760 Course of my life. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.600 It wasn't too bad. You know, there's always some crazies 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:00.000 out there. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.920 Marks game similar to mine, and Mark's had too idle. Yeah, 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.640 it was tricky at times, but I think we got 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:06.760 thicker skin as we went along. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.600 When I was very survivor blood versus water. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.200 Don't try and fight the edit too much. I think 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:14.440 that's when people get it wrong. 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:16.720 Hi Mark, How are you, mate? 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.160 I am I'm good. I'm just letting this win sink in. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.360 Only got told twenty four hours ago, so it's been. 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.480 A while on last last twenty four hours. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.200 Well, congratulations on winning Australian Survivor twenty twenty two. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:33.720 That is amazing, Oh mate, Such an honor to get 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.840 a second shot of the game and to go all 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.840 the way through with my wife Sammy was pretty cool. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.239 Well, last night must have been quite surreal because, as 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.720 we know, you were told beforehand and they had shot 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:49.320 multiple versions of who was going to win. Was it 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.160 surreal to watch it play out, you know, knowing that 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.680 you'd film the sort of mock endings, or were you 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.400 worried as to how it was going to go down? 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:57.600 Tell me how you felt. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.000 It was good watching it back because I got more 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.760 of an appreciation for the other contestants pitches as well, 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:04.119 and actually did really well. 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.799 Christy's pitch was great. Shade did a good pitch. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.799 Too, So when I was watching, I was like, oh God, 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:10.440 I think they're going to edge me out. So I 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.240 was getting nervous last night when I was watching it 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:14.240 for the first time. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.960 Yeah, Channel ten, prank to you when they told you 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.919 you've won half a million dollars and watched tonight's episode 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.320 and then it plays on television. You'd never get over it. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:24.239 You'd have a breakdown. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.880 You would have a mental breakdown. It is very likely. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:32.120 My favorite tweet online was Bark has gotten a wife, 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.640 a child, and half a million dollars out of Survivor. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:37.720 Here's the luckiest man alive. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:40.720 I would have to agree with that. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.560 I've done very well myself with the game, and it 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.360 was cool because when Sam and I played first time, 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.720 we always were like, ah, we could have done better, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.760 and getting a second shot at it was really cool 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.000 because I think we made the most of the game, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.040 but first time through it, yeah, I met my wife 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:58.640 and totally changed my life. 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.120 So it's been great forget to is what I say. 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.920 Get yourself onto the show. We've got a better strike 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:05.720 rate than the Bachelor. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:06.360 Off with you. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.920 How hard was it to keep it a secret? I mean, 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.880 there was a few things happening. Sports Bet had you 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.280 at some pretty good holds, but I'm assuming there was 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:15.760 a bit. There would have been a lot of attention 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.880 from friends and families and strangers and people online wanting 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.640 to know results. How did you manage to keep this 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:22.200 a secret. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.600 I would just say, you know, I'll just say I 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.160 think you're don'll like the way it unfolds, and I 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.039 would say I would talk about that I was in 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.400 jury Villa, so I would try not to give away 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.239 that I was at at the end of the game. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.200 And we still know who was going to win at 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.000 that point, so it wasn't too bad. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.240 People were People don't want to it's spoiled. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:40.960 Generally, if they're fans of the game, they want to 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.719 watch it enjoy it, so it wasn't too bad. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:44.320 Did you put any money on yourself? 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.440 Oh, mate, Doug deep scrape some money to the end 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.040 with Sammy, and I think the odds were that good anyway, 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:51.360 so there's probably no point doing. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.440 It inside of training. Going to jail for dollar fifty. 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.599 Not great, bad strategy. 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.960 I always wanted to know, though, what kind of conversation 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.080 are they having with you about keeping your mouth shut 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.039 when it comes to keeping a secret like this. Do 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:06.480 they offer you a cash incentive? 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.120 They basically put it in the contract that you don't 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.560 share any results of the game. And because everyone who's 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.039 in it is a fan anyway, people are reluctant to 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.320 share the results of the game, so people do a 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.320 pretty good job of being quiet about it. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.680 How hard is playing Australian Survivor with your partner to 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.719 be married and have a son? And were you worried 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:28.360 that this could change your relationship at all? 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:29.480 Yeah, I was worried. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.559 And we were the only husband wife care out there, 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.560 and the stresses and strains of that are pretty acute, 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.800 and we were worried that like one would. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.240 Get knocked out early and the other would go all 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.120 the way through so it wouldn't be an evening experience. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.520 But it was so hard, and sam knew she was 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.240 in trouble, and when we were the last couple, she 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.000 knew there was a good chance she was going home, 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.120 and she kind of took that knowing that it was 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.359 there was still a path forward, and I think it 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.360 was one of the most selfless moves ever an Australian Survivor. 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.400 And one of the reasons I got as far as 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.000 I did was because I stood on the shoulders of 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.240 Sammy's game. She played so well, she. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.040 Played better than me, and I think we played as 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.520 a pair and as a unit to try and get 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.120 that one job done, which was to win and we're 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:13.720 lucky we did. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.480 Have you given her an allowance. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.719 No, she's like very clear as you know, that's that's 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:19.239 our prize. 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.320 Like, yes, your wife is one of the most intelligent 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.240 people on television in twenty twenty two. So I'm going 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.760 to say you're in good hands. She's not going to 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:30.960 go and put it all through the Pokey's. 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.039 She did so well in the game too, Like she 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:37.120 totally outplayed me. 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:38.960 I will freely admit that. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.279 And so you know it is definitely it was such 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.400 a team effort, and I'm so proud of how far 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:45.920 she came from the first time we played. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.160 I don't even know her, and I felt proud of her. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.159 So I don't even know how you would feel. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:53.760 She's brilliant. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.960 You talked a pretty big game in your pieces to camera. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.960 Were there any cringe moments you watching it back? 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.080 There are too many to remember, because I was like, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:05.880 I'm going to be a bit more forward leading this time. 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.840 I'm going to do a bit of trash talking and. 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.080 Just just save my piece because I probably won't last 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.320 in the game. And so as I was going through, 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.160 I was like, at one point, I was like, this 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.720 is actually a really unlikable evid I don't even like 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.040 myself watching this, and I was just hoping there would 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.040 be those moments where they would soften me a bit 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.480 more as a character, because you didn't see much of 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.120 my social game and all those things that made me 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:27.960 a bit more human. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:29.920 I think it worked out pretty well on the end. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.760 Because I've spoken to everyone that's come off the show. 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:33.360 There's maybe three or four at the start that I 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.520 didn't speak to, but everyone talked about how likable you were, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.560 and it wouldn't have been a great show to watch 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.280 had they not have maybe stupefied you a little bit 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:44.240 for the audience. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.680 Yeah, I think it makes a more relatable character that 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.080 you've got these flaws and these things about and they 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.720 are really I act like that sometimes, I'm a bit crazy, 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.160 I'm a bit hard nosed, and I've got that mean 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.640 streaking me and they showed that. Even though it kind 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.720 of hurts when they show that not the other good stuff, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.920 it does make for a more relatable character. It makes 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.720 for a more interesting show. Yeah, I'm just grateful they 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.840 cut it the way they didn't, and they gave me 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:13.680 some nice moments at the end to try. 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.640 And bounce it out and they paid you off. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.360 And they said, yeah, don't ever say anything again about this. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.200 I gave you half a million dollars. Now, don't say 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:23.400 anything to anyone. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.720 Go away, and. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.640 For the rest of your life, please answer all phone 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:31.120 calls as the Dark Knight. Thank you very much. Exactly 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:36.080 What is the biggest fight that you and Sam have 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.560 had postgame? Did the way you played the game, you know, 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.040 leading into Kahn's question at the jury last night, actually 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.600 have any real consequences between the two of you. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:49.560 Yeah, So Sam, like Sam is all she works, She 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.320 does women's groups, she works in women's empowerment. So for 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.800 her to end up surrendering part of a game for 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.640 me was kind of rand, contrary to some of the 0:08:58.040 --> 0:08:58.800 normal values. 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.000 So we had to kind of try and reconcile that 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.000 and say, you know, well, we knew all we were 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.079 playing for, we knew. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.640 We had a job to do, and that was hard 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.920 for she made such a big sacrifice for the sake 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.240 of her family, and then I ended up being the 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.960 one that went forward and got the kind of flashy 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.000 part at the end. So she was incredibly selfless and 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.800 that that was the hardest thing I think for us 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.920 to reconcile as a pair. But you know, she did 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.079 such a good job, and luckily we had something to 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:25.959 show for it at the end. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.120 You can do strat talk for the rest of your life. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.199 We can now strat talk over dinner and annoy everyone 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:32.160 our families. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.880 How are you your son's going to be? Like parrots 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:40.120 are so daggy they're still talking about survivor ten years later. 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.479 Oh wait, that's me talking about ten years later. Embarrassing. 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.200 Kind of feel like you and Sam knew all along 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.439 that a person on the jury early into the jury 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.160 was going to be vital. Surely Sam was still playing 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.679 the game once she got onto the jury. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.920 Right, Yeah, it kind of evolved that way because as 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.120 we were playing, we got f and further as a pair. 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.480 At one point, we're starting to go like, there's actually 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.280 more people on the bench now than there are in 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.360 the game, so we're going to be split up. Like 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.079 it's just with the last pair, we're going to be 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.360 split up. Let's just let that person go to the bench, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.040 whoever it is me or they can continue playing over 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.280 there with the majority explain our game, or the other 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.280 one tries to go ahead to idols. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:21.560 So it kind of evolves to. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.320 The point we realize that we actually we need to 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.520 get someone to the bench kind of soon, because that's 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.679 you know, we've got a better chance if we split up, 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:29.679 is kind of what we're thinking. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.640 Yeah, Kahn's probably really bored of going to sleep at 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.520 night and hearing stories. Did you hear about that time 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.680 that Mark walked an old lady across the road? 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.320 Exactly? Nice? 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.640 Put the water on the whale, Sam, He's like bored 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.600 of telling stories about how amazing you are never again. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.600 Do you think that your win was a win for 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.280 the both of you? Like, do you really think that 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.120 you know this is why it was such a unanimous vote. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:57.880 I mean, we already touched on the fact that, yes, 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.079 you agree that this is a up winning this show, 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.240 But do you think that that was the reason why 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:04.600 we got a unanimous vote. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.360 I think it was a big part because Sam was 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.880 able to explain like, no, no, we were playing together, 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.800 knowing that one would leave, we would continue playing as 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.000 a unit. And I think people were impressed by that, like, 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.000 oh no, that's the thing, blood versus water. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:20.760 You cooperated as a pair. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.600 And so I think once the jury realized that it 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.559 was like oh no, no, we were willing to sacrifice 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.960 our games so the other one could go forward. That 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.960 really got us a lot of kudos with the jury, 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.160 so I think it was to Sam's credit she was 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:34.760 able to do it. 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.920 I think that they should do a bad Blood versus 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:41.000 Bad Blood version of and have your exes on the show. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:46.520 Then your ex goes to the jury villa and it's like, well, he's. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.040 That would be a blood bath. That would be yeah, 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:51.720 but very good, very good TV. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.360 We'll pitch it. We'll pitch it to shine. Well, you've 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.040 got some money, we'll see you know, we could do 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:04.480 our own show anyway. Moving on, what would be your 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.319 biggest regret throughout the show? Like, what would be the 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.079 biggest regret from your experience? 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.360 There were some moves I made that were just duds, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.839 and I think I was trying to make a move 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.079 out of nothing when I played the second I didn't 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.400 really need to antagonize the jury while I was doing it. 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.840 It was just it was an all round bit of 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.000 a flop. So I think as bad a move as 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.640 that was, after Sam did all that work to get 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.800 the idol and everything, I actually think it lowered my 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.440 threat profile a bit more too, So that was a 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.240 dud move, but it ended up with a kind of 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.200 a happy byproduct as a result, So that was probably 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:43.320 one of my bigger regrets. And everything else, even though 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.760 it wasn't perfect, the moves were enough to get us 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.040 to the end, so I think in that sense it 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.360 was I don't have too many regrets about it. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.679 And I really love watching when someone says that they 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.559 can read someone really well and then they go and 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.920 play an idol unnecessarily. I think it just makes good 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.880 television and it's good for you. It's good to keep 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.640 your ego in check a little, Hay. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.400 There were so many moments in the game that kept 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.440 my ego and check, and Sam was good at that too. 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.480 You're a great person to ask this question too, about 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.480 the conditions of Survivor. Because you've been through two different 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.400 seasons in two different locations. Do you think that the 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.000 conditions were too harsh this time around? 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:24.439 Ah? 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.480 No, because it's going to be tough no matter where 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.600 he goes, with a different kind of environment to deal 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.920 with the tropics. When I played first time with Horrendous, 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.640 it rained all night. We couldn't sleep. We were just a. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.160 Shell of ourselves here. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.640 It was hot, but once you're over that heat that 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.959 the nighttime was great, like nine andyrees and pretty nice. 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.760 So I think it was more bearable being in Australia. 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:48.320 It was hort but once you got used to it 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:48.839 real fine. 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:50.600 Do you think they should keep making it in Australia 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.679 because I love watching Australia on screen, you know, And 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.480 I don't think it does to turn the viewers, you know. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.439 I don't think we need to have it in Fiji. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.280 I think it's quite amazing to have Australia being showcased, 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:02.240 our beautiful country. 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.679 Oh. I think it's sensational. I really love it. 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.680 Interestingly, I heard from the producers they said it's actually 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:11.559 harder for them to film it because in the jungle 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.040 you can kind of step five minutes into the scrub 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.719 and you're concealed straight away, so you can have a 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.400 little conversation there, whereas there's not as much vegetation in 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.480 the Australian one, so they have to cover more ground. 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.840 It's a little bit harder to produce. 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.000 Maybe you get a little bit less gameplay in that sense, 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.360 but still I just love that it's in Australia. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:30.520 I think it's spectacular. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.320 Well, I think they're lying because they just want to 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:32.960 go to Fiji. 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:34.600 That is probably what they're saying. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.080 We need to go back, we need the beers, the 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:38.920 good serf. 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.560 I guess it's a little bit enticing, but surely yeah, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.520 I think as well. It can be cheaper to shoot 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.320 a lot of these shows overseas, so I think that 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.640 there are there's the good side of the bad side. 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:48.960 Yeah. 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.160 I think they get a pretty solid subsidy from the 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.080 Fijian government to film over there, so it makes commercial sense. 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.720 Absolutely. There are a lot of conversations about the editing 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:03.160 this year. Yeah, was there anything ever Frank and grabbed 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.560 that you know it didn't sit well with you? 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.160 There were so many. Yeah, there are quite a few 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.600 little stitch ups in there. I'm just trying to remember 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:12.320 some good ones. 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:12.800 Yeah. 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.040 Probably the big one was when I found the idol 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.520 first time and they were making it look like I 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.120 didn't know that Jordi had seen it, whereas I knew 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.960 he was on to me, And so they do little 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.480 cuts like that. They makes it more interesting viewing, right, 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.200 and so some of those stitch ups are pretty pretty funny. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.640 But it wasn't too bad. It wasn't like Math's level 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:33.120 of frank and editing. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.120 Yeah, it's interesting to see, you know, the passion that 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.120 is behind the istraland survivor. You know, the audience out 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.880 there have a sense of ownership and they really take 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.160 people to task. Last night, there was a lot of 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.800 people saying, did the Twins get asked any questions in 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.840 the filming of the final Tribal Council? And if so, 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.320 what did they say? Now, I don't want to get 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.600 into anything too heavy with this. I really would just 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.680 like the opportunity to know whether they asked a question 0:15:58.800 --> 0:15:59.960 and what was their es. 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.840 So I think Michelle asked Shay to rate her game 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.880 and rate it numerically, and Mel had a question too, 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.800 So everyone got a question, but they only cut I 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.040 feel like they only cut about five or six questions together, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.280 and there were twelve to fifteen kind of questions in 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.280 the jury. So yeah, it was a mix. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:19.880 But the editing. 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.160 The editing was a bit unusual. A few people got 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:23.840 cut out. The Twins got cut out quite a bit. 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.680 Josh played a stunning game and got not much of 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.520 an editor as well, which I thought was I was 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:29.640 really disappointing because I. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.760 Knew how well he played. Yes, it was unusual like that. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.800 But yeah, I think they were just trying to keep 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.040 Josh off the screen for as long as they could. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.320 They're worried that they'd be, you know, mass heart attacks 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.320 from the gay community of Australia. I felt really bad 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.880 creeping on him talking to him before about his amazing hair, 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:48.960 and you could see that he was like, I'm into 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.920 jiu jitsu or whatever. I'm a massculine man. I don't 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.520 necessarily need a weller hair commercial. You know, he was 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.800 not having he was not having a bar of it. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:03.520 I was so point that Josh stole best looking contestant 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:04.560 out there by a long way. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:06.720 But it was easy on the eye, it was great 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:07.800 to work with, loved it. 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.239 Yeah, by the time the show was over, all of 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.720 you were models. Like everyone looked like they'd been to 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.600 a pub lunch and how to Karma And then by 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.159 the time the show was over, everyone was like, Okay, 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.680 line cuisine endorsement for you. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:26.160 My friend I was super sized after the Melbourne lockdown 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.600 and yeah, I've been doing exactly that Palmer and DearS 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:30.920 and yeah, it looked like it when I started the 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:31.720