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Speaker 1: Your mom, put on your dance and shites, give me

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Speaker 1: your best shot and.

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Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Emma Gillespie joins us right now. Hello, Eba,

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Speaker 2: good morning friends. How are we today?

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Speaker 1: Very well? And today we're going to talk about Alec

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Speaker 1: Baldwin and he has now been charged with manslaughter over

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Speaker 1: the shooting death of the cinematographer on the film he

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Speaker 1: was executive producing and also starring in.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so this is a really interesting one to unpack.

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Speaker 2: You might remember back in twenty twenty one October headlines

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Speaker 2: about this story tragically. As you've mentioned, Amanda Helena Hutchins

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Speaker 2: is the name of a forty two year old cinematographer

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Speaker 2: who was struck and killed by a live round of

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Speaker 2: ammunition fired from a prop gun held by Baldwin. The

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Speaker 2: film's director was also wounded at the time, but he

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Speaker 2: survived the incident. He's okay. But now we know that

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Speaker 2: Alec Baldwin himself is going to be facing two counts

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Speaker 2: of involuntary manslaughter chargers. He's also so the armorer for

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Speaker 2: the film. Her name's hannahgateras read, so, her job was

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Speaker 2: basically to be the boss of all the weapons on set.

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Speaker 2: She's facing the same charges, which we sort of expected,

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Speaker 2: and she's maintained the entire time that it was not

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Speaker 2: her fault that Baldwin was responsible. She was only twenty

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Speaker 2: four when it happened. It was only her second ever

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Speaker 2: job as an armor arm Still well, Baldwin, he's always

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Speaker 2: placed responsibility on her. A lot of finger pointing in

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Speaker 2: this one ever since then. But there was this huge

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Speaker 2: investigation and we've since learned that they're both being charged.

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Speaker 2: But what has surprised everyone is that the first involuntary

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Speaker 2: manslaughter charge has a maximum penalty of eighteen months behind bars.

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Speaker 2: This second charge has a firearm enhancement is what it's called,

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Speaker 2: and it has a minimum mandatory five years in prison.

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Speaker 2: So if he has found guilty of that more serious

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Speaker 2: involuntary manslaughter charge, he would go to prison for five

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Speaker 2: years at minimum.

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Speaker 1: What I found interesting is that I thought he might

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Speaker 1: have been when I heard the man's sort of charges.

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Speaker 1: I thought maybe as executive producer, because you are in

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Speaker 1: charge of who you hire as an armorer and all

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Speaker 1: of those things, and also in a way the culture

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Speaker 1: of a shoot, because then you heard that also some

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Speaker 1: of the crew were mucking around and shooting tin cans

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Speaker 1: with the guns, et cetera. Yes, but he's been charged

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Speaker 1: as the actor.

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Speaker 2: So prosecutors have said that they think he had an

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Speaker 2: independent duty as the person handling the weapon to inspect

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Speaker 2: it himself, so that regardless of whether or not there

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Speaker 2: was an armorer or whoever handled the weapon on said

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Speaker 2: and whoever told him that it was a cold gun,

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Speaker 2: meaning there were no live rounds in it, that despite

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Speaker 2: all of that, there was still an onus on him

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Speaker 2: to make an independent inspection. And that's a big cause.

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Speaker 2: It's culpable. Yeah, it is a really big call. It's

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Speaker 2: sort of ruffled a lot of feathers because people are saying,

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Speaker 2: this is sort of the worst case scenario, that they've

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Speaker 2: thrown the book at him, really with the full force

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Speaker 2: of the law. But it remains to be seen, you know,

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Speaker 2: whether or not they can prove that this was something

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Speaker 2: more than an accident, because essentially, for that more serious charge,

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Speaker 2: that's what needs to be proved, that it was more

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Speaker 2: than an accident. And the coroner's report ruled the death

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Speaker 2: as accidental. Obviously huge tragedy. But you know, was it

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Speaker 2: an accident or not? I suppose, well, it was an accident.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't it. He was, Yeah, he didn't go to shoot.

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Speaker 1: All No, but man sort of might be not the

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Speaker 1: deliberate thing, but by there's a difference between accident and

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Speaker 1: your incompetence that may have led to it. Perhaps there's

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Speaker 1: some semantics in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that's the sort of what remains to

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Speaker 2: be determined going forward. It was a rehearsal. He says

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Speaker 2: he didn't pull the trigger but then went off, that

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Speaker 2: the trigger did go off, and that he did pull it.

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Speaker 2: So everyone has a different story when it comes to

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Speaker 2: this one. But naturally, you know, the press interest has

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Speaker 2: been enormous. His wife, Hilaria Baldwin, she's back in the headlines. Now.

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Speaker 2: This is just so bizarre, this one. Hilario Baldwin. Well, really,

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Speaker 2: her name is Hillary and we thought that she was

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Speaker 2: a Spanish woman for many, many years. And Jones, I

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Speaker 2: believe that you have a little bit of all well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I thought she was Spanish and she certainly sounds

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Speaker 2: like it. I'm going to tell you what I'm going

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Speaker 2: to say.

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Speaker 3: You're not going to ask me questions.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I want you guys to realize that we have

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Speaker 3: seven kids, and you being here to escort them to

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Speaker 3: school and to be there when they come home is

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Speaker 3: not good. So on a human level, you guys know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to say anything to you. You know that.

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Speaker 3: So please leave my family in peace and let this

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Speaker 3: all play out. Okay, So let my kids come home

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Speaker 3: and you stay away from them, because they ask me, mommy,

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Speaker 3: what like what are these people doing? And it's a

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Speaker 3: very hard thing as a mom to try to explain.

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Speaker 2: So please go home, leave my family.

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Speaker 1: She does sound like Spanish, that English is her second language,

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Speaker 1: so heavily.

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Speaker 2: Ilaria Well, actually she was born in Massachusetts, Hillary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and went to university her parents. One of her

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Speaker 1: parents Ispanish, but she grew up in America and University.

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Speaker 1: Of friends have said there's no way she had that

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Speaker 1: accent then. But she's invented herself as a Spanish person.

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Speaker 2: She's super whitebread and she ran with the Spanish thing

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Speaker 2: for years. She was she posted on the cover of

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Speaker 2: magazines like Latin American magazines like Baldwin in interviews referred

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Speaker 2: to her as Spanish and then this all blew up

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty and since then I think she's been

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Speaker 2: a lot more careful with the accent. But this this

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Speaker 2: moment with reporters and paparazzi the other day, now that's

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Speaker 2: distracted from this whole case, and everyone's talking about Ilario again.

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Speaker 2: So could she identify as Spanish?

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Speaker 3: Is what she's doing.

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Speaker 2: She says that culturally she identifies as Spanish, that she

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Speaker 2: struggled to cultures her whole life, and she spent a

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Speaker 2: lot of time on holidays in Spanish because I love

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Speaker 2: old cluff and I'm as boring as ad anything when

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Speaker 2: it comes to white because my eighth generation Australian, I'd.

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Speaker 3: Like to be Italian. I want to talk like it is.

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Speaker 3: And why can't I do that?

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Speaker 1: Because that's the worst stereotypical Italian.

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Speaker 3: Accentzza bye, you bust at my balls.

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Speaker 1: I think you're also offending Italians right now?

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Speaker 2: They love me, they love him. There's a very funny

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Speaker 2: clip on YouTube somewhere of Hilaria on a cooking show

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Speaker 2: a few years ago and they're doing a demonstration and

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Speaker 2: she says, oh, and then the next step, how you

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Speaker 2: say cucumber? And she can't think of the word in

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Speaker 2: English her native tongue. Really, are you saying brilliant?

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Speaker 3: Just leave my family in peace.

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Speaker 2: Well this is great, Emma. Thank you so much for joity.

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Speaker 2: So you'll catch Emma on mamamea dot com dot au.

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Speaker 3: Just go there see her.

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Speaker 2: Thanks