Speaker 1: This is outspoken.
Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking.
Speaker 1: Our names are.
Speaker 2: Amy Kay and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we
Speaker 2: often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated.
Speaker 2: Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues
Speaker 2: facing women.
Speaker 1: That is so fat thank you.
Speaker 2: This is becoming a bit of a regular occurrence. We
Speaker 2: have now been blocked by arguably Australia's biggest influencer, Shanni Grimmon.
Speaker 1: I've got to.
Speaker 2: Say this one personally cut deep for me because I
Speaker 2: picked Shanny in our snog Marry and Avoid, and I
Speaker 2: picked her to Mary, So I feel like this is
Speaker 2: some sort of public declaration that she doesn't want to
Speaker 2: marry me back.
Speaker 1: Can I feel personally offended?
Speaker 2: I picked her too, and not only has she blocked
Speaker 2: the Outspoken Instagram page, she's also blocked our personal pages.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a big fe you can. I
Speaker 2: put it on the record, I now pick Sammy Robinson
Speaker 2: to marry. I'm just so surprised because I feel like
Speaker 2: we really saying her praises a lot on this podcast.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I do think it's got something to
Speaker 2: do with the fact that we shared a meme last
Speaker 2: weekend featuring her and her ex's new partner, Madison Wooly,
Speaker 2: which will go into a little bit later, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's got something to do. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: we should make up a chart of who's blocked us now,
Speaker 2: because I feel like we're getting a lot of influences
Speaker 2: who are blocking us. It reminds me of on mean
Speaker 2: Girls when they've got that blackboard and they just cross
Speaker 2: out the things to bring Regina Georgetown. The funniest thing
Speaker 2: is I told Mom that Shaney Grimman had blocked us,
Speaker 2: and she actually follows Shany Grimman because we went onto
Speaker 2: her Instagram and followed a whole bunch, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I really want to block her myself. What I'm going
Speaker 2: to do is I'm going to keep an eye on
Speaker 2: it for you. And she has stuck to a word.
Speaker 2: She's been sending me like Instagram screenshots and it's so funny.
Speaker 2: You mom, mum's the best. If you don't have a
Speaker 2: mum who can keep up to date with influencers who
Speaker 2: block you, you've got to have a good old fashioned
Speaker 2: burner account or yeah, exactly, I mean, who doesn't have
Speaker 2: a burner account in these days. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: think people should have ones to troll people, but you know,
Speaker 2: to view Instagram stories that you want to view. A
Speaker 2: non Gina would be nothing without her high status, man candy,
Speaker 2: technically good physique, an ignorant band of loyal followers. On
Speaker 2: Wednesday night, celebspellcheck reeked havoc on the social media world,
Speaker 2: sharing explosive, unverified gossip about Ozzie influencers. While names were
Speaker 2: censored from the screenshots, it didn't take long for followers
Speaker 2: and other gossip accounts to start naming and shaming Kate.
Speaker 2: For those who missed it, what happened, Well, it all
Speaker 2: started when celeb spelcheck put a call out for people
Speaker 2: to send in gossip and encounters with Ozzie celebs and influencers,
Speaker 2: and she reiterated that people would remain anonymous. So once
Speaker 2: celeb's spellcheck received a whole bunch of them, she started
Speaker 2: sharing the posts and she blanked out, obviously the people
Speaker 2: that had sent them in, but she also blanked out
Speaker 2: the celebrity or influencer's name, but she kind of left
Speaker 2: a little clue of who it might be. So sometimes
Speaker 2: she would write like an one hundred k influencer or
Speaker 2: a cashed up bogan. So the little clue. Do you
Speaker 2: know what this reminds me? I know we touched on
Speaker 2: me and Girls before, but it reminds me of the
Speaker 2: scene when the burn book has been photocopied and put everywhere.
Speaker 2: Is that kind of frantic panic of everyone reading about themselves.
Speaker 1: Meet out with a hot dog? Oh my god, that
Speaker 1: was one time. Don Schweitzer has a huge ass.
Speaker 2: Who would write that?
Speaker 1: Who wouldn't rate that? Come quick, They've gone wild? The
Speaker 1: girls have gone wild? Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 2: Well. It's also important to note though, that while celeb
Speaker 2: Spellcheck is a legend, it is actually important to note
Speaker 2: that they borrowed this idea from American celebrity gossip account
Speaker 2: des Moi, and they actually have over seven hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty six thousand followers, and they started their account about
Speaker 2: ten months ago during COVID and instead of sharing influences gossip,
Speaker 2: they usually share celebrity stories. What is quite interesting is
Speaker 2: that it is an anonymous person who runs this page
Speaker 2: similar to celeb Spellcheck, but apparently Hailey Beaber thinks she's
Speaker 2: worked out who this person is. Yeah, it's like the
Speaker 2: account is massive, as the likes of you know, a
Speaker 2: list celebrities following it, and it seems like there is
Speaker 2: this witch hunt like there has been with Celebs Spelcheck
Speaker 2: to find out who's actually running it. I read this
Speaker 2: amazing article in Vanity Fair about the hunt of who
Speaker 2: this account owner was, and she actually did an interview
Speaker 2: in the magazine which was really interesting. Or we should
Speaker 2: probably get into some of the goths that actually came
Speaker 2: out on celeb Spelcheck's into story, because there were plenty
Speaker 2: of juicy stories.
Speaker 1: What were your favorites.
Speaker 2: I've got to say the one that piqued my interest
Speaker 2: the most was that a massive influencer and her partner
Speaker 2: said that the reason that they don't have kids yet
Speaker 2: is because she likes coke too much. Of course, my
Speaker 2: favorite was the peasant comment. So apparently there's an influencer
Speaker 2: who went to a nightclub and called about eight different
Speaker 2: people a peasant, and for some reason everyone thought it
Speaker 2: was Sky Wheatley, and she came out and hit back
Speaker 2: and said, if I'm that out of my mind drunk,
Speaker 2: how could I call eight different people the same name?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how that logic works. I
Speaker 2: don't actually think it would have been her doesn't sound
Speaker 2: like sky to me. She's been I think she's quite
Speaker 2: lovely to people. You know what she's out and about. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but if you're drunk, I could actually imagine like her
Speaker 2: being really stilly, like you know, on those American trips
Speaker 2: that she did, and like out doing those funny voices
Speaker 2: with Michael Finch and Shiny Grimman, Like. I kind of
Speaker 2: could see it happening, But she has denied it, which
Speaker 2: it's important to note. What about the rumor that came
Speaker 2: out that a big influencer's boyfriend had joined someone's only
Speaker 2: fans account. Oh, that would be so embarrassing for that
Speaker 2: influencer if it came out. But there's he knows that
Speaker 2: many boyfriends of Instagram, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: there's a few people that just instantly spring to mind.
Speaker 1: But surely he'd know.
Speaker 2: That would come out if your high profile and you're
Speaker 2: joining different people's accounts. Well, Amy, as you touched upon
Speaker 2: the fact that celeb spellcheck gave clues, they kind of
Speaker 2: narrowed it down who it could be out of quite
Speaker 2: a small pool of people. So that's when Ozzy influencer
Speaker 2: Opinions got involved. Now there are a relatively new Instagram
Speaker 2: site that calls out influencers, and they decided to piggyback
Speaker 2: off Celeb's spellcheck segment and they were posting, well, they
Speaker 2: actually put up a post asking people who do you
Speaker 2: think celeb Spellcheck's talking about? And they started to share
Speaker 2: the responses. Was also unfortunate is that Celeb's spelcheck accidentally
Speaker 2: put up a submission without the influence name block, so
Speaker 2: it said my friend was working with Shiny Grimman for
Speaker 2: the latest campaign for her swimwear brand, and she constantly
Speaker 2: was dropping the most discussing parts and wouldn't excuse herself
Speaker 2: after doing it, but just laughed and said, at least
Speaker 2: we're all being paid, right. See. I wish we knew
Speaker 2: that before we did the the snog Marry avoid segment,
Speaker 2: because I would have avoided her. I'm not into someone dropping.
Speaker 2: We've got to say that these people have sent these
Speaker 2: in and they're unverified posts like so, while it's hilarious
Speaker 2: and I did get a good chuckle out of that,
Speaker 2: especially after she blocked me, I do think it's it's
Speaker 2: important to say that these are unverified posts like literally
Speaker 2: anyone could be sending in anything about these influencers, Well
Speaker 2: there was It wasn't there a finster account that was
Speaker 2: discovered for someone actually sending in nice comments about themselves,
Speaker 2: Because after Celeb's spellcheck and a bit of the dirty laundry,
Speaker 2: they actually put up hundreds of nice comments that were
Speaker 2: left well back to the negative posts. And Sky Wheeley
Speaker 2: wasn't the only influencer to deny the rumors. Ashley Meski
Speaker 2: actually wrote a really lengthy post on her Instagram story
Speaker 2: denying that she was the Insta twin who was rude
Speaker 2: to a lash technician. This one was a little bit
Speaker 2: embarrassing because they said that the person in question actually
Speaker 2: asked to get the lashes for free. She then went
Speaker 2: on to call celebs spellcheck a drama page. Well maybe
Speaker 2: she was trying to point the finger at her sister.
Speaker 2: Maybe that was the twin.
Speaker 1: Well, there's not too many insta twins out there.
Speaker 2: Well. Christine Swadling was another influencer who hit back at
Speaker 2: the rumors. She said that she actually wrote quite a
Speaker 2: lengthy post, which to me kind of made her sound guiltier.
Speaker 2: So Christine went into quite a lot of detail and
Speaker 2: she wrote, So one day in winter, I was shopping
Speaker 2: for a top for the weekend. I went into General
Speaker 2: Pants at my old hometown and tried this top on.
Speaker 2: I was getting warm, so I kept my jumper off,
Speaker 2: hung it over my bag, put the top back, and
Speaker 2: walked into another store. Ten minutes later, General Pants staff
Speaker 2: members and security guards came up to me and checked
Speaker 2: my bag. Security saw it was a jumper and laughed
Speaker 2: and apologized. Anyway, Obviously, some of the staff at General
Speaker 2: Pans followed me on Instagram and posted all over Facebook
Speaker 2: that I stole, even though it was clarified I didn't
Speaker 2: just to spill some tea where tea wasn't spilt.
Speaker 1: Ps, did you know.
Speaker 2: Bullying is still bullying even if you have a following
Speaker 2: Celeb's spell check. I'm all for her actually explaining and
Speaker 2: going into detail about what happened, because it does seem
Speaker 2: like things must have got muddled along the way in regards.
Speaker 1: To this story.
Speaker 2: But what I don't like is her referring to celeb
Speaker 2: Spellcheck as a bully.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 2: I've got to say, though, I feel like when you're
Speaker 2: lying about something, and I'm not calling her a liar,
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying when someone accuses you of something,
Speaker 2: you generally then come up with an excuse, and this
Speaker 2: to me kind of sounds like a little bit of
Speaker 2: an excuse, like, oh, this is why I got stopped
Speaker 2: by security. Like I'm not saying she did it. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, like you know, when you get caught out line. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But then again, it kind of almost sounds like something
Speaker 2: that would have happened, that could have been twisted. But
Speaker 2: I just feel like, I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: the best thing for any of these influences to actually
Speaker 2: acknowledge the rumors, because it just gives validity to them,
Speaker 2: and it kind of makes you think, oh, wow, well
Speaker 2: everything else that was sent in must have been true.
Speaker 2: To be honest, though, if it was me and someone
Speaker 2: was spilling some shit about me and I would say something,
Speaker 2: But no, but the thing was Christine Swaddling wasn't actually
Speaker 2: named mbers going around that.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe it was her, but.
Speaker 2: Some of the descriptions, it was kind of obvious to
Speaker 2: who it was. I actually agree with Sophie. I think
Speaker 2: it was good that they came out and defended themselves
Speaker 2: because a lot of people probably were dming them and
Speaker 2: saying is this you and Alicia's come out and cleared
Speaker 2: up what had happened or her side of the Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: can we get back to the Aussie Influencer Opinion account
Speaker 2: for a second, because they just seemed to have appeared
Speaker 2: out of nowhere and it seems very suspicious because in
Speaker 2: the past week, Pedestrian has done four different articles on
Speaker 2: this page. Yeah, the timing of this is very strange
Speaker 2: because on the seventeenth of February, Pedestrian shared their first
Speaker 2: article about the page and it was almost like they
Speaker 2: were introducing everyone to the page.
Speaker 1: They even shared links to go follow it.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I thought it was even stranger because it
Speaker 2: was only the previous week when they did that big
Speaker 2: expose trying to reveal who celeb spellcheck was. It seems
Speaker 2: a little bit fish to me. It got me thinking like,
Speaker 2: does someone from Pedestrian run this account or someone associated
Speaker 2: with someone that works there, because it seems to be
Speaker 2: getting a lot of free promotion, including a follow up
Speaker 2: article the same day talking about the eleven different times
Speaker 2: that the page spilt tea on Ossie Influencers Funnily left,
Speaker 2: the article only included five different times, so it's like
Speaker 2: total beat up as well well the fact that they
Speaker 2: actually interviewed the person behind the page. I mean, think
Speaker 2: about how many people are looking to find out who
Speaker 2: celeb spellcheck is the fact that someone who runs a
Speaker 2: similar page would then out themselves to a media company
Speaker 2: that just seems crazy to me. Well, as you said,
Speaker 2: this was like the following day more articles emerged. So
Speaker 2: the third article actually involved celebs Spellcheck and des Moire
Speaker 2: and were saying, how you know, the Oussie opinion influencer
Speaker 2: is like that third cog in the wheel about keeping
Speaker 2: influencers to account. And as you said, the fourth article
Speaker 2: on the same day was an actual interview with the
Speaker 2: person that runs the account, which is very strange. I
Speaker 2: feel like it isn't someone from a Pedestrian though, because
Speaker 2: the page seems quite reckless in what they report. It
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to stick to any guidelines. I mean, they
Speaker 2: were posting up, you know, fodder of who these people are,
Speaker 2: and it did feel like it was verging a bit
Speaker 2: on defamation. But that doesn't that doesn't mean that the
Speaker 2: person doesn't work at Pedestrian TV. It means that they're
Speaker 2: now able to say whatever they want because no one
Speaker 2: knows who they are, I know, but I'm saying that
Speaker 2: if you were a journalist working for a publication like that,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that they are aware of media law and
Speaker 2: what you can and cannot say.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It seems like it's made by someone perhaps who's a
Speaker 2: bit younger and who has been caught up in the
Speaker 2: whole celeb spellcheck phenomenon. Well, they did actually name celeb
Speaker 2: spell Check as inspiration for starting the page, and I
Speaker 2: feel like their strategy behind getting more followers is basically
Speaker 2: being more shocking than.
Speaker 1: Celeb spell Check, because we've seen celebs.
Speaker 2: Spellcheck kind of evolve, and she kind of seems to
Speaker 2: have this authority over the influence of space, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people seem to respect her opinion because you know,
Speaker 2: she now is avoiding sort of calling people out too much.
Speaker 1: She blocked people's names out. However, this person was happy
Speaker 1: to point fingers at people. What I love is a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people who are calling this page the poor man
Speaker 2: celeb Spellcheck.
Speaker 1: It feels like they are clout.
Speaker 2: Chasing a bit. I mean, I do, I do think
Speaker 2: there is room for everyone to have their own platform
Speaker 2: in their own say, but I just think it is
Speaker 2: a complete copy of celebrit spell chech. Have you guys
Speaker 2: noticed that, especially during this COVID period, there seems to
Speaker 2: be so many pages that have popped up that are
Speaker 2: just slagging off influences. I mean, there's so many Sarah's
Speaker 2: Day hate pages going on. There's this new page seleb
Speaker 2: spell check. It seems to be the in thing to
Speaker 2: have an anonymous page. Well, I think it's because the
Speaker 2: pandemic has completely changed celebrity gossip. In twenty twenty, celebrity
Speaker 2: events were canceled, meaning that there was no red carpet
Speaker 2: interviews or after parties or paparazzi shots. So I suppose
Speaker 2: we have then jumped online to see what celebrities are doing,
Speaker 2: and in turn will now become more interested in influences. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like using celebrities as an example, because they don't
Speaker 2: attend all those events anymore. They've literally had to turn
Speaker 2: to social media to actually get themselves out there.
Speaker 1: And then that's kind of really.
Speaker 2: Introduced us to connecting with influencers and celebrities in that way,
Speaker 2: and it feels.
Speaker 1: Like we're we really do know them.
Speaker 2: But I actually don't think that's the case at all.
Speaker 2: I think what's happened is during the pandemic, people have
Speaker 2: got sick of influencers behavior and they've seen them going
Speaker 2: on their holidays and flouting the rules.
Speaker 1: And they've gone, you know, stuff this.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to relate to content, and
Speaker 2: that's why so many people are following these pages. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I think there's a lot of hate following going on.
Speaker 2: I think that people actually enjoy following these people, and
Speaker 2: I think it's the case of the fact that with
Speaker 2: the pandemic, we're not really having real life socialization, so
Speaker 2: our desire to actually connect and observe with other humans
Speaker 2: is growing. So the only way we can do this
Speaker 2: is actually looking at influencers or celebrities social media content.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of fun for us all bandy together
Speaker 2: and like observe someone and comment on what they're doing,
Speaker 2: because we can't do that in public. Like I'm someone
Speaker 2: who loves people watching, but you know, if you're in
Speaker 2: America or you were in Melbourne during the lockdown, you
Speaker 2: can't do that anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I tend to agree with both of you.
Speaker 2: I think it's a bit from Colin a a bit
Speaker 2: from columb I think there is a real feeling of
Speaker 2: influencer fatigue at the moment and a lot of resentment
Speaker 2: towards them. I mean, you just have to look at
Speaker 2: the pandemic and see so many people losing their jobs.
Speaker 2: Yet these people are still posting about their lavish lifestyles
Speaker 2: and the fact that they're earning more money during this
Speaker 2: time I think would be pissing a lot of people off. Yeah. Absolutely, Well,
Speaker 2: do you guys think it's fair for these anonymous pages
Speaker 2: to solicit and share unverified gossip? I really think it
Speaker 2: depends on the level of gossip being shared. For instance,
Speaker 2: if it is gossip that is going to destroy someone's
Speaker 2: reputation and is completely defamatory, I don't think it is fair. However,
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of the things celeb Spelcheck
Speaker 2: shared were very lighthearted. I mean, sharing that someone farted
Speaker 2: at a photo shoot I think is completely harmless and
Speaker 2: just a bit of fun. Yet sharing that someone may
Speaker 2: be addicted to coke is going a little bit far
Speaker 2: in my book. The thing is that I almost think
Speaker 2: it's quite ballsy of celeb Spelcheck to do this, because
Speaker 2: we spoke last week about how there was an episode
Speaker 2: on Shame that's talking about it how a lot of
Speaker 2: influences in Melbourne are wanting to seek out who is
Speaker 2: the person behind the account. It's almost like waving a
Speaker 2: red flag in the influencer's face, because think about it,
Speaker 2: if you're an influencer now and you know that your
Speaker 2: shitty behavior is probably going to come out soon or
Speaker 2: something embarrassing is going to come out because they're just
Speaker 2: sharing everything. Yeah, it was really a bit of a
Speaker 2: fuck you about that in Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Everyone was living for it. I feel it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel it was a very defiant move and
Speaker 2: a move to say I'm not going to change what
Speaker 2: I'm doing. I'm going to continue and go even harder
Speaker 2: if anything. Yeah, well, she really has stepped it up,
Speaker 2: and I do hope for her own sake that she
Speaker 2: is stepping it up, like from a legal perspective as well,
Speaker 2: and is going to cover her back. And I think
Speaker 2: she should take some advice from du Noire because they
Speaker 2: actually have put a process in place to protect herself
Speaker 2: against defamation laws. And obviously the laws are different in America.
Speaker 2: But what she's done is she's put a little disclaimer
Speaker 2: in her Instagram bio that reads statements made on the
Speaker 2: account have not been independently confirmed. She's also got like
Speaker 2: a frequently asked section and it says what you want
Speaker 2: or don't believe any of what is posted. This was
Speaker 2: started for fun. Also, this is my private account, so
Speaker 2: I can reveal or not reveal whatever the fuck I want.
Speaker 2: There's also more information on the website talking about how
Speaker 2: this is rumor and conjecture are not facts. So I
Speaker 2: do think that as more interest grows and celebs spell
Speaker 2: check and also in Aussie influencer opinions, that they do
Speaker 2: need to be thinking about these things. Because what's quite
Speaker 2: scary is the defamation laws are actually going through a
Speaker 2: reform at the moment. So in August twenty twenty, that
Speaker 2: was the first stage of these defamation reforms. And what's
Speaker 2: crazy is the defamation law hadn't had any changes made
Speaker 2: to it since two.
Speaker 1: Thousand and five.
Speaker 2: So if you think back to two thousand and five,
Speaker 2: Facebook had only been around for one year, Twitter wasn't
Speaker 2: even around, and the iPhone came in in two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven, so obviously the way that we communicate has
Speaker 2: completely changed.
Speaker 1: And the laws aren't really reflective of this.
Speaker 2: So the stage two reforms that are meant they were
Speaker 2: actually meant to have come in well, sorry, we were met.
Speaker 2: Found out more information about those laws in December twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: but we haven't yet. But the Stage two specifically looks
Speaker 2: at online defamation. So I feel like it's really an
Speaker 2: evolving space and at the moment I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of confusion around what is actually allowed. Well,
Speaker 2: your friends the football will be there. Oh friend football friend,
Speaker 2: best friends forever and ever. Let's get into the influencer
Speaker 2: wrap now. Fashion designer Camilla Franks is in hot water
Speaker 2: after she incorporated the Union Jack into her latest collection
Speaker 2: and many have said it actually glamorizes colonialism. I've got
Speaker 2: to say, when I saw the photos, I thought what
Speaker 2: is going on? Yeah, as soon as I saw the photos,
Speaker 2: I was like, this is going to be a complete
Speaker 2: shit storm. So the line is actually called The Mad
Speaker 2: Manner and it was launched last Monday with many of
Speaker 2: Australia's biggest influencers attending the launch party. So Tammy Hembro
Speaker 2: was there, Ruby Tuesday, Matthew's Teague and Philippa as well
Speaker 2: as Nicki and Lucy from The Wild Ones and to
Speaker 2: set the scene, there were a lot of Union Jack
Speaker 2: bunting lining the walls. There was British telephone boxes and
Speaker 2: literally blue, red and white flowers everywhere. Well like it
Speaker 2: was spice culbs vibes. You know when Jerry wore that dress,
Speaker 2: the Union Day dress.
Speaker 1: It did remind me of that.
Speaker 2: But then obviously alarm bells are ringing the fact that
Speaker 2: we've just had this amazing discussion about changing the day
Speaker 2: and about colonialism, and then to kind of see this
Speaker 2: reflected it just seemed extremely tone deaf. Yeah. Well, this
Speaker 2: actually came two days after Australia's National Sorry Day, and
Speaker 2: as you touched on, less than a month after the
Speaker 2: Invasion Day discussions that were going on, and a lot
Speaker 2: of influencers who attended the event came under fire. So
Speaker 2: Nicki and Lucy posted a photo of themselves in the
Speaker 2: outfits and wrote back to our roots. Now that post
Speaker 2: has since been deleted. Ruby Tuesday Matthews has also since
Speaker 2: deleted a post of herself at the party. So it
Speaker 2: seems like the influencers are trying to distance themselves from
Speaker 2: this event. I would really like to know what the
Speaker 2: transaction between the influencers and Camilla the brand were for
Speaker 2: to get them to go to this event, because if
Speaker 2: there was money exchanging hands, I would think that it's
Speaker 2: pretty poor that they actually did delete the photos. However,
Speaker 2: if it was like just an invite.
Speaker 1: You know, fair enough to be honest.
Speaker 2: From working in PR, I definitely think these influences were
Speaker 2: paid to attend the event. This even happens in Adelaide
Speaker 2: of always. Do you know what it made me think
Speaker 2: when I saw the photo of them all together. Was
Speaker 2: there a moment in time where one of them thought, hmm,
Speaker 2: should we all be dressed like this? You know, we
Speaker 2: were sitting around in union jack colonial clothing.
Speaker 1: There's something wrong with this. It kind of reminds me.
Speaker 2: A bit of the Emperor's New clothes, the fact that
Speaker 2: everyone kind of just went.
Speaker 1: Along with it.
Speaker 2: Well, what about Nicky and Lucy's caption on their post?
Speaker 2: I mean, they spoke about going back to our roots.
Speaker 2: Now I believe they were apparently referring to the fact
Speaker 2: that they've worked with Camilla before.
Speaker 1: However, but couldn't you just put two and two together.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they were thinking, and the backlash
Speaker 2: has been pretty fierce. Former Bachelor contestant and Indigenous woman
Speaker 2: Brooke Blurton commented, is this a joke, while others blasted
Speaker 2: the collect and its launch, saying it was cringeworthy, tone deaf,
Speaker 2: and completely disrespectful. I've got to agree with Brook though.
Speaker 2: When I saw the photos, I thought, is this a
Speaker 2: joke too? It seemed unbelievable that people would not realize
Speaker 2: how offensive that was in this time. Yeah, and have
Speaker 2: you guys seen the statement that Camilla Frank put out
Speaker 2: on Thursday night? Because this makes it even worse. I did.
Speaker 2: She started off by saying dearest tribe. Now, I don't
Speaker 2: know if she quite understands that that is a very
Speaker 2: cult racially sensitive word. I would not be starting off
Speaker 2: somewhat of a supposed apology with that, But in saying
Speaker 2: that it really wasn't an apology, she just defended herself.
Speaker 2: She said the collection was inspired by her travels in
Speaker 2: the UK and that she was sad and to see
Speaker 2: that a small group of online voices chose to post
Speaker 2: negative comments about the event. She then explained that every
Speaker 2: single one of her collections has been born out of
Speaker 2: travel experiences and said it paid homage to the punk
Speaker 2: rock movement.
Speaker 1: Now this is where it gets worse.
Speaker 2: She said that it's pays homage to Vivian Westwood, the
Speaker 2: sex Pistols, Prince and a swag of other wildly eccentric
Speaker 2: characters from the UK. Now, I'm sorry, but princes from America.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it just keeps getting worse.
Speaker 2: So I've got to say I'm gonna put it out there.
Speaker 2: I've never liked Camilla clothes. I think they're a complete
Speaker 2: ripoff and they're ugly, so you.
Speaker 1: Know, don't hold back there.
Speaker 2: The thing that didn't sit well with me is the
Speaker 2: pairing of very rich and powerful people with the Union
Speaker 2: Jack flag.
Speaker 1: It just made me feel a bit sick.
Speaker 2: And also there were no people of color even invited
Speaker 2: to the event, which also added to the insult. Well,
Speaker 2: I will be very interested to see how this collection sells.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to set out. I think
Speaker 2: it's going to be one collection that stays on the
Speaker 2: all right. I've got to say though, she has actually
Speaker 2: created some attention for itself, even in all publicity.
Speaker 1: Publicity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, moving on, and this one made me really sad.
Speaker 2: Lauras Henshaw has had to cancel her wedding for the
Speaker 2: third time, and this was due to last week's lockdown
Speaker 2: in Melbourne, and I felt even sad when she shared
Speaker 2: a picture of her golden retriever Bill and he was
Speaker 2: wearing the cutest little tuxedo, and she wrote, we couldn't
Speaker 2: bring ourselves to tell him he has to wait quite
Speaker 2: a bit longer now to wear his outfloor outfit.
Speaker 1: But how adorable.
Speaker 2: Do you know? What I love about Laura Henshaw is
Speaker 2: that she did a post saying how sorry she felt
Speaker 2: for everyone when the lockdown was announced, and she was
Speaker 2: in tears, and she was so selfless that she didn't
Speaker 2: even touch on the fact that her wedding had been canceled.
Speaker 2: And I think that just says so much about her.
Speaker 2: She just seems to genuinely care about other people, even
Speaker 2: over her own feelings. Oh, she seems like such a
Speaker 2: beautiful person. She did speak a little bit about her
Speaker 2: on the Kick podcast this week, and she said that
Speaker 2: a lot of people had messaged her saying that she'd
Speaker 2: almost jinxed herself because she had spoken a lot about oh,
Speaker 2: you know, if my wedding gets canceled, blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: because it has been the third time. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: felt very sorry for her.
Speaker 1: Well, let's move on to one of the other Kick girls.
Speaker 2: Steph Claire Smith and on her Instagram story on Sunday,
Speaker 2: Steph admitted one of her biggest pregnancy cravings and it
Speaker 2: was McDonald's.
Speaker 1: I love this.
Speaker 2: I feel like when I'm pregnant, I'm going to use
Speaker 2: this as an excuse just to eat all the crap
Speaker 2: that I want to, and I feel like Mcdonald's'll be
Speaker 2: one of the first places I go to. Well, she
Speaker 2: said she's eaten more McDonald's during her pregnancy than she
Speaker 2: has in the last five years. And I actually believe
Speaker 2: her because you don't get abs like hers eating McDonald's. Well,
Speaker 2: I really Well, the thing is, though, I saw a
Speaker 2: picture of her and she still has abs like they're
Speaker 2: at the top. I think she is one of those
Speaker 2: genetically blessed people who has a lower body fat percentage
Speaker 2: in that area. Yeah, well that's what I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell myself, especially next time I'm eating McDonald's. I could
Speaker 2: get around that diet though, if it was a kick
Speaker 2: girl diet, just get ads by eating McDonald's sake.
Speaker 1: Fat her.
Speaker 2: Well, we teased about it at the start of the
Speaker 2: episode and will end the episode with this little juicy
Speaker 2: piece of gossip. So Sophie, you actually spotted that Shane
Speaker 2: Grimmin had her silk swimwear photo shoot at the same
Speaker 2: place Madison Wooley shot her fashion range. Yeah, I is
Speaker 2: so funny because it was a Friday night, I was
Speaker 2: supposed to be rushing to your house. I threw myself
Speaker 2: under the shower and I don't know if anyone else
Speaker 2: does this. I was on my phone in the shower,
Speaker 2: just flicking through Insta stories and it popped up and
Speaker 2: it was Shane Grimman's ass walking up this staircase and
Speaker 2: I thought I've seen that staircase before. So I frantically
Speaker 2: compared the photos and I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: too good. I got a frantic text from Sophie. She's like,
Speaker 2: I don't have time, but I need you to meme this.
Speaker 2: I needed to put this on her Instagram now and it.
Speaker 1: Went off well.
Speaker 2: For those who aren't piecing this story together, Jonathan Sower
Speaker 2: used to date Shiny Grimman and he now dates Madison Woolies,
Speaker 2: So it seems like, as well as the same taste
Speaker 2: in men, these girls have the same taste in staircase
Speaker 2: and bumpshots as well. So do you think Shiny saw
Speaker 2: Madison Woolies and copied or well. One of the members
Speaker 2: in our community they said that this place is actually
Speaker 2: quite well known for brand shoots. So I had a
Speaker 2: look on their Instagram page and they've got over seven
Speaker 2: thousand followers, but the room that they've been taking the
Speaker 2: photos in is actually relatively new, so it is going
Speaker 2: to just look so hilarious that they've both had these
Speaker 2: huge campaigns shot there. If anything, I would think that
Speaker 2: Shani was unaware that that's where Madison shot it because
Speaker 2: she would not want attention around that because it just
Speaker 2: brings up Jonathan again. Well, I think that's all we
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