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Speaker 1: This is outspoken.

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Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: Our names are.

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Speaker 2: Amy Kay and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we

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Speaker 2: often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated.

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Speaker 2: Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues

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Speaker 2: facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fat thank you.

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Speaker 2: This is becoming a bit of a regular occurrence. We

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Speaker 2: have now been blocked by arguably Australia's biggest influencer, Shanni Grimmon.

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Speaker 1: I've got to.

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Speaker 2: Say this one personally cut deep for me because I

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Speaker 2: picked Shanny in our snog Marry and Avoid, and I

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Speaker 2: picked her to Mary, So I feel like this is

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Speaker 2: some sort of public declaration that she doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: marry me back.

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Speaker 1: Can I feel personally offended?

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Speaker 2: I picked her too, and not only has she blocked

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Speaker 2: the Outspoken Instagram page, she's also blocked our personal pages.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's a big fe you can. I

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Speaker 2: put it on the record, I now pick Sammy Robinson

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Speaker 2: to marry. I'm just so surprised because I feel like

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Speaker 2: we really saying her praises a lot on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I do think it's got something to

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Speaker 2: do with the fact that we shared a meme last

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Speaker 2: weekend featuring her and her ex's new partner, Madison Wooly,

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Speaker 2: which will go into a little bit later, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: we should make up a chart of who's blocked us now,

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Speaker 2: because I feel like we're getting a lot of influences

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Speaker 2: who are blocking us. It reminds me of on mean

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Speaker 2: Girls when they've got that blackboard and they just cross

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Speaker 2: out the things to bring Regina Georgetown. The funniest thing

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Speaker 2: is I told Mom that Shaney Grimman had blocked us,

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Speaker 2: and she actually follows Shany Grimman because we went onto

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Speaker 2: her Instagram and followed a whole bunch, and she's like,

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Speaker 2: I really want to block her myself. What I'm going

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Speaker 2: it for you. And she has stuck to a word.

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Speaker 2: She's been sending me like Instagram screenshots and it's so funny.

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Speaker 2: You mom, mum's the best. If you don't have a

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Speaker 2: mum who can keep up to date with influencers who

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Speaker 2: block you, you've got to have a good old fashioned

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Speaker 2: burner account or yeah, exactly, I mean, who doesn't have

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Speaker 2: a burner account in these days. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: think people should have ones to troll people, but you know,

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Speaker 2: to view Instagram stories that you want to view. A

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Speaker 2: non Gina would be nothing without her high status, man candy,

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Speaker 2: technically good physique, an ignorant band of loyal followers. On

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Speaker 2: Wednesday night, celebspellcheck reeked havoc on the social media world,

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Speaker 2: sharing explosive, unverified gossip about Ozzie influencers. While names were

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Speaker 2: and other gossip accounts to start naming and shaming Kate.

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Speaker 2: For those who missed it, what happened, Well, it all

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Speaker 2: started when celeb spelcheck put a call out for people

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Speaker 2: and she reiterated that people would remain anonymous. So once

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Speaker 2: celeb's spellcheck received a whole bunch of them, she started

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Speaker 2: sharing the posts and she blanked out, obviously the people

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Speaker 2: that had sent them in, but she also blanked out

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Speaker 2: the celebrity or influencer's name, but she kind of left

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Speaker 2: a little clue of who it might be. So sometimes

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Speaker 2: she would write like an one hundred k influencer or

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Speaker 2: a cashed up bogan. So the little clue. Do you

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Speaker 2: know what this reminds me? I know we touched on

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Speaker 2: me and Girls before, but it reminds me of the

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Speaker 2: scene when the burn book has been photocopied and put everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Is that kind of frantic panic of everyone reading about themselves.

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Speaker 1: Meet out with a hot dog? Oh my god, that

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Speaker 2: Who would write that?

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Speaker 1: Who wouldn't rate that? Come quick, They've gone wild? The

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Speaker 2: Well. It's also important to note though, that while celeb

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Speaker 2: Spellcheck is a legend, it is actually important to note

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Speaker 2: that they borrowed this idea from American celebrity gossip account

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Speaker 2: des Moi, and they actually have over seven hundred and

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Speaker 2: ten months ago during COVID and instead of sharing influences gossip,

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Speaker 2: this witch hunt like there has been with Celebs Spelcheck

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Speaker 2: probably get into some of the goths that actually came

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Speaker 2: who went to a nightclub and called about eight different

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Speaker 2: and said, if I'm that out of my mind drunk,

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Speaker 2: could see it happening, But she has denied it, which

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Speaker 2: That would come out if your high profile and you're

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Speaker 2: the fact that celeb spellcheck gave clues, they kind of

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Speaker 2: it said my friend was working with Shiny Grimman for

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Speaker 2: we're all being paid, right. See. I wish we knew

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Speaker 2: that before we did the the snog Marry avoid segment,

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Speaker 2: important to say that these are unverified posts like literally

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Speaker 2: anyone could be sending in anything about these influencers, Well

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Speaker 2: there was It wasn't there a finster account that was

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Speaker 2: she was trying to point the finger at her sister.

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Speaker 2: Well. Christine Swadling was another influencer who hit back at

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Speaker 2: the rumors. She said that she actually wrote quite a

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Speaker 2: So Christine went into quite a lot of detail and

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Speaker 2: she wrote, So one day in winter, I was shopping

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Speaker 2: Bullying is still bullying even if you have a following

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Speaker 2: Celeb's spell check. I'm all for her actually explaining and

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Speaker 2: But what I don't like is her referring to celeb

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Speaker 2: I've got to say, though, I feel like when you're

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Speaker 2: But then again, it kind of almost sounds like something

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Speaker 2: I just feel like, I don't know if it was

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Speaker 2: the best thing for any of these influences to actually

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Speaker 2: and it kind of makes you think, oh, wow, well

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Speaker 2: everything else that was sent in must have been true.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, though, if it was me and someone

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Speaker 2: was spilling some shit about me and I would say something,

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Speaker 2: But no, but the thing was Christine Swaddling wasn't actually

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Speaker 2: who it was. I actually agree with Sophie. I think

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Speaker 2: it was good that they came out and defended themselves

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Speaker 2: saying is this you and Alicia's come out and cleared

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Speaker 2: up what had happened or her side of the Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: can we get back to the Aussie Influencer Opinion account

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Speaker 2: for a second, because they just seemed to have appeared

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Speaker 2: the past week, Pedestrian has done four different articles on

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Speaker 2: were sitting around in union jack colonial clothing.

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Speaker 1: There's something wrong with this. It kind of reminds me.

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Speaker 2: A bit of the Emperor's New clothes, the fact that

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Speaker 2: everyone kind of just went.

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Speaker 1: Along with it.

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Speaker 2: Well, what about Nicky and Lucy's caption on their post?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they spoke about going back to our roots.

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Speaker 2: Now I believe they were apparently referring to the fact

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Speaker 2: that they've worked with Camilla before.

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Speaker 1: However, but couldn't you just put two and two together.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they were thinking, and the backlash

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Speaker 2: has been pretty fierce. Former Bachelor contestant and Indigenous woman

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Speaker 2: Brooke Blurton commented, is this a joke, while others blasted

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Speaker 2: the collect and its launch, saying it was cringeworthy, tone deaf,

447
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 2: and completely disrespectful. I've got to agree with Brook though.

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Speaker 2: When I saw the photos, I thought, is this a

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Speaker 2: joke too? It seemed unbelievable that people would not realize

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Speaker 2: how offensive that was in this time. Yeah, and have

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Speaker 2: you guys seen the statement that Camilla Frank put out

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Speaker 2: on Thursday night? Because this makes it even worse. I did.

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Speaker 2: She started off by saying dearest tribe. Now, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if she quite understands that that is a very

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Speaker 2: cult racially sensitive word. I would not be starting off

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Speaker 2: somewhat of a supposed apology with that, But in saying

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Speaker 2: that it really wasn't an apology, she just defended herself.

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Speaker 2: She said the collection was inspired by her travels in

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Speaker 2: the UK and that she was sad and to see

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Speaker 2: that a small group of online voices chose to post

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Speaker 2: negative comments about the event. She then explained that every

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Speaker 2: single one of her collections has been born out of

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Speaker 2: travel experiences and said it paid homage to the punk

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Speaker 2: rock movement.

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Speaker 1: Now this is where it gets worse.

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Speaker 2: She said that it's pays homage to Vivian Westwood, the

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Speaker 2: sex Pistols, Prince and a swag of other wildly eccentric

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Speaker 2: characters from the UK. Now, I'm sorry, but princes from America.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it just keeps getting worse.

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Speaker 2: So I've got to say I'm gonna put it out there.

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Speaker 2: I've never liked Camilla clothes. I think they're a complete

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Speaker 2: ripoff and they're ugly, so you.

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Speaker 1: Know, don't hold back there.

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Speaker 2: The thing that didn't sit well with me is the

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Speaker 2: pairing of very rich and powerful people with the Union

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Speaker 2: Jack flag.

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Speaker 1: It just made me feel a bit sick.

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Speaker 2: And also there were no people of color even invited

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Speaker 2: to the event, which also added to the insult. Well,

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Speaker 2: I will be very interested to see how this collection sells.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to set out. I think

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Speaker 2: it's going to be one collection that stays on the

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Speaker 2: all right. I've got to say though, she has actually

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Speaker 2: created some attention for itself, even in all publicity.

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Speaker 1: Publicity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, moving on, and this one made me really sad.

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Speaker 2: Lauras Henshaw has had to cancel her wedding for the

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Speaker 2: third time, and this was due to last week's lockdown

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Speaker 2: in Melbourne, and I felt even sad when she shared

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Speaker 2: a picture of her golden retriever Bill and he was

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Speaker 2: wearing the cutest little tuxedo, and she wrote, we couldn't

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Speaker 2: bring ourselves to tell him he has to wait quite

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Speaker 2: a bit longer now to wear his outfloor outfit.

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Speaker 1: But how adorable.

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Speaker 2: Do you know? What I love about Laura Henshaw is

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Speaker 2: that she did a post saying how sorry she felt

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Speaker 2: for everyone when the lockdown was announced, and she was

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Speaker 2: in tears, and she was so selfless that she didn't

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Speaker 2: even touch on the fact that her wedding had been canceled.

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Speaker 2: And I think that just says so much about her.

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Speaker 2: She just seems to genuinely care about other people, even

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Speaker 2: over her own feelings. Oh, she seems like such a

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Speaker 2: beautiful person. She did speak a little bit about her

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Speaker 2: on the Kick podcast this week, and she said that

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Speaker 2: a lot of people had messaged her saying that she'd

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Speaker 2: almost jinxed herself because she had spoken a lot about oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, if my wedding gets canceled, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 2: because it has been the third time. So yeah, I

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Speaker 2: felt very sorry for her.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's move on to one of the other Kick girls.

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Speaker 2: Steph Claire Smith and on her Instagram story on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: Steph admitted one of her biggest pregnancy cravings and it

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Speaker 2: was McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: I love this.

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Speaker 2: I feel like when I'm pregnant, I'm going to use

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Speaker 2: this as an excuse just to eat all the crap

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Speaker 2: that I want to, and I feel like Mcdonald's'll be

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Speaker 2: one of the first places I go to. Well, she

519
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Speaker 2: said she's eaten more McDonald's during her pregnancy than she

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Speaker 2: has in the last five years. And I actually believe

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Speaker 2: her because you don't get abs like hers eating McDonald's. Well,

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Speaker 2: I really Well, the thing is, though, I saw a

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Speaker 2: picture of her and she still has abs like they're

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Speaker 2: at the top. I think she is one of those

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Speaker 2: genetically blessed people who has a lower body fat percentage

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Speaker 2: in that area. Yeah, well that's what I'm going to

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Speaker 2: tell myself, especially next time I'm eating McDonald's. I could

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Speaker 2: get around that diet though, if it was a kick

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Speaker 2: girl diet, just get ads by eating McDonald's sake.

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Speaker 1: Fat her.

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Speaker 2: Well, we teased about it at the start of the

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Speaker 2: episode and will end the episode with this little juicy

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Speaker 2: piece of gossip. So Sophie, you actually spotted that Shane

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Speaker 2: Grimmin had her silk swimwear photo shoot at the same

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Speaker 2: place Madison Wooley shot her fashion range. Yeah, I is

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Speaker 2: so funny because it was a Friday night, I was

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Speaker 2: supposed to be rushing to your house. I threw myself

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Speaker 2: under the shower and I don't know if anyone else

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Speaker 2: does this. I was on my phone in the shower,

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Speaker 2: just flicking through Insta stories and it popped up and

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Speaker 2: it was Shane Grimman's ass walking up this staircase and

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Speaker 2: I thought I've seen that staircase before. So I frantically

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Speaker 2: compared the photos and I was like, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: too good. I got a frantic text from Sophie. She's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't have time, but I need you to meme this.

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Speaker 2: I needed to put this on her Instagram now and it.

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Speaker 1: Went off well.

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Speaker 2: For those who aren't piecing this story together, Jonathan Sower

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Speaker 2: used to date Shiny Grimman and he now dates Madison Woolies,

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Speaker 2: So it seems like, as well as the same taste

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Speaker 2: in men, these girls have the same taste in staircase

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Speaker 2: and bumpshots as well. So do you think Shiny saw

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Speaker 2: Madison Woolies and copied or well. One of the members

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Speaker 2: in our community they said that this place is actually

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Speaker 2: quite well known for brand shoots. So I had a

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Speaker 2: look on their Instagram page and they've got over seven

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Speaker 2: thousand followers, but the room that they've been taking the

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Speaker 2: photos in is actually relatively new, so it is going

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Speaker 2: to just look so hilarious that they've both had these

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Speaker 2: huge campaigns shot there. If anything, I would think that

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Speaker 2: Shani was unaware that that's where Madison shot it because

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Speaker 2: she would not want attention around that because it just

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Speaker 2: brings up Jonathan again. Well, I think that's all we

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Speaker 2: have time for. Thank you so much for joining us

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