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Speaker 1: Howard by the Iharve radio aff from ninety six AIRVM

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Speaker 1: to whereever you're listening today, This is.

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Speaker 2: Clearsy and Lisa's podcast. Coming up on the podcast today,

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Speaker 2: the Delightful Mark Seymour.

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Speaker 3: We spoke about the worst name you've ever heard, and

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Speaker 3: some of the examples went, oh, the ones we thought

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Speaker 2: Were Okayky Sam and police dog Leo nice, normal name.

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Speaker 2: Senior Sergeant Ashgoy and Senior Constable Ken Flatt came in

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Speaker 2: just for a chat to disrest us.

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Speaker 4: Don't touch the dog.

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Speaker 3: The Sure Report on ninety six AIRVM.

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Speaker 2: World famous scientist Nil Degrass Tyson has flexed his scientific

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Speaker 2: savvy to demystify Tom Cruise's Top Gun Maverick. Do you

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Speaker 2: mystify and debunk? He says In this year's Top Gun Movie,

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Speaker 2: Tom Cruise's character Maverick ejects from a hypersonic plane at

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Speaker 2: MAC ten point five. Before it crashed. At that speed,

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Speaker 2: his body would splutter like a chain mail glove swatting

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Speaker 2: a worm, just saying end quote. The astrophysicists added, at

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Speaker 2: supersonic speeds, air cannot smoothly part. For you, to be fair,

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Speaker 2: it is just a movie news. Yeah, I think we're

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Speaker 2: taking it as no Coolio's hit track, Gangster's Paradise is

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Speaker 2: back in the charts following his death two weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: The song has returned to the charts across the globe,

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Speaker 2: with Billboard dot com reporting streams of the track of

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Speaker 2: search by two hundred and sixty four percent in the

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Speaker 2: US alone. Wow, it was a popular song, then it's

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Speaker 2: a popular song now. Absolutely Angry cruise ship passengers have

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Speaker 2: taken to social media to vent their frustration that the

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Speaker 2: shooting of Channel ten's new reality series The Love Boat

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Speaker 2: The Real Love Boat ruined their holiday. I must admit

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize they were actually on board, you know,

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Speaker 2: a regular cruise. I haven't seen the show, but I

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Speaker 2: don't know what I was thinking. The series was filmed

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Speaker 2: earlier this year on Princess Cruise's Regal Princess, with the

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Speaker 2: cast and crew sharing the ship with actual paying customers.

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Speaker 2: Many of these sengers are now having event. They've complained

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Speaker 2: filming was noisy and parts of the ship were cornered

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Speaker 2: off so the crew could film. That's a bit rough.

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Speaker 4: You can't get to be I hope they got a discount.

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Speaker 2: The show didn't exactly get off to a rollicking start

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Speaker 2: last week. After starting off in the coveted seven thirty

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Speaker 2: times not on Wednesday and Thursdays, the show has now

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Speaker 2: been bumped back to eight thirty and the comments weren't

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Speaker 2: great on social media. Ten minutes in, and I'm seeing

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Speaker 2: an iceberg, one tweeted. Another tweeted, love boat more like

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Speaker 2: the Bogan Titanic.

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Speaker 4: Oh now I want to check it out.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely more Lisa More podcasts soon ninety six.

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Speaker 2: The Red Hot Summer Tour is on at Sanderfold Wine Saturday,

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Speaker 2: March eighteen. Tickets are on sale through ticket Master. It's

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Speaker 2: an incredible lineup. Paul Kelly, Bernard Fanning, Missy Higgins, Vickar

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Speaker 2: and Linda Bully and Moss, Troy cass Daily and Mark Seymour. Hello,

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Speaker 2: this is this is Yes. This is a really really

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Speaker 2: great lineup. When you go on these Red Hot Summer

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Speaker 2: style tours with the likes of this lot, what is

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Speaker 2: it like backstage? They're practical jokes? Is everyone doing their

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Speaker 5: Well, look to be perfectly honest, you know, the last

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Speaker 5: couple of rounds has been tumbleweed, you know, yeah, because

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Speaker 5: of the the the COVID regulations and so you had

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Speaker 5: to get off stage immediately, exit, exit the exit the

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Speaker 5: controlled area within half an hour the last part of

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Speaker 5: your song and.

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Speaker 6: To everybody else as well.

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Speaker 5: So none of that actually went on, but there was.

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Speaker 5: I think we're back so very rock and roll, back

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Speaker 5: to normal sort of procedure. You know, people hanging around

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Speaker 5: so you've got to be really discrept because you can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, yeah, and get changed in the corner.

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Speaker 3: Bat And I would imagine there's some time zam Bit, Mossia,

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Speaker 6: You've got to be nice, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Be careful, yeah, exactly. Now September always means a couple

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Speaker 2: of things in Australia. Magpie is swooping us of course,

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Speaker 2: and footy finals Holy Grail has become synonymous with the finals.

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Speaker 2: Is that something that just happened, you know, over time

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Speaker 5: No, look, I've always find you with Its just the

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Speaker 5: songwriting process. You kind of you kind of have to

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Speaker 2: Are you okay being the sort of having become synonymous?

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Speaker 6: Well, hang on, it's not a bad scenario really, No, yeah,

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Speaker 6: any I mean, if if I was going to give

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Speaker 6: might possibly say, look, write a song about a carp Yes,

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Speaker 3: Is it true that song about the q q A

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Speaker 5: Interesting, Well, there was a lot of drama. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that was about to escalate all that right, right, and

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Speaker 6: Soon, and they did.

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Speaker 5: But I was also reading a book about the invasion

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Speaker 5: I mean it's all based on a NOLA read.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I threw.

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Speaker 6: To Holy Gray.

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Speaker 5: I really don't know why I put there, but I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so's the fl and my brainy.

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Speaker 2: There you go. There's one place that I always would

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Speaker 2: have loved to have seen you play Hunters and Collectors.

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Speaker 2: And you were from Melbourne, so you probably know this place.

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Speaker 2: When I lived in Melbourne, the one place I used

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Speaker 2: out was Monselvat up in Eltham. There's for those who

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Speaker 2: these beautiful Victorian era buildings and apparently the name Monselvat

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Speaker 2: bear with me, we're going yeah full circle here. I

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Speaker 2: think that one day you should absolutely play at Monselvat.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and I'm coming over.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the space might be a challenge.

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Speaker 2: Can we just do a little private selecting invited?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, look around.

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Speaker 4: We can do one of those sets with you and

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Speaker 4: James rain Roll.

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Speaker 2: That's a beautiful spot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The Red Hot Summer Tour is on at Sanderford Wines Saturday,

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Speaker 2: March eighteen. Tickets are through ticket Master. We look forward

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Speaker 2: to seeing here, Mark.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Mark, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 6: Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: All right, more Lisa, More podcasts soon ninety six? Where's

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Speaker 2: have you ever heard of? A website called Emma's Diary?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: What they give baby name, baby and pregnancy advice. Okay,

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Speaker 2: and they've shared their thoughts on the top fifty worst

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Speaker 2: baby names of all time Boys and girls. Now, this

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Speaker 2: isn't just the you know, the latest sort of trendy

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Speaker 2: list of misspelled Bogan names.

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is of all time, on the full gamut.

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Speaker 2: And I'm surprised at some of the things that are

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Speaker 2: on the list. For example, on the boys list, Brian, Brian,

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with Brian?

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Speaker 4: Where did Brian come from?

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with Brian.

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Speaker 4: Did I see Karen on the girls list?

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Speaker 2: Karen's on the girls Adolf? Okay, that's a bit more

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Speaker 2: like it. Abdon, I'm not too sure what abdon is.

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Speaker 2: And Ajax, which is of course the cleaning product, while

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Speaker 2: it's other things as well. That is a bowler who's

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Speaker 2: Anything wrong with George or Graham.

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Speaker 4: Some traditional ones in the mix.

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Speaker 2: Hitler, Yes, yeah, George Graham Hitler. The list for the

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Speaker 2: worst baby names of all times.

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Speaker 3: Anyone who goes anyone who goes a dictator, you know,

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Speaker 3: and you must call them eat or Benito.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lucifer's on there, of course, spartacuse and Kevin.

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Speaker 4: Next to you to say, Satan's on there as well.

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Speaker 2: We need to talk about Kevin. Well, Lucifer is hang on,

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Speaker 2: Satan is on.

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Speaker 4: There, Poplar, Satan is on there, rearing the ugly head on.

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Speaker 2: The girl's list, Apple, Apple Looser, Arabella, Arabella, any any a,

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow? You spelt t you morrow varaminter. It sounds like

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Speaker 4: On varmint, yeah, or strepsil strips. How bizarre strips sounds

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a strip?

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Speaker 2: then there's ones named after alcohols like Chardonnay, Bundy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I have a Bundy an issue with most.

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Speaker 4: Of those in a time Bundy.

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Speaker 5: Morning, closing.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure supposed would agree with me.

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Speaker 6: How can you look at a baby in call it Blade?

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Speaker 2: that's where it comes from.

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Speaker 4: Lucky Man with you?

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Speaker 2: With you there, Jess, Thanks Jess, thank you. That's Blade

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Speaker 2: was a guy. Carol in Mount Lawley? What have you

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Speaker 2: got for us?

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Speaker 6: Hello?

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Speaker 1: Hello?

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Speaker 2: What's the worst name you've ever heard? Carol?

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Speaker 4: I reckon?

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Speaker 2: You're it was get out?

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Speaker 4: Sorry?

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Speaker 2: Sam? Why?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely? I had to keep it straight.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't have done it. I couldn't have. I couldn't well,

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Speaker 2: my face would have said everything.

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Speaker 1: Probably said thanks girl, you're welcome.

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Speaker 4: We know what the song's about. To their kids, but Vietnam,

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Speaker 2: who is a police dog. He's a Springer Spaniel.

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Speaker 4: That's correct, and he's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not allowed to make a fast You don't

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Speaker 2: Ignore the dogs.

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Speaker 3: You're going to go down there, hug and mess almost

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Speaker 3: Okay, So as you've said before, we went to where

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Speaker 4: What's going on there?

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Speaker 8: Oh, I don't have to train the dogs, never worked

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Speaker 7: Correct, Every dog lives with their handler. Yeah, so they're

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Speaker 2: He really is your best friend.

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Speaker 4: If there's a sick day, you just he just relaxses

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Speaker 3: Just not You just can't handball it onto someone who's

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Speaker 7: No, No one dog for one handler.

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Speaker 2: So Leo being a Springer Spaniel, he's not out there

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Speaker 7: So he's a narcotic detection dog. He's trained in five

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Speaker 7: His best fine today is twenty seven kilograms of cannabis

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Speaker 4: Nice work, It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: What's it like dealing with people that see Leo and

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Speaker 7: Is and yeah, every dog is different, so he has

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he's very much he's not meant to be,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Is that because of distraction will help them? It

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Speaker 4: No, I think that's just sort of who he is. Ohka.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of our labradors are very friendly and yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just one area of the police force. Ash,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the Career zexpos on Saturday between ten and two

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Speaker 8: We're very lucky to be police officer to serve the

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Speaker 2: You've been doing it for a while, I imagine the changes

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, when we joined in nine to eighty one,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, checking fingerprints meant looking at the ridges and picture

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Speaker 4: Did you get exactly free pizza hudd or hungry j.

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Speaker 8: Expect then pancakes of krillion and.

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Speaker 3: Call the discount for maybe you're a humble bloke, you

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Speaker 3: it's great. It's the only job I've ever had and

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Speaker 3: What we've got to offer.

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Speaker 2: I expect. It's one of those jobs with a really

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct.

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Speaker 7: The friendships that you make throughout your career your sort

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Speaker 4: A fairy tale.

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Speaker 3: You're going to talk about the bad stuff as well,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the hard stuff is reality. And as we go along,

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Speaker 8: So again with the technology changing and ever changing technology's

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Speaker 9: Which course is that the police academy course? It is

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Speaker 9: a have to be fit? Well you do it should

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and as time goes on, even more important to

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Speaker 8: And Ken and Leo, you know they search every day

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Speaker 7: Yeah, to do policing in general, you have to be

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Speaker 2: So I expect it would be very rewarding and also

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Speaker 2: thank you for doing it. We do appreciate people that

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Speaker 8: See your boys pleasure, thank you, thanks for having us

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Speaker 3: Best and only nine years mate to fifty f.

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Speaker 4: Well, have a big cake for you mate.

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Speaker 2: All the ninety six a FM, Clezie and Lisa