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Speaker 1: the line is the Opposition leader Leah Finocchiaro. Good morning, Lea,

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. Yes, it's exciting to have you know,

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, some pretty concerning claims by the now independent

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Speaker 2: Without question? And you know, of course Senator has expressed

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't comment on that because I just don't

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Speaker 2: in a teacup. Katie. Honestly, mister Hanson's comments are his own.

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Speaker 3: It's a good ann but it's not enough.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely not enough. And this has been the most

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Speaker 2: heartbreaking time for many retailers and hospitality businesses in the

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Speaker 2: whole two year pandemic, and so the Gunner government moved

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Speaker 2: across the territory, particularly in Central Australia, but also up

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Speaker 2: with those businesses. We want to see the relief packages

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Speaker 2: flowing through. The ones that were opened up at the

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Speaker 2: start of this pandemic need to be re released. The

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Speaker 2: vouchers that the government announced yesterday. Sure they're great, but

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Speaker 2: they're not going to help any business in Central Australia.

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Speaker 2: We've seen that time and time again that it just

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Speaker 2: hasn't packed the punch it needed to. And so we're

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Speaker 2: calling very strongly for government to start to put its

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Speaker 2: hand in its pocket. Instead of getting thirty five million

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Speaker 2: into criminals, let's start digging that up about monks businesses

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Speaker 2: so they don't close their doors.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you're going to be meeting with those businesses

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Speaker 1: in just a couple of minutes time, as I understand it.

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Speaker 1: Really calling for that is distance and calling for labor

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Speaker 1: to reinstate business.

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Speaker 3: Support for those crippled.

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Speaker 1: Those crippled businesses, a number of them are going to

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Speaker 1: that media event with you to really call upon the

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Speaker 1: government to step up and help out.

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Speaker 2: We stand shoulder to shoulder with business who are struggling

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Speaker 2: more than ever before, and if we don't help them now,

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Speaker 2: they might close their doors forever. They might leave the territory.

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Speaker 2: And what kind of territory do we want after this

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Speaker 2: COVID pandemic. We've got to stand with them now. They're

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Speaker 2: the employers, they're the people putting food on tables, and

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Speaker 2: we've got to back them in and we stand shoulder

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Speaker 2: to shoulder with them, and this morning we're showing government

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Speaker 2: just how strong that resolve is.

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Speaker 1: Well, Lea Finocchio, the opposition leaders, thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning. And I see that the

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Speaker 1: COLP has got a team in the Step Challenge and

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Speaker 1: doing quite well at the moment.

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Speaker 2: We sure do. We did the Step Challenge last year

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Speaker 2: and this year we are even more invigorated. We are

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Speaker 2: ready to rock and roll. Those steps are happening. We're

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Speaker 2: blugging them in. Or we're going to take on the

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Speaker 2: mixed team, take on the hot one hundred tea.

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Speaker 3: Try your best.

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Speaker 1: We're in front at the moment. I'm trying to bully

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Speaker 1: Labor into having a team as well.

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Speaker 3: Good on, Ylena, thanks for your time.

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Speaker 2: They're not up for it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,