Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody, Welcome to not another crime podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Georgia La, I'm Sammy Peterson.
Speaker 2: I'm a journalist.
Speaker 1: I am not going to tell you what we are job.
Speaker 1: That didn't make any sense. We are joined today.
Speaker 2: What we are joined by, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: And we are joined by today someone I'm a huge
Speaker 1: fan of, one of the great podcasters of our goddamn time,
Speaker 1: the great Joe. Welcome.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me. And that's probably the
Speaker 3: nicest introduction I've ever had.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, what do people? Usually says this guy, he'd
Speaker 2: start by saying, what we're joined by.
Speaker 3: Those close into a normal introduction lot, we're joined by it.
Speaker 1: But so we've had two other people you're very close with,
Speaker 1: colleagues with the great Jackson Bailey and Joel Zammett. And
Speaker 1: I haven't told you this, but you were when I
Speaker 1: first did your wonderful, wonderful podcast Belloing the Death Star.
Speaker 1: You weren't there that time, and I asked both of
Speaker 1: them to come on, and then I think there might
Speaker 1: have been a thing where it was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna ask. Remember, you're in a supermarket when k you
Speaker 1: what was this?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so I was in I honestly can't remember
Speaker 3: which chain it was, but Sun not Spun. You hate
Speaker 3: a supermarkets, but if any supermarkets want to reach out,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty played more than happy to. Yeah. So it
Speaker 3: was like shopping and uh it was the week after
Speaker 3: I can't remember. It was Jackson, Joel one of them
Speaker 3: Movi being on the show, and then over the radio
Speaker 3: in the supermarket was an advertisement for Not Another Crime Podcast.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, first of all, didn't
Speaker 3: no podcast got advertised in SuperM No, that's.
Speaker 1: Awesome for a big deal, A big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that, Like, it must have been like
Speaker 3: a because I was surprised because it was a reading
Speaker 3: done by neither of you, which is also kind of.
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. Who was it done?
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't a voice I recognized, I got my voice.
Speaker 4: It was kind of Jackie some awful.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He was saying, if you want to podcast the
Speaker 3: alliance perfect with my beliefs, why not check out Not
Speaker 3: Another Crime Podcast?
Speaker 2: As I said, this is a nonspown podcast. Anyway, if
Speaker 2: anyone is willing to give us a shout out, will
Speaker 2: take Oh.
Speaker 1: But we're happy to be in super much.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was like again like I was like, I
Speaker 3: didn't know this could even happen, but it did also
Speaker 3: feel spiteful. So thank you so much for following up.
Speaker 5: Welcome Sammy.
Speaker 2: This has worked perfectly. He doesn't realize we were following
Speaker 2: him around with the speaker.
Speaker 1: That's right, torturing in supermarket. It's actually huge for us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you are, I mean you've been podcasting for a
Speaker 1: long time, so you're one of the og podcasters in Australia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we will thank you, actually, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry for what we've done to the industry. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I started podcasting. I think our first episodes came
Speaker 3: out in twenty twelve. Yes, yeah, but we started.
Speaker 1: Did you start with plumbing the dead stuff?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: We actually we started the podcast network. So it was
Speaker 3: originally started at Literary University, which is the opposite of
Speaker 3: sponsor content because they kicked us out in the end
Speaker 3: and then knocked down the studio we used to record it,
Speaker 3: only to then rebuild a studio. It was crazy, felt
Speaker 3: how lost five.
Speaker 1: Redundancy package.
Speaker 2: They just did. They disliked you so vehemently that they
Speaker 2: wanted to burn all well.
Speaker 3: They had like a very awkward situation I think where
Speaker 3: they like, I mean, this is all just speculation, but
Speaker 3: basically fine alleged So allegedly, no, they podcasting like really
Speaker 3: took off. But in the spot where it took off
Speaker 3: was the time where they were like, hey, guys, you
Speaker 3: can't use this anymore. You're not anymore. Get out.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then like within six months they were running like
Speaker 3: this huge story about like how podcasting is a new
Speaker 3: way of new media and also like there's actually like
Speaker 3: brand new podcasts coming out of Latrobe University and didn't
Speaker 3: mention us, but then we looked up the ones they
Speaker 3: mentioned and we were like, oh, we're like five times
Speaker 3: the best size, Like.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Glarin is not your car, Yeah, it's only
Speaker 2: for Shure. So you're saying in twenty twelve podcast started
Speaker 2: becoming a big thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we were really lucky. Where So me and
Speaker 3: Jackson were students at Latrobe. Joel Zammett was a tutor,
Speaker 3: which sounds like.
Speaker 4: A torrid affair, but it was actually it was crazy.
Speaker 1: The affair.
Speaker 3: It was crazy, and.
Speaker 2: That's today's story. Thank you for the introduction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, te Yeah, the crime.
Speaker 2: Silence, I love an exclosive.
Speaker 1: That's what we gave you a beer because.
Speaker 3: No. So Jackson and I started university after taking a
Speaker 3: gap year, so we were a year older, and Latrobe
Speaker 3: had also for some reason given Joel a job when
Speaker 3: he was like doing honors rather than the masters, which
Speaker 3: is apparently usually a no.
Speaker 1: No again, A great.
Speaker 2: University twelve sounds confused.
Speaker 3: Well, it was in a period of time where they
Speaker 3: were transitioning from like, hey, well like the arts university
Speaker 3: to like, hey, science actually gets us a lot more money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get more international studios.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well they built like my first year at the Litrope,
Speaker 3: they built a brain new science building and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this does about run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the phone is talking in your pocket?
Speaker 1: WHOA check it out?
Speaker 5: Check it out?
Speaker 1: Well that's a bit cool, it said international students, and
Speaker 1: then said check it out in production that I gave
Speaker 1: you check it out? Sorry.
Speaker 3: So yeah, basically, yeah, so they were getting rid of
Speaker 3: the arts program slowly, and like a couple of years
Speaker 3: before I started there, there used to be like a
Speaker 3: basically like a college radio station or uniradio station.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So there was a audio studio there that was on
Speaker 3: par with what ABC were broad asking out of no
Speaker 3: one had used it in years. So Joel who was
Speaker 3: doing an honors on I can't remember. I think it
Speaker 3: was on Yeah, No, I think he was doing his
Speaker 3: honors on. Like it was either like new podcasting and
Speaker 3: the relationships formed, so it was like.
Speaker 1: Wow, like social relationships and yeah.
Speaker 3: Jumping into parasopic relationships, or it was just about parasocial
Speaker 3: relationships and podcasting was.
Speaker 1: Like a new team that was like interesting, and he.
Speaker 3: Was like, hey, let's restart the radio station. But instead
Speaker 3: of it being like a live broadcast, because that's god,
Speaker 3: what a lot of work. What if we do this
Speaker 3: new thing podcast which is basically recorded an hour of
Speaker 3: radio and then it could just be listened to whatever
Speaker 3: you like. That's okay. And then the first wave there
Speaker 3: was like six or seven shows started at once. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it wasn't just us, there was like it was
Speaker 3: like a unique group. So there was maybe like twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five students and then uh Jackie most of yeah
Speaker 3: Kylin Jackie Mission, Indy, Hey hey it's Saturday. But podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was saying it was.
Speaker 2: Huge, and it can because you can't see his face.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So we started all of that and then
Speaker 3: maybe like a month or two in when most of
Speaker 3: those podcasts have released anywhere between one and four episodes.
Speaker 3: We had a meeting and Joel was like, Hey, this
Speaker 3: is going really well. All these shows good stuff. We
Speaker 3: have already hit our bandwidth limit with SoundCloud at the time,
Speaker 3: so we're just to continue this. We just need twenty dollars.
Speaker 3: And that resulted in ninety percent of the people quitting.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that that is the most unique student
Speaker 2: the story I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: We're going to get twenty dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So then we so one of the shows the like, So,
Speaker 3: the first show on our network that pretty much powered
Speaker 3: through all of that was me Jackson and another person
Speaker 3: that's still involved with the podcast but doesn't have a
Speaker 3: weekly podcast at the moment, Zoe Blotto.
Speaker 1: It's great, Yeah, so funny.
Speaker 3: So US three had a podcast called shut Up a Second.
Speaker 3: That show is also now still going, but we've changed hosts.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I've yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: I haven't been asked on it, but I have heard
Speaker 2: it in the market.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so which he listens to everything.
Speaker 3: So that was the first show that was originally hosted
Speaker 3: by Me Jackson Zoey, and then from there, one of
Speaker 3: the other shows that we canceled was called an Hour
Speaker 3: of Your Life you won't get back right now where
Speaker 3: we were basically, and this was like real deep. You
Speaker 3: gotta remember it's twenty eleven or twenty twelve this point. Well,
Speaker 3: just like getting into like watching movies and being like,
Speaker 3: well we're going to talk so deep about it and
Speaker 3: like get lost in the universe. And then we did.
Speaker 1: What Green for.
Speaker 2: Someone studying there on it again it was way more like.
Speaker 3: Like still funny, but like we were like, let's try
Speaker 3: and get some answers or whatever.
Speaker 2: Again they're a UNI student taking yourself a bit too seriously.
Speaker 3: But then we did without twenty two episodes at the
Speaker 3: end of that run that will wiste stupid and that
Speaker 3: we talk, we're like, okay, hang on. There was also
Speaker 3: like six hosts of that show. Oh wow, so that
Speaker 3: got cut down to three, and then that became plumbing
Speaker 3: the death style, so like instead of just being like
Speaker 3: Shrek would be like the topic would be why Shrek Green? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Which you saw that from me?
Speaker 3: Which is it?
Speaker 1: Which is a great I think it's just such a
Speaker 1: fun idea for a podcast because you always say you're
Speaker 1: not a Star Wars podcast. But the questions are amazing. So,
Speaker 1: like I went on recently and talked about like does
Speaker 1: miss Petty actually love Kermit? Just yeah, and I just
Speaker 1: Stuart Little always comes out yeah chat yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Because we've been doing it for so long, there
Speaker 3: is definitely episode like if you go back and listen
Speaker 3: to the first episodes, which I would not recommend anyone
Speaker 3: doing if it was up to me, episode two hundred
Speaker 3: would probably be our first episode.
Speaker 2: When you know that when you tell someone not to
Speaker 2: do something, they're going to do it even harder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so we got to remember that also, like
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, twenty twelve, that was a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Now people spoke differently. Yeah, so yeah, So at first
Speaker 3: it started like us, I guess, like trying to satisfy
Speaker 3: the question in the topic, but then it just like
Speaker 3: now it's like.
Speaker 2: Chat shit.
Speaker 1: Answer yes always, that's so funny. But by the way,
Speaker 1: I had to say, when you look down at my
Speaker 1: stomach before I thought my stomach was rumbling for ages,
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to call me out on
Speaker 1: your stomach grumbling Your pocket was too. But I think
Speaker 1: I probably started podcasting in like maybe twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, this.
Speaker 2: Is wild to me. I am The first time I
Speaker 2: heard the word podcast would have been about twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which it was. It was kind of very I
Speaker 1: was with Stupid Old Studios they were called at the time,
Speaker 1: and me and Greg Fleet had a podcast together and
Speaker 1: it was very much. It felt like, you know, like
Speaker 1: pirate radio or something. Was so weird because we didn't
Speaker 1: really know what it was. You were asking on guests
Speaker 1: that would come on and go, where can I listen
Speaker 1: to this? Like the thing just so strange.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, like even we've been around for
Speaker 3: long enough that I remember when I was still hosting
Speaker 3: Shut Up a Second, where Dave Warnekey as a guest
Speaker 3: and he was like, yeah, I've just come from starting
Speaker 3: my own podcast, do go on?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well look okay, I hear you showing off
Speaker 2: and bragging about being like the first of the game.
Speaker 2: We might have only started in twenty twenty five, but
Speaker 2: we're in Wilworth.
Speaker 3: So yeah. Let me tell you, if any supermarket ever
Speaker 3: advertised any one of our shows, it would get shut
Speaker 3: down a medium.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because it's, yeah, like podcasters, so the
Speaker 2: market is so oversaturated, and I always talk about that
Speaker 2: and go, you know, so would be so hard to
Speaker 2: start on you and why I people bothering. Everyone's got
Speaker 2: their ones that we listened to, and then in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, so I mean I were like that, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's all crime one next time.
Speaker 3: Also, I will say that, like you can, there's ebbs
Speaker 3: and flows with podcasts because like ones that people go to,
Speaker 3: they're always ending, Like I feel like that every now
Speaker 3: they're like there'll be like a couple of months window
Speaker 3: where I'm like, oh, like four podcasts where I've just
Speaker 3: all ended.
Speaker 1: I know, I know what happened there.
Speaker 3: Hey, you've got a time it right. I guess there
Speaker 3: is still but.
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Speaker 1: Well, what's your relationship like with true crime?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Are you a true crime person?
Speaker 3: I a criminal? He's asking have I committed crimes? Yeah?
Speaker 3: But only cool chill ones. Yeah, so I never You're
Speaker 3: not going to believe this, but I've definitely dated people
Speaker 3: who have been obsessed with true crime point yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So I've listened to a lot of the earlier ones
Speaker 3: through osmosis or just them playing all I was.
Speaker 1: Around in the supermarket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I will say that I was like, I've
Speaker 3: definitely I go through phases where I'll watch a lot
Speaker 3: of it on you Tube. Yeah, where I've got like
Speaker 3: a few like content creators where I'm like, Okay, well
Speaker 3: let's see what this horrible thing happened. Yeah, cool, that
Speaker 3: was interesting.
Speaker 1: It's really horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But one thing that I think ties more into
Speaker 3: true crime, but it's still like mystery solving. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: rather than like grizzly murders and stuff like that, or
Speaker 3: like you know, tales of survival and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: which I do find interesting. Yeah, but like things like
Speaker 3: lost media and like real people just like going absolutely
Speaker 3: insane to just find like a missing episode of TV.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, it was like really.
Speaker 3: Drives people crazy. And I love that.
Speaker 1: I loved is great and I know that you're a
Speaker 1: big fan of Who Dares Wins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So during lockdown I remembered it existed and then
Speaker 3: found out that on YouTube there was I think it
Speaker 3: was the first episode, oh no, sorry, the last the
Speaker 3: last ever episode of Few Days Wins, and then like
Speaker 3: a compilation VHS tape that had been uploaded, and then
Speaker 3: I think there was one other random episode, and I
Speaker 3: was like, where's the other hundred? And then I was like,
Speaker 3: I'll just go looking, and then I was like I
Speaker 3: can't find them anywhere, and then yeah, I became a
Speaker 3: little unwell about it for a bit. I did manage
Speaker 3: to uncover like two or three more episodes, but I
Speaker 3: got to the point where I was posting in the
Speaker 3: lost media subreddit like being like, hey, here's what I've done.
Speaker 3: But it got to the point where the next step
Speaker 3: was to pretty much hit up producers of the show
Speaker 3: through LinkedIn and be like, hey, what's the deal with this?
Speaker 3: Either that or try and get in contact with Mike
Speaker 3: whitt Whitney, which probably Whitney.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it got.
Speaker 3: It got, But because it got it was going to
Speaker 3: have to be through LinkedIn and my LinkedIn because of
Speaker 3: the podcasting, uh not super detail, not detailed enough that
Speaker 3: if someone got a d from me that they would
Speaker 3: take it seriously. So I kind of was like, I'll
Speaker 3: get back to that. I'll have to either really set
Speaker 3: it up and be like, well, I guess I'm doxing myself. Yeah, fine,
Speaker 3: like team up with someone that isn't like a public
Speaker 3: facing person. But yeah, I just never got to it.
Speaker 3: I have so many like unread dms on Reddit of
Speaker 3: people be like we are you white with the search,
Speaker 3: so like it got some traction. But yeah, like I
Speaker 3: love stuff like that, or like when just like weird
Speaker 3: stuff happens, not necessarily like wha, we saw a UFO whatever,
Speaker 3: but like and we'll get to it with the like
Speaker 3: a weird case.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well it's really fascinating though, that what people
Speaker 1: get fascinated. But I think who is such a funny
Speaker 1: one because the tapes would be somewhere, but also they're
Speaker 1: not probably at a TV station anymore because it was
Speaker 1: a show that existed so long ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well here's a crazy thing without Who Does Wins?
Speaker 3: Trump's not the president?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So Who Does Wins? Is a dare television show
Speaker 3: and it was one of the best of its kind.
Speaker 3: In fact, it was so popular but weird popular that
Speaker 3: it spawned. There was like an Indian version and there
Speaker 3: was an American version. The American version is called Fear Factor,
Speaker 3: which was hosted by Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan doesn't do
Speaker 3: Fear Factor. He never starts a Joe Rogan experience, which
Speaker 3: means that that whole manner sphere movement doesn't happen, which
Speaker 3: means that Trump probably doesn't win the prem like doesn't
Speaker 3: win the election.
Speaker 1: I'm furious that it's all Mike Whitney.
Speaker 3: And I mean you could go further back. If Mike
Speaker 3: Whitney didn't survive that one over in the Ashes, then
Speaker 3: he wouldn't have been a guy. So then it none
Speaker 3: of would have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so funny when I think about that show,
Speaker 1: all the thing I always remember. I think I've already
Speaker 1: brought it up on the podcast. Yeah, is a couple
Speaker 1: in It was always in a shopping center. It was
Speaker 1: a couple in a shopping center and actually playing Mike Whitney.
Speaker 1: Mike Whitney held a fifty dollars note pine that problems
Speaker 1: the minutes right and and goes if you get undressed
Speaker 1: and hop in that slipping bag, I'll give you a
Speaker 1: fifty bucks or always fifty bucks. And people would just
Speaker 1: do it, and then he'd pretend to run off with
Speaker 1: their clothes and be hilarious. And so we always had
Speaker 1: these things planned and it would always be running off
Speaker 1: with something that belonged to them. Yeah, there was of
Speaker 1: ever giving anything back. There was Mike Quitney made a
Speaker 1: lot of money.
Speaker 3: There was like one that was like I think it
Speaker 3: was in the compilation, but there was one where it
Speaker 3: was just like a guy where he was just like
Speaker 3: if you undressed down to your jocks and then we're
Speaker 3: gonna body paint you, and then you just go shopping
Speaker 3: and body paint.
Speaker 1: It was a supermarket again, it was a shopping stea.
Speaker 3: It kind of had like high point vibes.
Speaker 2: That was always undressing people for fifty dollars on TV.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he would occasionally it would also just
Speaker 3: be like there was another one where it was like,
Speaker 3: for two hundred dollars, you jump to the level three
Speaker 3: of the like, so we again thinks like, yeah, like
Speaker 3: high point vibes, I think that's probably and landing like
Speaker 3: a big inflatable mat. So they were just like teaching
Speaker 3: this like teenage girl. So it felt very much like
Speaker 3: I don't think you're old enough that you can consent.
Speaker 2: To do, which broke in my brain because for two reasons. One,
Speaker 2: I'm now also going to become obsessed with finding these
Speaker 2: because I need to believe that this is all actually true.
Speaker 2: And also that Donald Trump link, You've you've broken something
Speaker 2: in there I don't think I.
Speaker 3: Can ever, because like I I kind of like had
Speaker 3: a thought. I was like, I wonder if like this
Speaker 3: is again during the Who Does Win's madness, I was like, Ah,
Speaker 3: I wonder if Who Does Wins was like influenced by
Speaker 3: Fear Factor. But I was like, in my head, Who
Speaker 3: Does Wings is so nineties and fear Factor yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and that is that is true and fear Factor is
Speaker 3: like who Does Wins? Also is like that that that
Speaker 3: first type of that show, not the first to do it,
Speaker 3: but like to the point where fear Factor is like
Speaker 3: has said that they were inspired by the success of
Speaker 3: Whodaes Wins.
Speaker 2: That feel quite shaken.
Speaker 1: Well, this has blown your mind more than when the
Speaker 1: Great Jackson Bailey came on and said I won day.
Speaker 1: I wished that I had curly hair.
Speaker 2: And then he just had nothing will blow my mind
Speaker 2: more than that.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't explain it.
Speaker 3: I might have there's a photo of him when he's
Speaker 3: like seventeen and he has like shoulder length blonde, dead
Speaker 3: straight hair. No.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's it's wild to me that that exists or
Speaker 1: something that he said, Yeah, I just wish for it.
Speaker 1: One day it can happen.
Speaker 2: I well, brain's broken. I'm gonna have to sit the
Speaker 2: rest of this episode out. I need a minute.
Speaker 1: I need to touch some grass or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm so sorry that I've come to you with
Speaker 3: such forbidden knowledge, but you do have it.
Speaker 1: You do have a story for us today.
Speaker 3: It's very exciting.
Speaker 1: Is it a weird It's.
Speaker 3: A weird unsolved mystery that like there was no real victims.
Speaker 3: I guess it was more just like a weird thing
Speaker 3: that happened and the FBI got involved and no one
Speaker 3: could figure out what had happened or why it happened,
Speaker 3: and then everyone just had to move on.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, feels a bit like burn after reading.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's the Max head Room TV hijacking.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love it already.
Speaker 1: I don't know that already.
Speaker 3: So basically to give you just a quick overview of
Speaker 3: what happens, or at least like what people in Chicago
Speaker 3: saw on TV so on the twenty second of November
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty seven, with TV stations in Chicago just
Speaker 3: after nine pm and the nine PM news, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, TV during a sports report, the TV cuts
Speaker 3: to black, bit of static and then Max head a
Speaker 3: person dressed as Max Headroom and then after a moment,
Speaker 3: Max Headroom comes onto the screen Max Headroom if people
Speaker 3: don't know, which is fair enough. He was like a
Speaker 3: video DJ on MTV. I'm pretty sure, in like the
Speaker 3: late fake name yeah Max, like Maximum. Yeah. So it
Speaker 3: was like a weird situation where he was a real
Speaker 3: like it was a man in makeup in the actual
Speaker 3: MTV version, a man in my up but had like
Speaker 3: early CGI effects behind him to make it look like
Speaker 3: kind of like a sci fi movie, just like introducing
Speaker 3: the videos and stuff like that and hosting a show.
Speaker 3: It was meant to be like whoa, it's the late eighties,
Speaker 3: it's the future. Actually yeah, and they also I mean
Speaker 3: Max Headroom, which is unrelated to this mystery, but they
Speaker 3: also decided to launch that show in the craziest way
Speaker 3: possible where they made it like a direct to TV
Speaker 3: movie that was like a cyberpunk like origin story and
Speaker 3: like explains why he got the name Max Headroom and
Speaker 3: how he ended up in a computer and becoming like
Speaker 3: a fake guy.
Speaker 2: I don't say Max Headroom is a great drag name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. Well, I mean yeah, I'll show
Speaker 3: you a photo of him because he I mean, like,
Speaker 3: if you're naming yourself Max Headroom as a drag like
Speaker 3: Whilest doing drag, you might as well just steal his
Speaker 3: entire Look, it's amazing. It's like slicked blat. Yes, that
Speaker 3: is not what I expected.
Speaker 2: He looks like a cartoon carricter, like Johnny Brovo. Y.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's fascinating. Okay, so there was a lot
Speaker 1: going on with Max Headroom. He actually had Maximum made room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's like an actual.
Speaker 1: Okay, kind of looks a little bit like the mask
Speaker 1: a little bit as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, blonde blonde mask bit Chohnny Bravo. Anyway, so
Speaker 3: fictional character they made a TV movie. The characters British
Speaker 3: or the TV movie was it was just all like
Speaker 3: all over his name, Max Headroom because he was a
Speaker 3: journalist and he was being chased by like a mob
Speaker 3: or something and he explain it. He drove into a
Speaker 3: car park where the Max Headroom was two point three
Speaker 3: meters and that was the last thing he saw before
Speaker 3: he got knocked into a coma. Yeah, and then they
Speaker 3: uploaded his consciousness into a computer. It's a very complicated
Speaker 3: you gotta remember. This is pretty much the equivalent of like,
Speaker 3: what if they just introduced a new guy for video hits? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and then they're like, what if we gave him the
Speaker 3: most complicated backstory?
Speaker 1: I love the backstory of films. That's like what didn't
Speaker 1: need to be that? It was also remember private Parts
Speaker 1: the film Oh yeah yeah, yeah about Howard Stern. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like Howard Stern as Howard Stern, So he
Speaker 1: plays himself in kind of an auto biographical story about
Speaker 1: his life. It's weird because he plays himself and I
Speaker 1: imagine Max Headroom would have played himself in that wonderful film.
Speaker 3: Yes, so yeah, there's an actor that plays Max Headroom,
Speaker 3: but like Max Headroom the video DJ yeah the man insane. Anyway,
Speaker 3: So the hacking, so Dan Rohan is doing the sports
Speaker 3: report cuts the black Max Headroom appears, but it's not
Speaker 3: the Max Headroom. It's someone dressed as Max Headroom, and
Speaker 3: instead of having the CGI graphics behind them, they had
Speaker 3: just having a corrugated iron roof and someone is clearly
Speaker 3: spooning it to make it look like that.
Speaker 2: It's oh my god god.
Speaker 3: Then so static during it, no voices or anything, just
Speaker 3: that image just well it's video yeah, so it kind
Speaker 3: of looks like a guy's trapped in a TV I guess,
Speaker 3: but it's like low fire and weird, and it's interrupted
Speaker 3: the news and like people were.
Speaker 1: Like, what nineteen eighty seven, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Twenty second of November nineteen eighty seven. Wow the heck anyway.
Speaker 3: Then two hours later, on a different show, different channel,
Speaker 3: but still Chicago, at quarter past eleven, there is an
Speaker 3: episode of Doctor Who airing the Horror of fang Rock,
Speaker 3: a fourth Doctor Adventure just in case the same thing happens,
Speaker 3: cuts the black for a second. Static max Edrom comes back,
Speaker 3: this time for over ninety seconds, and this time, Oh,
Speaker 3: he speaks, yes, give it to me. So I don't
Speaker 3: have the exact dialogue because he's using like a pretty
Speaker 3: much like a vocoder, So it kind of sounds weirdly
Speaker 3: even though they interrupted max Headroom. M well, yeah, because
Speaker 3: they interrupted Doctor Who. He kind of sounds like for
Speaker 3: anyone who has watched Doctor Who or is like familiar,
Speaker 3: he sounds kind of like a Dalek. It's like really
Speaker 3: like synthesized, but he's saying insane stuff right, like kind
Speaker 3: of nonsense. At the time, the fictional character Max Edroom
Speaker 3: was being used to advertise new coke. So the guy
Speaker 3: picked up a can of pepsi and goes like oh
Speaker 3: and throws it and then says the new Coke catchphrase.
Speaker 3: Then at one point he starts singing like a nineteen
Speaker 3: sixties intro cartoon theme song, like humming It, but with
Speaker 3: this horrible vocode of stuff. And then he makes reference
Speaker 3: to that and then he goes, ah, they've got my files.
Speaker 3: No one noticed what that was in response to yeah,
Speaker 3: well now if it happened.
Speaker 1: Today, talking about it hedroom on the island.
Speaker 3: And then he he calls like, he's like, I've given
Speaker 3: you a new mystery, you nerds, and then it cuts
Speaker 3: to a slightly different angle where he says, oh no, sorry.
Speaker 3: Then he says, oh no, they're coming to get me.
Speaker 3: Then it cuts to a different angle where he's bent
Speaker 3: over with his pants pulled down hilarious. And there is
Speaker 3: another person dresses a maid, wearing a hat that covers
Speaker 3: her face. People assume feminine just because of like body shape.
Speaker 3: You'd never get any confirmation. He goes, oh, no, don't
Speaker 3: do it, and then she starts spanking with a fly swatter,
Speaker 3: and then she says she says something she calls him.
Speaker 3: She says like something something bitch also vocated yep ye,
Speaker 3: and then he goes He just makes like a weird
Speaker 3: groaning noise like ah, but like real synthesize cuts back
Speaker 3: to the doctor who. No one knows what the fuck happens.
Speaker 1: Seconds that's quite a long long time.
Speaker 3: So when it happened during the news, they could see
Speaker 3: what was happening Bolster, they were broadcasting, So when it
Speaker 3: comes back to the news reporter, he was like, you're
Speaker 3: probably wondering what just happened too, yell. But like with
Speaker 3: the doctor who thing, it was just people were just like,
Speaker 3: what is gone when that happened.
Speaker 2: Because there'd been no one in the studios or anything
Speaker 2: that would have just been automated to play eleven adopt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the time, hacking was rare, and also that's quite.
Speaker 1: An operation as well to have that many things going on.
Speaker 3: So it had happened before. Okay, So the first time
Speaker 3: it was known to have happened was actually in Southern England. Uh,
Speaker 3: it was exactly, not exactly but almost to the day,
Speaker 3: ten years earlier.
Speaker 2: Ten years earlier, in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3: Seven, is the first case that we're aware of and
Speaker 3: basically in Southern England, one of the TV show TV
Speaker 3: Networks was hacked. There was a four and a half
Speaker 3: minute voiceover so the image didn't change. Oh, there was
Speaker 3: just sound to put over what was going on, and
Speaker 3: it said look very funny and also drove people crazy.
Speaker 3: They were like, hey, we're really in We're from an
Speaker 3: alien race where an alien ambassador trying to speak to people.
Speaker 3: We're about to enter a new age of Aquarius. And
Speaker 3: then it just stopped and everyone was like, what the fuck.
Speaker 3: The people well, it's a hoax and they were like
Speaker 3: people are like, yeah, I bet you'd say it's a hoax.
Speaker 2: And the yeah, so there's people going you'd say it
Speaker 2: was a hoax.
Speaker 3: Would yeah. Actually, the first time it happened in America
Speaker 3: was actually like it was like eighteen months before, so
Speaker 3: April nineteen eighty six. And that is another famous case
Speaker 3: because it was to protest HBO. Wow, this cable was
Speaker 3: cutting into satellite dish sales or something. So a guy
Speaker 3: who worked for like satellite dish sales caught himself Captain
Speaker 3: Midnight and he basically the same thing, same thing. He
Speaker 3: hacks into HBO and he's like he says something like
Speaker 3: Cable twelve ninety nine a month or something. This is
Speaker 3: Captain mid No and I think that's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Anyway, they find him because he's caught within the week
Speaker 3: bragging about doing it at work.
Speaker 1: I'm amazing.
Speaker 2: Feel like there'd be so few people who would want
Speaker 2: to do that, like they would have the message that
Speaker 2: they want to get across it spific and also to
Speaker 2: have the skills to be able to do that. I
Speaker 2: would think in eighty six fewer people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the Southern England one, the culprits were never found,
Speaker 3: but they were like, weird this one they find him.
Speaker 3: Max Headroom happens, and that one's stranger because there's images,
Speaker 3: like the images and the fact that it was so
Speaker 3: there was no There was another one. I don't actually
Speaker 3: have the information about it, but basically the Playboy channel
Speaker 3: was also hacked. Again just audio, Yeah, come on, nothing sacred.
Speaker 3: This was also This is also around the same time
Speaker 3: in the eighties and look, this is going to be
Speaker 3: no shock, but someone hacked to play like Bible verses
Speaker 3: and be like wow, yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So the
Speaker 3: reason that Max Headroom one is so significant at the
Speaker 3: time is one it wasn't just audio, it was visuals.
Speaker 3: To know, never owned up to it. No one really
Speaker 3: knows why they did it. There was no clear message
Speaker 3: there was like it was just strange and like this
Speaker 3: footage you can just it is on YouTube because because
Speaker 3: they I guess I don't know if this would have
Speaker 3: been part of the plan, but because it was doctor who,
Speaker 3: that was obviously something that like people would take. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and also I guess the news like that.
Speaker 2: Would keep records of that if you watch it later.
Speaker 3: And uh, and also like you can find both but
Speaker 3: if you had lost the news interruption because there's no
Speaker 3: words said, but the one where he talks is so unsettling.
Speaker 3: It's just especially because it's like eighties TV, so it's
Speaker 3: like a little bit staticky. You're watching it on like
Speaker 3: a When you watch it, it literally feels like you're like
Speaker 3: your TV is could like trying to tell you a
Speaker 3: message and coming to get sort of.
Speaker 1: Does he look enough like Max Headrowe? Yeah, look like
Speaker 1: he really does.
Speaker 2: Like it's he it was someone as.
Speaker 3: It's obvious it's someone just but at the same time,
Speaker 3: it's not like really bad. It's not like it's just
Speaker 3: someone wearing a wig.
Speaker 1: They're wearing a full wow, which like I look at
Speaker 1: and go, well, there's so many people involved in that,
Speaker 1: Like there's someone filming, there's you know, other people involved,
Speaker 1: there's a makeup person there, there's so many different people.
Speaker 2: Whoever understands the broadcast technology to be able to.
Speaker 3: So the FBI And another thing that was really interesting
Speaker 3: is the FBI had just passed the law opping not
Speaker 3: doing that, the upping the penalty, because like the Captain
Speaker 3: Midnight thing had happened, and they'd been like, oh god,
Speaker 3: it's like it's not really hard to do, so people
Speaker 3: will do it. He got one year of probation and
Speaker 3: a five thousand dollar fine. It got up to one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollar fine five years.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't directly like it's not like it was
Speaker 3: like earlier that week check timeline, but it was like
Speaker 3: recent enough that people like maybe it was just like
Speaker 3: a funny like sticking it to the man flex like
Speaker 3: you never do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it is so interesting to me as
Speaker 1: someone who would like I'm not saying that I would
Speaker 1: do this, but if someone did that, the fact that
Speaker 1: they never told anyone is such a huge flex. Like
Speaker 1: I think to leave that mystery unsolved is just wild
Speaker 1: to me that that would exist as a concept.
Speaker 2: You think people are doing it to be able to
Speaker 2: brag about it and like the other guy did.
Speaker 1: Like a political point.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, exactly, it's just like but it is like
Speaker 3: late eighties, so people like it's just like counterculture. I
Speaker 3: guess it's like people could settle on leather, like like
Speaker 3: they didn't care about being known for doing this. They
Speaker 3: prove that they could.
Speaker 1: Was it Crystal Lily? It could have been Crystal because
Speaker 1: he's hilarious. He does larious. That guys hilarious.
Speaker 3: I've got like I can show you. And also I
Speaker 3: think it's probably you'll get a taste of how crazy
Speaker 3: the audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, need to kind of put this on their Instagram
Speaker 1: as wow, oh that's way scarier than I thought it
Speaker 1: was going to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: It looks a bit like the puppet in saus Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, it's actually Billy the puppet.
Speaker 3: Actually it's the name of the Poppeteah's Cramer.
Speaker 5: Actually, Oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So you're just watching TV and then that happens
Speaker 3: and you're.
Speaker 1: Like Jesus Christ's terrifying and then also.
Speaker 3: Especially because like even like it's in that upload as well,
Speaker 3: but like the bent over and the spanking thing, it's
Speaker 3: sort of side and so even though you know it's rude,
Speaker 3: you're not really seeing anything. You're getting like it's not
Speaker 3: like you get full ars or anything like that. So
Speaker 3: it's also another thing where it's like.
Speaker 2: If you're not even going to give full ass the point.
Speaker 3: But then also at the same time, like that would
Speaker 3: be so scary for like the TV networks to be like, oh,
Speaker 3: he could have gone like full dick out exactly.
Speaker 2: That would never happen on TV.
Speaker 1: So what do you think the theories are a huge.
Speaker 3: They at the time, they sort of were like okay,
Speaker 3: because the two networks were like local to Chicago, so
Speaker 3: they're like, well, here's the two broadcast towers. If they
Speaker 3: managed to get into a high rise, it's in these
Speaker 3: couple of areas and had this type of equipment, they
Speaker 3: might have been able to do that.
Speaker 2: But so they don't even really know how someone did it.
Speaker 3: They're not like, it's not it's not like that. They
Speaker 3: then found it's not like that. I don't know. They
Speaker 3: were investigating and they kicked open a door and there
Speaker 3: was an empty car, get an eye and the mask.
Speaker 3: Well they knew.
Speaker 2: There was like a satellite that could easily be interfered with.
Speaker 3: They're just like, we think we know what happened.
Speaker 2: That's someone more concerning. You would think that people who
Speaker 2: are broadcasting TV know how someone could do that. I
Speaker 2: feel like it's different to you know, these days, being
Speaker 2: able to hack into like a banking online system or something.
Speaker 2: There's so many security measures and stuff in place for that.
Speaker 2: One of these naive to say, But I would think
Speaker 2: in the eighties broadcasting television is a much more specific
Speaker 2: thing that like, well, the technology.
Speaker 3: Is very different Playboy hacking that happened because there was
Speaker 3: like a password system that was actually pretty easy to
Speaker 3: get passed, right right, right right that one that were
Speaker 3: like okay, everyone, yeah, we figured we know where the
Speaker 3: weakness was. But with this though, like I think they
Speaker 3: just had like microwave signals that were strong enough.
Speaker 1: To God and the FBI were involved, were.
Speaker 3: Involved crime, but then the statue of limitation was five years,
Speaker 3: so as of nineteen ninety two, They're like, well, even
Speaker 3: if we find out now, but then still no one
Speaker 3: came forward nothing.
Speaker 2: You'd be so tempted to but then worried that.
Speaker 3: We've changed firing squad time the only option.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Sammy, what's your theory?
Speaker 1: I feel like it must have been a point that
Speaker 1: was missed. I feel like there must have been a
Speaker 1: political point or something.
Speaker 3: I think because the short film is so like, ye,
Speaker 3: it's like we like if you watch it now again.
Speaker 3: Also on YouTube it's called like Max Headroom twenty Minutes
Speaker 3: into the Future. It's like a one hour film, but
Speaker 3: it's like really and Max Headroom, the character itself was
Speaker 3: meant to sort of be like anti consumerism and sort
Speaker 3: of be like kind of a comment on like, well,
Speaker 3: the way the world's going, So it sort of makes
Speaker 3: sense just for it to be weird that enough to
Speaker 3: prove the point to be like you're all mine controlled
Speaker 3: by TV.
Speaker 2: And it's just someone kind of yeah, showing off that
Speaker 2: they can sick into it.
Speaker 1: Is the person that played Max headro Ya Maximus head Rooms.
Speaker 1: Were they did they ever come forward and say anything
Speaker 1: like was there any actually yeah, wondering as a thing to.
Speaker 5: Be like, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: He was the one that released that song. It was
Speaker 2: on TV. Wasn't thank you? I wrote it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I have a theory.
Speaker 6: Whoa, oh my god, dis just made that noise happen
Speaker 6: with his tail. But this is very like this episode
Speaker 6: we're talking about weird speaking, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I I just think it's so bizarre as like
Speaker 1: not having any clear answers but such a niche, niche
Speaker 1: thing to do.
Speaker 3: But it's also like really intense, like it's not just
Speaker 3: like again, I feel like that if it was just audio,
Speaker 3: people like, oh, it's like a weird signal overlap. There
Speaker 3: was an unfortunate like I have a few more examples
Speaker 3: of it happening, not like it's still over ten years ago,
Speaker 3: but in the two thousands there was a so in
Speaker 3: February twenty twenty, that's sorry, twenty thirteen, someone hacked into
Speaker 3: the emergency broadcast system and they played a message that
Speaker 3: the dead had risen from their graves and were attacking
Speaker 3: nearby civilians. Do not approach them, they're dangerous, go into
Speaker 3: hiding and tune into a radio station, which obviously, and
Speaker 3: again that was a thing of like, Okay, someone just
Speaker 3: figured out that past were they got into the emergency
Speaker 3: Hilaire is prank, Yeah, funny prank. There was another very
Speaker 3: unfortunate incident where a morning news report was replaced with
Speaker 3: three minutes of pornography.
Speaker 2: I remember hearing about the Yeah.
Speaker 3: That was at first everyone was like, oh my god, hackers.
Speaker 3: And it turns out that there'd been like a faulty
Speaker 3: cable and people repairing it and they just plugged the wrong.
Speaker 2: They just put it on an adult channel.
Speaker 3: They pretty much just rewired it so that the broadcast
Speaker 3: switched with an adult only.
Speaker 2: My imagine fucking up your job so badly that people
Speaker 2: thought it was like a planned political.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's funny that like stuff like that can like make
Speaker 3: the news even though it's just like a simple mistake,
Speaker 3: but it becomes like a like yeah, yeah, I worked
Speaker 3: at a cinema, Like that was like my job for
Speaker 3: fifteen years, and my cinema made the news one day
Speaker 3: because instead of screening Zutopia, they screened Deadpool, just because
Speaker 3: it was just like a that is so easy to do.
Speaker 3: Basically all you need to do is like so the
Speaker 3: way that movies work now that it's all digital and whatever,
Speaker 3: it's basically just like you assigned like the sessions will
Speaker 3: be there sort of it. It would have gone like
Speaker 3: Zopia Deadpool and then when that happens, you just assigned
Speaker 3: like the right movie to the right thing. It was
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, someone just chucked Deadpool and there's Utopia.
Speaker 3: Car Hey, buddy, I can't play right now.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a podcast, actually a podcast. He's very impressed
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 3: It's turned off. I really like it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: It's showing me. I haven't seen it a million times.
Speaker 3: And then like three A w came in and tried
Speaker 3: to interview people and like what about all that because
Speaker 3: Deadpool opens with a pretty hectic scene. Yes, and we're
Speaker 3: like yeah. It was just its like, yeah, that happens.
Speaker 3: I'm it sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a huge political movement of like, yeah, you
Speaker 3: want to watch a Disney movie.
Speaker 1: I had I don't know I've told this on the
Speaker 1: podcast before, but I had a moment where you're like
Speaker 1: the v HS tapes like going down to get one,
Speaker 1: and Mum took me and my brother down to go
Speaker 1: and get one, and I want to go. I watched
Speaker 1: Spider Man's a new cartoon, Spider Man. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: about it, and they'd put the wrong the guy Jeff
Speaker 1: had put the wrong tape. Name him jeffiez of shit
Speaker 1: and he put it. He put a very very very
Speaker 1: graphic film in there, and it was so we kept
Speaker 1: running out to mum in the garden, going, Spider Man
Speaker 1: is not on yet, and she goes, he'll be on soon.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. It's not a cartoon. You don't
Speaker 1: worry about it's not to be a cartoon.
Speaker 2: She's thinking, it's like trailer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this woman put her in the film. She
Speaker 1: put her hand. She had a huge incision and she
Speaker 1: put her hand in the incision and started moving around
Speaker 1: in her guts. And me and my brother Michael was watching, going,
Speaker 1: I don't think this is no Spider Man. And it
Speaker 1: was so graphic. We would have been probably about twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. Now we've probably been about I know, like
Speaker 1: was it six, like we were so young?
Speaker 3: Was it video droom?
Speaker 1: I don't know what the film was.
Speaker 3: What is that? A similar that has James Wood in
Speaker 3: it and at one point he gets pretty much of
Speaker 3: vagina on his stomach that he puts his hand.
Speaker 1: That's it, that's it.
Speaker 2: I am so I just found out what you knew
Speaker 2: what that was from that one description.
Speaker 3: David's first famous movie before he made the Fly. I
Speaker 3: love that movie.
Speaker 1: So okay, so I'm watching that with my brother. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: I need to it's a I'm sorry, I cold a
Speaker 1: vagina an incision.
Speaker 3: That's you did.
Speaker 1: Six years old.
Speaker 2: I think we didn't have a lessons anatomy.
Speaker 1: Not interesting. I get it.
Speaker 3: I'm a little curious, get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that film, and it was so full
Speaker 1: on and you're like in the moment.
Speaker 2: But that's Mum saying no, just why.
Speaker 1: Mom still brings it up?
Speaker 2: Ye one like that I've done is I was just
Speaker 2: the annoying little sister. My sister's four years older than me,
Speaker 2: so there were quite a few years there where I
Speaker 2: was annoyingly younger, you know, And we were on a
Speaker 2: plane and it was back in the day is where
Speaker 2: there was a choice of movies you could watch, but
Speaker 2: they will start it like there were say five different channels,
Speaker 2: and you what would see in the aeroplane magazine, like
Speaker 2: this movie starts on this channel at this time, and
Speaker 2: you couldn't just start watch any time exactly. So it
Speaker 2: was just after Titanic could come out, and so obviously
Speaker 2: I loved Leonardo DiCaprio and the Man in the Iron Mask,
Speaker 2: was on the plane and I was like, that's Leonardo
Speaker 2: DiCaprio's I want to watch that because I like him.
Speaker 2: And I was in grade three and Mum was saying, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's too you know, you won't like that. It's too
Speaker 2: grown up. And my sister had said to me, she's like,
Speaker 2: you want, and I said, I want to watch it
Speaker 2: with I want to watch watch it within she goes,
Speaker 2: you won't like it. Half of it's in another language anyway,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I really want to watch everyone
Speaker 2: want to watch it, and she said, okay, you can
Speaker 2: watch it on your own and I'll watch on my
Speaker 2: own and you're not to speak to me while. So
Speaker 2: I put on the channel that it was on exactly
Speaker 2: and I was watching it and it had been going
Speaker 2: for over an hour, and I tapped her on the
Speaker 2: leg and she was like what And I said when
Speaker 2: does it change to English? And she went what? And
Speaker 2: I said, you said, half it's in another language, but
Speaker 2: it's still in another language. I had put on the
Speaker 2: German channel. I was watching The Man in the Iron Mask,
Speaker 2: but in German, but because she had said to me,
Speaker 2: half of it's in another language, meaning there were subtitles
Speaker 2: I thought she meant the first half was in German.
Speaker 3: I really hope says understands you. I also had an
Speaker 3: experience when I was a kid where I went to
Speaker 3: go see the movie mouse Hunt. The projectionist played the
Speaker 3: Devil's Advocate instead, which is an interesting one because I
Speaker 3: was like six or seven.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, one with Lee Nathan Lean, Nathan Leane
Speaker 1: and Lee Mack. Yeah, not Lee Mac, It's not Lee Mack,
Speaker 1: It's Lee Evans or something like that. He was an
Speaker 1: old like he was a big medium back in the day,
Speaker 1: and then he retired from doing comed and he's he
Speaker 1: didn't trust America anymore because all the agents him off
Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, anyway, so yeah, Evids.
Speaker 3: I think it was Yeah. So yeah, the Devil's Advocate
Speaker 3: was a weird one, and I got more traumatized, I think,
Speaker 3: by everyone in this because it was a pretty cinema
Speaker 3: was maybe like half full, so but a lot of
Speaker 3: families school holidays, and the opening scene of that movie
Speaker 3: is a court case about a teacher assaulting a student.
Speaker 3: So but to children, that was just like grown up
Speaker 3: language I didn't understand. But to the adults, they were
Speaker 3: like Jesus Christ, so like all the adults like freaking
Speaker 3: out in the cinema were an understanding, which then made
Speaker 3: them really scared, so traumatized that for a little while,
Speaker 3: my parents actually made friends with that local cinema. Thankfully
Speaker 3: it was small, and because I used to really like
Speaker 3: going to the movies and I was like six, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I was really scared. But then like the projectionist
Speaker 3: was like had come down to apologize to all the
Speaker 3: kids fred who he was. But then the projectionist then
Speaker 3: made friends with my mom and my dad. I guess,
Speaker 3: so like whenever we came to the movies, they'd let
Speaker 3: me upstairs to watch the first five minutes from the
Speaker 3: projection booth so that I could like make sure it
Speaker 3: was the right movie because I wouldn't go into the cinema.
Speaker 3: And but then I got over it. Thank you. I'm
Speaker 3: just give me the most fucked is a video.
Speaker 2: Has been a beautiful psychology session.
Speaker 3: I know so many feelings and I solved the video
Speaker 3: drome mystery.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 1: The drome. It's called video drome. Okay, I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: it again. I've GOTTSD.
Speaker 3: But it's a weird one for a kid to watch
Speaker 3: because it's kind of a slow burn. It's like and
Speaker 3: it's like weird intense. It's not just like someone getting
Speaker 3: shot and you're like, oh god, horrible. It's like what
Speaker 3: is this guy's put his head in the TV water?
Speaker 1: Yeahs coming out?
Speaker 5: Oh god?
Speaker 2: Alright, would you like to know my theory on love?
Speaker 1: Right? Okay?
Speaker 2: So the V to me the story itself and then
Speaker 2: seeing the vision is giving like just dumb, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of UNI students, college students doing a prank that
Speaker 2: they thought would be funny. They're smart enough to know
Speaker 2: how to kind of hack into the system. The fact
Speaker 2: that it wasn't political, the fact that it involves, like
Speaker 2: you know, someone in a maid's outfit in spanking. It
Speaker 2: just sounds like kind of boys in their early twenties
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 1: It does, Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2: You said that like the kind of way they might
Speaker 2: have done it was something like SCIENTIFICI that they worked
Speaker 2: out how to do that. And you say, you and
Speaker 2: a group of UNI students who used a disused broadcasting
Speaker 2: at Latronia UNI that was then shut down because the
Speaker 2: whole UNI started doing science science. I think it was
Speaker 2: you and the people that started Sandspan's Radio, And I'm right, had.
Speaker 3: I wish I'm slightly too young for this will have happened,
Speaker 3: but I don't care. Ma.
Speaker 2: Math is not my strong point. It is giving absolute
Speaker 2: vibes of that exact thing a group of college.
Speaker 1: Students, and that's what we're talking about it now.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take my I'll take my accusations away from
Speaker 2: you and your friends directly, but it is the same thing.
Speaker 2: It is exactly what it feels like. A group of
Speaker 2: college students who have access to some kind of filming
Speaker 2: equipment and you know, or even a studio. They work
Speaker 2: out that they can break into broadcast and they just
Speaker 2: do a silly boy prank.
Speaker 1: And you're a big fan of the top yeah, huge,
Speaker 1: actually huge fan of room.
Speaker 3: I mean, now that you say it like that, like
Speaker 3: I mean I once did something like super I mean
Speaker 3: super annoying. It was like worst possible time for done
Speaker 3: this to the poor staff at Big W high Points.
Speaker 3: So it was twenty four hour treading. Me and my
Speaker 3: friends were just like because it was like you jack
Speaker 3: off here, I'll give you fifty bucks, and then.
Speaker 2: I paid him fifty.
Speaker 3: So it must have been like music streaming and Bluetooth
Speaker 3: just being like the general thing had happened, but it
Speaker 3: was still sort of new, and we went and we
Speaker 3: were just in Big w and for some reason. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so basically I don't even know why I checked, but
Speaker 3: I found I was like, oh, that's funny, there's a
Speaker 3: Bluetooth speakershi, just to like, can fantastic connect?
Speaker 2: Sure, let's go with connect to.
Speaker 3: And then I didn't even play like anything that bad.
Speaker 3: I just played run Away with Me by Kylie Ray Jebson.
Speaker 3: But that has like a really obnoxious and loud intro,
Speaker 3: which and obviously I had no way of t how
Speaker 3: loud their music system was going to be, and it
Speaker 3: just blost, my god, I'm been at like eleven thirty
Speaker 3: PM or like the twenty third of December, so no one.
Speaker 3: And then I remember there was like an older lady there.
Speaker 3: I say older now, but like yeah, realistically she probably
Speaker 3: maybe like forty.
Speaker 1: Five yea.
Speaker 4: Horrible, oh retire lady right.
Speaker 3: Now, maybe a little bit older, only because she turned
Speaker 3: around and saw me and my friends standing in the
Speaker 3: book section. No, that was the one thing because it
Speaker 3: was so loud. I think it was it shocked us
Speaker 3: enough a little bit for to be like not not
Speaker 3: like scared, because I knew it was going to happen.
Speaker 3: I just didn't expect to say loud, but I think
Speaker 3: enough that it like kind of reset us so that
Speaker 3: we were like we were just like whoa and like
Speaker 3: kind of looking and then she like turned around and
Speaker 3: looked as like can I help you? And we were
Speaker 3: like what's happening? And she was like what and what?
Speaker 3: We were like what and then she was like immediately
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, it's not them, like there is
Speaker 3: can I Well, they're confused like I am, and everything's loud.
Speaker 3: It's like thirty five Max.
Speaker 2: She couldn't hear it. She didn't.
Speaker 1: You can't go back into a big w unless the
Speaker 1: guy who's going to coach you throw it.
Speaker 3: But it was just like so funny because it was
Speaker 3: like so obnoxious and annoying of us to do, but
Speaker 3: it was just like something we definitely got away with
Speaker 3: it because like there was no way for them to
Speaker 3: be like, well, it's just bluetooth. And it was also
Speaker 3: like they didn't know how to turn it off. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I went to turn it off an accidentally, but like
Speaker 3: he was trying to do it subtly ended up restarting
Speaker 3: the song. So people like what is going on anyway,
Speaker 3: Practical jokes are never good. Always do things like this
Speaker 3: this victimless I was happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah great.
Speaker 2: This Max Headroom thing was definitely just dumb UNI students.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, because I think, like I like to think
Speaker 3: that now with the wonderful age of thirty five, that
Speaker 3: I would be grown up enough that if I had
Speaker 3: the capabilities of doing something like hacking into a live broadcast,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it. But if it was like if
Speaker 3: it was just presented to me.
Speaker 1: Getting spanked Max Hedroom, oh yeah with a cool.
Speaker 2: Vocals, putting his hand up to be the actor in again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if anyone wants to be made, please reach out.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on the podcast and telling us
Speaker 1: that he's so fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like, if you just search up the
Speaker 3: Max Headroom, you can see the raw footage and it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's deeply upsetting, but in like a nothing bad is
Speaker 3: actually happening.
Speaker 2: You can imagine home and you account.
Speaker 3: Leven has the vibe of watching like the Ring tape
Speaker 3: from the movie The Ring. You're gonna to get a
Speaker 3: phone call now and say that I'm nothing actually happened,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, like it's not one of those grizzly videos.
Speaker 3: There's nothing. It's not like someone gets hurt or it's
Speaker 3: like moments before horrible disaster. It's just like there's no violence.
Speaker 1: It just really odd.
Speaker 3: It's just a guy with a weird voice doing weird stuff.
Speaker 3: Weird stuff.
Speaker 2: Dumb boys, I'm telling you, the dumb boys.
Speaker 3: I think that's probably why the FBI ended up dropping
Speaker 3: the Yeah, I like, it's just fucking.
Speaker 1: It was cute dropped interesting.
Speaker 2: But Simpson and Millhouse when they got over pranking most
Speaker 2: tavern on the phone, they moved to Max Droom on
Speaker 2: the TV.
Speaker 1: Yeah, case sold.
Speaker 2: As we always say, at the end of the case,
Speaker 2: I think I.
Speaker 3: Might have actually solved this one. Sometimes the simplest answer
Speaker 3: is also the truest answer.
Speaker 1: Simons Razor, WHOA, I guess now, George, you have lots
Speaker 1: of stuff going on. You have a lot of podcasts.
Speaker 1: Can tell us that you can talk to the podcast?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So basically, yeah, I have four weekly podcasts, which
Speaker 3: is I would say three too.
Speaker 2: Many, but hey, as people sitting here that have two weekly, yeah,
Speaker 2: you got one.
Speaker 3: Too many, got three to So basically there's plumbing the
Speaker 3: Death Star, which is probably the one people might know
Speaker 3: me from We've Got thumb Cramps. Is you have like
Speaker 3: a very very insane video game podcast where the premise
Speaker 3: the premise is straightforward, but I think we've dug ourselves
Speaker 3: in such a whole of that one that it's like
Speaker 3: for new listeners, you're like, what is happening? He was
Speaker 3: here to listen to them talking about three games and
Speaker 3: they're yeah, Like, anyway, hey, if you want a podcast
Speaker 3: that will challenge you if you listen to it, thumb
Speaker 3: Crams big recommend. We also have a live show for
Speaker 3: that coming up in April in Sydney.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 3: It's the first time we've taken it into state. Technically,
Speaker 3: our first live show for that was in London, but
Speaker 3: it was like a secret show. It was a weird one. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: It's definitely the first time thumb Grams has gone to
Speaker 3: Sydney for a live show. Yeap So that is in April.
Speaker 3: If you just head to thumb cramspod on Instagram ticket link.
Speaker 3: Is there the other two podcasts that it was baseless
Speaker 3: Baseless speculation and how Good's Footy. Basic speculation is basically
Speaker 3: just like we take upcoming movies or like look at
Speaker 3: a trailer and something and then just try and basically
Speaker 3: speculate what we think is gonna happen. It's also like
Speaker 3: one of those podcasts where like if we see a
Speaker 3: movie together, we'll just be like, well, let's just do
Speaker 3: a review this week the new Avatar movie, Let's talk
Speaker 3: through It. And Hood's Footy is just a weekly AFL
Speaker 3: podcast that will start up just before Round one, which
Speaker 3: was only a time of recording a couple of weeks away.
Speaker 3: But I don't know when this is coming out.
Speaker 1: It's coming like a week or two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well, chances are the well, the football season
Speaker 3: starts first week of March, a big one, Plumbing the
Speaker 3: Dead Star and thumb Crams. If you like video games
Speaker 3: and if you like that podcast and you live in
Speaker 3: Sydney or for some reason you really like the podcast,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, I mean like, I think we're driving a
Speaker 3: to e vent up there, so just jump message me.
Speaker 3: Miss your dress will pick you up. Thank you up
Speaker 3: on the way.
Speaker 2: And if people would like to audition for the role
Speaker 2: of made in your Prank video your personal.
Speaker 3: Instagram, Yeah, sir, you can find me on Instagram at
Speaker 3: Douche thirteen d us C H one three. I have
Speaker 3: a stupid last name, so I thought I just lean
Speaker 3: into it. Yeah, so Instagram is the best place to
Speaker 3: find me individually. Yeah, all my shows are also through
Speaker 3: like a that uh link tree on my Instagram. It's
Speaker 3: all there. Just to look it up, give me a
Speaker 3: follo of scroll down, just like a few photos at
Speaker 3: random at will. Whatever you want, Yeah, jump in the comments,
Speaker 3: if you jump in the company, just say whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Say whatever you want. I guess, yeah, go not's have.
Speaker 3: Fun with it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, where all are you to have fun
Speaker 2: of that? Thank you so much for bringing that story today.
Speaker 2: I feel very satiated by the fact that I solved
Speaker 2: crime and you stopped me thinking about Mike Whitney being
Speaker 2: the reason for Donald Trump being president for a while
Speaker 2: there I have just remembered. But that's all right because.
Speaker 3: I have been done that path before, and unfortunately there's
Speaker 3: no like oh Mike Whitney, I mean, like he didn't
Speaker 3: do it on allegedly. Thank you, Hey, no worries. Thanks
Speaker 3: so much for having me