WEBVTT - BONUS: Max Headroom TV Hijacking with Joel Duscher 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:08.840 Hey there, everybody, Welcome to not another crime podcast. I'm 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.360 Georgia La, I'm Sammy Peterson. 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:11.080 I'm a journalist. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.160 I am not going to tell you what we are job. 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:16.280 That didn't make any sense. We are joined today. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.119 What we are joined by, I'll tell you what. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.720 And we are joined by today someone I'm a huge 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.680 fan of, one of the great podcasters of our goddamn time, 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:25.800 the great Joe. Welcome. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:27.880 Thanks so much for having me. And that's probably the 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:29.600 nicest introduction I've ever had. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:35.440 Oh wow, what do people? Usually says this guy, he'd 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.120 start by saying, what we're joined by. 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.640 Those close into a normal introduction lot, we're joined by it. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.319 But so we've had two other people you're very close with, 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.120 colleagues with the great Jackson Bailey and Joel Zammett. And 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.600 I haven't told you this, but you were when I 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.640 first did your wonderful, wonderful podcast Belloing the Death Star. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.240 You weren't there that time, and I asked both of 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.040 them to come on, and then I think there might 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:03.440 have been a thing where it was like, I'm not 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.480 gonna ask. Remember, you're in a supermarket when k you 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:08.080 what was this? 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.920 Well, yeah, so I was in I honestly can't remember 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:16.400 which chain it was, but Sun not Spun. You hate 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:21.600 a supermarkets, but if any supermarkets want to reach out, 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.280 I'm pretty played more than happy to. Yeah. So it 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.880 was like shopping and uh it was the week after 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:30.800 I can't remember. It was Jackson, Joel one of them 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.880 Movi being on the show, and then over the radio 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.560 in the supermarket was an advertisement for Not Another Crime Podcast. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.759 I was like, I was like, first of all, didn't 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.039 no podcast got advertised in SuperM No, that's. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.040 Awesome for a big deal, A big deal. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:47.680 Yeah, I thought that, Like, it must have been like 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.840 a because I was surprised because it was a reading 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.040 done by neither of you, which is also kind of. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:54.840 Oh that's interesting. Who was it done? 0:01:55.680 --> 0:02:00.720 No, it wasn't a voice I recognized, I got my voice. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.200 It was kind of Jackie some awful. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:05.600 Yeah. He was saying, if you want to podcast the 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.080 alliance perfect with my beliefs, why not check out Not 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:10.200 Another Crime Podcast? 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.400 As I said, this is a nonspown podcast. Anyway, if 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.160 anyone is willing to give us a shout out, will 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:15.560 take Oh. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:16.880 But we're happy to be in super much. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.640 Yeah. It was like again like I was like, I 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.440 didn't know this could even happen, but it did also 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.440 feel spiteful. So thank you so much for following up. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.040 Welcome Sammy. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.359 This has worked perfectly. He doesn't realize we were following 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:29.480 him around with the speaker. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:34.160 That's right, torturing in supermarket. It's actually huge for us. Yeah, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.080 but you are, I mean you've been podcasting for a 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.959 long time, so you're one of the og podcasters in Australia. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.000 Yeah, we will thank you, actually, thank you, thank you. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:49.200 I'm so sorry for what we've done to the industry. Yeah, 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.880 so I started podcasting. I think our first episodes came 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.840 out in twenty twelve. Yes, yeah, but we started. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:58.799 Did you start with plumbing the dead stuff? 0:02:58.840 --> 0:02:59.000 No? 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:03.280 We actually we started the podcast network. So it was 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.160 originally started at Literary University, which is the opposite of 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.880 sponsor content because they kicked us out in the end 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.240 and then knocked down the studio we used to record it, 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.240 only to then rebuild a studio. It was crazy, felt 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.000 how lost five. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:17.840 Redundancy package. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.600 They just did. They disliked you so vehemently that they 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.519 wanted to burn all well. 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.959 They had like a very awkward situation I think where 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.000 they like, I mean, this is all just speculation, but 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:41.400 basically fine alleged So allegedly, no, they podcasting like really 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.680 took off. But in the spot where it took off 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:46.600 was the time where they were like, hey, guys, you 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.839 can't use this anymore. You're not anymore. Get out. 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:50.480 Wow. 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.600 And then like within six months they were running like 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.960 this huge story about like how podcasting is a new 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.320 way of new media and also like there's actually like 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.600 brand new podcasts coming out of Latrobe University and didn't 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.120 mention us, but then we looked up the ones they 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.080 mentioned and we were like, oh, we're like five times 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:10.680 the best size, Like. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:16.400 So yeah, Glarin is not your car, Yeah, it's only 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.400 for Shure. So you're saying in twenty twelve podcast started 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:21.200 becoming a big thing. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.960 Yeah, so we were really lucky. Where So me and 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.440 Jackson were students at Latrobe. Joel Zammett was a tutor, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:30.440 which sounds like. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:36.320 A torrid affair, but it was actually it was crazy. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:36.920 The affair. 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:38.680 It was crazy, and. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.520 That's today's story. Thank you for the introduction. 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.040 Yeah, te Yeah, the crime. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.440 Silence, I love an exclosive. 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.479 That's what we gave you a beer because. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.400 No. So Jackson and I started university after taking a 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.600 gap year, so we were a year older, and Latrobe 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.920 had also for some reason given Joel a job when 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.800 he was like doing honors rather than the masters, which 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.080 is apparently usually a no. 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:04.200 No again, A great. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.160 University twelve sounds confused. 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.320 Well, it was in a period of time where they 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.960 were transitioning from like, hey, well like the arts university 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.600 to like, hey, science actually gets us a lot more money. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.040 Yeah, let's get more international studios. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.960 Yeah. Well they built like my first year at the Litrope, 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.360 they built a brain new science building and I was like, oh, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:24.680 this does about run. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:26.919 Yeah, the phone is talking in your pocket? 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:29.080 WHOA check it out? 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:29.640 Check it out? 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.479 Well that's a bit cool, it said international students, and 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:36.479 then said check it out in production that I gave 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.159 you check it out? Sorry. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.919 So yeah, basically, yeah, so they were getting rid of 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.080 the arts program slowly, and like a couple of years 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.560 before I started there, there used to be like a 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.239 basically like a college radio station or uniradio station. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:53.760 Yeah. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:58.120 So there was a audio studio there that was on 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.760 par with what ABC were broad asking out of no 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.200 one had used it in years. So Joel who was 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.320 doing an honors on I can't remember. I think it 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.360 was on Yeah, No, I think he was doing his 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.040 honors on. Like it was either like new podcasting and 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.880 the relationships formed, so it was like. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.360 Wow, like social relationships and yeah. 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.720 Jumping into parasopic relationships, or it was just about parasocial 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.560 relationships and podcasting was. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.240 Like a new team that was like interesting, and he. 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.119 Was like, hey, let's restart the radio station. But instead 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.080 of it being like a live broadcast, because that's god, 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.880 what a lot of work. What if we do this 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.960 new thing podcast which is basically recorded an hour of 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.560 radio and then it could just be listened to whatever 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.440 you like. That's okay. And then the first wave there 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.680 was like six or seven shows started at once. Yeah. Yeah, 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.400 so it wasn't just us, there was like it was 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.119 like a unique group. So there was maybe like twenty 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:55.040 twenty five students and then uh Jackie most of yeah 0:06:55.200 --> 0:07:01.200 Kylin Jackie Mission, Indy, Hey hey it's Saturday. But podcast. Yeah, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:02.479 he was saying it was. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.440 Huge, and it can because you can't see his face. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:10.440 Yeah. Yeah, So we started all of that and then 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.320 maybe like a month or two in when most of 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.440 those podcasts have released anywhere between one and four episodes. 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.120 We had a meeting and Joel was like, Hey, this 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.560 is going really well. All these shows good stuff. We 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.640 have already hit our bandwidth limit with SoundCloud at the time, 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.120 so we're just to continue this. We just need twenty dollars. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.800 And that resulted in ninety percent of the people quitting. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.320 Oh my god, that that is the most unique student 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:36.760 the story I've ever heard. 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.120 We're going to get twenty dollars. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:43.720 Yeah. So then we so one of the shows the like, So, 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.600 the first show on our network that pretty much powered 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.640 through all of that was me Jackson and another person 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.160 that's still involved with the podcast but doesn't have a 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:52.920 weekly podcast at the moment, Zoe Blotto. 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.320 It's great, Yeah, so funny. 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.320 So US three had a podcast called shut Up a Second. 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.040 That show is also now still going, but we've changed hosts. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.800 Like yeah, I've yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:07.560 I haven't been asked on it, but I have heard 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:08.680 it in the market. 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.840 Yeah, so which he listens to everything. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.760 So that was the first show that was originally hosted 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.520 by Me Jackson Zoey, and then from there, one of 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.840 the other shows that we canceled was called an Hour 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.360 of Your Life you won't get back right now where 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.000 we were basically, and this was like real deep. You 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.880 gotta remember it's twenty eleven or twenty twelve this point. Well, 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.560 just like getting into like watching movies and being like, 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:36.960 well we're going to talk so deep about it and 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.840 like get lost in the universe. And then we did. 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:40.920 What Green for. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:52.439 Someone studying there on it again it was way more like. 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.120 Like still funny, but like we were like, let's try 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.240 and get some answers or whatever. 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.440 Again they're a UNI student taking yourself a bit too seriously. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.679 But then we did without twenty two episodes at the 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.240 end of that run that will wiste stupid and that 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.040 we talk, we're like, okay, hang on. There was also 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.080 like six hosts of that show. Oh wow, so that 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.360 got cut down to three, and then that became plumbing 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.160 the death style, so like instead of just being like 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.520 Shrek would be like the topic would be why Shrek Green? Yeah? 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Which you saw that from me? 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:23.120 Which is it? 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.280 Which is a great I think it's just such a 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.760 fun idea for a podcast because you always say you're 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.600 not a Star Wars podcast. But the questions are amazing. So, 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.760 like I went on recently and talked about like does 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:39.440 miss Petty actually love Kermit? Just yeah, and I just 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.960 Stuart Little always comes out yeah chat yeah. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.400 Yeah. Because we've been doing it for so long, there 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.079 is definitely episode like if you go back and listen 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.240 to the first episodes, which I would not recommend anyone 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.480 doing if it was up to me, episode two hundred 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:55.760 would probably be our first episode. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.560 When you know that when you tell someone not to 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.120 do something, they're going to do it even harder. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.720 Yeah, yeah, so we got to remember that also, like 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.680 twenty eleven, twenty twelve, that was a long time ago. 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:12.280 Now people spoke differently. Yeah, so yeah, So at first 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.199 it started like us, I guess, like trying to satisfy 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.040 the question in the topic, but then it just like 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:19.839 now it's like. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:21.000 Chat shit. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.600 Answer yes always, that's so funny. But by the way, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.120 I had to say, when you look down at my 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.040 stomach before I thought my stomach was rumbling for ages, 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:33.600 I thought you were going to call me out on 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.240 your stomach grumbling Your pocket was too. But I think 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:41.600 I probably started podcasting in like maybe twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, this. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.840 Is wild to me. I am The first time I 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.040 heard the word podcast would have been about twenty fifteen. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.240 Yeah, which it was. It was kind of very I 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.800 was with Stupid Old Studios they were called at the time, 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.000 and me and Greg Fleet had a podcast together and 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.120 it was very much. It felt like, you know, like 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.160 pirate radio or something. Was so weird because we didn't 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.360 really know what it was. You were asking on guests 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:03.760 that would come on and go, where can I listen 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.319 to this? Like the thing just so strange. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.600 Yeah, well, I mean, like even we've been around for 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.400 long enough that I remember when I was still hosting 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.400 Shut Up a Second, where Dave Warnekey as a guest 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.360 and he was like, yeah, I've just come from starting 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.640 my own podcast, do go on? 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:22.559 Yeah yeah, well look okay, I hear you showing off 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.680 and bragging about being like the first of the game. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.120 We might have only started in twenty twenty five, but 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:27.920 we're in Wilworth. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.240 So yeah. Let me tell you, if any supermarket ever 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.000 advertised any one of our shows, it would get shut 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:34.920 down a medium. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.960 It's so funny because it's, yeah, like podcasters, so the 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.280 market is so oversaturated, and I always talk about that 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:44.920 and go, you know, so would be so hard to 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.280 start on you and why I people bothering. Everyone's got 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.400 their ones that we listened to, and then in twenty 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.840 twenty five, so I mean I were like that, yeah. 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.320 Yeah, yeah, it's all crime one next time. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.880 Also, I will say that, like you can, there's ebbs 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.640 and flows with podcasts because like ones that people go to, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.440 they're always ending, Like I feel like that every now 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.640 they're like there'll be like a couple of months window 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.679 where I'm like, oh, like four podcasts where I've just 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:07.200 all ended. 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.320 I know, I know what happened there. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.839 Hey, you've got a time it right. I guess there 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:16.560 is still but. 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:21.200 Listeners like us that's good, like subscribe, write in review 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:22.280 and tell your friend. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.160 Well, what's your relationship like with true crime? 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:24.360 You? 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:25.600 Are you a true crime person? 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:32.240 I a criminal? He's asking have I committed crimes? Yeah? 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:39.080 But only cool chill ones. Yeah, so I never You're 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.440 not going to believe this, but I've definitely dated people 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.640 who have been obsessed with true crime point yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.920 So I've listened to a lot of the earlier ones 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.120 through osmosis or just them playing all I was. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:52.680 Around in the supermarket. 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:57.559 Yeah, but I will say that I was like, I've 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.520 definitely I go through phases where I'll watch a lot 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.800 of it on you Tube. Yeah, where I've got like 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.160 a few like content creators where I'm like, Okay, well 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.400 let's see what this horrible thing happened. Yeah, cool, that 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:08.199 was interesting. 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:10.000 It's really horrible. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:15.960 Yeah. But one thing that I think ties more into 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.320 true crime, but it's still like mystery solving. Yeah, so 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.800 rather than like grizzly murders and stuff like that, or 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.200 like you know, tales of survival and stuff like that, 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.960 which I do find interesting. Yeah, but like things like 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:34.120 lost media and like real people just like going absolutely 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.600 insane to just find like a missing episode of TV. 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.000 Like yeah, yeah, it was like really. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.760 Drives people crazy. And I love that. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.280 I loved is great and I know that you're a 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.880 big fan of Who Dares Wins. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:54.160 Yeah, So during lockdown I remembered it existed and then 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.760 found out that on YouTube there was I think it 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.040 was the first episode, oh no, sorry, the last the 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.120 last ever episode of Few Days Wins, and then like 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.240 a compilation VHS tape that had been uploaded, and then 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:06.960 I think there was one other random episode, and I 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.160 was like, where's the other hundred? And then I was like, 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:11.800 I'll just go looking, and then I was like I 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.000 can't find them anywhere, and then yeah, I became a 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.920 little unwell about it for a bit. I did manage 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.240 to uncover like two or three more episodes, but I 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.160 got to the point where I was posting in the 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:28.000 lost media subreddit like being like, hey, here's what I've done. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.240 But it got to the point where the next step 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.400 was to pretty much hit up producers of the show 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:38.040 through LinkedIn and be like, hey, what's the deal with this? 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.320 Either that or try and get in contact with Mike 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.840 whitt Whitney, which probably Whitney. 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.120 I think, yeah, it got. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.720 It got, But because it got it was going to 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.400 have to be through LinkedIn and my LinkedIn because of 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:59.040 the podcasting, uh not super detail, not detailed enough that 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:00.760 if someone got a d from me that they would 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.760 take it seriously. So I kind of was like, I'll 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.880 get back to that. I'll have to either really set 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:12.160 it up and be like, well, I guess I'm doxing myself. Yeah, fine, 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.480 like team up with someone that isn't like a public 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.520 facing person. But yeah, I just never got to it. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.800 I have so many like unread dms on Reddit of 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.360 people be like we are you white with the search, 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:25.560 so like it got some traction. But yeah, like I 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.640 love stuff like that, or like when just like weird 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.360 stuff happens, not necessarily like wha, we saw a UFO whatever, 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.040 but like and we'll get to it with the like 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:36.000 a weird case. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.360 Yeah yeah, well it's really fascinating though, that what people 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.400 get fascinated. But I think who is such a funny 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.960 one because the tapes would be somewhere, but also they're 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.240 not probably at a TV station anymore because it was 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:50.640 a show that existed so long ago. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.840 Yeah, well here's a crazy thing without Who Does Wins? 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:53.840 Trump's not the president? 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:55.720 What? 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.440 Yeah? So Who Does Wins? Is a dare television show 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:00.760 and it was one of the best of its kind. 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:04.640 In fact, it was so popular but weird popular that 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.560 it spawned. There was like an Indian version and there 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.640 was an American version. The American version is called Fear Factor, 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.440 which was hosted by Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan doesn't do 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.200 Fear Factor. He never starts a Joe Rogan experience, which 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.920 means that that whole manner sphere movement doesn't happen, which 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.400 means that Trump probably doesn't win the prem like doesn't 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:22.920 win the election. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.880 I'm furious that it's all Mike Whitney. 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.400 And I mean you could go further back. If Mike 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.200 Whitney didn't survive that one over in the Ashes, then 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.200 he wouldn't have been a guy. So then it none 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:32.720 of would have been. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.600 Yeah, it was so funny when I think about that show, 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.120 all the thing I always remember. I think I've already 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.320 brought it up on the podcast. Yeah, is a couple 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.240 in It was always in a shopping center. It was 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.440 a couple in a shopping center and actually playing Mike Whitney. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.600 Mike Whitney held a fifty dollars note pine that problems 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.800 the minutes right and and goes if you get undressed 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.360 and hop in that slipping bag, I'll give you a 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.200 fifty bucks or always fifty bucks. And people would just 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.080 do it, and then he'd pretend to run off with 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.439 their clothes and be hilarious. And so we always had 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.160 these things planned and it would always be running off 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.840 with something that belonged to them. Yeah, there was of 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.800 ever giving anything back. There was Mike Quitney made a 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:14.760 lot of money. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.919 There was like one that was like I think it 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.159 was in the compilation, but there was one where it 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.040 was just like a guy where he was just like 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.840 if you undressed down to your jocks and then we're 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.000 gonna body paint you, and then you just go shopping 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:28.760 and body paint. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.600 It was a supermarket again, it was a shopping stea. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:33.960 It kind of had like high point vibes. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.920 That was always undressing people for fifty dollars on TV. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.119 Well, I mean he would occasionally it would also just 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.280 be like there was another one where it was like, 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:46.200 for two hundred dollars, you jump to the level three 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.719 of the like, so we again thinks like, yeah, like 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:55.000 high point vibes, I think that's probably and landing like 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.280 a big inflatable mat. So they were just like teaching 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.840 this like teenage girl. So it felt very much like 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.640 I don't think you're old enough that you can consent. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:08.120 To do, which broke in my brain because for two reasons. One, 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.040 I'm now also going to become obsessed with finding these 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.360 because I need to believe that this is all actually true. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:20.040 And also that Donald Trump link, You've you've broken something 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:21.120 in there I don't think I. 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.639 Can ever, because like I I kind of like had 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.520 a thought. I was like, I wonder if like this 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.800 is again during the Who Does Win's madness, I was like, Ah, 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.560 I wonder if Who Does Wins was like influenced by 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.040 Fear Factor. But I was like, in my head, Who 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.440 Does Wings is so nineties and fear Factor yeah, yeah, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.679 and that is that is true and fear Factor is 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.720 like who Does Wins? Also is like that that that 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.359 first type of that show, not the first to do it, 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.439 but like to the point where fear Factor is like 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.600 has said that they were inspired by the success of 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:49.840 Whodaes Wins. 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.960 That feel quite shaken. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:54.680 Well, this has blown your mind more than when the 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.280 Great Jackson Bailey came on and said I won day. 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.320 I wished that I had curly hair. 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.400 And then he just had nothing will blow my mind 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:01.840 more than that. 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:02.840 He wouldn't explain it. 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.200 I might have there's a photo of him when he's 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.880 like seventeen and he has like shoulder length blonde, dead 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:11.760 straight hair. No. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.920 Wow, it's it's wild to me that that exists or 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.560 something that he said, Yeah, I just wish for it. 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:21.080 One day it can happen. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:25.600 I well, brain's broken. I'm gonna have to sit the 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:27.400 rest of this episode out. I need a minute. 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.480 I need to touch some grass or something. 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.080 Yeah. I'm so sorry that I've come to you with 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.119 such forbidden knowledge, but you do have it. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:35.880 You do have a story for us today. 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:36.880 It's very exciting. 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.640 Is it a weird It's. 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:44.720 A weird unsolved mystery that like there was no real victims. 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.240 I guess it was more just like a weird thing 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.719 that happened and the FBI got involved and no one 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.200 could figure out what had happened or why it happened, 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:53.960 and then everyone just had to move on. 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.080 Oh my god, feels a bit like burn after reading. 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:01.920 Yeah, so it's the Max head Room TV hijacking. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:03.720 Okay, I love it already. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.000 I don't know that already. 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:09.480 So basically to give you just a quick overview of 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.919 what happens, or at least like what people in Chicago 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.280 saw on TV so on the twenty second of November 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.919 in nineteen eighty seven, with TV stations in Chicago just 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.000 after nine pm and the nine PM news, all of 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.480 a sudden, TV during a sports report, the TV cuts 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.760 to black, bit of static and then Max head a 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.560 person dressed as Max Headroom and then after a moment, 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:38.000 Max Headroom comes onto the screen Max Headroom if people 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.679 don't know, which is fair enough. He was like a 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:46.119 video DJ on MTV. I'm pretty sure, in like the 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:52.159 late fake name yeah Max, like Maximum. Yeah. So it 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:55.680 was like a weird situation where he was a real 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.359 like it was a man in makeup in the actual 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:00.840 MTV version, a man in my up but had like 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.760 early CGI effects behind him to make it look like 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.240 kind of like a sci fi movie, just like introducing 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.000 the videos and stuff like that and hosting a show. 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:10.840 It was meant to be like whoa, it's the late eighties, 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:16.040 it's the future. Actually yeah, and they also I mean 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.399 Max Headroom, which is unrelated to this mystery, but they 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.560 also decided to launch that show in the craziest way 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.320 possible where they made it like a direct to TV 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:29.199 movie that was like a cyberpunk like origin story and 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.480 like explains why he got the name Max Headroom and 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.600 how he ended up in a computer and becoming like 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:34.440 a fake guy. 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:36.960 I don't say Max Headroom is a great drag name. 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.120 Yeah, it really is. Well, I mean yeah, I'll show 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:41.520 you a photo of him because he I mean, like, 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.280 if you're naming yourself Max Headroom as a drag like 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.479 Whilest doing drag, you might as well just steal his 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:54.000 entire Look, it's amazing. It's like slicked blat. Yes, that 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:55.320 is not what I expected. 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.320 He looks like a cartoon carricter, like Johnny Brovo. Y. 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:04.720 Yeah, oh that's fascinating. Okay, so there was a lot 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.520 going on with Max Headroom. He actually had Maximum made room. 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:09.120 Yeah, so that's like an actual. 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.399 Okay, kind of looks a little bit like the mask 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:12.320 a little bit as well. 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:18.240 Yeah yeah, blonde blonde mask bit Chohnny Bravo. Anyway, so 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:22.520 fictional character they made a TV movie. The characters British 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:24.359 or the TV movie was it was just all like 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.480 all over his name, Max Headroom because he was a 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:29.800 journalist and he was being chased by like a mob 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:33.000 or something and he explain it. He drove into a 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.560 car park where the Max Headroom was two point three 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.280 meters and that was the last thing he saw before 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.560 he got knocked into a coma. Yeah, and then they 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.800 uploaded his consciousness into a computer. It's a very complicated 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:44.800 you gotta remember. This is pretty much the equivalent of like, 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.880 what if they just introduced a new guy for video hits? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:49.119 and then they're like, what if we gave him the 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:50.960 most complicated backstory? 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:54.240 I love the backstory of films. That's like what didn't 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.200 need to be that? It was also remember private Parts 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:01.879 the film Oh yeah yeah, yeah about Howard Stern. Yeah, 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.919 and it's like Howard Stern as Howard Stern, So he 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:08.560 plays himself in kind of an auto biographical story about 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.520 his life. It's weird because he plays himself and I 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.480 imagine Max Headroom would have played himself in that wonderful film. 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.240 Yes, so yeah, there's an actor that plays Max Headroom, 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:22.920 but like Max Headroom the video DJ yeah the man insane. Anyway, 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:27.639 So the hacking, so Dan Rohan is doing the sports 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.760 report cuts the black Max Headroom appears, but it's not 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:33.840 the Max Headroom. It's someone dressed as Max Headroom, and 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:37.040 instead of having the CGI graphics behind them, they had 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.359 just having a corrugated iron roof and someone is clearly 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:41.080 spooning it to make it look like that. 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:44.040 It's oh my god god. 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:48.840 Then so static during it, no voices or anything, just 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:51.960 that image just well it's video yeah, so it kind 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.120 of looks like a guy's trapped in a TV I guess, 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.359 but it's like low fire and weird, and it's interrupted 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:57.919 the news and like people were. 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:00.880 Like, what nineteen eighty seven, Yeah. 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:05.080 Twenty second of November nineteen eighty seven. Wow the heck anyway. 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:09.760 Then two hours later, on a different show, different channel, 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:13.679 but still Chicago, at quarter past eleven, there is an 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:17.000 episode of Doctor Who airing the Horror of fang Rock, 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:22.720 a fourth Doctor Adventure just in case the same thing happens, 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.880 cuts the black for a second. Static max Edrom comes back, 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:29.520 this time for over ninety seconds, and this time, Oh, 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:33.919 he speaks, yes, give it to me. So I don't 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:38.320 have the exact dialogue because he's using like a pretty 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:41.880 much like a vocoder, So it kind of sounds weirdly 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:46.359 even though they interrupted max Headroom. M well, yeah, because 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:48.520 they interrupted Doctor Who. He kind of sounds like for 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:50.719 anyone who has watched Doctor Who or is like familiar, 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:53.200 he sounds kind of like a Dalek. It's like really 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:59.200 like synthesized, but he's saying insane stuff right, like kind 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:03.480 of nonsense. At the time, the fictional character Max Edroom 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.000 was being used to advertise new coke. So the guy 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.800 picked up a can of pepsi and goes like oh 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:13.400 and throws it and then says the new Coke catchphrase. 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:17.080 Then at one point he starts singing like a nineteen 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:22.040 sixties intro cartoon theme song, like humming It, but with 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:26.159 this horrible vocode of stuff. And then he makes reference 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:29.200 to that and then he goes, ah, they've got my files. 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:33.640 No one noticed what that was in response to yeah, 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:34.960 well now if it happened. 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:38.720 Today, talking about it hedroom on the island. 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:43.400 And then he he calls like, he's like, I've given 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:48.240 you a new mystery, you nerds, and then it cuts 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:52.920 to a slightly different angle where he says, oh no, sorry. 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:54.760 Then he says, oh no, they're coming to get me. 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:57.200 Then it cuts to a different angle where he's bent 0:25:57.280 --> 0:26:00.200 over with his pants pulled down hilarious. And there is 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:04.560 another person dresses a maid, wearing a hat that covers 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:08.879 her face. People assume feminine just because of like body shape. 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:13.560 You'd never get any confirmation. He goes, oh, no, don't 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.359 do it, and then she starts spanking with a fly swatter, 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:20.520 and then she says she says something she calls him. 0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:23.840 She says like something something bitch also vocated yep ye, 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.159 and then he goes He just makes like a weird 0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:30.640 groaning noise like ah, but like real synthesize cuts back 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:37.680 to the doctor who. No one knows what the fuck happens. 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.840 Seconds that's quite a long long time. 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:43.600 So when it happened during the news, they could see 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:45.919 what was happening Bolster, they were broadcasting, So when it 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:47.760 comes back to the news reporter, he was like, you're 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:52.240 probably wondering what just happened too, yell. But like with 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:55.080 the doctor who thing, it was just people were just like, 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.360 what is gone when that happened. 0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.119 Because there'd been no one in the studios or anything 0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:02.680 that would have just been automated to play eleven adopt. 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:09.639 Yeah, at the time, hacking was rare, and also that's quite. 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.040 An operation as well to have that many things going on. 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:15.680 So it had happened before. Okay, So the first time 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:19.480 it was known to have happened was actually in Southern England. Uh, 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:22.840 it was exactly, not exactly but almost to the day, 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:24.320 ten years earlier. 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:26.720 Ten years earlier, in nineteen seventy. 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.320 Seven, is the first case that we're aware of and 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.040 basically in Southern England, one of the TV show TV 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.320 Networks was hacked. There was a four and a half 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:37.600 minute voiceover so the image didn't change. Oh, there was 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.000 just sound to put over what was going on, and 0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:44.520 it said look very funny and also drove people crazy. 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:48.080 They were like, hey, we're really in We're from an 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:52.159 alien race where an alien ambassador trying to speak to people. 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:57.960 We're about to enter a new age of Aquarius. And 0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.879 then it just stopped and everyone was like, what the fuck. 0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:03.560 The people well, it's a hoax and they were like 0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:05.879 people are like, yeah, I bet you'd say it's a hoax. 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:09.399 And the yeah, so there's people going you'd say it 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:09.840 was a hoax. 0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:14.080 Would yeah. Actually, the first time it happened in America 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:19.119 was actually like it was like eighteen months before, so 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:24.200 April nineteen eighty six. And that is another famous case 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:28.119 because it was to protest HBO. Wow, this cable was 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:31.399 cutting into satellite dish sales or something. So a guy 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:37.520 who worked for like satellite dish sales caught himself Captain 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:42.560 Midnight and he basically the same thing, same thing. He 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.040 hacks into HBO and he's like he says something like 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.840 Cable twelve ninety nine a month or something. This is 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:50.880 Captain mid No and I think that's ridiculous. 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:51.680 Oh my god. 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:56.160 Anyway, they find him because he's caught within the week 0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:58.560 bragging about doing it at work. 0:28:58.600 --> 0:28:59.280 I'm amazing. 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:02.920 Feel like there'd be so few people who would want 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:04.640 to do that, like they would have the message that 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:08.200 they want to get across it spific and also to 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.440 have the skills to be able to do that. I 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.000 would think in eighty six fewer people. 0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:13.920 Yeah. 0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:17.000 So the Southern England one, the culprits were never found, 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.840 but they were like, weird this one they find him. 0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.400 Max Headroom happens, and that one's stranger because there's images, 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:26.280 like the images and the fact that it was so 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.520 there was no There was another one. I don't actually 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:31.560 have the information about it, but basically the Playboy channel 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:38.000 was also hacked. Again just audio, Yeah, come on, nothing sacred. 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.960 This was also This is also around the same time 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:44.120 in the eighties and look, this is going to be 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:47.120 no shock, but someone hacked to play like Bible verses 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:52.360 and be like wow, yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So the 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:55.400 reason that Max Headroom one is so significant at the 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.760 time is one it wasn't just audio, it was visuals. 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:02.360 To know, never owned up to it. No one really 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:05.040 knows why they did it. There was no clear message 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.200 there was like it was just strange and like this 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.920 footage you can just it is on YouTube because because 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.080 they I guess I don't know if this would have 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.960 been part of the plan, but because it was doctor who, 0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:21.040 that was obviously something that like people would take. Yeah, 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:23.040 and also I guess the news like that. 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.480 Would keep records of that if you watch it later. 0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:33.080 And uh, and also like you can find both but 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:36.520 if you had lost the news interruption because there's no 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.040 words said, but the one where he talks is so unsettling. 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:44.760 It's just especially because it's like eighties TV, so it's 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:47.360 like a little bit staticky. You're watching it on like 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:49.760 a When you watch it, it literally feels like you're like 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:51.520 your TV is could like trying to tell you a 0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:53.480 message and coming to get sort of. 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.400 Does he look enough like Max Headrowe? Yeah, look like 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:57.160 he really does. 0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:00.720 Like it's he it was someone as. 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.320 It's obvious it's someone just but at the same time, 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.440 it's not like really bad. It's not like it's just 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:07.400 someone wearing a wig. 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:11.520 They're wearing a full wow, which like I look at 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.680 and go, well, there's so many people involved in that, 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:17.200 Like there's someone filming, there's you know, other people involved, 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.240 there's a makeup person there, there's so many different people. 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.760 Whoever understands the broadcast technology to be able to. 0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.440 So the FBI And another thing that was really interesting 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:30.040 is the FBI had just passed the law opping not 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:36.760 doing that, the upping the penalty, because like the Captain 0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.440 Midnight thing had happened, and they'd been like, oh god, 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.880 it's like it's not really hard to do, so people 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:46.040 will do it. He got one year of probation and 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.240 a five thousand dollar fine. It got up to one 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.440 hundred thousand dollar fine five years. 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:52.440 Wow. 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:55.840 But it wasn't directly like it's not like it was 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:59.120 like earlier that week check timeline, but it was like 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.440 recent enough that people like maybe it was just like 0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:05.040 a funny like sticking it to the man flex like 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:05.560 you never do. 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.360 Yeah. I think it is so interesting to me as 0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:11.400 someone who would like I'm not saying that I would 0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.320 do this, but if someone did that, the fact that 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:18.720 they never told anyone is such a huge flex. Like 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:23.320 I think to leave that mystery unsolved is just wild 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.120 to me that that would exist as a concept. 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:27.000 You think people are doing it to be able to 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.640 brag about it and like the other guy did. 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:30.560 Like a political point. 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.480 Well yeah, exactly, it's just like but it is like 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.160 late eighties, so people like it's just like counterculture. I 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.960 guess it's like people could settle on leather, like like 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.120 they didn't care about being known for doing this. They 0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:43.320 prove that they could. 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.800 Was it Crystal Lily? It could have been Crystal because 0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.680 he's hilarious. He does larious. That guys hilarious. 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:55.160 I've got like I can show you. And also I 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:58.120 think it's probably you'll get a taste of how crazy 0:32:58.120 --> 0:32:58.760 the audience. 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:01.720 Yeah, need to kind of put this on their Instagram 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:05.680 as wow, oh that's way scarier than I thought it 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:06.120 was going to be. 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:15.360 Yeah, oh my god. 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:20.120 It looks a bit like the puppet in saus Yeah. 0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:26.080 Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, it's actually Billy the puppet. 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:32.600 Actually it's the name of the Poppeteah's Cramer. 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:46.800 Actually, Oh my god, oh my god. 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:50.080 Yeah. So you're just watching TV and then that happens 0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:50.600 and you're. 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.760 Like Jesus Christ's terrifying and then also. 0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.800 Especially because like even like it's in that upload as well, 0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.240 but like the bent over and the spanking thing, it's 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:02.320 sort of side and so even though you know it's rude, 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:06.400 you're not really seeing anything. You're getting like it's not 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.600 like you get full ars or anything like that. So 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.280 it's also another thing where it's like. 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:12.560 If you're not even going to give full ass the point. 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:15.719 But then also at the same time, like that would 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.120 be so scary for like the TV networks to be like, oh, 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:22.920 he could have gone like full dick out exactly. 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.520 That would never happen on TV. 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:30.120 So what do you think the theories are a huge. 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.680 They at the time, they sort of were like okay, 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.840 because the two networks were like local to Chicago, so 0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.560 they're like, well, here's the two broadcast towers. If they 0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.000 managed to get into a high rise, it's in these 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.080 couple of areas and had this type of equipment, they 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:46.439 might have been able to do that. 0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.480 But so they don't even really know how someone did it. 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:53.560 They're not like, it's not it's not like that. They 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.839 then found it's not like that. I don't know. They 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:57.960 were investigating and they kicked open a door and there 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:00.560 was an empty car, get an eye and the mask. 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:01.640 Well they knew. 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.759 There was like a satellite that could easily be interfered with. 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:06.800 They're just like, we think we know what happened. 0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:10.840 That's someone more concerning. You would think that people who 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:16.759 are broadcasting TV know how someone could do that. I 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.439 feel like it's different to you know, these days, being 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.120 able to hack into like a banking online system or something. 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.640 There's so many security measures and stuff in place for that. 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:26.600 One of these naive to say, But I would think 0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:31.040 in the eighties broadcasting television is a much more specific 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.719 thing that like, well, the technology. 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:36.480 Is very different Playboy hacking that happened because there was 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.680 like a password system that was actually pretty easy to 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:40.759 get passed, right right, right right that one that were 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.920 like okay, everyone, yeah, we figured we know where the 0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:47.279 weakness was. But with this though, like I think they 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.520 just had like microwave signals that were strong enough. 0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:54.000 To God and the FBI were involved, were. 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:58.320 Involved crime, but then the statue of limitation was five years, 0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.919 so as of nineteen ninety two, They're like, well, even 0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.399 if we find out now, but then still no one 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:05.840 came forward nothing. 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.920 You'd be so tempted to but then worried that. 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:14.800 We've changed firing squad time the only option. 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:17.719 Yeah, all right, Sammy, what's your theory? 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.080 I feel like it must have been a point that 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:22.560 was missed. I feel like there must have been a 0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.200 political point or something. 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:28.239 I think because the short film is so like, ye, 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.080 it's like we like if you watch it now again. 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:33.440 Also on YouTube it's called like Max Headroom twenty Minutes 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:39.560 into the Future. It's like a one hour film, but 0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:42.719 it's like really and Max Headroom, the character itself was 0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.799 meant to sort of be like anti consumerism and sort 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:47.640 of be like kind of a comment on like, well, 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.959 the way the world's going, So it sort of makes 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:53.239 sense just for it to be weird that enough to 0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.440 prove the point to be like you're all mine controlled 0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:57.399 by TV. 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.680 And it's just someone kind of yeah, showing off that 0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:02.400 they can sick into it. 0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:06.360 Is the person that played Max headro Ya Maximus head Rooms. 0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.240 Were they did they ever come forward and say anything 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:13.719 like was there any actually yeah, wondering as a thing to. 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.040 Be like, oh yeah, yeah. 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.000 He was the one that released that song. It was 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:24.240 on TV. Wasn't thank you? I wrote it? 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:24.839 Yeah? 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.360 I have a theory. 0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:33.919 Whoa, oh my god, dis just made that noise happen 0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.480 with his tail. But this is very like this episode 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:42.760 we're talking about weird speaking, Yeah. 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.200 Because I I just think it's so bizarre as like 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:50.560 not having any clear answers but such a niche, niche 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:51.040 thing to do. 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:53.680 But it's also like really intense, like it's not just 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:56.640 like again, I feel like that if it was just audio, 0:37:56.680 --> 0:38:00.480 people like, oh, it's like a weird signal overlap. There 0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:03.160 was an unfortunate like I have a few more examples 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.520 of it happening, not like it's still over ten years ago, 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:15.239 but in the two thousands there was a so in 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:20.600 February twenty twenty, that's sorry, twenty thirteen, someone hacked into 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:25.239 the emergency broadcast system and they played a message that 0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.600 the dead had risen from their graves and were attacking 0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:32.040 nearby civilians. Do not approach them, they're dangerous, go into 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:35.520 hiding and tune into a radio station, which obviously, and 0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.560 again that was a thing of like, Okay, someone just 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.560 figured out that past were they got into the emergency 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:44.480 Hilaire is prank, Yeah, funny prank. There was another very 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:49.120 unfortunate incident where a morning news report was replaced with 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:50.640 three minutes of pornography. 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:52.760 I remember hearing about the Yeah. 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.160 That was at first everyone was like, oh my god, hackers. 0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:58.480 And it turns out that there'd been like a faulty 0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:02.200 cable and people repairing it and they just plugged the wrong. 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.400 They just put it on an adult channel. 0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.799 They pretty much just rewired it so that the broadcast 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:08.080 switched with an adult only. 0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.600 My imagine fucking up your job so badly that people 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.040 thought it was like a planned political. 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.960 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.279 It's funny that like stuff like that can like make 0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:21.440 the news even though it's just like a simple mistake, 0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:27.680 but it becomes like a like yeah, yeah, I worked 0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.000 at a cinema, Like that was like my job for 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:34.080 fifteen years, and my cinema made the news one day 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:39.080 because instead of screening Zutopia, they screened Deadpool, just because 0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:41.880 it was just like a that is so easy to do. 0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:46.279 Basically all you need to do is like so the 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:48.200 way that movies work now that it's all digital and whatever, 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.239 it's basically just like you assigned like the sessions will 0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:52.600 be there sort of it. It would have gone like 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:57.960 Zopia Deadpool and then when that happens, you just assigned 0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:01.279 like the right movie to the right thing. It was 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:04.600 just like, yeah, someone just chucked Deadpool and there's Utopia. 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.160 Car Hey, buddy, I can't play right now. 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:12.680 I'm doing a podcast, actually a podcast. He's very impressed 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:12.960 with it. 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:14.600 It's turned off. I really like it. Thank you. 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:20.239 It's showing me. I haven't seen it a million times. 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.520 And then like three A w came in and tried 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.279 to interview people and like what about all that because 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:28.200 Deadpool opens with a pretty hectic scene. Yes, and we're 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:32.440 like yeah. It was just its like, yeah, that happens. 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:33.720 I'm it sucks. 0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:37.040 Yeah, it was. 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.799 It wasn't a huge political movement of like, yeah, you 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:43.080 want to watch a Disney movie. 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:44.560 I had I don't know I've told this on the 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.040 podcast before, but I had a moment where you're like 0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:49.799 the v HS tapes like going down to get one, 0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.520 and Mum took me and my brother down to go 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:54.239 and get one, and I want to go. I watched 0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:56.840 Spider Man's a new cartoon, Spider Man. I'm so excited 0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.920 about it, and they'd put the wrong the guy Jeff 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:04.719 had put the wrong tape. Name him jeffiez of shit 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:09.799 and he put it. He put a very very very 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:14.319 graphic film in there, and it was so we kept 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:16.680 running out to mum in the garden, going, Spider Man 0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:18.720 is not on yet, and she goes, he'll be on soon. 0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:21.879 Don't worry about it. It's not a cartoon. You don't 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:23.320 worry about it's not to be a cartoon. 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:24.680 She's thinking, it's like trailer. 0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.120 Yeah, And this woman put her in the film. She 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:30.239 put her hand. She had a huge incision and she 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.240 put her hand in the incision and started moving around 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.359 in her guts. And me and my brother Michael was watching, going, 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:39.520 I don't think this is no Spider Man. And it 0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:42.760 was so graphic. We would have been probably about twenty 0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:45.759 twenty five. Now we've probably been about I know, like 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.439 was it six, like we were so young? 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:49.680 Was it video droom? 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:52.440 I don't know what the film was. 0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:55.279 What is that? A similar that has James Wood in 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.400 it and at one point he gets pretty much of 0:41:57.480 --> 0:41:59.319 vagina on his stomach that he puts his hand. 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:00.680 That's it, that's it. 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.360 I am so I just found out what you knew 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:06.120 what that was from that one description. 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.600 David's first famous movie before he made the Fly. I 0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:10.239 love that movie. 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:13.600 So okay, so I'm watching that with my brother. Unfortunately 0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:18.960 I need to it's a I'm sorry, I cold a 0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:20.000 vagina an incision. 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:23.920 That's you did. 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:26.439 Six years old. 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.720 I think we didn't have a lessons anatomy. 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:32.960 Not interesting. I get it. 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:35.480 I'm a little curious, get it. 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:39.520 Yeah, So that that film, and it was so full 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:41.560 on and you're like in the moment. 0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.240 But that's Mum saying no, just why. 0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:45.319 Mom still brings it up? 0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:49.120 Ye one like that I've done is I was just 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.920 the annoying little sister. My sister's four years older than me, 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:54.319 so there were quite a few years there where I 0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:58.279 was annoyingly younger, you know, And we were on a 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.520 plane and it was back in the day is where 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:03.560 there was a choice of movies you could watch, but 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:06.440 they will start it like there were say five different channels, 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:09.239 and you what would see in the aeroplane magazine, like 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:11.719 this movie starts on this channel at this time, and 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:16.160 you couldn't just start watch any time exactly. So it 0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:19.960 was just after Titanic could come out, and so obviously 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:24.440 I loved Leonardo DiCaprio and the Man in the Iron Mask, 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:27.040 was on the plane and I was like, that's Leonardo 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:29.000 DiCaprio's I want to watch that because I like him. 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:33.080 And I was in grade three and Mum was saying, no, no, 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:35.839 that's too you know, you won't like that. It's too 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:38.680 grown up. And my sister had said to me, she's like, 0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:40.040 you want, and I said, I want to watch it 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:41.879 with I want to watch watch it within she goes, 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:44.280 you won't like it. Half of it's in another language anyway, 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:45.640 and I was like, I really want to watch everyone 0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:47.640 want to watch it, and she said, okay, you can 0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:49.759 watch it on your own and I'll watch on my 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:53.480 own and you're not to speak to me while. So 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.920 I put on the channel that it was on exactly 0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.719 and I was watching it and it had been going 0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.279 for over an hour, and I tapped her on the 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:03.839 leg and she was like what And I said when 0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:08.319 does it change to English? And she went what? And 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.719 I said, you said, half it's in another language, but 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.239 it's still in another language. I had put on the 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:17.840 German channel. I was watching The Man in the Iron Mask, 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.520 but in German, but because she had said to me, 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.919 half of it's in another language, meaning there were subtitles 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:27.799 I thought she meant the first half was in German. 0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:33.000 I really hope says understands you. I also had an 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.400 experience when I was a kid where I went to 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.400 go see the movie mouse Hunt. The projectionist played the 0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:42.719 Devil's Advocate instead, which is an interesting one because I 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:44.120 was like six or seven. 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:49.879 Oh my god, one with Lee Nathan Lean, Nathan Leane 0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.680 and Lee Mack. Yeah, not Lee Mac, It's not Lee Mack, 0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:55.719 It's Lee Evans or something like that. He was an 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:58.000 old like he was a big medium back in the day, 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:00.960 and then he retired from doing comed and he's he 0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.520 didn't trust America anymore because all the agents him off 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:07.000 and everything. Yeah, anyway, so yeah, Evids. 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:10.280 I think it was Yeah. So yeah, the Devil's Advocate 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:12.440 was a weird one, and I got more traumatized, I think, 0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:14.760 by everyone in this because it was a pretty cinema 0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:17.000 was maybe like half full, so but a lot of 0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:21.239 families school holidays, and the opening scene of that movie 0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:23.800 is a court case about a teacher assaulting a student. 0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:27.759 So but to children, that was just like grown up 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:31.080 language I didn't understand. But to the adults, they were 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:34.200 like Jesus Christ, so like all the adults like freaking 0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:37.640 out in the cinema were an understanding, which then made 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:43.640 them really scared, so traumatized that for a little while, 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:47.760 my parents actually made friends with that local cinema. Thankfully 0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:51.120 it was small, and because I used to really like 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:54.080 going to the movies and I was like six, yeah, 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:56.239 and I was really scared. But then like the projectionist 0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.080 was like had come down to apologize to all the 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:02.480 kids fred who he was. But then the projectionist then 0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:05.720 made friends with my mom and my dad. I guess, 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:07.680 so like whenever we came to the movies, they'd let 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:09.920 me upstairs to watch the first five minutes from the 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:12.319 projection booth so that I could like make sure it 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:15.400 was the right movie because I wouldn't go into the cinema. 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.200 And but then I got over it. Thank you. I'm 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:21.520 just give me the most fucked is a video. 0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:25.200 Has been a beautiful psychology session. 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:28.719 I know so many feelings and I solved the video 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:29.360 drome mystery. 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:29.800 Thank you. 0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:33.640 The drome. It's called video drome. Okay, I'm gonna watch 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:35.080 it again. I've GOTTSD. 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:37.640 But it's a weird one for a kid to watch 0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:39.880 because it's kind of a slow burn. It's like and 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:42.440 it's like weird intense. It's not just like someone getting 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:44.920 shot and you're like, oh god, horrible. It's like what 0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:47.040 is this guy's put his head in the TV water? 0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:51.480 Yeahs coming out? 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:52.839 Oh god? 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.080 Alright, would you like to know my theory on love? 0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:57.600 Right? Okay? 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.560 So the V to me the story itself and then 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:05.759 seeing the vision is giving like just dumb, you know, 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:09.640 kind of UNI students, college students doing a prank that 0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:11.959 they thought would be funny. They're smart enough to know 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:14.640 how to kind of hack into the system. The fact 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:17.880 that it wasn't political, the fact that it involves, like 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.440 you know, someone in a maid's outfit in spanking. It 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.280 just sounds like kind of boys in their early twenties 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:24.480 eighteen nineteen. 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:26.200 It does, Yeah, it does. 0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:29.399 You said that like the kind of way they might 0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:32.360 have done it was something like SCIENTIFICI that they worked 0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:36.920 out how to do that. And you say, you and 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:43.440 a group of UNI students who used a disused broadcasting 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:47.360 at Latronia UNI that was then shut down because the 0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:51.480 whole UNI started doing science science. I think it was 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:58.200 you and the people that started Sandspan's Radio, And I'm right, had. 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.760 I wish I'm slightly too young for this will have happened, 0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.040 but I don't care. Ma. 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:08.719 Math is not my strong point. It is giving absolute 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:12.320 vibes of that exact thing a group of college. 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:13.799 Students, and that's what we're talking about it now. 0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:17.759 Okay, I'll take my I'll take my accusations away from 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:20.640 you and your friends directly, but it is the same thing. 0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:22.680 It is exactly what it feels like. A group of 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:28.040 college students who have access to some kind of filming 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:31.640 equipment and you know, or even a studio. They work 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:35.319 out that they can break into broadcast and they just 0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:36.640 do a silly boy prank. 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:40.399 And you're a big fan of the top yeah, huge, 0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:41.680 actually huge fan of room. 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:43.600 I mean, now that you say it like that, like 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:46.040 I mean I once did something like super I mean 0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:51.480 super annoying. It was like worst possible time for done 0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:54.240 this to the poor staff at Big W high Points. 0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:59.279 So it was twenty four hour treading. Me and my 0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:05.879 friends were just like because it was like you jack 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:10.319 off here, I'll give you fifty bucks, and then. 0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:13.560 I paid him fifty. 0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:20.040 So it must have been like music streaming and Bluetooth 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:23.600 just being like the general thing had happened, but it 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:27.239 was still sort of new, and we went and we 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:31.399 were just in Big w and for some reason. Yeah, 0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:36.239 so basically I don't even know why I checked, but 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:38.239 I found I was like, oh, that's funny, there's a 0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:41.880 Bluetooth speakershi, just to like, can fantastic connect? 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.320 Sure, let's go with connect to. 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:49.160 And then I didn't even play like anything that bad. 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:52.720 I just played run Away with Me by Kylie Ray Jebson. 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:57.360 But that has like a really obnoxious and loud intro, 0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:00.399 which and obviously I had no way of t how 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:03.560 loud their music system was going to be, and it 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:09.240 just blost, my god, I'm been at like eleven thirty 0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:12.440 PM or like the twenty third of December, so no one. 0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:17.279 And then I remember there was like an older lady there. 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:23.440 I say older now, but like yeah, realistically she probably 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:24.719 maybe like forty. 0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:25.160 Five yea. 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:33.440 Horrible, oh retire lady right. 0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:36.920 Now, maybe a little bit older, only because she turned 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:38.640 around and saw me and my friends standing in the 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:43.239 book section. No, that was the one thing because it 0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:45.920 was so loud. I think it was it shocked us 0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:49.440 enough a little bit for to be like not not 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:51.279 like scared, because I knew it was going to happen. 0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:52.640 I just didn't expect to say loud, but I think 0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:54.560 enough that it like kind of reset us so that 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.320 we were like we were just like whoa and like 0:50:57.400 --> 0:51:00.680 kind of looking and then she like turned around and 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:02.520 looked as like can I help you? And we were 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:04.960 like what's happening? And she was like what and what? 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:08.600 We were like what and then she was like immediately 0:51:08.640 --> 0:51:11.040 it was like, oh, it's not them, like there is 0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:16.479 can I Well, they're confused like I am, and everything's loud. 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:19.720 It's like thirty five Max. 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:22.239 She couldn't hear it. She didn't. 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:25.920 You can't go back into a big w unless the 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:30.640 guy who's going to coach you throw it. 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.080 But it was just like so funny because it was 0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:37.200 like so obnoxious and annoying of us to do, but 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:38.799 it was just like something we definitely got away with 0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:40.440 it because like there was no way for them to 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:42.520 be like, well, it's just bluetooth. And it was also 0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:45.320 like they didn't know how to turn it off. Yeah, yeah, 0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:47.120 I went to turn it off an accidentally, but like 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:48.920 he was trying to do it subtly ended up restarting 0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:52.600 the song. So people like what is going on anyway, 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:57.360 Practical jokes are never good. Always do things like this 0:51:57.719 --> 0:51:59.680 this victimless I was happy. 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:01.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah great. 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:05.080 This Max Headroom thing was definitely just dumb UNI students. 0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:11.560 Yeah yeah, because I think, like I like to think 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:17.560 that now with the wonderful age of thirty five, that 0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:19.480 I would be grown up enough that if I had 0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:22.520 the capabilities of doing something like hacking into a live broadcast, 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.640 I wouldn't do it. But if it was like if 0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:27.080 it was just presented to me. 0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:31.239 Getting spanked Max Hedroom, oh yeah with a cool. 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:36.560 Vocals, putting his hand up to be the actor in again. 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:41.399 Yeah, if anyone wants to be made, please reach out. 0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:45.160 Thank you for coming on the podcast and telling us 0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:46.400 that he's so fascinating. 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:47.920 Yeah, I mean, like, if you just search up the 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:51.480 Max Headroom, you can see the raw footage and it's yeah, 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:55.400 it's deeply upsetting, but in like a nothing bad is 0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:56.200 actually happening. 0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:59.000 You can imagine home and you account. 0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:02.400 Leven has the vibe of watching like the Ring tape 0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:05.279 from the movie The Ring. You're gonna to get a 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:09.800 phone call now and say that I'm nothing actually happened, 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:12.880 Like yeah, like it's not one of those grizzly videos. 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:16.040 There's nothing. It's not like someone gets hurt or it's 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:19.560 like moments before horrible disaster. It's just like there's no violence. 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:20.760 It just really odd. 0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:23.720 It's just a guy with a weird voice doing weird stuff. 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:25.160 Weird stuff. 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:28.360 Dumb boys, I'm telling you, the dumb boys. 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:31.360 I think that's probably why the FBI ended up dropping 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:34.200 the Yeah, I like, it's just fucking. 0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:37.240 It was cute dropped interesting. 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.760 But Simpson and Millhouse when they got over pranking most 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:42.880 tavern on the phone, they moved to Max Droom on 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:43.200 the TV. 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:45.920 Yeah, case sold. 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:48.719 As we always say, at the end of the case, 0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:49.120 I think I. 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:53.400 Might have actually solved this one. Sometimes the simplest answer 0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:54.920 is also the truest answer. 0:53:55.480 --> 0:54:02.399 Simons Razor, WHOA, I guess now, George, you have lots 0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:04.160 of stuff going on. You have a lot of podcasts. 0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:05.680 Can tell us that you can talk to the podcast? 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:09.479 Yeah? So basically, yeah, I have four weekly podcasts, which 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:11.040 is I would say three too. 0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:14.520 Many, but hey, as people sitting here that have two weekly, yeah, 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:17.200 you got one. 0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:20.800 Too many, got three to So basically there's plumbing the 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:23.120 Death Star, which is probably the one people might know 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:26.040 me from We've Got thumb Cramps. Is you have like 0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:29.560 a very very insane video game podcast where the premise 0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:33.760 the premise is straightforward, but I think we've dug ourselves 0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:35.640 in such a whole of that one that it's like 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.960 for new listeners, you're like, what is happening? He was 0:54:39.040 --> 0:54:41.080 here to listen to them talking about three games and 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:46.960 they're yeah, Like, anyway, hey, if you want a podcast 0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:49.080 that will challenge you if you listen to it, thumb 0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:52.080 Crams big recommend. We also have a live show for 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:53.960 that coming up in April in Sydney. 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:54.520 Amazing. 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:58.000 It's the first time we've taken it into state. Technically, 0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:00.120 our first live show for that was in London, but 0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:05.160 it was like a secret show. It was a weird one. Yeah, exactly. 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:07.560 It's definitely the first time thumb Grams has gone to 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:11.840 Sydney for a live show. Yeap So that is in April. 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:14.960 If you just head to thumb cramspod on Instagram ticket link. 0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:18.840 Is there the other two podcasts that it was baseless 0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:22.720 Baseless speculation and how Good's Footy. Basic speculation is basically 0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:25.799 just like we take upcoming movies or like look at 0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:27.960 a trailer and something and then just try and basically 0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:31.279 speculate what we think is gonna happen. It's also like 0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:33.120 one of those podcasts where like if we see a 0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:34.799 movie together, we'll just be like, well, let's just do 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:39.080 a review this week the new Avatar movie, Let's talk 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:42.280 through It. And Hood's Footy is just a weekly AFL 0:55:42.320 --> 0:55:46.040 podcast that will start up just before Round one, which 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:48.120 was only a time of recording a couple of weeks away. 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:49.319 But I don't know when this is coming out. 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:51.719 It's coming like a week or two. 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:55.200 Yeah, okay, well, chances are the well, the football season 0:55:55.200 --> 0:56:00.400 starts first week of March, a big one, Plumbing the 0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:02.640 Dead Star and thumb Crams. If you like video games 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:04.800 and if you like that podcast and you live in 0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:07.160 Sydney or for some reason you really like the podcast, 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:11.319 yeah yeah, I mean like, I think we're driving a 0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:14.160 to e vent up there, so just jump message me. 0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:16.960 Miss your dress will pick you up. Thank you up 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:17.399 on the way. 0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:19.839 And if people would like to audition for the role 0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:23.040 of made in your Prank video your personal. 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:25.359 Instagram, Yeah, sir, you can find me on Instagram at 0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:28.200 Douche thirteen d us C H one three. I have 0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:29.920 a stupid last name, so I thought I just lean 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:33.880 into it. Yeah, so Instagram is the best place to 0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:36.520 find me individually. Yeah, all my shows are also through 0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:42.439 like a that uh link tree on my Instagram. It's 0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:45.719 all there. Just to look it up, give me a 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:48.000 follo of scroll down, just like a few photos at 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:51.720 random at will. Whatever you want, Yeah, jump in the comments, 0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:55.000 if you jump in the company, just say whatever you want. 0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:57.279 Say whatever you want. I guess, yeah, go not's have. 0:56:57.320 --> 0:56:57.839 Fun with it. 0:56:57.920 --> 0:56:59.799 Oh my god, where all are you to have fun 0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:04.319 of that? Thank you so much for bringing that story today. 0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:06.920 I feel very satiated by the fact that I solved 0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:11.040 crime and you stopped me thinking about Mike Whitney being 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:12.919 the reason for Donald Trump being president for a while 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:15.400 there I have just remembered. But that's all right because. 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:20.720 I have been done that path before, and unfortunately there's 0:57:20.760 --> 0:57:22.919 no like oh Mike Whitney, I mean, like he didn't 0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:29.480 do it on allegedly. Thank you, Hey, no worries. Thanks 0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:30.240 so much for having me