1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast it's not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: That is so fatch. Thank you, Welcome back to Outspoken. 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm getting a little bit stressed because we are pre 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: recording this before we head off on our little weekend 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: holiday to Port Elliott. Brand is in the background packing 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: the car with like kayaks and surfboards, and I actually 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: have not got my bag packed, so we better get 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: through this in a decent amount of time. But anyway, Kate, 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: you have been researching places to eat this weekend and 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: you came across a pretty funny review. Oh so, I 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: came across a place that we're definitely not going to. 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: It's an Italian restaurant and there are a lot of 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: one star reviews, so I thought I would read them, 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: and I love the fact that the owner jumps in 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: on the bad reviews and sort of claps back at 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: the people. So there was a review that said very 22 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: underwhelming food. Now, the owner of the restaurant responded, sorry 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: that you were disappointed. I would be disappointed as well 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: if I ordered a linguini without muscles, pippies and pawns 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: with lots of parmesan, with a vomiting face, no other comment. 26 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: You criticize what you ordered, changing our dish completely. If 27 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: I was downstairs, I would have refused to take your 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,919 Speaker 1: order for such a disgusting plate. That is absolutely hilarious 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: because there's another guy in Adelaide who does this as well, 30 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: but he actually shares the negative reviews on his Facebook 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: page and then writes his little clap back, And as 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: someone who works in PR, I feel like this is 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: the worst thing you could ever do. Can I just 34 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: say that I kind of can see where he's coming from. 35 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: If you've completely changed a dish and got rid of 36 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: every great ingredient from it, of course is going to 37 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: taste like shit. 38 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: But I don't think you should clap back at his 39 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: own diner. But adding a vomit emoji. 40 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: No, So seriously, you need to go read all of them. 41 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: They are so funny because he constantly makes the excuse 42 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: that he was understaffed, and this never normally happened, but 43 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: there's like twenty five reviews from the same couple of 44 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: weeks that say the same thing. Now, just moving on, 45 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: soph and Kate and I have been debating behind your 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: back whether you are going through a bit of a 47 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: midlife crisis, or should I say, whether you're wanting to 48 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: become a gen zetto. Well, it's not really behind my back. 49 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: You've said it to my face, and so I was 50 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: your boyfriend, Kay. Apparently I am too old to want 51 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: to get some extra ear piercings, even though this is 52 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: one of the number one trends at the moment, Sophie. 53 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: I actually said you should go and get it. I 54 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: don't think you were supportive. 55 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: To be fair, it was Kay, and he's who laughed 56 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: in my face when. 57 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: I suggest did it. 58 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: I feel like this isn't even a new trend though. 59 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: I feel like this has kind of been around for 60 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: the last year and a half, and it probably does 61 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: show that you're old because you're trying to jump onto 62 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: it when it's already been a thing. 63 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: For a while. 64 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: Or did you know my favorite shop, Sarah and Sebastian, 65 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: they are actually doing ear piercing at Mecca at the moment. 66 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: That's how much he's becoming a basic bitch thing. Get 67 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: all these different ear piercing, So what ear piercing are 68 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: you wanting to get? Exactly see, I feel even embarrassed 69 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: talking about it now. I'm burning up feeling embarrassed. 70 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. I like just a few more, Like 71 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: you know, the one on the ear lobe. 72 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: I think it's cool. It's not called the helix. It's 73 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: the orbital the ear lobe. That's where you normally get 74 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: your ear not sorry, like the top of your ear. 75 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: Oh okay, but like I don't want a hoop or anything, 76 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: just like a cute little stud What about a little 77 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: s from Sarah and Sebastian that those are cool? Yeah, 78 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: my boyfriend thinks I should do it, but Reese literally 79 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: laughed in my face. Think I think Reese thinks you're 80 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: really tragic, Sophie, because you know you're turning thirty three. 81 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: She's not. 82 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: But I also Freedman's got all her ear art going on. 83 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: She's got heaps of earrings. 84 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: She's also got temporary tattoos for a fiftieth birthdate. 85 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: That do you know? Who has really cool ear rings? 86 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: Is a documentary maker Cherry Heally, I reckon Sophie, she 87 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: should be your inspo's forty's No Milly Caught from Love 88 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: Island is my inspiration at the moment. 89 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: See that's what I'm going for. But that's what's making 90 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: you seem a bit tragic. 91 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: I think, Oh, I know she's twenty four. I actually 92 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: think we should put up an Instagram poll as to 93 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: whether Sophie should get this piercing. So go on to 94 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: our Instagram. It's outspoken, underscore the podcast and vote. 95 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: Are you eating? 96 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: No, I've got a few. 97 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: I'm trying not to eat. 98 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: I don't want two lunches. 99 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 2: Would I like doing things for you? 100 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: So just chewing spif don't we sue. Madison Willie has 101 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: defended her midweek long lunches, assuring her followers she does 102 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: actually work. The influencer made the bold statement following a 103 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: boozy lunch at a three Hat restaurant. Okay, I need 104 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: to know what was on the menu for Maddie in 105 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: her recent vlog, Wow, there was quite a lot to list, 106 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: as Madison enjoyed back to back extravagant lunches and then 107 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: dinners in her most recent vlog, So at the three 108 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: hat restaurant called Catalina. She enjoyed a three course meal 109 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: starting at one hundred and thirty dollars ahead. However, Madison 110 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: ordered the lobster Risotto, which added an additional eighty dollars 111 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: to the lunch and bumping up the meal to two 112 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: hundred and ten dollars. 113 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: Of course, this excluded. 114 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: The bottle of wine she enjoyed with her bestie Caitlin Now. 115 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: After coming home in between to unbox some free bikinis, 116 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: Madison then headed off with a group of girlfriends to 117 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: an exclusive bar in Darling Harbor called Zephyr for cocktails 118 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: and food, and the following day she went out for 119 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: crap pasta at Bondai with a group of friends and 120 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: then back out to dinner again that night. 121 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: Sounds like a pretty good life to me. 122 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: I mean, she's obviously living her best post lockdown life. 123 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: I totally understand that people want to get out and about, 124 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: you know, after lockdown, but this does seem a little 125 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: bit extravagant. She has been out for the past two weeks, 126 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: it seems every night. Yeah, And I do have to 127 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: give it to Madison because she has been very consistent 128 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: with sharing content. Now that Lockdown is over. However, it 129 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: does seem quite tone deaf because, as you said, over 130 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, she shared four vlogs documenting 131 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: everything she's been up to, and like any good influencer, 132 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: she has been on top of her appointments, so Manny 133 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: Petty Color and cart Lash extensions. Some eagle eyed fans 134 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: have also believed she has gotten lip filler, which I 135 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: actually did think to myself when I was watching her 136 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: most recent vlogs. However, Madison did not document this procedure, 137 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: so we're unsure if she actually has had lip filler 138 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: or she's just got a really good lip pencil. Let's 139 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: be honest, though, she is living the absolute dream since 140 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: getting out of Lockdown. She's also enjoyed a staycation at 141 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: a hotel, and, as you said, Kate, back to back 142 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: lunches and dinner sessions at Sydney's best restaurants. In a 143 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: recent vlog, she also went to a Japanese restaurant where 144 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: her friend Lexi exclaimed that the Eden Arme beans better 145 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: be good on the menu because they cost forty dollars. 146 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: Just to put that into perspective, when I go to 147 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: sushi train, Eden arme beans are like three dollars fifty. Yeah. 148 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: I one of my favorite lunches that has been documented 149 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: so far was the extravagant lunch that Madison and also Lexi, 150 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: who seems to be going to every single lunch as well, 151 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: they had at Mimi. So they had a full rock 152 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: lobster as well as enjoying thirty six dollars Cavier vodka shots, 153 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: which they licked off their hand, So the caveat was 154 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: kind of put in a line on their hand. It 155 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: didn't seem very COVID safe to be licking your hand, 156 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: but hopefully they did sanitize their hands. 157 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: Before the shot. I have never seen anything like this before. 158 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: I have never heard of caviat shots. 159 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: So you will. You're obviously hanging out at sushi training. 160 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: You're hanging out how the other half live. 161 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: At one point though, in the four vlogs, we did 162 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: see Madison cooking for herself, but I've got to point 163 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: out that it was a hallow Fresh sponsorship, so I 164 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: feel like. 165 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: She had to do it now. 166 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 1: Madison did have a bit of a revelation in between 167 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: her first lunch in the most recent vlog, ky what 168 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: did she say? Well, whilst Driving home from the lunch, 169 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: Madison gave what she called a disclaimer, so let's have 170 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: a listen to what she I. 171 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 4: Just have realized that all of my vlogs, my most 172 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: recent flogs have just been very like lunches and dinners, 173 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 4: and I feel like. 174 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: I haven't really been well. I was gonna say, I don't. 175 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 4: Really feel like I've been showing my work, but in 176 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 4: actual fact, I haven't really been doing like this past week. 177 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: Oh sorry, my Promi's like flying around. 178 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 4: But since been out of lockdown, obviously this is bound 179 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: to happen. Like me, my friends and I have just 180 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 4: been really celebrating I guess freedom again and going out 181 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 4: for lunches and stuff. But I just wanted to do 182 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 4: like a little disclaimer that even though it may seem 183 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: like all I'm going right now is going out for lunches, 184 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 4: and I definitely have been going for more lunches during 185 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 4: the week, that is not all that It's going on. 186 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: Behind the scenes, I promise I'm still working. 187 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of people watching this with 188 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: the glow she actually does nothing with her days except 189 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 4: for graff lunch, which, granted, I recognize I have been 190 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 4: doing a lot of and I'm very oh shit, and 191 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: I'm very grateful for the opportunity to be able to 192 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 4: do that with my job, like the flexibility of my job. 193 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 4: But I just wanted to touch on that I'm still working, 194 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 4: Like right now, I'm actually going home from lunch to 195 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 4: do a couple of hours of work before, oh before. 196 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: I meet my friends tonight. It's Friday night and I'm meeting. 197 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 4: Them in the city for Friday night drinks. And I 198 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 4: knowed in these blogs compared to like the lockdown blogs, 199 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 4: and I wasn't really doing much. 200 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: It's just I don't know. 201 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 4: I don't even know if I need to do this disclaimer. 202 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 4: I just know people probably have something to say about 203 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 4: the fact that I'm just. 204 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 2: Just going out for a lot of lunches. 205 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,479 Speaker 1: So what did you guys think about Madison's disclaimer? 206 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: I just found this clip so amusing. 207 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: I was so annoyed I wasn't watching it with you guys, 208 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: because there were so many moments I just wanted to 209 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: touch on. I found it so amusing that she was 210 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: trying to persuade the audience that she was working, but 211 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: then flat out saying things like I haven't actually been 212 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: doing anything, and then the video suddenly cuts. 213 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 214 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: She also mentioned later in the vlog in this car 215 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: chat that she'd been feeling a bit anxious because she 216 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: hadn't had enough time spent on her own because she'd 217 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: been going out so often with her friends. So it 218 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: was kind of contradicting her first comment that she'd been 219 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: at home working. Well, she said it was really taxing 220 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: and draining to go to lunches all day. It did look, 221 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: It did look really hard. I did feel a little 222 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: bit uncomfortable watching Madison talking whilst driving in her car, 223 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: because she had her camera propped up on the dashboard 224 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: and it kept sliding around, and it was quite clear 225 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: that her attention was on the camera and not driving. 226 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: And she had also shown herself drinking at lunch, which 227 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: you know, again, I'm not saying she was drink driving, 228 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: but that together with putting her focus onto a camera 229 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: whilst vlogging, I didn't think it was a really good look. 230 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: And I really don't understand how all these influencers get 231 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: away with filming themselves whilst driving and then uploading it. 232 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: Can't they get in trouble exactly? 233 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: And it just encourages other people who are watching to 234 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: do the same sort of things. I mean, I think 235 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: it's actually more distracting to film yourself in a car 236 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: than to change music on your phone. 237 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: Well, do you guys think. 238 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: Though, that we're being a bit harsh and that Madison 239 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: should be able to enjoy her freedom in whatever way 240 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: she likes. Look, I think I totally understand that after 241 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: being in such a long lockdown that you would want 242 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: to be going out to lunch with your friends, and 243 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: there's definitely nothing wrong with that. But I think when 244 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: you're at a point where you're so privileged that you 245 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: are spending hundreds of dollars on lunches, you're going on 246 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: shopping sprees, you're also going on staycations, that you've got 247 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: to be aware that not everyone is in that fortunate position. 248 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: There are a lot of people that haven't just bounced 249 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: out of lockdown in the same financial position, which for 250 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: Madison is a very fortunate financial position. And I think 251 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: that of course she can go and do those things, 252 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: but I think documenting it to the level that she 253 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: has on her Instagram and also on a YouTube very 254 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: tone deaf, and it seems to be rubbing it in 255 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: the faces of those people that might not have a job, 256 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: they might be struggling to pay for dinners, and I 257 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: just thought it really wasn't a very good look at all. 258 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: The thing is, at the end of the day, I 259 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: actually do enjoy watching content like that, but I'm not 260 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: watching it going oh, that's so fantastic. It's more of like, oh, 261 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: this is like I can't actually believe this is how 262 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: people live. But I feel like in this current age, 263 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: it's actually going to alienate a lot of people who 264 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: follow her because, as you said, people are going to 265 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: look at it and go, well, I'm not as fortunate. 266 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: I can't believe this is how people are spending money 267 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: straight out of the lockdown. Yeah, and I think there 268 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: would be a lot of people that were jealous that 269 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: they can't afford to go to these types of luncheons. 270 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: I think that that's a normal human response to viewing 271 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: this type of content. I do also agree that there 272 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: is an element of escapism when you watch YouTube like this, 273 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: So I think that some people will like it because 274 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: it's something that they don't do and they're getting an 275 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: insight into. 276 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 2: That kind of luxurious life. 277 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: But I think with the pandemic, a lot of people 278 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: are starting to reassess who they follow, and they don't 279 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: particularly want to be seeing content that is so tone deaf. 280 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: I think where she went wrong was saying that it 281 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: was taxing and draining to go to lunches and trying 282 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: to persuade the audience that behind the scenes, she's doing 283 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: a lot of work when it was quite evident she wasn't. 284 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: I think in that situation, just own the fact that 285 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: you're taking the next couple of weeks off and actually 286 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: just call it a holiday. What people dislike is influencers 287 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: constantly trying to force and tell us how much. 288 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: Work they're doing. 289 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: I think there was a little bit of virtue signaling 290 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: going on, putting this disclaimer in and saying that she understood. 291 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: How privileged she is, because I. 292 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: Actually don't think she does understand that she is in 293 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: that top echelon of privileged people. And I think that 294 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: it was quite clear because you know, she was acting 295 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: like she was rushing around and it was so taxing, 296 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: as you said, to go to these lunches, when some 297 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: people would kill to be able to go to an 298 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: expensive restaurant like that for a special occasion, let alone 299 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: just a midweek lunch. 300 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: If you are looking for any blast minted gift ideas 301 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 3: for me, I have ONEOK, Frank Shirley, my boss, right 302 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 3: here tonight with a big ribbon on his head, and 303 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: I want to look him straight in the eye. I 304 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 3: don't want to tell him what a cheap lying, no good, 305 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: rotten for flushing, low life, snake locking, dirt eating and 306 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: bread over stuffed, ignorant, blood sucking, dog kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, 307 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: fat ass, bug eyed, stiff leg it's funny lip worm 308 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: headed sack of monkey shit. He is he hey lojah, 309 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: holy shit. 310 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: With Christmas on the horizon, Roxy Jesenko's ten year old daughter, 311 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: Pixie Curtis has revealed her very extravagant Christmas list. Sophy, 312 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: can you tell us about it? 313 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: Well? 314 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: Roxy shared on Instagram her daughter Pixie's wish list for Christmas, 315 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: and she posted a photo of Pixie holding the very 316 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: detailed Christmas list, which, for the record, was a typed 317 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: printed version. So Roxy wrote, oh, good grief, the Christmas 318 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: list is in And to think I've only just got 319 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: over the birthday. Won Suppose it's a plus. We have 320 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: moved to a typed version. Translation required for some of 321 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: the items now The list included a number of big 322 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: ticket items like a new phone, a surfboard, and jewelry, 323 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: but for me, it was actually Pixie's description of the 324 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: presence which caught my attention and made me laugh. So 325 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: she kept using the word esthetic, which, as someone who 326 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: works in pr definitely does get thrown around a bit. 327 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: But you don't expect ten year olds to be using 328 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: the word aesthetics. So she wrote she wanted aesthetic school 329 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: supplies stuff for aesthetic things, new ipaid case that needs 330 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: to be esthetic, and she also did include some cute 331 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: smaller items like the Babysitters Club books, a new pencil case, 332 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: slime trendy clothes. And I was also surprised because she 333 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: also asked for two types of skincare and I did 334 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: not know the ten year olds are even into skincare. Well, 335 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: I think if you're Roxy, just Sanko's daughter, you would 336 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: be into skincare. I think she would be exposed to 337 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: all types of things. And the thing is, I thought, 338 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,119 Speaker 1: oh wow, is she using the word aesthetic because Roxy uses. 339 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: It a lot. 340 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: But when I looked at the comments on the post, 341 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: there were so many other mothers of ten year old saying, oh, 342 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: because of TikTok, my children not always using that word, 343 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: which I found really surprising. Do you know what I 344 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: found surprising was the fact that I didn't actually think 345 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: that this Christmas list was that demanding, because Roxy is 346 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: obviously very successful, and I mean, an iPhone would be 347 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: an amazing present for any. 348 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: Ten year old. 349 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: But it wasn't like she was asking for anything absolutely 350 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: out of this world. Yeah, that's the thing. I more 351 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: thought it was the descriptions that were funny. I was 352 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: also so surprised the Babysitters Club is still a thing 353 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: we get them growing up. 354 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: I think it's. 355 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: Because on one of the streaming platforms they have the 356 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: Babysitters Club on there. I'm old and there's I think 357 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: there's a new version or something. Oh okay, I think 358 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: there was a movie recently too. But it did surprise 359 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: me because I used to read those. So are you 360 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: going to start reading Babysitters Club books now as well? 361 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be a child. I'm trying to 362 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: be someone in their twenties, not a child. 363 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: On the topic of the word trendy, I remember that 364 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: our mom used to use all the time, so we 365 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: would as well, and our friend at primary school picked 366 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: us up on it and said that it's a lame 367 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: word and we should be using stylists or chic. 368 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: She probably did have a point. 369 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: It was quite interesting to compare the Christmas list to 370 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: Pixie's birthday list because I thought there was actually some 371 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: more outrageous funny items on the birthday list. So for 372 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: Pixie's birthday, she asked for a new room, skincare, a 373 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: glass coffee table, fairy lights, new shoes, trendy clothes again, 374 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: and also a crystal ring light which she could use 375 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: to film professional looking videos. And to top it off, 376 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: sorry Amy, as skincare fridge to store her beauty products in. 377 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: Its actually so cute. I'm sorry to love her. She's adorable. 378 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: Do you know what's hilarious that she's got the coffee 379 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: table down, because remember on Roxy's reality show, everyone went 380 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: nuts because Roxy gave her kids a coffee in the morning. 381 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: Oh that's oh sorry, there is one. 382 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: There's a few more things I have to add to 383 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: this list because it will tie in well with my 384 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: request for you, Pixie. Also, it's a second ear piercing. 385 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: Oh so she's on the same train as me, and 386 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: a teeth whitening kit, which I don't think kids really 387 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: should have. I know that you guys are saying it's cute, 388 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: but to me, I actually felt a little bit sad 389 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: reading it. In terms of her requesting skin care products. 390 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: I don't think kids should be having to worry about 391 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: their skin and their appearance with you know, teeth whitening 392 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: and makeup. 393 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 2: She wants to be like her mom, though. 394 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: How many kids see their mum doing stuff and they 395 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: just want to be the same. 396 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: Do you think maybe she's. 397 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: Going to reveal her own kid's skincare? Is that like, 398 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: maybe what's happening here? 399 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 3: Oh? 400 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: I think we should put that in the bin along 401 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: with the Instagram for kids. I really don't think we 402 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: should be worrying kids with what their skin looks like. 403 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: Obviously they can wash their face, but I think serums 404 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: should stay firt. 405 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: I definitely agree. Do you know what? 406 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: This list reminds me a little bit of our cousin's list, 407 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: because I feel like he's the only other person I 408 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: know that goes into this much detail. He's twenty five. 409 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: Let's just put it out there. It's not a little cousin. 410 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, ja what it was? 411 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: Probably he's probably asking for a bit more in terms 412 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: of monetary value than Pixie. I mean this was a 413 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: little bit different. It's all stuff relating to his car. 414 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: But do you guys, are you guys going to do 415 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: a Christmas list this year or do you feel like 416 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: you're too old? I don't ever do a list as 417 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: per se. I really struggled to. 418 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: Think of things for people to buy. 419 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've actually started a list on my phone, but 420 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: it's not all for me, like I put people's names 421 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: on it, and if I think of a good present, 422 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: I'll jot it down. Because normally, when there's pressure, I 423 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: can't think of anything, but if something organically pops up, 424 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: I'll ride it down. It's funny because at my office 425 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: we're doing Chris Kringle and we were all joking that 426 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: none of us wanted to get the bosses, and of 427 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: course I pulled out the boss. So now I'm having 428 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: to wrap my brains thinking of what he'll want for Christmas, 429 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: which is really quite hard. 430 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: Let's hope he doesn't listen to this podcast. I don't 431 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: think he does. Not start. 432 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: You know nothing. 433 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 3: About the horse. 434 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: I know nothing about the horse. 435 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: The racist stops. 436 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: The nation has turned into the event that divides social media. 437 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: This year, influences have been forced to back aside when 438 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: it comes to the Melbourne Cup. Now, Kate, have you 439 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: noticed a shift in how people perceived the Melbourne Cup 440 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: this year? 441 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: Oh? 442 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: I think particularly this year, there has been a massive 443 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: shift because I remember when we were in our early twenties, 444 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: it was such a big event, even living in Adelaide 445 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: and lots of people take the day off work to 446 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: go to luncheon's and I remember if you didn't have 447 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: something on, you'd feel like a bit of a loser. 448 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: And I also. 449 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: Remember feeling like I needed to put a bet on 450 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: even though I don't really believe in horse racing as well, 451 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: and I feel like my news feed has also totally 452 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: changed because back then everyone was showing off that they 453 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: were at a racing event. All the influencers and celebrities 454 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: had pictures of themselves up at the races. 455 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: However, this year it. 456 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: Was so different. I hardly saw anything about the Melbourne Cup, 457 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: and if I did see something, it was mostly people 458 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: saying nap to the Cup. I also have to add 459 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: in though I do think it's very much a generational thing, 460 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: because I do think that a lot of the older 461 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: people at deal pro the Melbourne Cup. However, I think 462 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: that particularly women our age and younger, are beginning to 463 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: not want to go and not want to publicize that 464 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: they're going, because it's not cool to go to the 465 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: Melbourne Cup anymore. And obviously a lot of that has 466 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: to do with the animal welfare side of things, and 467 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: I do think this shift began back in twenty fourteen 468 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: when two horses sadly died at the Melbourne Cup, because 469 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: every year since then a horse has died. Fortunately a 470 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: horse didn't die this year, which is good news. I 471 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: think it's really great that we're living in a time 472 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: when women are so passionate about animal rights and feel 473 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: in a safe place where they can share about it, 474 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: and they're not so wanting to just dress up above 475 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 1: everything else because I feel like the Melbourne Cup is 476 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: a very glamorous event, so the fact that people are 477 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: turning their backs on it, I think is a good thing. Well, 478 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: it was actually our Queen Taylor Swift who has played 479 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: a bit of a part in this shift in perception 480 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: about the Melbourne because if you recall in twenty nineteen, 481 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: she was announced to be performing at the Cup and 482 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: I remember being so excited trying to book tickets, like 483 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: do we go? Do we not? But she ended up 484 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: getting so much flak about this appearance that she ended 485 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: up canceling it. Now, she did cite that there was 486 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: a scheduling conflict, but I really do think this was 487 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: a pr move because a lot of people were judging 488 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: her and her integrity for wanting to align herself with 489 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: an event like the Melbourne Cup. Because Taylor is so 490 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: well known for loving her cats and standing up for 491 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: what she believes in, so people were upset at what 492 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: they deemed her performing at an event that she should 493 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: be standing against. So that was, of course in twenty nineteen, 494 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: and since then, with the pandemic, we haven't actually had 495 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: a large American performer come to the Melbourne Cup because 496 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: of travel restrictions. But this year we had Delta Gudram 497 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: perform and that was to mixed reviews. Amy what happened 498 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: with Delta? So a lot of people bagged Delta out 499 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: for her performance at the so much so that she 500 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: had to turn comments off on an Instagram post she 501 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: shared about performing at the Melbourne Cup. And you would 502 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: assume it's because of all of the backlafs she received. 503 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: It is also significant to point out that Delta is 504 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: a Victoria Racing Club ambassador. I was really surprised to 505 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: see Delta at the Cup because over the last eighteen 506 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: months with the pandemic, we really have seen a shift 507 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: in Australian's priorities and with people forced to put the 508 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: needs of the greater population before their own, I feel 509 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: like this has really changed the way people judge others 510 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: morals and principles, and I feel like people are much 511 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: more likely to call out privileged people who choose to 512 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: go to a glamorous event like the Melbourne Cup over 513 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: their principles. 514 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: And it appears we're at. 515 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: A point now where we can no longer separate the 516 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: fashion from the animal welfare. So I think previously people 517 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: have seen the event as two separate parts. So there's 518 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: a glamorous, fashion, gossipy part of the Melbourne Cup and 519 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: then there's of course the racing and the horse death. However, 520 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: now everyone is very much forced to choose a side 521 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: because I feel like our society now since the pandemic, 522 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: is very much all or nothing, particularly when it comes 523 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: to social media. And it's interesting to note that last year, 524 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: there was an analysis of the Melbourne Cup tweets and 525 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: in the top ten tweets there was n up to 526 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: the Cup, horse racing kills and animal cruelty, So I 527 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: feel like that says a lot about where we are 528 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: with the Melbourne Cup. Let's go into some of the 529 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: guests who were there. So, as we mentioned earlier, Delta 530 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: Gudrum was there as an ambassador and also to perform 531 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: Love Island's Taylor Demir was also there in an ambassador role, 532 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: as well as Olivia Rodgers, who was hosting for the 533 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: Victoria Cup Racing Carnival. Some other famous faces included Candice Warner, 534 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: Aaron Holland, Rob Mills, Olympia Vellance, Jessica Rowe, Melissa Lyong, 535 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: Jewels and cam from Maps and also Rosalie Russian. I 536 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: mean no offense to the people that were listed, because 537 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: we do have to remember that only Victorians could attend 538 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: with the border closures and there was a cap on numbers. However, 539 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: we used to see a lot bigger famous faces at 540 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: the event, and I feel like two noticeable absentees were 541 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,239 Speaker 1: Beck Judd and Nadia Bartel, and it's quite interesting to 542 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: see what they were up to on the day because 543 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: Beck Judd hosted a garden party at the Botanical Gardens 544 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: with a group of famous friends including Meegan Gail, Lana Wilkinson, 545 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: Jesse Murphy, and Hailey Robertson and Haley shared a post 546 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: of the long lunch tables decorated and beautiful florals and wrote, 547 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: who needs the bird cage when you have Beck Judd 548 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: hostess with the mostess? 549 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: Now? 550 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: Bet didn't disappoint in terms of fashion. She was wearing 551 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: this amazing feathery blue dress with a blue bejeweled headband. 552 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: And I have to include the hilarious commentary from her 553 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: son after she came home from the event. 554 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: Do you miss me today? Tom? 555 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: Why could you have good hair? 556 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 2: You missed me because I have good hair? 557 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: Why? 558 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 3: Oh I'm not a show pretty? I'm pretty? 559 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: Hell? 560 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 2: Why you missed me? That is just so cute. There 561 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: is something so special about mothers and sons. 562 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: I just think he was so on point about her hair, 563 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: like she has been my icon for so long. Her 564 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: son knows where it's at. I've got to point out, though, 565 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: it's interesting about Beck not being at the races because 566 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: she has been an ambassador and has always been at 567 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: the event, and it's hard to tell whether COVID prevented 568 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: her from attending because you did have to be vaccinated 569 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: to go to the races, and we don't know what 570 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: Beck's vaccination status is. She has been very loud and 571 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: proud about freedom and being against Dan Andrews, so I 572 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: did find that pretty interesting to think about. 573 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 2: Well. 574 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: As for Beck's bestine, Nadia Bartell, her Cup day was 575 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: very different to her last. So in twenty nineteen she 576 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: was partying on the dance floor and she left in 577 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: a helicopter, but this year Nadia was nowhere near Flemington. 578 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: Instead she was pool side. And it's really interesting because 579 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: Nadia was announced as an ambassador for the Melbourne Cup 580 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: Carnival on the third of October twenty twenty. However, she 581 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: has been stripped from the Melbourne Cup website and I'm 582 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: assuming it has something to do with the white powder 583 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: scandal early this year. 584 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she lost a. 585 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: Lot of her ambassador roles in her partnership with the 586 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: Melbourne Cup Carnival was one of those. Interestingly, the Victoria 587 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: Carnival of Racing has partnered with Jesse Murphy for the 588 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: Spring Racing Carnival instead of Nadia Bartel, and she's there 589 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: to promote. 590 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 2: The welfare of race horses. 591 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, Jesse is a model 592 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: and wife of former Culton player Mark Murphy. And she 593 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: was at Beck's luncheon rather than at the Melbourne Cup, 594 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: which I didn't quite understand. That is very strange. Now, 595 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: what do you guys think about people who go to 596 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: the Cup? Do you judge them a little bit? I 597 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: think when it comes to celebrities and influencers who attended, 598 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: a big part of them working out whether they should 599 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: attend comes down to their own personal brand. So I 600 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: feel like for a lot of people that were there, 601 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: like Olivia Rogers, I think she received quite a bit 602 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: of backlash because many people didn't think it aligned with 603 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: her brand. She's always showing her dog on Instagram. She 604 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: seems to love animals. She seems to be all about 605 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: mental health, and while those things don't equate to animal welfare. 606 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: I do think it was a little bit off brand 607 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: for her to be partnering with the Cup. In a way, 608 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: it's not though, because she is known for her fashion, 609 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: and that was her role at the Cup was to 610 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: talk about the fashion. Oh I'm not saying she shouldn't 611 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: have been there, And I was going to say, I 612 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: do remember attending an event in Adelaide for the Racing 613 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: Carnival and she was there, and she was also the 614 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: face of Adelaide's Racing Carnival. But I think that there 615 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: is an interesting shift in fashion. So I did see 616 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: that there were I can't remember their name, but there 617 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: were two big vegan fashion designers and they said that 618 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: they have completely boycotted the Cup. And there seems to 619 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 1: be this trend in the fashion industry that people are 620 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: no longer promoting race wear because they don't want their 621 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: brand to be aligned with this event. So I do 622 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: think we will see models like Olivia Rodgers and Jesse 623 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,239 Speaker 1: Murphy perhaps rethinking their decision to be a face of 624 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: an event like this. It's such a hard it's not 625 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: cool anymore. It's such a hard one because it's a 626 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: really good opportunity for these women to be front and 627 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: center of a Cup carnival like this. In terms of 628 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: the promotion, so many people around the world do tune in. 629 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: But as you said, I think with the rise in 630 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: social media, people are saying we don't like the Melbourne Cup. 631 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: This is cruel and I feel like you know, in 632 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: the past, as you said, we've been to Cup celebrations, 633 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: but now I probably wouldn't attend. 634 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: I wouldn't feel comfortable. 635 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: I do think the shift has been so swift though, 636 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: Like I didn't even expect it to be like this 637 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: this year, so it is hard for those people that 638 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: are on the other side of it, that attended the 639 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: event that are now copying it. I don't think we 640 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: should be sending hate towards those people or judging them 641 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: at all. On the other hand, do you guys think 642 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: there's a bit of virtue signaling going on on Instagram 643 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 1: and regarding the Cup. I definitely do agree with that, 644 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: and not to say it's a bad thing for people 645 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: to be sharing that messaging, but I do think people's 646 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: actions need to be in line with the messaging that 647 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: they do share. It's not to say because I saw 648 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people saying, oh, well, you can't share 649 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: that if you're not vegan. I definitely don't agree with that, 650 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: but I do think your actions need to align with 651 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,959 Speaker 1: what you do moving forward. 652 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: You are your way, darling, You are like the state 653 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 3: insignificant asscare. 654 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: Instagram is making a play for the gen zed market. 655 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: After recent survey results revealed teens ranked Instagram as their 656 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: third favorite social media site, below Snapchat and TikTok, there 657 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: are fears that Instagram will follow Facebook's footsteps, losing touch 658 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: with the ever growing younger audience. Amy, can you tell 659 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: us how seriously Instagram is taking this threat? Yeah, well, 660 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: this year, Instagram directed the majority of its three hundred 661 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: and ninety million dollar marketing budget towards the gen Z market. 662 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: So there are concerns that young people will start to 663 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,959 Speaker 1: leave Instagram a bit like they did with Facebook. 664 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 2: So you guys will. 665 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: Remember that in twenty ten there were signs of Facebook 666 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: losing appeal with teens, with reports showing fewer young people 667 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: were signing on, and of course the over fifty fives 668 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: were signing on in their droves then, and this led 669 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: Facebook to purchase Instagram in twenty twelve, and since then, 670 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: Facebook has been dubbed boomer book. So now their if 671 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: is that Instagram is at risk of being labeled millennial gram. 672 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: I feel personally offended by that term millennial gram. 673 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: I feel like this whole episode's just going for you. 674 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 2: So is there a. 675 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: Problem with it being a millennial gram though, like, why 676 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: can't we have all our platforms that we choose. 677 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 2: To do we write want something separate from gender. 678 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: The thing is there's I suppose it's because if you 679 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: look at it from a marketing perspective, everybody wants to 680 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: market to teens and they want to have that general 681 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: flow where the teens will continue to use Instagram. So 682 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: so if you mentioned Snapchat and TikTok were ranked as 683 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: the two most popular social media platforms above Instagram, I'm 684 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: really interested to know which one was number one. I 685 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: thought for sure it was going to be TikTok, but 686 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: surprisingly Snapchat was ranked. 687 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 2: The most popular app. 688 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: So thirty four percent of teens said that Snapchat was 689 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: their favorite social media platform, and thirty percent said they 690 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: preferred TikTok, and twenty two percent said Instagram was their favorite. Now, 691 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: I reckon Snapchat is the most popular because I think 692 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: there'd be a lot of teenagers who like the fact 693 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: that it's secretive. You're kind of somewhat not anonymous on there, 694 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: but you know, you're not putting out something to get 695 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: dragged down. It's just really about it's your friends. Also, 696 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: at the same time, while I think a lot of 697 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: young kids love TikTok, I don't actually think that they 698 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: like creating their own content for it. 699 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 700 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a report I remember a few months 701 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: ago that said that the reason kids really like Snapchat 702 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: is because they are kind of reverting back to becoming 703 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: a bit more private. They don't think it's as cool 704 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: to share all these details about yourself. Well, also their 705 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: parents can't see what they're posting either. Yeah. Do you 706 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: think this means that TikTok might not have the longevity 707 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: that we all think it will, and that younger people 708 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: are going to go against sharing things online and we 709 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: might see the likes of TikTok and Instagram only being 710 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: used by content creators. So it's a bit more of 711 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: an entertainment platform as opposed to a social media platform 712 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: where people are sharing their own gosh. I think there's 713 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: always going to be people who want to share and 714 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: they see an opportunity to promote themselves online. Well, also think, 715 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: as you touched on o Kate, I think that people 716 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: may start seeing these platforms is purely something to make 717 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: money on and something that entertainers use. 718 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: Now, Amy, how. 719 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: Is Instagram making a play at the team market? Well, 720 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: in September this year, Instagram announced the next chapter in 721 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: Instagram's brand story. So it's campaign is called that Yours 722 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: to Make, and it aims to showcase how you can 723 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: explore who you are with Instagram. So they used hip 724 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: hop artist Topaz Jones, makeup artists Madrona Redhawk, and digital 725 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: creator Justin Ye in their video campaigns. And I feel 726 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: like this is a great start because I have no 727 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: idea who any of these people are, so obviously it's 728 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: they're aiming this at a gen Z market. So this 729 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: week in the UK, Instagram is set to launch an 730 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: installation at London's Sachi Gallery and it will consist of 731 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: motion art installations and it's set to portray a digital 732 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: portrait of British British youth culture through Instagram reels. So 733 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: fifty gen Z creators have been picked and Instagram is 734 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: also inviting users to submit reels about their own journey 735 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: of self discovery using the hashtag yours to Make. 736 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: I don't get it, So how are young kids exploring themselves? 737 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 3: What? 738 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: They're just making videos about themselves? 739 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are going to be playing at this art gallery. 740 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 2: Oh sorry, but I don't really think the teenagers are 741 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: going to do this. 742 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: I think that, as we said, as we touched on 743 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: with the fact that Snapchat is their most favorite social 744 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: media app, they're not going to want to put themselves 745 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: out like that. Can you imagine as a teenager at 746 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: our school making a reel of self exploration? But also 747 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: I think they've really missed the mark with this marketing 748 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: ca pain because what gen Zeta goes to the art gallery. 749 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: It just seems extremely very bad gen Zetter, isn't it. 750 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: I think it's very try hard, similar to the Pandora 751 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: campaign that we discussed a couple of weeks ago. It 752 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: seems like they've just googled, like what do gen zeters like? 753 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: And they've taken it again too literally about this self 754 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: discovery and you know, I think it's going to be 755 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: a bit of a flop, to be honest exactly. And 756 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: on the topic of Instagram, this week, the Business Insider 757 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: revealed just how much money the app is offering influencers 758 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: as incentives for sharing reels. So this is obviously another 759 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: attempt to challenge the popularity of TikTok so. According to 760 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: the publication, influencers can make between five hundred to thirty 761 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars for simply sharing reels. So do you 762 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: mean that Instagram is paying them to share them? 763 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 764 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: So firstly, in order to make money, you actually need 765 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: to be granted access to this bonus program, so not 766 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: everybody can just make money. 767 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 2: So this program was actually launched in July the. 768 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: Year and in order to make something like thirty five 769 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, you have to be getting a lot of 770 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: views on your reels. So in order to get that, 771 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: they've said you need around fifty eight million views on. 772 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,919 Speaker 2: Your reels in one month. Is that an accumulative fit? Yeah, 773 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 2: on all your reals. 774 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: So this is the first time a social media app 775 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: has actually paid influences or incentivized them to post. That 776 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: clearly shows that Facebook and Instagram know how integral influencers 777 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: are to their longevity. Which is really interesting because a 778 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: couple of years ago when they got rid of likes 779 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: and we thought that they were trying to eliminate influencers 780 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: from the platform, but now it seems like they are 781 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: trying to keep them happy. It's a bit of a 782 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: chicken or the egg though, because influencers need Instagram just 783 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: as much as Instagram needs them. They do have the 784 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: option to go across to TikTok. However, they're starting from 785 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: scratch again in terms of followers, and the content is 786 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: very different. I think you have to put a lot 787 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: more effort in too TikTok content and you do for Instagram. 788 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: I think this is all pretty interesting when you also 789 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: think about all the negative press Instagram has gotten recently 790 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: about trying to launch a kid's version of their app, 791 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: which has been put on pause after the backclash they receive. Well, 792 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: a spokesperson for Instagram said that the goal here is 793 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: to help as many emerging creators make money in the 794 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: long run. In general, we work on personalized bonuses. The 795 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: amount of bonuses and the number of plays allows creators 796 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: to make meaningful money in an achievable and transparent way. 797 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: Do you guys believe that they really want to help 798 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: influencers make money or is it that they're trying to 799 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: keep them and their audience on the app one hundred percent? 800 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: This is not about making money for the creators. It 801 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: is about staying relevant with young people. Well, I think 802 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: that's all we have time for today. Thank you so 803 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: much for joining us for this episode. 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