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Speaker 1: This is gem Nation with.

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Speaker 2: Where you had me an undercover spy or assassin.

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Speaker 3: I didn't, I said, I said dark Secret, Oh, dark secret. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you're right. I'm talking about a TV show I

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Speaker 3: watched as a kid. Did you used to watch The

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Speaker 3: Gong Show? It was fronted by a guy called Chuck

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Speaker 3: Barris who was a very famous American kind of comedian,

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Speaker 3: TV entrepreneur, kind of crazy guy. And the show was

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Speaker 3: what you'd expect. People would come on with acts and

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Speaker 3: the panel of celebrities would gone, here's a snippet, ladies,

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Speaker 3: and gentleman Vanessa Welsh dear constime in a bottle.

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Speaker 1: She's good.

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Speaker 4: It begat red faces.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: They nicked it from that.

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Speaker 1: From that The Gong Show? Did you used to watch it?

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Speaker 1: It was on after school.

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Speaker 2: I think I think I think it was just I

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Speaker 2: think I might have just missed it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was sort of sixties and seventies. But Chuck

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Speaker 3: Barris was a huge usually, hugely famous American star.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: He wrote a book of his memoir which he finally

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Speaker 3: called Confessions of a Dangerous Mind and Unauthorized Biography, and

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Speaker 3: he claims that he had a hidden life as a

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Speaker 3: CIA Assassin. Really imagine that the CIA has emphatically denied

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Speaker 3: that he worked for the spy agency.

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Speaker 1: But that's what they do.

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Speaker 4: That's so sad.

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Speaker 3: Well, all kinds of people apparently in those days, were

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Speaker 3: working for the CIA. It was using pop culture was

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Speaker 3: an interesting way of getting your message across and disturbing

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Speaker 3: the tight security of Russia. For example, you know the

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Speaker 3: band the Scorpions and their famous song Wins of Change.

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Speaker 4: This song.

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Speaker 3: Apparently I heard a whole podcast about this. Scorpions were

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Speaker 3: working for the CIA, and they traveled all through Russia,

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Speaker 3: all through the Eastern Bloc to give young people a

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Speaker 3: taste of American life and the winds of change and

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Speaker 3: to start disturbances to start from thinking about uprising.

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Speaker 1: Wow, interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: So there's all those old spies in the Cold War,

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Speaker 3: but this was another way of doing it.

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Speaker 2: These are old spies wearing leather and smelling like weed.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and doing spy exchanges in the mist love all that,

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Speaker 3: But these, as you say, were sort of these rock

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Speaker 3: versions of that. So Chuck Barris back to him, back

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Speaker 3: to this quirky TV host, Assassin, so weird. He apparently

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Speaker 3: was politically active. People have tried to get to the

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Speaker 3: bottom of the story. He has passed away and has

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Speaker 3: never disputed his claim. So people say he was politically active,

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Speaker 3: But I'm not comfortable to think that Chuck killed all

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Speaker 3: those innocent people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it would be a bit confronting.

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Speaker 3: But they say the CIA in those days would go

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Speaker 3: to people that were traveling around the world for TV

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Speaker 3: shows and have them do counter intelligence. It would be

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Speaker 3: like us finding out that Darryl Summers was working for ASIO.

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Speaker 2: Imagine that Daryl comes to your door there, what.

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Speaker 1: Would be his secret weapon? How would he kill you?

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Speaker 4: Down's at the door, but over you begging to be shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Daryl, you're killing me.

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Speaker 4: It's working.

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Speaker 1: You can stop.

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Speaker 4: It's working. You could be a.

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Speaker 2: Spy, me me, me, No, don't look at my boot,

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Speaker 2: don't look.

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Speaker 1: In my boot.

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Speaker 4: Except you'd be terrible.

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Speaker 1: I would be terrible. I can't follow directions, I can't

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Speaker 1: keep a secret. I would be terrible. I'd have told

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Speaker 1: you by now that.

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Speaker 2: I was a shoot yourself in the foot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I poisoned myself because eat all your cyanide.

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Speaker 4: Man, You've eaten all the hungry. I was hungry