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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Bachelor Golden

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Speaker 1: couple Georgia Love and Lee Elliot confirm their marriage is over.

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Speaker 1: Tommy Fury lands his own documentary, Georgie Stephenson is forced

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Speaker 1: to defend her conception Timeline, and Courtney Kardashian hits back

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Speaker 1: at rumors she's a grandma but first og influencer Gretti

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Speaker 1: Rose has thrown serious shade at her former bestie Ashy

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Speaker 1: Binds and reignited interest in their historic friendship breakdown. Now Sophie,

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Speaker 1: every week there seems to be an old friend taking

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Speaker 1: Amy Ashy. Yeah, hasn't been a great start to the

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Speaker 1: year for her. She had that very public falling out

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Speaker 1: with her former podcast host Kiara Durro and following that

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Speaker 1: bust up, Kiara caught up for drinks with some of

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Speaker 1: Ashey's former friends, which included Sammy Leo, Gretti Rose, and

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Speaker 1: nat Roland to all swap stories about their experience with Ashy,

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Speaker 1: and they of course splashed that catch up all over

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Speaker 1: social media to get their followers talking. Well, there have

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Speaker 1: been rumors of a rift between Ashy and Gretty since

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: They used to be permanent fixtures on each other's social channels.

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Speaker 1: They even appeared in best friend tag videos on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: and they tried to dress up like twins at one

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Speaker 1: point because everyone pointed out that they looked very similar.

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Speaker 1: You know, the friendship's gone to the next level when

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Speaker 1: you're dressing the same. They also seem to support each

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Speaker 1: other a lot in business, so they seem to collaborate

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Speaker 1: on their clothing brands together. But then suddenly in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, things went really quiet between them and they

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Speaker 1: stopped appearing in each other's content, and then the dirty

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Speaker 1: unfollow happened, which is always a sign that something's gone

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Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. Yeah, the unfollow is a big thing,

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Speaker 1: especially in the social media world. That is friendship over Well.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like putting out a pr statement saying, look,

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Speaker 1: I want everyone to know that we're not friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, doing this very publicly.

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Speaker 1: Solf launching the friendship breakdown. Yeah, and this was really

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Speaker 1: huge because Gretty and Ashy had been friends for well

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Speaker 1: over seven years. They even lived together before Ashe got married,

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Speaker 1: and Gretti had really built her following through Ashey's channels because,

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Speaker 1: as I said, she was a permanent fixture on her

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. She was also a guest fitness instructor on

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Speaker 1: Ashy's Booty Tour, so she really did grow her profile

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Speaker 1: true befriending Ashi and no one really knows what caused

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Speaker 1: this rift because both women haven't publicly spoken about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there is a lot of speculation that the

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Speaker 1: falling out was perhaps over business. It was around the

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Speaker 1: same time that a riff started developing between Ashy and

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Speaker 1: her other bestie, Sammy Leo, So they appeared to fall

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Speaker 1: out over a business decision because Ashe's brand, Hideaway, released

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Speaker 1: a lip balm which Sammy deemed to be very similar

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Speaker 1: to her lip balm brand, which is called Breeze Balm.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't that just sound like an influencer problem, like my

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Speaker 1: lip balm is so similar to yours. Well, Sammy ended

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Speaker 1: up sharing a meme which said you know you're winning

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Speaker 1: when you're being copied, and that was after ash released

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Speaker 1: her Hideaway lip bum. So it was all very controversial

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Speaker 1: at the time. I think one of our most asked

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Speaker 1: questions on Instagram is what happened between Ashy and Sammy Leo.

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Speaker 1: Everyone wants us to do a deep dive. Maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: have to do one. Well, we might have to get

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Speaker 1: in contact with Samuy Leo and ash she'd actually find

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Speaker 1: out what's gone down because it seems all very secretive. Well,

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Speaker 1: it really seems that this catch up between all of

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Speaker 1: Ashey's former friends has spurred the women on to take

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Speaker 1: further potshots at Ashy. So on Sunday, Gretty took part

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Speaker 1: in a viral TikTok trend which is all about confronting

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Speaker 1: that one girl. So in the video, she mimed to

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Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar's disk track not Like Us, which is rumored

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Speaker 2: He keeps popping up on the show. And in the

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Speaker 2: caption it.

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Speaker 1: Said, I want to confront that one girl, but you

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Speaker 1: know they will never admit they're wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that girl.

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Speaker 1: It was very clear off the bat who Gretty was

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Speaker 1: referring to. I mean she only has eleven thousand followers

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Speaker 1: on TikTok. This video garnered over two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: women for taking a step away from Ashi. Gretty went

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Speaker 1: as far as tagging Sammy Leo in the comment section

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Speaker 1: just to make sure she didn't miss out on the drama,

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Speaker 1: whilst Kiara Durrow, Ash's former podcast host commented with three

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Speaker 1: clapping hands, what a burn. This also seemed to spur

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Speaker 1: Kiara on to create her own video, so she also

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Speaker 1: actually led to one of Ashe's friends, Meg, hitting out

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Speaker 1: in the comments section, so she wrote to Kiara, it's

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Speaker 1: so gross to see a video designed to stir up hate.

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Speaker 1: Social media has enough negativity, why add to it. If

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Speaker 1: your content relies on toxic comments for engagement, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: time for a new approach. Kiara replied, saying, feel free

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Speaker 1: in a couple of years to reach back out when

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Speaker 1: you're in the same boat.

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Speaker 2: But I wish you the best.

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Speaker 1: Now both women have turned off the comments on their videos.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming for legal reasons. I would actually pay so

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Speaker 1: much money to be a fly on the wall a

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Speaker 1: meeting between Ashy and her lawyer trying to explain this trend.

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Speaker 1: I think the trend seemed to backfire a bit on

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Speaker 1: Gretty and Kiara because there was a very mixed reaction.

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Speaker 1: Some followers love to be in on the drama and

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Speaker 1: the tea, and they were desperate for the women to

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Speaker 1: go into more details about their bust up with Ashi,

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Speaker 1: whilst a lot of members in our Facebook community seem

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Speaker 1: to share the same sentiment that the women should move on.

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Speaker 1: One listener wrote, there's nothing to talk about or any

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Speaker 1: tea if they're not sharing more information. We've all seen

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Speaker 1: Ashy's true colors. It's kind of boring now, whilst another said, sorry,

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Speaker 1: but it's childish. They are grown women. What a waste

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Speaker 1: of time and negative energy. I kind of get where

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Speaker 1: they're coming from, because even though these women might be

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Speaker 1: they're ganging up on her. Yeah, it seems like a

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Speaker 1: Ashy as being the Goliath and the others as being

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Speaker 1: the David in the situation, because I mean, ash is

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Speaker 1: power in that situation, So I feel like they think

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Speaker 1: Also think that there's a bit more sympathy going Ashy's

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Speaker 1: let's just move on and get over it. Well, we

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Speaker 1: spoke last week about the Michaela Testa drama and how

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Speaker 1: a lot of the back and forth between her and

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Speaker 1: her former friend had.

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Speaker 2: Just muddied the water.

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Speaker 1: That's what I see with these kind of tiktoks, because

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Speaker 1: you're not really making any claims against her. You're sort

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Speaker 1: of just stirring the pot with a dog whistle. Isn't

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Speaker 1: it the ashually to react to it? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: enjoy the gossip and the tea, but I can see

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Speaker 1: why other people are saying look, just move on.

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Speaker 2: That's the moment I met my husband.

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Speaker 1: After months of speculation, a bachelor Golden couple, Georgia Love

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Speaker 1: and Lee Elliott, have confirmed their marriage is over. The couple,

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Speaker 1: who were together for nine years, shared identical statements on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: emphasizing there was no drama or bad blood between them now,

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Speaker 1: So this news didn't come as a shop to the public. No,

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Speaker 1: there have been persistent rumors for months now that their

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Speaker 1: relationship was on the rocks, because Georgia and Lee hadn't

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Speaker 1: months on socials. Another massive giveaway was that they had

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Speaker 1: both stopped wearing their wedding bands, and they also didn't

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Speaker 1: spend Christmas together now. Rumors really intensified in the new

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Speaker 1: year when Georgia embarked on a solo trip to New

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Speaker 1: her husband Lee was now At the time, She shut

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Speaker 1: down the rumors, saying she was incredibly tired of the

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Speaker 1: questions and that he's simply at home while she's there

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Speaker 1: visiting a friend. She went as far as saying we

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Speaker 1: didn't split. Actually, best to stop speculating, least of all

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Speaker 1: on my own page. If I had anything to tell you,

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Speaker 1: I would do so myself. Well, it's quite clear that

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Speaker 1: they've been trialing a separation before making it official. And

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Speaker 1: this is a massive decision for anybody, let alone when

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Speaker 1: you've met on the Bachelor and everybody is so invested

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Speaker 1: going out for nine years, they've been married for four.

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Speaker 2: This is a really sad story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be so tough navigating it all in

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Speaker 1: So ultimately, I think that they wanted to give their

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Speaker 1: maybe to see if spending time apart was the right

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Speaker 1: decision for them. Well, on Friday night, they pulled the pin,

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Speaker 1: as you said, and they announced their split with identical

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Speaker 1: statements on their Instagram stories. So Georgia's statement read, after

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Speaker 1: nine wonderful years together, including four as husband and wife,

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Speaker 1: Lee and I have made the incredibly difficult decision to

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Speaker 1: lovingly part ways. Our relationship has been so special and

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Speaker 1: we will always cherish the memories, love and laughter we've

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Speaker 1: shared There is no drama, no bad blood, just two

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Speaker 1: people who have grown in different directions while still holding

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Speaker 1: and thank you for giving us privacy as we navigate

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Speaker 1: the next stage. Although I knew this was coming, I

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Speaker 1: couldn't help but feel so sad. They were one of

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Speaker 1: the Bachelor's biggest success stories and they seemed like a

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Speaker 1: really genuine couple. They seem to compliment each other really well,

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Speaker 1: and for me, it feels like their wedding was only yesterday,

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Speaker 1: because I remember they were supposed to have this European

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Speaker 1: they had a beautiful wedding in Hobart, where Georgia used

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Speaker 1: to work as a journal Well, their wedding anniversary is

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Speaker 1: this is why they've made this announcement, because yeah, there

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Speaker 1: would have been a lot of speculation about, well, why

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Speaker 1: haven't they posted something about their anniversary. Did find the

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Speaker 1: wording of the statement very interesting. I mean, it's clear

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Speaker 1: that they've spent a lot of time agonizing over getting

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Speaker 1: the wording perfect and making sure, it's clear to the

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Speaker 1: public that this is simply a case of them growing

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Speaker 1: apart and there's you know, no other parties involved. But

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Speaker 1: I thought it was weird how they said that they

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Speaker 1: lovingly are partying ways, because if you end your relationship,

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Speaker 1: it's generally because you've fallen out of love with someone.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this. I feel like this. They were

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Speaker 2: trying to put a bit too much mayo.

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Speaker 1: I sell it to a lot of people to believe

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Speaker 3: The secrets out there now. Me and the BBC have

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Speaker 1: over TikTok, and a lot of creators started sharing reaction videos,

436
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 1: and many people were shocked at the prospect the Courtney

437
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 1: cut ashy and could be a grammar at just forty five.

438
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Speaker 1: I remember it was such a shock when she got

439
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Speaker 1: pregnant with Mason, because she and her sister Chloe had

440
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 1: just launched Courtney and Chloe Take Miami, and it was

441
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 1: meant to be about them being single and meeting new

442
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 1: people after she had split from Scott, But of course

443
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 1: she and Scott ended up having Mason together. Yeah, was

444
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 1: sort of ruined a few of their storylines, didn't it.

445
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Speaker 2: It was crazy to think if they had TikTok then.

446
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Speaker 1: I just can't believe that Mason is fifteen years old,

447
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: because I feel like we've been seeing all these old

448
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: paparazzi images of him as a child, like just in kids' clothes,

449
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is bullshit. There is absolutely

450
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: no way that he could have fathered this child. But

451
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: then there were some main street media publications who started

452
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 1: sharing peace pictures of him looking much older, and I thought,

453
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Speaker 1: maybe it's a possibility.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

455
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 2: And something that.

456
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 1: Seemed to fan this rumor even more was that Chris

457
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: Jennet allegedly gifted a gingerbread house to the Barkers over

458
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: Christmas with the name Piper on it, and this has

459
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: become a Christmas tradition for the Kardashians. She gives these

460
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: elaborate gingerbread houses, and people are convinced that she'd personalized

461
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Speaker 1: one with Piper.

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Speaker 2: I want to see the screenshots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well. The rumors also coincided with Scott Distick opening

464
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Speaker 1: up about Mason on Chloe Kardashian's podcast. He told Chloe

465
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: Mason started to really like girls, and obviously girls like him.

466
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Speaker 1: I just said, you can do whatever you want, just

467
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: don't lie and don't manipulate any girls. So if a

468
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Speaker 1: girl tells you she wants to maybe do something with

469
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Speaker 1: you and like hook up or whatever. If she knows

470
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Speaker 1: that you're not in a relationship with her, don't tell

471
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: her you were just going to get something out of her.

472
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people read into that commentary

473
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Speaker 1: from Scott because I mean, Scott was such a ladies

474
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Speaker 1: man on keeping up with the Kardashians. He was often

475
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 1: caught out cheating on Courtney, and I think people think, oh, gosh,

476
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: is Mason a little Scott now, Like is he mimicking

477
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 1: his dad's behavior. I thought the Kardashians would kind of

478
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: not be enjoying this rumor, but a lot of people

479
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: have been saying that they aren't in the zeitgeist anymore.

480
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 1: No one really cares about them. They're not big news,

481
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: Like apparently the search is for Kim Kardashian a drastically

482
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: down at the moment. Their new show doesn't seem to

483
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: be going well, no one really cares about it. But

484
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe this is true, and maybe this

485
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 1: is a way for them to get attention and it's

486
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: going to be a future storyline. There have been some

487
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: pretty wild rumors floating around, and one of those is

488
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Speaker 1: that the Kardashian family have leaked this story about Mason

489
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 1: in order to divert attention away from Travis Barker's daughter Alabama.

490
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know much about herself, but

491
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: there's been so much on TikTok and also so much

492
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: in the press about this few that Alabama is having

493
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Speaker 1: with a rapp called Bad Barbie. I mean, it's getting

494
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: very nasty. So the latest is that Bad Barbie has

495
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: accused Alabama of getting pregnant to wrap it Tiger, which

496
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: is super awkward when you know the connection with the

497
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: Kardashian family. Yeah, because Kylie Jenna dated Tiger when she

498
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: was just seventeen years old, and then Tiger also shares

499
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: a baby with Rob Kardashian's baby Mama Black China, So

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00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean it kind of would make sense, though he

501
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: seems to like the family wants to be part of it. Well.

502
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 1: Alabama and Tiger have both denied these rumors. I mean,

503
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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty wild to think that someone like

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Speaker 1: Chris Jenna, the grandmother of Mason, would come out and

505
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: be like, wait a sec, we're going to just throw

506
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: Mason under the bus and make up this fake rumor

507
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 1: that he's got a secret child. I really don't think

508
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: that Chris Jenna would sell her grandson out like that.

509
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: I think that they'd be trying to avoid any pregnancy rumors.

510
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: And it's pretty clear that this rumor has really affected

511
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Speaker 1: Courtney Kardashian and her family, because she addressed the rumors

512
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: on Monday and wrote on Instagram. I rarely address rumors

513
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: or conspiracies regarding myself or my family, but this is

514
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: about my child and it feels wrong to let anyone

515
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: think for a second that these lives are remotely true.

516
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: They are not. Mason does not have a child. These

517
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: accounts that pretend to be him are definitely not.

518
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: They are fake.

519
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: My son really values his privacy, and I'm asking all

520
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: media to please be respectful. He is a kid with

521
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: feelings and a beautiful life ahead of him. Please stop

522
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: spreading false narratives and spinning lies. And to all the

523
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: other people making videos about my kids, who by the way,

524
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: are miners, please stop and leave them alone. This whole

525
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: tobacle reminds me a lot of the Cape Middleton saga

526
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: on TikTok, where all those videos started spreading and then

527
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: everyone started buying into them. I think another reason why

528
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: so many people were quick to believe these rumors is

529
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: because Mason has been known to go rogue on Instagram before,

530
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: because back in twenty twenty, he made up an Instagram

531
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: live and started answering fan questions, and one of the

532
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: questions he answered was was his auntie Kylie back with

533
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: Travis Scott and he said, no, they're not back together.

534
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: It does disturb me, though, that these type of rumors

535
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: can spread like wildfire on TikTok and people just start

536
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: to believe them as fat. I mean the fact that

537
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: a lot of mainstream media were printing these accusations as well,

538
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: purely because someone's jumped on TikTok and said, oh yeah,

539
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: this must be true, like someone's set of a fake

540
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: account for a fifteen year old.

541
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Speaker 2: Where is the proof?

542
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: I think it says a lot about journalism ethics as well,

543
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: because this is a minor. At the end of the day,

544
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's a celebrities child or not.

545
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: They're posting untrue allegations as if facts. Well, a lot

546
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: of people have said they think it's ridiculous that Courtney's

547
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: come out asking for privacy when she plasters her children

548
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: on her social media channel and also on a TV show,

549
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: so she plasters them all over social media. I think

550
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: sharing a photo of your child isn't plastering. They mean

551
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: that they've been their whole lives, have been on TV

552
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: on the poast. Doesn't it mean that people can make

553
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: up vicious rumors about your fifteen year old fathering a child.

554
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have this theory with pregnancy.

555
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: After a lengthy fertility journey, Georgie Stevenson has revealed she's

556
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Speaker 1: pregnant with her second child. While most followers were elated

557
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 1: by the exciting news, the entrepreneur was forced to defend

558
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: her conception timeline. Now, so before we get into it,

559
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: can you tell us more about Georgie's fertility journey. Yeah,

560
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: She's always been very open with her followers about her

561
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: struggles to conceive, and before she gave birth to her daughter, Ivy,

562
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 1: Georgie was actually told that she was infertile due to

563
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: thyroid complications, but she ended up falling pregnant after eight

564
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: months of trying to conceive. Now, very sadly, she did

565
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: suffer a miscarriage, but then went on to have Ivy

566
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Speaker 1: in late twenty twenty one. After going through IUI yeah.

567
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Speaker 1: And at the end of last year, Georgie also revealed

568
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: that she and her husband Tim had been trying for

569
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: a baby since the beginning of the year, but were

570
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: having trouble. In a candid reel, she shared a compilation

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Speaker 1: of diary entries she'd filmed throughout the year, where she

572
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Speaker 1: spoke about the toll the journey was taking on her

573
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Speaker 1: mental health. In the Captain of the Real, Georgie confessed

574
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: she was feeling exhausted and defeated.

575
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: Super disappointing. I also feel into the bruiser. I also

576
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: feel like quite sick. My doctor said, like never in

577
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: his career just happened to a patient and he just

578
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 2: feels so devastated for us.

579
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: Now, Georgie actually wasn't going to share that real until

580
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: she fell pregnant, but thought, well, it's going to help

581
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: other people going through a similar thing. I'll be vulnerable

582
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: and I will share it whilst I'm going through the journey.

583
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: And I think that was a really.

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00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: Good decision by Georgie because it would have helped so

585
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: many people feel less alone. Now, if we fast forward

586
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: three months, Georgie announced the exciting news that she is

587
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: pregnant with her second child. The couple shared a gorgeous

588
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: photo shoot and also a video showing their reactions to

589
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: the positive pregnancy test. I was so happy for them

590
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: when this post popped up. It was a really special moment,

591
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: particularly knowing just what they'd been through and how special

592
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: it was for them. And while most of Georgie's followers

593
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: were ecstatic for her, one follower wrote, wait, so when

594
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: you post in December crying in your car that you

595
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: weren't pregnant, you actually were pregnant, whilst others chimed in

596
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: saying she must have been lying. My god, I just

597
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: don't know what would bring you to write something like

598
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: that on somebody's pregnancy announcement. And I was really happy

599
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: because Georgie came online and she shut down the allegations

600
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: straight away.

601
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: So she shared a.

602
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: Screenshot of the comment to her Instagram story and wrote,

603
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: also to those trying to catch me out for posting

604
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: our infertility journey and accusing me of lying or whatever, Guys,

605
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: please start being obsessed with your own life, not mine.

606
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, here are the receipts because you

607
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: seemed really worried about it. So she went on to

608
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: share the receipts, which were screenshots of the dates the

609
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: content was taken, and it turns out that the real

610
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: she shared about her fertility journey was uploaded on the

611
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: third of December, while she took the pregnancy test on

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00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: the eleventh of December. So she went on to write, like,

613
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: I get it. What a crazy miracle that I finally

614
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: posted about our infertility after twelve months then got pregnant

615
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: that month. Talk about the energy of divine timing, surrender,

616
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: and detachment. I also understand that maybe triggering if you're

617
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: going through your own stuff, but surely you can just

618
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: be happy for a family finally getting their miracle baby.

619
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: She then wanted to say that she understands that people

620
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: are curious and she will share more on her podcast

621
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: and YouTube about their journey and offered people to DM

622
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: her if they had any questions. It is really sad

623
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: because often when influencers put up their pregnancy announcements, a

624
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: lot of people do get triggered who are going through

625
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: these fertility journeys, and you can see why people lash out,

626
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: But in this instance, it just seems really unfair because

627
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: all of her followers knew she had struggled previously.

628
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: To conceive it.

629
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: Seems like a bit of misplaced digression in some instances,

630
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: And I just think that we really need to encourage

631
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: people to speak openly about their fertility struggles. And it's

632
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: really concerning to me that people are attacking a woman

633
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: over being vulnerable about her fertility journey.

634
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: Like trying to catch her out.

635
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, why are we trying to catch someone out?

636
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, she was vulnerable enough to open up about

637
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: it and on numerous occasions and share about her miscarriage

638
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: and share about her struggles. And then we say, oh,

639
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: hold in a second, you were lying to us the

640
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: whole time, even if she did post when she knew

641
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: that she was pregnant, which isn't the case.

642
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 2: Who fucking cares well.

643
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: It's also like, can we just give her the benefit

644
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: of the doubt, because, I mean, the accusation seems to

645
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: be that she's using this her infertility struggles to get

646
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: views or lives. Dog Stevenson doesn't need to do that.

647
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: That's not really what her content's about any more. Her

648
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: content is more about business and also about her courses

649
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. She doesn't need that content

650
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: to do well. I just think people need to stop

651
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: being dickheads online, like there should just be a no

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Speaker 1: dickhead rule in the comment section, which I suppose there

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Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be much engagement online anymore. But I think

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Speaker 1: that is all we have time for today. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us for this episode. If you

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Speaker 1: have enjoyed it, could you please make sure you are

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Speaker 1: subscribed on Apple Podcasts and also Spotify. This episode was

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Speaker 1: recorded on the traditional land of the Guana people of

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Speaker 1: the Adelaide Plains.

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Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present,