WEBVTT - 2023: The year that was

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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<v Speaker 1>Bunjelung Kalkotin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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<v Speaker 1>that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

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<v Speaker 1>Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres

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<v Speaker 1>Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the

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<v Speaker 1>first peoples of these countries, both past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily Os. It's Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty second of December. I'm Sam, I'm Zara. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been a big year of news in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Daily ODS has been there every step of

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<v Speaker 2>the way, following the big stories, explaining the big ideas

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<v Speaker 2>and introducing you to the main characters. On today's podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>Zara and I are going to reflect on the year

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<v Speaker 2>that was, break down some of our biggest moments, the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that we'll happily remember and the ones we'd rather forget,

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<v Speaker 2>and look into the crystal ball and give you some

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<v Speaker 2>predictions for the year ahead. We're going to get to

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<v Speaker 2>that little prophecy session later, but first, Aurah, what's making

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<v Speaker 2>headlines this morning?

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<v Speaker 3>The Bruce Lehman defamation trial will finish today, with closing

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<v Speaker 3>arguments heard this week. The defamation case was brought by

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<v Speaker 3>Lerman against Network ten and its journalist Lisa Wilkinson over

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<v Speaker 3>an interview with former Liberal staffer Britney Higgins, who alleged

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<v Speaker 3>Lehman sexually assaulted her in Parliament House in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Lehman denies those allegations and brought the case against Network ten,

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<v Speaker 3>News Corp. And ABC before settling with the latter two outlets.

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<v Speaker 3>A final decision in the case will be made by

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<v Speaker 3>Federal Court Justice Michael Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>Bushfires continue to burn northeast of Perth, with total firebands

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<v Speaker 2>declared for the area and emergency warnings in place. Firefighters

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<v Speaker 2>remain on the scene with aerial support assisting crew on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground. An evacuation center has been set up and

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<v Speaker 2>homes and businesses in the area are left without power.

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<v Speaker 3>Warner Brothers could be looking to merge with Paramount, That's

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<v Speaker 3>according to US outlet Axios. According to that report, the

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<v Speaker 3>chief executives of both companies met this week to discuss

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<v Speaker 3>a pertent merger. The market value of Warner Brothers currently

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<v Speaker 3>sits at around forty three billion Australian dollars, while paramount

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<v Speaker 3>is around fifteen billion Australian dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And today's good news they simply cannot be stopped. The

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<v Speaker 2>Matildas have sold out their twelfth consecutive home match. The

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<v Speaker 2>upcoming round three of the Asian qualifiers for the Paris

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four Olympics has sold out after the pre

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<v Speaker 2>sale on Mondays or twenty five thousand tickets sell in

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<v Speaker 2>four hours. The game in Melbourne will see over fifty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people watch the Matilda's play on the twenty eighth

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<v Speaker 2>of February against Uzbekistan.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, Sam, I've prepared a couple of questions to

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<v Speaker 3>prompt us on our reflections of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>What a year. It's been a big one.

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<v Speaker 3>It has been a big one. But I also feel

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<v Speaker 3>like by the end of the year, you forget what

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<v Speaker 3>happened at the beginning of the year, You forget what

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<v Speaker 3>happened in the middle of the year, and then suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>you're consumed by the events of the last month or

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<v Speaker 3>something and it kind of outweighs everything else. So I've

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<v Speaker 3>got a couple of ideas, and I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you the first one because I want to start on

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<v Speaker 3>a high, love it, and go backwards from there and

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully also on a high. Okay, Sam, yeh, what was

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<v Speaker 3>your best good news story of twenty twenty three?

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<v Speaker 2>I think if I am to think about the moments

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<v Speaker 2>where I felt the best about the news, it would

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<v Speaker 2>be watching the Matilda's go as far as they dealt well.

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<v Speaker 2>So expected from you, I know, but I think it

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be put in content. Also, sorry, can I

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<v Speaker 2>interrupt you?

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<v Speaker 3>We did this podcast a year ago, actually on someone

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<v Speaker 3>else's podcast, and your prediction for twenty twenty three was

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<v Speaker 3>that the Matildas would be the big good news story

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<v Speaker 3>for the year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I hate to say on the profit, but no,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it really was the moment of twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three that unified the country the most, and for us

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<v Speaker 2>as news publishers, it was just a joy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing these amazing live score updates on Instagram. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes people think we're professional and other times times it's

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<v Speaker 3>you and I at a pub after Courtney Vine has

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<v Speaker 3>kicked the winning penalty for the Matildas, jumping around while

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<v Speaker 3>also trying to work out canvas so that we can

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<v Speaker 3>post something.

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<v Speaker 2>And the funny thing about that pub was that that

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<v Speaker 2>pub didn't have any phone reception, so we had to

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<v Speaker 2>sprint out to the road.

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<v Speaker 3>It got hit by a car on the way, but

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<v Speaker 3>it was It was truly the best our country has

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<v Speaker 3>been in a long time, I'd say, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't think we'll ever go back from where we are

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<v Speaker 2>in women's football, but women's sport more broadly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you think it changed the game? Yeah, I mean the

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<v Speaker 2>Matildas have now sold out another Olympics qualifier that's happening

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of months.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a good point because I think everyone,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe not everyone, the skeptics and the critics at the

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<v Speaker 3>time said I not you, but said it'll die down,

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<v Speaker 3>people will get over it, and then no one will

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<v Speaker 3>ever go back to it. Obviously that's proven wrong, and

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<v Speaker 3>there seems to be sustained interest and sustained support for

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<v Speaker 3>the Matildas and all women's sport of that manner.

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<v Speaker 2>The game has changed. The commercial dollars are now there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to work. What was the moment for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Your good news story?

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<v Speaker 3>I know I started this by saying that when we

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<v Speaker 3>reflect on the year, we just think about the last month.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to do just that my best story

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<v Speaker 3>of the year is actually about someone we interviewed on

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<v Speaker 3>this podcast, Kirsty Bryant, and she was a woman who,

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<v Speaker 3>after giving birth to her first child, had to undergo

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<v Speaker 3>emergency surgery that ultimately meant that she was never going

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to carry a child again. She desperately

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<v Speaker 3>wanted more children, and she became the first woman in

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<v Speaker 3>Australia to undergo a successful uterus transplant, and then this

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<v Speaker 3>week also became the first person to undergo a successful

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<v Speaker 3>uterus transplant and give birth to said child. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think the reason that this story excited me so much,

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<v Speaker 3>I think there are a couple elements. Firstly, science is amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just think that this shows so much progress.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also feel like we were all on the

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<v Speaker 3>journey that we yeah. Like Nina, our podcast producer, first

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<v Speaker 3>told us about the story when she joined TDA, and

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<v Speaker 3>then I personally took great interest in it and the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that it has ended in a successful, healthy birth

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<v Speaker 3>is amazing. I also think that we very rarely, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is a problem not just of the media but

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<v Speaker 3>of many professions, we don't really focus on women's health

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<v Speaker 3>and science that relates to women's bodies, and I just

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<v Speaker 3>think it's such a breath of fresh air to have

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<v Speaker 3>followed a story like this and for it to have

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<v Speaker 3>been good news.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So second question, it is inescapable that working in

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<v Speaker 3>the news, stories stick with us. And I think the

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<v Speaker 3>most common question I get is how do you switch

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<v Speaker 3>off from the news? How do you know stop thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about it? And the reality is is you basically don't.

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<v Speaker 3>You perhaps become a bit desensitized to some elements, but

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<v Speaker 3>stories stick with you. What is the story from twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three that will stick with you?

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<v Speaker 2>It has to be Israel and Gaza and it has

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<v Speaker 2>been the most diabolical personal professional challenge we've ever faced,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have seen not just at TDA but in

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<v Speaker 2>the entire global media landscape. Every news organization grapple with

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<v Speaker 2>how to cover this story properly. And I think a

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<v Speaker 2>really important part of why this story has stuck with

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<v Speaker 2>me so much is the amount of vision and photography

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<v Speaker 2>that we have seen from Israel and Gaza and just

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<v Speaker 2>how accessible it is. I mean, we kind of saw

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of that at the beginning of the Russia

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine crisis. You know, this tik this was the first

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<v Speaker 2>time a conflict was playing out on TikTok, I only

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<v Speaker 2>think it has become more sophisticated of a landscape since then.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree. I have wanted to talk to an expert

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<v Speaker 3>about what watching this play out on our phones has

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<v Speaker 3>actually done to our brains, because you're right, it's horrific.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that there are journalists on the ground who

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<v Speaker 3>are taking an iPhone and just filming around them, and

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<v Speaker 3>that we are seeing those unfiltered images. It has changed everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It's changed how the global community responds to violence. It's

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<v Speaker 3>changed how the media has a duty to report, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just think on a human level, it's just catastrophic.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the other part to this story that

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<v Speaker 2>we cannot ignore is the rise of anti Semitism and

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<v Speaker 2>Islamophobia in places like Australia, but I'd say most countries

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<v Speaker 2>around the world at this point, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people outside of the Middle East who are experiencing this

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<v Speaker 2>conflicts and hurting in another way and really hurting. If

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<v Speaker 2>we park that global conflict, what was the story that

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<v Speaker 2>stayed with you this year?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that domestically, it would have to be the referendum.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that we did a series during the year

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<v Speaker 3>about understanding the Voice, and during that we had Tom

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<v Speaker 3>speak to so many First Nations voices in so many

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<v Speaker 3>parts of the country. And I'm not casting judgment on

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<v Speaker 3>the results of the referendum, but what we heard about

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<v Speaker 3>the need for change and the need for betterment of

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<v Speaker 3>the outcomes of First Nations people in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>How we get there.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously the Voice wasn't supported by the country, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was a recognition that something had to be done.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think the stories that we heard from First

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<v Speaker 3>Nations people about the need for change will probably be

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that sticks with me when I think about

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<v Speaker 3>Australia in twenty twenty three. Okay, so now moving into

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<v Speaker 3>the future. As I said last year, you predicted that

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<v Speaker 3>the Matilda's would be this big news moment. Turns out

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<v Speaker 3>you're right. I actually hate you a bit when we

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<v Speaker 3>do these things, because you're much better at thinking about

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<v Speaker 3>the future than I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Must be hard. What is your twenty twenty four prediction.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't know if Donald Trump's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the candidate for the Republican Party, and I think we've

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<v Speaker 2>all kind of accepted it as that's what's going to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is what the polls say, and that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I think I can kind of justify this as a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a dark horse prediction. But I think he

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<v Speaker 2>has a real challenge in overcoming this decision from the

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado Supreme Court. I think it is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>copied by states around the US, and I think it

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<v Speaker 2>is going to mount a serious, you know, barrier for

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<v Speaker 2>his team to overcome. I also think that there's some

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<v Speaker 2>really strong competitors in the Republican race, and the one

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm particularly keeping an eye on is Nikki Haley. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that she is running a really efficient,

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<v Speaker 2>well oiled campaign and I wouldn't be surprised if, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of rogue comments from the former president and

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<v Speaker 2>he never does that, no, no, no, be out of character,

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<v Speaker 2>but if he did, a couple of rogue comments could

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<v Speaker 2>lead to her strengthening her run and then at the primaries,

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<v Speaker 2>anything can happen.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know though, Like I don't know that there

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<v Speaker 3>is that much overlap between those that are looking for

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<v Speaker 3>a President Trump and those that are looking for a

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<v Speaker 3>President Hailey. Yeah, you're probably right, Like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>that voters who might have been Trump. Voters would then

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<v Speaker 3>turn to Nicki Haley. She's far more moderate than he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I just wonder at what point does the

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<v Speaker 2>Republican Party see it to be unrealistic to back another

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<v Speaker 2>run from President Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I said you were good at that, But

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<v Speaker 3>I think he'll win the nomination and he'll win the president.

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<v Speaker 2>So you think he's going to be the president in I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think this time next year we'll be talking about President Trump. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>well we'll come back in twelve months and sex Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>So what's going on? Hello, Futures Area talked to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Then mine's a bit rogue. Okay, it's actually well, every

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<v Speaker 3>time I thought about what would happen, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if this is a reflection on me as a human,

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<v Speaker 3>but I just kept thinking about like who was going

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<v Speaker 3>to die? And that felt morbid. So I've shifted mine

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<v Speaker 3>to be industry specific. I think that in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four we are going to see a major disruption in

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<v Speaker 3>the audio space.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, I've been saying this for so long and no

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<v Speaker 3>one listens to me. But in the video space, we

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<v Speaker 3>had TikTok. It changed everything. It changed the way we

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<v Speaker 3>consume video. It changed our attention spans. It changed what

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking for on social media. We haven't had that

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<v Speaker 3>in the audio space. Like in the podcasting space, podcasts

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<v Speaker 3>have ranged supreme for so long, and there's I mean

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<v Speaker 3>now streaming platforms have them on there. But like other

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<v Speaker 3>than that, there's been no real huge innovation in a while.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think given how many of us listened to posts,

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<v Speaker 3>there has to be something coming. There has to be

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<v Speaker 3>some new technology coming. I don't know what it is,

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<v Speaker 3>don't have that answer, but I think there's something interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the facts that we're going to be around

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<v Speaker 2>to write that, and maybe we should do some innovating ourselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps we should all, right, Sam, take a home for us.

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<v Speaker 3>What is your recommendation for people over the summer break?

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<v Speaker 2>So I think we all need to take the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>over this break to decompress. It's been a huge year.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's find a way to get some just mindless joy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but you know, I hate telling people to turn

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<v Speaker 3>off the news, not suggesting.

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<v Speaker 2>That, not about that. It's about turning on other things.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think everyone should go and watch somebody feed

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<v Speaker 2>Phil on Netflix. So Phil Rosenthal, he's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>writers for Everybody Loves Raymond. And here's this like Daggy,

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<v Speaker 2>sixty ish year old man who travels the world, eating

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<v Speaker 2>delicious food and exploring cultures.

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<v Speaker 3>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>But the condition on this show is that every single

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<v Speaker 2>thing the guy eats, he thinks is the best thing

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<v Speaker 2>he's ever had, and he's just so excited to be

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<v Speaker 2>where he is. Far from a critic show, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just joy and it makes you remember how big the

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<v Speaker 2>world is.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask me about Sorry, what about You?

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<v Speaker 3>Mine is a podcast episode. So I went through a

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<v Speaker 3>stage where I thought I was an influencer and asked

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<v Speaker 3>people to on Instagram give me podcast recommend nations, expecting

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<v Speaker 3>to get like thousands of responses from my one hundred followers.

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<v Speaker 3>And I got a few responses, and funnily enough, I

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<v Speaker 3>had like eight people recommend the same podcast episode. And

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<v Speaker 3>it was a podcast called The Case of the Missing

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<v Speaker 3>hit by reply All, And it's not new, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is one of the most interesting podcast episodes I've ever

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<v Speaker 3>listened to.

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<v Speaker 2>Give Me the TLDR.

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<v Speaker 3>It is about someone who has a song stuck in

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<v Speaker 3>their head and they can sing the they know where

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<v Speaker 3>the harmonies lie, and they like they have the song

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<v Speaker 3>in their head, but it doesn't exist, and so they

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<v Speaker 3>go on this investigation to understand why they have this

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<v Speaker 3>very clear tune in their mind of a song and

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<v Speaker 3>like they know everything about it but it doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a good road trip podcast, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know it doesn't sound interesting, but it's so

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<v Speaker 3>interesting and it's such a good investigation and it's so

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<v Speaker 3>out of my realm of like caring.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll put a link to this because that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, it was just it was super interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's been a big year and I do want

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<v Speaker 2>to thank everybody for listening along. Now, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>the last episode of the Daily Oz for twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to continue all the way through the summer

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<v Speaker 2>period with a summer series. Summer series, we sat down

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<v Speaker 2>looked at all the episodes that we did of the

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<v Speaker 2>last year and decided these are the ones that we

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<v Speaker 2>think you should listen to on the beach, or when

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<v Speaker 2>you're on a road trip, driving to a music festival,

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<v Speaker 2>driving the family lunch, or importantly even if you are

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<v Speaker 2>still working over this Christmas period, to get you feeling

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<v Speaker 2>good on the work commute and bring some interesting stories

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<v Speaker 2>to your ears.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back on January eighth to cover the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>stories of the day. Until then, have a wonderful new year.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for all your support, and we look forward

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<v Speaker 3>to another big year ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>See ya.