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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Os. It's Friday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty second of December. I'm Sam, I'm Zara. It's

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Speaker 2: been a big year of news in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: and the Daily ODS has been there every step of

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Speaker 2: the way, following the big stories, explaining the big ideas

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Speaker 2: and introducing you to the main characters. On today's podcast,

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Speaker 2: Zara and I are going to reflect on the year

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Speaker 2: that was, break down some of our biggest moments, the

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Speaker 2: ones that we'll happily remember and the ones we'd rather forget,

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Speaker 2: and look into the crystal ball and give you some

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Speaker 2: predictions for the year ahead. We're going to get to

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Speaker 2: that little prophecy session later, but first, Aurah, what's making

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Speaker 3: The Bruce Lehman defamation trial will finish today, with closing

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Speaker 3: arguments heard this week. The defamation case was brought by

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Speaker 3: an interview with former Liberal staffer Britney Higgins, who alleged

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Speaker 3: Lehman sexually assaulted her in Parliament House in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Lehman denies those allegations and brought the case against Network ten,

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Speaker 3: News Corp. And ABC before settling with the latter two outlets.

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Speaker 2: Bushfires continue to burn northeast of Perth, with total firebands

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers could be looking to merge with Paramount, That's

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Speaker 3: according to US outlet Axios. According to that report, the

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Speaker 3: chief executives of both companies met this week to discuss

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Speaker 2: And today's good news they simply cannot be stopped. The

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Speaker 2: four hours. The game in Melbourne will see over fifty

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Speaker 2: What a year. It's been a big one.

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Speaker 3: It has been a big one. But I also feel

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Speaker 3: like by the end of the year, you forget what

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Speaker 3: happened in the middle of the year, and then suddenly

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Speaker 3: hopefully also on a high. Okay, Sam, yeh, what was

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Speaker 3: your best good news story of twenty twenty three?

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Speaker 2: I think if I am to think about the moments

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Speaker 2: So expected from you, I know, but I think it

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Speaker 3: We did this podcast a year ago, actually on someone

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Speaker 2: as news publishers, it was just a joy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: It has to be Israel and Gaza and it has

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Speaker 3: I agree. I have wanted to talk to an expert

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Speaker 2: And I think the other part to this story that

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Speaker 3: Then mine's a bit rogue. Okay, it's actually well, every

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Speaker 3: Perhaps we should all, right, Sam, take a home for us.

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Speaker 2: Let's find a way to get some just mindless joy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but you know, I hate telling people to turn

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Mine is a podcast episode. So I went through a

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Speaker 2: Give Me the TLDR.

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Speaker 3: It is about someone who has a song stuck in

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good road trip podcast, it is.

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Speaker 3: And I know it doesn't sound interesting, but it's so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it was just it was super interesting.

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Speaker 2: So it's been a big year and I do want

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Speaker 3: We'll be back on January eighth to cover the biggest

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Speaker 3: stories of the day. Until then, have a wonderful new year.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for all your support, and we look forward

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Speaker 3: to another big year ahead.

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Speaker 2: See ya.