WEBVTT - GO INSIDE JUSTIN BIEBER'S 'OUR WORLD!'

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast last week.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I, how would I describe a television set, oh

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<v Speaker 2>Man from a headline grabbing point of view, the hack

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<v Speaker 2>producer me says one hundred percent put him in.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back guys to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris

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<v Speaker 1>and on this podcast I go behind the scenes with

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest players in television.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, great questions. The show's about the game. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of great television out there in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do with the news and casting agents they.

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<v Speaker 2>Know from a casting point of view what they need.

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<v Speaker 1>And editors because that's what we do as editors where

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<v Speaker 1>storytellers them. Not to forget some incredible executive producers who

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<v Speaker 1>are making some of the best TV content in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been on the program since the beginning and

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of in my DNA. So thanks for joining

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<v Speaker 1>me each week and I hope the podcast continues to

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<v Speaker 1>give you real insight into the magic of te Today

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast, I have entrepreneur and producer, writer, director

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Ratner. This is pretty cool. Amazon Prime set up

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<v Speaker 1>this amazing chat with Michael and Los Angeles, who was

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<v Speaker 1>promoting his latest documentary, Justin Bieber Our World, which premiers

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<v Speaker 1>worldwide on Amazon Prime Video, and that release date is

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<v Speaker 1>October eighth, so you can pop that in your diary. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael is the founder of OBB Pictures and under his leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>that company has grown into OBB Media, a leading media

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<v Speaker 1>company which has divisions in film, TV, digital, podcasts, branded content,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has amassed over a one point six billion views.

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<v Speaker 1>His relationship with artists is beyond compare, gaining access to

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<v Speaker 1>some of the most recognizable names in the business. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll focus on his relationship and collaboration with Justin Bieber.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have to tell you that during this chat,

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<v Speaker 1>I was able to ascertain that Michael is kind, thoughtful,

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<v Speaker 1>and a genius and unlocking storytelling That immediately made me

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<v Speaker 1>realize that I was talking to one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>dooco filmmakers in this space. I mean, come on, Justin

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<v Speaker 1>is at the top of his game, FYI. Justin Bieber's

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<v Speaker 1>new single Ghost is now available to stream on his

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<v Speaker 1>number one album Justice, which if you've got Beaba Fever

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna want to download. Also, in preparation for this

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming documentary, I suggest that you go back and watch Seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a previous collaboration with Michael and Justin, who

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<v Speaker 1>of course I'm on a first name basis with I'm

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<v Speaker 1>clearly not. So let's get started with today's guest. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to welcome to the podcast. It's Michael Radner.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're Justin Bieber or you accept the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be false headlines, do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>start by talking about the last four years? I also

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<v Speaker 2>don't make puff pieces on Justin. Justin Bieber says he

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<v Speaker 2>is counseling the rest of his world too. Wasn't an

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<v Speaker 2>easy thing to sign up for. As for why Justin

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<v Speaker 2>canceled the tour, and he spoke to maintaining a healthy mind,

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<v Speaker 2>making your own judgments based on your experience as people.

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<v Speaker 2>Business kid thinking is your real own personal experiences is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely a healthy way to live.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Michael, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excellent? Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, over the years and with an enormous amount

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<v Speaker 1>of experience, what have you learned the most about making

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<v Speaker 1>a documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>I've learned that you need to take the time off

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<v Speaker 2>camera to learn the story you want to tell. You

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<v Speaker 2>need to be a good listener, you need to specifically

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<v Speaker 2>with these talent driven dark pieces, you need to understand

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<v Speaker 2>the talents objective, what are they looking to accomplish? And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that it's really all about communication and trust.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the most important question in my mind is

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<v Speaker 1>how did you build a friendship with Justin Bieber? And

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<v Speaker 1>more importantly, how did you build trust to make a

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<v Speaker 1>documentary like this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I was working with sp Projects on

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<v Speaker 2>another project three ish years ago. It was a music

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<v Speaker 2>anthology series, and that's when I met Scooter Braun and

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<v Speaker 2>Alison Kay and a lot of those a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>that team, and I've done a lot of work since

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<v Speaker 2>then with that team. And when we were creating that,

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<v Speaker 2>I was producing this series and I also directed an episode,

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<v Speaker 2>And it was then that the Spie Projects team asked

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<v Speaker 2>me to sit with Justin. We hadn't met, and they

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<v Speaker 2>asked me to sit to talk about potentially doing a

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<v Speaker 2>project together because he was going to put out a

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<v Speaker 2>new album and they wanted to document that process. And

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<v Speaker 2>that project ended up becoming seasons.

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<v Speaker 3>I just feel like right now it's a really happy

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<v Speaker 3>season and I want people to get an inside look

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<v Speaker 3>of this guy really is just a human who's just

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<v Speaker 3>figuring it out like you and me.

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<v Speaker 2>From there, we really sparked a strong professional and personal

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<v Speaker 2>relationship and it's been great with a communication gets stronger

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<v Speaker 2>with each project, and we've done so much stuff together.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously we did Next Chapter after that and I directed Intentions,

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<v Speaker 2>which was with Kwavo. It was music video. I oversaw

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<v Speaker 2>the visual album for Changes, and then now this project.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think when it's years and many projects and

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<v Speaker 2>you take the time to really think through the process

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<v Speaker 2>and the workflow, and ultimately Justin's vision leads I'm there

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<v Speaker 2>to create and tell a story in service of that vision,

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<v Speaker 2>you end up with really really great projects.

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<v Speaker 1>You've said publicly that nothing is off limits, you know

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<v Speaker 1>when you're working with Justin. But I always wonder with

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<v Speaker 1>people in the spotlight, surely some things none of our business. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been really an open book. There hasn't been something

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<v Speaker 2>to date this many years in where he said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>don't ask me about this or that. I mean, in theory,

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<v Speaker 2>if I started trying to like poke In prod for

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<v Speaker 2>things that I think that would be irrelevant and just

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<v Speaker 2>salacious in nature. I'm sure he'd push back, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>never that's never happened. And I also don't make puff

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<v Speaker 2>pieces on justin we'd do. You know, if you watched Seasons,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that we didn't shy away from some moments

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe weren't the most comfortable or shed light on

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<v Speaker 2>insecurities or growth. And I think that's what made that

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<v Speaker 2>product so powerful. And here, you know, he really allows

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<v Speaker 2>the camera, whether he's shooting it himself on a cell

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<v Speaker 2>phone or whether it's our cameras with Ry Kramer or

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<v Speaker 2>whoever it is, to really capture the essence of what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on. And I think it's just again that communication

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<v Speaker 2>and trust with well, what are you gonna do with

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<v Speaker 2>that footage? And how are you gonna make me look?

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<v Speaker 2>But his willingness to trust the filmmaker and trust that

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately our understanding of what we're looking to accomplish will

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<v Speaker 2>result in good results for his fans, which is really

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<v Speaker 2>what he's looking to accomplish and to fulfill his artistic desires,

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<v Speaker 2>is what allows these projects to feel so authentic and special.

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<v Speaker 4>The doc title Justin Bieber. Our World follows Bieber and

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<v Speaker 4>his close knit team in the month leading up to

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<v Speaker 4>T Mobile Presents New Year's Eve Live with Justin Bieber

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<v Speaker 4>as they rehearse and construct a monumental stage while adhering

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<v Speaker 4>to strict health and safety protocols.

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<v Speaker 1>In a complicated world with cod and politics, there must

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<v Speaker 1>be so much scrutiny over an individual opinion. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>ever worried that you may reveal something about Justin that

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<v Speaker 1>would upset these fans? I mean, cancel culture is a

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<v Speaker 1>factor to consider, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean if you open your mouth the wrong way,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, there's always a fear of that. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't live in fear of offending or cancel culture

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<v Speaker 2>or these things. You have to live your life and

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<v Speaker 2>live your truth and pursue projects and not just be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sitting around idle and letting opportunities pass. I

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<v Speaker 2>think when you're Justin Bieber or you're some of these stars,

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<v Speaker 2>you accept the fact that they're going to be false headlines,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be false narratives. Of course, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>feed into that and have your words misconstrued or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But you know, we certainly think those things through.

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<v Speaker 2>We're living in the Internet age, and there's trolls on

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet, and there's all sorts of people that are

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<v Speaker 2>going to twist your words, and you have to just

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<v Speaker 2>understand that comes with the territory and try to look

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<v Speaker 2>at the positives. So I think it would be unfortunate

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<v Speaker 2>if we didn't create because we were afraid of somebody

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<v Speaker 2>canceling us or you know, saying taking things out of context.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody deals with it. I mean, you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>new norm and reality, and you navigated accordingly.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's some lyrics that sometimes come into his

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<v Speaker 1>music that you know could mean different things, And I

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<v Speaker 1>always wonder with your friendship with him and your collaboration

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<v Speaker 1>with him, to get a chance to ask what things mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the lyrics that I thought was quite

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<v Speaker 1>good was, you know, I get my news from the source.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever asked him what that means? Where is

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<v Speaker 1>he getting his news from?

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<v Speaker 2>I have never asked him. I would venture a guess that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if if I had to guess what he

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<v Speaker 2>meant by that. Justin's not paying attention to headlines or

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<v Speaker 2>what the news or media is saying. You can't I

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<v Speaker 2>mean there's a how he would have no other time

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<v Speaker 2>to do anything else. There's an article of a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Justin feels really confident in his circle, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's surrounded by good people and has conversations with people

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<v Speaker 2>and knows people and gets his information from those people

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<v Speaker 2>around him that are family and friends. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's a really healthy way to live your life. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we could all learn something from that, whether we're

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<v Speaker 2>in the media or not. It's definitely a healthier mindset.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think with social media and the immediacy of

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<v Speaker 2>everything at your fingertips with Twitter or what have you,

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<v Speaker 2>it's sometimes easier said than done. So I think making

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<v Speaker 2>your own judgments based on your experience with people, your

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<v Speaker 2>real own personal experiences, is definitely a healthy way to live.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think Justin has been able to really

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<v Speaker 1>transcend from being a child's stuff so well to this

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<v Speaker 1>respected content creator as.

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<v Speaker 2>An adult, authenticity, incredible talent, hard work, growth, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's really You've seen him be consistent, you've seen

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<v Speaker 2>him committed you I mean, the work ethic. If you

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<v Speaker 2>watched the project too, you know it wasn't an easy

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<v Speaker 2>thing to sign up for. And I think also he's

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<v Speaker 2>a evolved in his artistry as yet as he has

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<v Speaker 2>as an individual like you. The way his music sounds

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<v Speaker 2>and the lyrics that you're referring to and all these

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<v Speaker 2>things are quite different now today than they were when

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<v Speaker 2>he was younger. I mean, I hope, so I'd hope

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<v Speaker 2>your music sounds different when you're thirteen, fourteen, fifteen than

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<v Speaker 2>when you're twenty seven and married. And I think it does.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why his fans are growing with him, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's getting new fans obviously as well, younger fans. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's really great to see. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the most streamed artist in the globe. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that that comes from really a lot of things, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of different factors. I don't think it's just one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's all those combined.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it in your mind that you want us

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<v Speaker 1>to feel as an audience, you know, watching our world,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as a documentary, as a concert, as a

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<v Speaker 1>look behind the scenes. You know, what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>the take home should be as an audience hour.

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<v Speaker 2>And a half of joy? You know, like you really

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<v Speaker 2>should be able to escape for a second and just

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<v Speaker 2>like take this trip down memory lane and nostalgic because

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<v Speaker 2>we play you know, he plays some of the old

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<v Speaker 2>hits and whatnot. You see him doing Baby and it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cool to see. And then you see it all

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<v Speaker 2>the way up to some of the new hits off Justice,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just this fun night where you can sort

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<v Speaker 2>of just enjoy the music. And then of course you've

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<v Speaker 2>got a great story there as well, so it's it

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<v Speaker 2>should just provide joy.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to create a night that was gonna

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<v Speaker 3>bring people together and people could just let go and

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<v Speaker 3>enjoy themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>When I first met Justin, he was a young teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>Today I see the young leader. He really grow into

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<v Speaker 2>a man thatl husband. His family life is so important, sich.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited to get back on that stage and make

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<v Speaker 3>people smile, make people happy. Prepping for a performance during

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<v Speaker 3>COVID has been challenging.

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<v Speaker 2>We have built the whole stage, hope we are with

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<v Speaker 2>the live stream. The show is going to be seen

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<v Speaker 2>by moons. We haven't done a show since. I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>The first time I'm coming out, I'm gonna feel all

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<v Speaker 3>the eyes on me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna want to move. I just know my soul

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<v Speaker 2>show Day New year's eve.

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<v Speaker 5>Baby Justin has been told that he's a songbird of

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<v Speaker 5>our generation.

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<v Speaker 3>Life is only about content, It's not about.

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<v Speaker 2>The condition of your soul. Are you excited for tonight? Ben?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course if you're nervous, and I'm like nervous, it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be dope.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a mad rush to sign on and it's crashing things.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the cutoff Matt and him as a human

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<v Speaker 2>and it's translating to his work.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how these dudes get into this vlogging

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<v Speaker 3>thing because my arm was sore.

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<v Speaker 1>As for you, like being this amazing content maker, like

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<v Speaker 1>I was just looking through the back catalog of your

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<v Speaker 1>history is just phenomenal. And you know you've collaborated with

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<v Speaker 1>different people. I noticed yesterday when I was doing some

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<v Speaker 1>research that people kept asking you is there another artist

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<v Speaker 1>or is there someone that you'd like to collaborate with?

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<v Speaker 1>And you a couple of times said to journalists, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to give it some thought. Have you given

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<v Speaker 1>it some thought? Is there someone that you would like

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<v Speaker 1>to collaborate with? Or is there a project you're about

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<v Speaker 1>to work on?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I have, and I am there's the mysterious response. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't announced it. Tell me, yeah, I haven't announced

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<v Speaker 2>it yet, but we're in the middle of something already,

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<v Speaker 2>really excited about it, you know. But no two projects

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<v Speaker 2>are alike. I think that very frequently we bucket projects

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<v Speaker 2>or genres, but I don't really. I mean, sure, they're

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<v Speaker 2>both documentaries or music documentaries. If you look at you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people ask me questions about the Demi project or the

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<v Speaker 2>Dustin project. Each one of these are every project as

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<v Speaker 2>a storyteller right at OBB, I'm not even specific to

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<v Speaker 2>unscripted or premium doc We make stuff in scripted, we

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<v Speaker 2>make stuff in podcasts, audio only, we do branded content.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always looking for what's the story, and whether that's

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<v Speaker 2>comedy or sports, or music or drama. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm trying to do is make people feel something.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I'm looking at stuff in the music world,

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<v Speaker 2>I want people to not only feel sitting through the music,

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<v Speaker 2>but through the story we're telling and understand those artists better.

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<v Speaker 2>So this project I'm currently direct and producing is going

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<v Speaker 2>to do that for sure, and it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a journey and I think will show a really different

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<v Speaker 2>side of this person. So I'm very excited.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, clues. You're not even going to give me

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<v Speaker 1>a clue.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, great, Okay, there's a long way for me to

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<v Speaker 1>go with that clue. I would ask you, though, the

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<v Speaker 1>integrity of your work is quite powerful, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably why you're working with such amazing people. What

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<v Speaker 1>was the inspiration for you wanting to be a documentary filmmaker? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you find yourself in this career?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as a I went to film school. So

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<v Speaker 2>I went to film school at NYU Grad Film. I

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<v Speaker 2>loved my experience there, and I always joked that I

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<v Speaker 2>think it should have been called content school, not film school.

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<v Speaker 2>That's at least how I approached it. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the world is changing, you know, the way we consume

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<v Speaker 2>the way audience consume content is through all forms of media.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just like telling stories. I like me, I

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<v Speaker 2>like entertaining people. I like people taking something away from something.

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<v Speaker 2>So I never planned to be just a documentary filmmaker.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't consider myself one. Obviously. I directed this doc

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<v Speaker 2>and I've done some other projects recently that have gone

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<v Speaker 2>on to get some commercial and critical success. And at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, I'm always looking to entertain

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<v Speaker 2>and make people feel something, and I think a great

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<v Speaker 2>way to do that right now is through these music docs.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Rovioskin, this the golden age of music documentary,

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<v Speaker 2>and I really enjoy it. I appreciate that my projects

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<v Speaker 2>have resonated in a way that has had impact, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, millions and millions and hundreds of millions of

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<v Speaker 2>people have seen them. And that's what's so exciting, because

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<v Speaker 2>you can really use this moment where people are so

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<v Speaker 2>into something to have somebody take something away. I think

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<v Speaker 2>mental health has been a big component of our work

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<v Speaker 2>as of late, and a lot of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>you know you touched on, even with just the world

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<v Speaker 2>we live in, with the Internet and false headlines or

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<v Speaker 2>cancel culture, all of those things factor in and at

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<v Speaker 2>a really high level because of you know, Justin has

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred million people on Instagram alone following them. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's just an absurd, sort of unfathomable amount of

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<v Speaker 2>human beings following another. So I think that I look

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<v Speaker 2>at music doc right now almost the way that you

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<v Speaker 2>would look at historically speaking, these tent pole Marvel films

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<v Speaker 2>or franchises, these moments, right and that's what music docs

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<v Speaker 2>are and right now alongside those other projects. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a really unique opportunity and I've enjoyed making them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you've had a front row to working with celebrity.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you've been right there working with some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most amazing content makers. What do you think the

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<v Speaker 1>true price of fame is? From where you've been sitting.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot a lot. You know, It's like with all

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<v Speaker 2>things in life, there's the pros, and I think those

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<v Speaker 2>are the things that we all see on display material

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<v Speaker 2>things and fame, and you know, people reck ignizing you,

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to be around you. But then there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a lot of quote unquote baggage that comes

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<v Speaker 2>along with that that can be isolating or difficult to navigate.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I so commend you know, justin for

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<v Speaker 2>where he's at in his life and the way that

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<v Speaker 2>he carries himself and the way that he's navigated through it,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, the way you put it is perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's a price for that stuff in more ways

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<v Speaker 2>than one.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'd be highly medicated with all that pressure

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<v Speaker 1>on me. I would be so stressed. My one question

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<v Speaker 1>I always ask all my guests before they go, is

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<v Speaker 1>what is an amazing story from behind the scenes that

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<v Speaker 1>we as an audience would appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a good that's a fun question. I think

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll take it back to the very beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>this project, when you know, Justin called me. It was

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<v Speaker 2>November twenty twenty, and you know, he said, I got

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<v Speaker 2>this idea, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull off the show.

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<v Speaker 2>And we had just finished one of our projects I

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<v Speaker 2>can't even remember, so we weren't even dark for that

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<v Speaker 2>long at all. And I said, okay, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>he explained what he was going to pull off and

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<v Speaker 2>he said December, and I was thinking, you know, December

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one. I didn't possibly fathom that we were

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<v Speaker 2>like forty days away from show night. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of it's emblem the reason I used that,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my knee jerk reactions. There's emblematic of just like

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<v Speaker 2>the reason this all works, it's just figure it out,

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<v Speaker 2>make it happen. Nothing's impossible, like roll with the punches,

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<v Speaker 2>get to work. And we just started filming right away,

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<v Speaker 2>and before you know, like there was so much that

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<v Speaker 2>needed to get done and we just pulled it off.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really I love those calls because it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you need to be a little insane to make

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<v Speaker 2>that call, you need to be a little insane to

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<v Speaker 2>accept the challenge. And I think that creativity and that

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<v Speaker 2>excitement and that working relationship is what allows us to

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<v Speaker 2>make such exciting projects that people are really responding to.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've been in your audience for a long time

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all the work.

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<v Speaker 2>That you make.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in Liston's audience for a long time, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to say thank you so much for the

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<v Speaker 1>work that you do, and good luck with all the

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<v Speaker 1>work that's coming up. I'll be in your audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I appreciate that so much. Thank you