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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's Well here.

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Speaker 2: She is one of our favorites. Gretel Colleen. She's written

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Speaker 2: a stag of books, but they've been children's books. She's

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Speaker 2: branched into well, I want to say adult land, but

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Speaker 2: that sounds a bit, that sounds.

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Speaker 3: That sounds pretty racist.

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Speaker 2: But it's a novel for grown ups.

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Speaker 1: Gretel, Hello, Hello, Actually I should say hello. It's great

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Speaker 1: to talk with you from me. I've actually written a

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Speaker 1: lot of adult books as well, not Born but not,

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Speaker 1: but have the novel my first porn Yeah, is this Born? No?

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Speaker 1: I knew I'd get you past though for three pages. No,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's like a love song to motherhood, mother

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Speaker 1: and daughter love. It celebrates all the agonies and hilarity

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Speaker 1: of that. And how in the book, I say the

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Speaker 1: umbilical cord get gets cut. The scissors just make it invisible.

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Speaker 1: How you're always connected to your children and your happiness

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Speaker 1: forever depends on their happiness. But it's a comedy, very sad,

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Speaker 1: didn't it?

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Speaker 2: But they always say that, don't You're only as happy

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Speaker 2: as your unhappiest child. And it's so true, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: It really is? In fact, I saw a show the

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Speaker 1: other day and there was a woman talking about not

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Speaker 1: having children and how she felt about it, and she

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Speaker 1: said she's perfectly happy not actually having the tool, but

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Speaker 1: she wanted to experience that kind of agonized love, to

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Speaker 1: love something so intensely. And it's very interesting with mother

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Speaker 1: daughter love because one minute you're our gjenemies, in the

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Speaker 1: next minute you're laughing like you went to school together

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Speaker 1: and your best pals, and this can go on forever.

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Speaker 1: So in this story, it's about a daughter's getting married

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Speaker 1: and the mom's got increasing to mensure the grandma, and

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Speaker 1: it's the story of the woman in between as she

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Speaker 1: juggles those and wants to reconcile her relationships, which is

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Speaker 1: the situation that so many of us have because exactly

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Speaker 1: the way our daughter treats us is the way we

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Speaker 1: treated our mom. So it's about forgiveness and you're ridiculous friends,

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Speaker 1: and it's really a celebration of women friendships for our love.

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Speaker 3: And also there's a bit of a mystery there because

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Speaker 3: the daughter, the youngest daughter in this suddenly ghosts to

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Speaker 3: her mum, doesn't talk to her for about four years,

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Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden she comes back into

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Speaker 3: her life and says, oh, You've got to organize a

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Speaker 3: wedding for me, And I'm thinking, well, that's a bit rich.

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Speaker 1: Ever, you know what it's like. You've been a witness

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Speaker 1: to this kind of love, haven't you? The mother daughter

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Speaker 1: love and how intense it is. Yeah, that's exactly. The

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Speaker 1: daughter disappears for four years. I know she's safe because

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Speaker 1: she keeps in contact with her sister, but she just

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Speaker 1: refuses to communicate with her mom and the mother as

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Speaker 1: so many of us are. We're not outraged like you are,

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Speaker 1: Jonesy to be called to attention and suddenly for from

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Speaker 1: She struggles because she doesn't know what she ever is wrong,

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Speaker 1: but she wants to make things right because having your

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Speaker 1: children love you is kind of more important than even

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Speaker 1: loving yourself.

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Speaker 2: It's so true, Advocate, and they talked to about love

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Speaker 2: being a doing word. And it's only when I got

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Speaker 2: older I realized that mum folding my clothes or washing

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Speaker 2: my jumpers and putting them away is that's love. And

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Speaker 2: when I do it to my sons, and it's their

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Speaker 2: job now to be nonchalant as I'm putting their washing away,

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Speaker 2: All those things are a love, aren't they when my

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Speaker 2: son recently had his wisdom teeth out, I drove him crazy.

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Speaker 2: What can I get you? Can I make you a

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Speaker 2: smooth Can I bother? And I heard my mother and

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Speaker 2: how irritating she was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I spoke to a man the other day

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Speaker 1: and he's caring for his ninety seven year old mum

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Speaker 1: and she still loves to wash your for him. And

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Speaker 1: because it's completely comprehensible, it's an act of love. And

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Speaker 1: so here is that really innate struggle of a woman

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Speaker 1: who has done her very best and yet, according to

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Speaker 1: her daughter, has failed. She wants to make it right.

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Speaker 1: So she writes it as a diary. And it is

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Speaker 1: a mad wedding. There are mad friends. We've all got

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Speaker 1: those friends who've got bigger hearts and you know, like

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Speaker 1: complete min noongs that they brought us in list. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's those. It's one week, the one week before

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Speaker 1: the wedding and how and also amongst all of this

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Speaker 1: is Grandma, who is who's fading? You know, she's disappearing,

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Speaker 1: So there's that time imperative. Can we solve this while

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Speaker 1: she's still it has some sort of presence and recognition

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Speaker 1: of us.

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Speaker 2: It's tough is it because I think we're actually we

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Speaker 2: are the Sandwich generation, where we've got aging parents and

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Speaker 2: children who still live with us or need us. We're

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Speaker 2: copying it always.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're copying it always doing our best, and

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Speaker 1: moms often get told you're doing it wrong. And where

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Speaker 1: the butt of jokes. You know, there'll be signals you

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Speaker 1: protect my mum, sandor whatever. But we really are trying

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Speaker 1: our hardest with very little praise until you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: the eulogy will.

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Speaker 3: Be Yeah, that's when you get the praise. That's when

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Speaker 3: you when you're dead in the ground, that's when they

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Speaker 3: give you the praise. Oh, daddy was great.

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Speaker 2: And then hope that you child doesn't have a radio

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Speaker 2: show because they made stories up about you for years.

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Speaker 1: That's completely different.

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Speaker 3: It's okay, Well, this is a great read on three

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Speaker 3: pages in and I'm enjoying it already.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really glad that you've been so professional. It's

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Speaker 1: such a good talking to you both.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and we're looking forward to you.

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Speaker 3: When does your porn novel come out?

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Speaker 1: It's just a.

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Speaker 3: Hell and I wasn't having a good Monday. This is great,

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Speaker 3: Gretel Colleen, my daughter's wedding. Thank you, Gretel, You look

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Speaker 3: after Yourself, Available in all good bookstores now. It's a

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Speaker 3: great read.

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's