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Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning. It is time for the

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Speaker 1: week that was proudly brought to you by the Silver Hebron.

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Speaker 2: Lawyers, your local lawyers now also.

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Speaker 1: Broadcasting on AH in Alice Springs and joining us in

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Speaker 1: the studio this morning. We've got the Opposition leader, Lea

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Speaker 1: Fanocchi Aarro good.

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Speaker 3: Morning, Good morning everyone.

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Speaker 1: We've got Sky News, Darwin's Matt Cunningham, good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 1: We've got Keyesier Puric, the Member for Gorder, the Independent

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Speaker 1: Member for Goider, good morning.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Katie, good morning, the rural people.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Kate Warden, the Minister for Housing and

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Speaker 1: various other portfolios.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Katie, Good morning Darwin and Alice Springley.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I will just point out that Keys here

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Speaker 1: and Kate is sharing a microphone today, just in case

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Speaker 1: anyone's wondering at different times when someone's not yelling out all.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'll share things with anyone, even labor people, independent.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get into it. There is so much to

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Speaker 2: cover off on this week.

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Speaker 1: I've got to say yesterday was a busy enough news day,

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Speaker 1: but we know that it's greater. Melbourne's now being declared

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Speaker 1: a hot spot by the Northern Territories Chief Health Officer

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Speaker 1: as Victorians go into their sixth lockdown since COVID nineteen began,

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Speaker 1: since the pandemic began.

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Speaker 2: So the Northern.

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Speaker 1: Territory obviously declared that hot spot as of eight pm Thursday,

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Speaker 1: the same time that that snap seven day lockdown started.

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Speaker 2: It is really tough, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: For Victorians going into their sixth lockdown. It is really

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Speaker 1: tough though as well for locations like the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: when we talk about tourism and we talk about you know,

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Speaker 1: businesses really feeling the effects of those lockdowns into state.

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Speaker 2: We know New South Wales is struggling.

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Speaker 1: To get a hold of the COVID situation, and there's

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Speaker 1: that discussion really now has kind of turned to making

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Speaker 1: sure that the majority of the population is vaccinated so

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Speaker 1: that we're able to try to hopefully get back.

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Speaker 2: To some form of normality.

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Speaker 6: Well basically just traveling across the state borders. I know

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Speaker 6: quite a few people who've traveled up here from interstate

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Speaker 6: Victorists Eastern Seaboard and sort of on the bright side,

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Speaker 6: if there is a bright side, a lot of them are.

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Speaker 4: Electing to stay here. Yeah, they were wanting to go.

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Speaker 6: To Queensland continue their great nomad travels, but they're electing

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Speaker 6: to stay here quite comfortably. And then they're just going

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Speaker 6: to do more touring around the top end soil until

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Speaker 6: the Port New South Wales borders get sorted out. And

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Speaker 6: now Victoria, we're probably gone to the people we've got

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Speaker 6: within our boys, we'll keep here.

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Speaker 4: But you're right, Katie.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we were just doing a little poll around here,

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Speaker 6: like most of us have all been vaccinated, waiting for

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Speaker 6: my second one, and I think we've just got to

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Speaker 6: get the country vaccinated as quickly as we can, including

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Speaker 6: the territory and that way. I mean, it's not going

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Speaker 6: to be you'll never get sick again, but the medical

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Speaker 6: experts tell us.

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Speaker 7: And I think, yeah, yesterday we hit that Sharing's good,

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Speaker 7: isn't it. Yes, I get to talk and you get

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Speaker 7: to be quiet.

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Speaker 5: It's awesome. This morning.

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Speaker 7: We hit fifty percent yesterday of first vaccines for people.

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Speaker 7: So fifty percent of territories have now had that first vaccine.

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Speaker 5: That's really important.

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Speaker 7: And I know that I'm now waiting for my second

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Speaker 7: a couple of weeks away. It's a long you know,

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Speaker 7: those of us that stepped up early and said we'll

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Speaker 7: take the AstraZeneca. We're over fifty, let's do it. Are

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Speaker 7: still waiting. But you know, we're surrounded by young people

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Speaker 5: So Territorians have done a great job, but we're not there.

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Speaker 7: We need to make sure that everybody continues to step

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Speaker 7: up and that we have all the vaccines available for

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Speaker 7: and that means that there's other people that have booked

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Speaker 2: What is the goal? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: Like what's happening nationally? Why are we in a situation though?

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Speaker 1: And I guess you know some might say here in

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Speaker 1: the territory too, but why are we in a situation?

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Speaker 2: Do you think we're you know, we're we're not.

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Speaker 1: We're not further along with this vaccination program is what

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Speaker 1: a lot of people would have hoped at this point.

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Speaker 8: I think it's because the federal government put most of

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Speaker 8: its eggs in the astrosenica basket, and I think that

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Speaker 8: was probably fair enough. I mean, the astrosenic vaccine made sense.

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Speaker 8: It certainly made more sense in the Northern territory, given

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Speaker 8: you don't have to keep it at a very low temperature.

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Speaker 8: They knew that they could and you factor it here,

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Speaker 8: so they backed in astrosenica. And then the problem was

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Speaker 8: the hysteria around the issues with the blood clots. And

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Speaker 8: media probably shares a bit of the blame around this.

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Speaker 9: Katie.

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Speaker 8: You know that the cases of blood clotting with astrosenica

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Speaker 9: It's you know, it's so low it's not funny.

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Speaker 8: You'd be more likely to walk out the front door

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Speaker 8: here and get hit by a car than you would

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Speaker 8: have to die of a blood clot from astrosenica. But

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Speaker 8: as a consequence of that, you know, there was all

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Speaker 8: of this vaccine hesitancy, and I don't think the way

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Speaker 8: the government handled it was great either. First it was like, yeah,

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Speaker 8: I have it. Then it was like don't have it.

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Speaker 8: If you're in this age group, then don't have it

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Speaker 8: in if you're in age.

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Speaker 5: Some of the messaging was a bit mixed at that time, clear.

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Speaker 8: Now, and then then the extraordinary case where the Queensland

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Speaker 2: And said, I don't want to get you.

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Speaker 8: Know, astrosenic because they might get a blood clot. So

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Speaker 8: I think that just you know, the messaging was all

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Speaker 10: I think initially that everyone thought people would fly to it,

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Speaker 10: and I think that's why they went with the tear categories.

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Speaker 10: You know, remember it was emergency services and then our

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Speaker 10: most vulnerable and elderly et cetera, et cetera. But the

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Speaker 10: reality was we had that met with hesitancy because a

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Speaker 10: lot of people were thinking, oh, this is stuff is

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go first, you know.

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Speaker 10: I think that's you know, some people felt like that,

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Speaker 10: disjointed in that sense. One things they've lifted like they

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Speaker 3: That's really obviously pushed it along.

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Speaker 10: But one thing that we think is really important is

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Speaker 10: just to make sure that people know where they can

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Speaker 10: get the vaccine, and the you know, the territory governments

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Speaker 10: obviously put together you know the coronavirus website, which is

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Speaker 10: really important. It's the one stop what's meant to the

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Speaker 10: one stop shop for all the information. But of course

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Speaker 10: just when it comes to booking the vaccine, it's still

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Speaker 10: indicating to people that there's no bookings that can be

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Speaker 10: and those other clinics like the Parmesan Superclinic, and so

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Speaker 10: I think for a lot of people what's happening is

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Speaker 10: they're stopping at that point and going, oh, I can't

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Speaker 10: get one. I'll wait when really, if they knew to

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Speaker 10: then make other inquiries, they possibly would be able to

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Speaker 10: get one. So I think that's something where more work

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Speaker 8: But it's absolutely the case when I first went to

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Speaker 8: told me I couldn't get in for like three months

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Speaker 8: able to gettraightway. That option is not given to you

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Speaker 6: No, and I had mine that my doctor surgic coving

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Speaker 6: a medical center. And this, I think this is about

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Speaker 6: that message has to get out to people as well.

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Speaker 6: You can just make the inquiry with your own doctor's

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Speaker 6: If they can't, they'll tell you where the next doctor

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Speaker 6: can do it. But I think also what's happening. I

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Speaker 6: I don't know how well the governments down there have

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Speaker 6: So I think it's I don't think we've got an

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Speaker 4: What happened up here.

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Speaker 6: I't mentioned with community, but that you know, one of

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Speaker 6: the religious leaders were saying don't get vaccinated. We saw

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Speaker 6: for misinformation in the abliginal community. So we've got to

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Speaker 6: get on top of that to make sure all those

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Speaker 5: I can understand them definitely with certainty.

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Speaker 7: O muticultural leaders right across the territory have really stepped

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Speaker 7: up in that split space and you'll see them, you know,

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Speaker 7: in advertising. They've been prolific right the way across social

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Speaker 7: media to tell their communities and where we have had

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Speaker 7: those blockages, we've addressed them where they've become clear. I

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Speaker 7: think one of the big differences to Katie that I've

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Speaker 7: come across it and I'm just dumbfounded having gone through

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Speaker 7: a lockdown here. You know, Territorians we can be a

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Speaker 7: bit a little bit yes, cavalier, and we like that

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Speaker 7: about ourselves and you know it'll be all right. But

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Speaker 7: when we came to a lockdown, I don't think I've

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Speaker 7: been more proud of Territorians because we took it seriously.

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Speaker 7: I've been on the phone to people into state for

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Speaker 7: their lockdowns. I cannot get over the lack of well

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Speaker 7: checking the man of cars that are on roads. You know,

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Speaker 7: one of my family members is going to work in lockdown,

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Speaker 7: telling me to working without masks and all this other stuff,

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Speaker 7: and you think.

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Speaker 5: Take it seriously.

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Speaker 7: And I think Territorians have really proved that when these

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Speaker 5: I know I did. I worked long hours at home.

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Speaker 7: I was actually going to say that exact thing, Katie,

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Speaker 7: I know that Natasha has a very very good as

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was now proudly

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Speaker 1: He posted on Facebook yesterday our streets and all safe.

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Speaker 10: By you know, youth of I can't wait to see

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Speaker 4: You know that was whatever it was.

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Speaker 6: There's people at Palmerston that haven't broken in to their

443
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Speaker 6: homes and being assaulted. I mean, I sincerely hope they

444
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Speaker 6: do not get bailed. I mean it's I've been charged

445
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Speaker 6: with aggravated assault. Aggravated assault usually comes ends up in

446
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Speaker 6: the jail tub now and whatever else. They've been charged

447
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Speaker 6: with deporation of liberty, which is serious enough in itself

448
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Speaker 6: as well. So I mean I've got the same sentiments

449
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Speaker 6: as Lea, and so have a lot of my constituents.

450
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Speaker 4: They are fed up with it, and I've said this before.

451
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Speaker 6: They're fed up with the violence and the assaults of

452
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Speaker 6: the crime, and it's escalating, like I mean scary. I mean,

453
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Speaker 6: he could have fallen over when he mister has Gary has,

454
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Speaker 6: you know, he'd hit his head and he could have

455
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Speaker 6: died and all that sort of shit.

456
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Speaker 4: You know, he's pretty frightening. Yeah, he's very frightening. I

457
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Speaker 4: feel for Gary and his wife and his family.

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Speaker 1: The thing that, like, the thing that I find disturbing

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Speaker 1: about it is obviously the fact that he's in you know,

460
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Speaker 1: he's in the car park in the afternoon, you know,

461
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming going to do his shopping or whatever. And

462
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Speaker 1: then like that's not just a bashing, that's actually like

463
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Speaker 1: that's a really bad flogging.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you've got brutive and I don't know

465
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Speaker 2: how many people were involved.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the ins and outs of it, and

467
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend that I do, but I

468
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Speaker 1: think that it's entirely unacceptable that then we wind up

469
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Speaker 1: with two thirteen year olds who have who have.

470
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Speaker 2: Now been charged to me.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how this how we've ended up

472
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Speaker 1: in a situation where kids are behaving in this way, and.

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Speaker 10: Were those kids on bail, were they on bail. I

474
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Speaker 10: want to know that were they on bail at the time.

475
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Speaker 10: They're not doing what they did. But we can just

476
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Speaker 10: demand just like that, leaders, the territory family, the territory families.

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Speaker 3: So what have you got to say for yourself on

478
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Speaker 3: this matter?

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Speaker 7: So yes, I've got plenty to say on this matter.

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Speaker 7: And I number one, I know Gary very very well.

481
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Speaker 7: We served on council together, and I've also reached out

482
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Speaker 7: to Gary. I've known him for many many years. In fact,

483
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Speaker 7: a couple of weeks we did an event together. He's

484
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Speaker 7: he's a local orderman in my electorate and he nobody

485
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Speaker 7: deserves what's happened to Gary.

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Speaker 5: That's you know, there's a line in the sand for

487
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Speaker 5: all of us here.

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Speaker 7: That behavior is totally unacceptable. But we can sit here

489
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Speaker 7: and make judgment. Or were they on bail, were they

490
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Speaker 7: not on bail? I don't know those details because that's

491
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Speaker 7: the system. These kids will go. Have been caught very quickly,

492
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Speaker 7: well done to strikeforce tight trident, picked them up very

493
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Speaker 7: very quickly, and have put them where they should be

494
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Speaker 7: and today they'll face court. Now there are consequences for

495
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Speaker 7: those behaviors.

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Speaker 5: What I would like to say today for.

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Speaker 7: Every two kids that you see, our agency is working

498
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Speaker 7: with one hundred other families. So you don't get kids

499
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Speaker 7: like this. You know, we are never We would be

500
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Speaker 7: stupid to sit here and say, you know, we climb

501
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Speaker 7: should be zero.

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Speaker 5: Well, wouldn't that be a panacea.

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Speaker 7: But we have social media that is showing these things,

504
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Speaker 7: and you know, my heart.

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Speaker 5: Goes out to Gary.

506
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Speaker 7: Absolutely nobody. You know, none of us politicians sit around.

507
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Speaker 7: We're not heartless. We don't sit here thinking, oh, good job.

508
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Speaker 7: Absolutely not. And so these two people, these two young people,

509
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Speaker 7: yes they're thirteen, they are hardly like it, have not

510
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Speaker 7: been engaged with education. There are issues here around families

511
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Speaker 7: and parenting. And so what we've done is we change

512
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Speaker 7: the legislation not only around bail, and that these kids,

513
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Speaker 7: if they are out on bail, they will if the

514
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Speaker 7: court does their job today, they will be in.

515
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Speaker 5: And this is the discretion of the.

516
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Speaker 10: Courts unless it's a trivia, technical or exceptional circumstance.

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Speaker 3: That's get this a week.

518
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Speaker 7: So next week our agency is also going to talk

519
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Speaker 7: to some of the judiciary I don't mind saying that

520
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Speaker 7: outlet and talk to them about you know the things

521
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Speaker 7: that we have done, particularly over the last three months.

522
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Speaker 7: It's only been eight weeks I think since that legislation

523
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Speaker 7: was passed. We are seeing young people that are repeat

524
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Speaker 7: offenders go into detention.

525
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Speaker 5: I can assure people of that. What's the important part

526
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Speaker 5: is that what happens in detention.

527
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Speaker 7: And when they come out, they're really important parts because

528
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Speaker 7: we cannot just keep putting these kids back out into

529
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Speaker 7: the same situation which has been.

530
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Speaker 5: Going on in the territory for a very long time.

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Speaker 7: So we've got all the Family Responsibility Agreement work going on,

532
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Speaker 7: intensive work at the moment with twenty five families here

533
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Speaker 7: in Darwin and that are dysfunctional. The police know who

534
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 7: these young people are. This is not new, so we

535
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Speaker 7: are working incredibly hard. There's people working incredibly hard to

536
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Speaker 7: stop this happening. And I want to finish by saying,

537
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Speaker 7: you know, Gary Haslett did not deserve this. Nobody deserves this,

538
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Speaker 7: you know, And we are not just sitting here going, oh, well,

539
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Speaker 7: you know, young.

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Speaker 5: People deserve a second charge.

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Speaker 7: You know, that's a wrong thing to say, and it's

542
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Speaker 7: not factual.

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Speaker 10: Territorians feel like your government is entirely offender focus. Victims

544
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Speaker 10: and Territorians feel left behind and nothing's spelt that out

545
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Speaker 10: clearer than the fact that you, as Territory Families Minister

546
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Speaker 10: or your cabinet, asked your lawyers to settle a lawsuit

547
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Speaker 10: for thirty five million dollars a historic lawsuit to youth

548
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Speaker 10: offenders to pay them out.

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Speaker 5: That's wrong. No, you're right, so stopping that lie. You

550
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Speaker 5: are a lawyer, Yeah, that's Eliah. You are a lawyer,

551
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Speaker 5: and you know exactly how action works. This has been

552
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Speaker 5: happening for thirty five years.

553
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Speaker 10: And if you want to look, so the decision basis

554
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Speaker 10: made the decision.

555
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Speaker 7: The basis of the class action was your Royal commission,

556
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Speaker 7: the Royal commission that your government that you were part of,

557
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Speaker 7: between Turnbull and Giles, your former boss Leah All. Very

558
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Speaker 7: nice for you to sit here, but the basis of

559
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Speaker 7: the class action was a royal commission.

560
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Speaker 5: So don't sit here on your high horse and say.

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Speaker 7: Oh this came from no, when you just agreed four

562
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Speaker 7: years of very senior lawyers working off the basis of

563
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Speaker 7: a royal commission that was called on your former government.

564
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Speaker 5: So just take a strike.

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Speaker 8: I think you both you're both stretching the truth a

566
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Speaker 8: little bit there. The Royal Commission was called into incidents

567
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Speaker 8: that occurred both across the COLP government but also back

568
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Speaker 8: to two thousand and six. And there were many things

569
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Speaker 8: that the previous Labor government did that contributed to the

570
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Speaker 8: incidents we saw in twenty fourteen fifteen sixteen that ended

571
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Speaker 8: up in a royal commission. But Kate is absolutely right

572
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Speaker 8: that it was Adam Giles and Malcolm Turnbull who called

573
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Speaker 8: that royal commission on the back of a TV show

574
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Speaker 8: that I think also need.

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Speaker 10: But can I just say that was nothing Morrison? No, No,

576
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Speaker 10: that has nothing to do with toole.

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Speaker 8: Like they settled for thirty five million bucks. But that's

578
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Speaker 8: what lawyers do and the reason they do it is

579
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Speaker 8: because they make a legal assessment if this goes to court,

580
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Speaker 8: what's it going to cost you?

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Speaker 2: That's here?

582
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Speaker 3: But cannot just say.

583
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Speaker 8: No court, if it goes to court, they go it

584
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Speaker 8: could cost you one hundred million.

585
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Speaker 10: Can I just say I did? That is not what

586
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Speaker 10: I said? I said who instructed the lawyers, that's right.

587
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Speaker 6: Who signed off on it to settle the case and

588
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Speaker 6: who and to hide it?

589
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Speaker 10: They wanted to suppress it. You who wanted to suppress That's.

590
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Speaker 5: What it was said?

591
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Speaker 2: One percent.

592
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Speaker 9: Application.

593
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Speaker 10: Well, I'm not making that is the fact.

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Speaker 7: Let's hear from cash this manner is not actually settled.

595
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Speaker 7: So Maurice Blackburn put out a media release has said

596
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Speaker 7: it have been settled.

597
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Speaker 5: It's not settled.

598
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Speaker 7: Till November. What they were doing was making an application

599
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Speaker 7: to go out to all of those people that were

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Speaker 7: in detention over that time and let them know that

601
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Speaker 7: this matter was afoot and they wanted to tell them

602
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Speaker 7: that there was thirty five million dollars on the table.

603
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Speaker 5: That's not true.

604
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Speaker 7: We didn't want people thinking there's thirty five million dollars because.

605
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Speaker 9: That much on the table.

606
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Speaker 5: How much do you think, Maurice Blackburn are going to

607
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Speaker 5: take out of it slide? We don't know either.

608
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Speaker 7: The price is high, much government having exactly So the

609
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Speaker 7: settlement amount from the government is thirty five million dollars.

610
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Speaker 7: It's clear, but we would have liked that to come

611
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Speaker 7: out later. All of the applicants now think that they

612
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Speaker 7: got thirty five million dollars on the table.

613
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Speaker 5: That's not true.

614
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Speaker 7: But you goment in November when it gets the cost

615
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 7: would have come out. But in the meantime, with all

616
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Speaker 7: those twelve hundred people that were in detention in that period,

617
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 7: they now think there's thirty five million on the table

618
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Speaker 7: and there is not because from that comes Morris Blackburn's

619
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Speaker 7: fees as well as the administration costs for the class action.

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Speaker 3: All of that's really love me, but it doesn't escape.

621
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Speaker 10: It doesn't escape the fact that the government has settled

622
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Speaker 10: a claim for thirty five million dollars, a historic claim

623
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Speaker 10: that will be paid to use detainees. If it's not

624
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Speaker 10: thirty five it's twenty five, my goodness, what about the

625
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Speaker 10: big And also that you instructed your legal team to

626
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Speaker 10: suppress the dollar figure. Nothing you say or do can

627
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Speaker 10: escape the fact lawyers do not make the decisions they

628
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Speaker 10: instruct their client.

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Speaker 3: You, Kate Warden, are the client.

630
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Speaker 10: So either you instructed them to suppress it or the

631
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Speaker 10: cabinet did. But either way, don't give me some garbage

632
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Speaker 10: about the lawyer's a ruling the roost. It's just not

633
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 10: how it works.

634
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Speaker 5: That's now.

635
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Speaker 10: Secondly, you have settled it. You have settled it for

636
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 10: thirty five million. Did you even did you find? You

637
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 10: just said it will be thirty five million, gave okay

638
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 10: in November it will be thirty five million, correct.

639
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 5: If if everybody agreed that's part of the process. This

640
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 5: is just a pro.

641
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Speaker 3: So could it be higher?

642
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: Because you're a lawyer?

643
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 5: Could it be h being cute with it?

644
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Speaker 3: No, I'm not, you're being very ignorant.

645
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 5: With everybody across the turner were getting misconser.

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Speaker 3: Could it be higher? Could it be higher? Could it

647
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Speaker 3: be higher than thirty five? Could it be higher?

648
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Speaker 5: It's not still till no, yere?

649
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Speaker 2: So could it be high? Let's take a little calm down.

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Speaker 1: We might take a very short break after Kiss gives

651
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Speaker 1: us her boy.

652
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Speaker 6: He's talked about this last week or the week before

653
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Speaker 6: when I was on this show. If that's the thirty

654
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Speaker 6: five million that gets settled in November, that's what it is.

655
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Speaker 6: We know the lawyers are going to take a nice

656
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Speaker 6: slice of that. That's what lawyers do in this kind

657
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Speaker 6: of situations. But the two questions or three questions are

658
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Speaker 6: who's who actually signed? Who instructed the lawyers to settle

659
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 6: here now? And then in November? Why was there a

660
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Speaker 6: move to suppress it? But moving on from that situation,

661
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Speaker 6: how is it going to be administered? There's a swag

662
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Speaker 6: of money. Is there going to be a trust set up?

663
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Speaker 6: Is there going to be boards? How are they what's

664
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Speaker 6: going to be the methodology to hand out the money.

665
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Speaker 7: Like, that's Morris Blackburn those questions, No, no, be the administrators.

666
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 6: They also that's more money for Morris Blackburn if they're

667
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 6: going to be the administrators well as as the client

668
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 6: I think, and a territory government money, my taxes, your taxes,

669
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 6: everyone's taxes. I want to know how much each of

670
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 6: these individuals who were in Dondale for crimes, remember, are

671
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 6: going to get Okay, they were treated badly, human human

672
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 6: rights and all that sort of stuff, But what about

673
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 6: the victims that put them there in the first place?

674
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 6: You know, three five billion into a bunch of scumbags,

675
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 6: you know, the lawyers, not the lawyers.

676
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: People getting the payer paying back their debt.

677
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 8: They should be paigeing stuff forgetting who've been through absolutely

678
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 8: How had the reputations absolutely cont being continue continue to

679
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 8: be persecuted by this government over the fact that they

680
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 8: got thrown under the bus by the last government.

681
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: I just think, well, look, we're going to have to

682
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: take a very short break because there is so much to.

683
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: Cover off on this morning.

684
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine.

685
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine.

686
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: It is just twenty minutes away from ten o'clock. It

687
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: is Friday morning. It's the week that was also broadcasting

688
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: on AKJ and Alice Springs. Now there's so much to

689
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: cover off on, but I do want to go to

690
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: the situation yesterday where we saw Ian Sloane announce with

691
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Speaker 1: sadness that he is standing down and is set to

692
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: resign at the next parliamentary sittings due to health reasons.

693
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: I know that this is a really difficult time I'm

694
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: sure for he and his family. And firstly I want

695
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: to say that I do hope that Ian is okay,

696
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking of him and hope that he's all right.

697
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: We've had him on the Week that was once and Jeels.

698
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 4: He was good fun and everyone loves his beautiful accent.

699
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 10: He is a very smooth, calm style. You know, he's

700
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 10: very disarming.

701
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 9: He runs a great pub Katie, which is you know.

702
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 8: The good thing perhaps about his exit from politics is

703
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 8: that he'll be able to make sure that the Berry

704
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 8: Springs Tavenn. On a serious note, I think that that

705
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 8: this whole thing shows I reckon we need to have

706
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 8: a look at the way we do politics in the

707
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 8: Northern Territory. Because we want people like him in politics, right,

708
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 8: we want a small business owner to be able to

709
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 8: go into politics.

710
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 7: Now.

711
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 8: I don't know the details of the situation, but I

712
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 8: can imagine that trying to run a pub and be

713
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 8: a politician at the same time is a very very

714
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 8: difficult thing to do.

715
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Speaker 4: And his wife has also works not only the public,

716
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 4: has another job.

717
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 8: Absolutely, not just for him, but for his family as well.

718
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 8: I think we need to have a look at do

719
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 8: we really need to have parliamentary sittings that go, you know,

720
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 8: to all hours of the night.

721
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: You know, definitely finished before dinner.

722
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Speaker 9: I don't know.

723
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 8: I actually think it could be done in business hours

724
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 8: and done more often. You know that the counter to

725
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 8: that is that we have people in Alice Springs and

726
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 8: in remote areas and whatever. But with technology the way

727
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 8: it is now, there's no reason why they can't.

728
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 4: And during the lockdown we had.

729
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: It was phone and it wasn't great, but it was great.

730
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 4: But it's okay.

731
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 6: But look, it's a loving man and I've got a

732
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 6: lot of time from it and we get on really well.

733
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 6: But it's a tough decision and there'll be the critics

734
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 6: out there saying, oh, you know, well you shouldn't stood

735
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 6: in the first place and pay for the biolext Well,

736
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 6: just just I won't be read.

737
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: I was just going to say something, but something about boots.

738
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 8: And but we've all, we've all, we've all taken a

739
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 8: job before that we realized not long after we got

740
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 8: into it wasn't the job that we.

741
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Speaker 10: Really can I just remind everyone that he's got a

742
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 10: serious health.

743
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: Issue and take the I mean, he has been.

744
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 10: A wonderful member of our team, and he's a great

745
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 10: local memory and when you see him in his community,

746
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 10: you know, we were just at the Rosella Festival, you know,

747
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 10: not that long ago, and the report and connection he

748
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 10: makes with people, people just have this affinity with him.

749
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 10: You know, he's just that type of person. And you

750
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 10: know our we back him one hundred percent. You know,

751
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 10: he you know you can't you dealt the cards you

752
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 10: dealt in life. And I think what this also shows

753
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 10: is not only a tremendous courage and integrity from in

754
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 10: but that you know.

755
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: Politicians are people too.

756
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 10: We have all the same problems in life that other

757
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 10: people have paid.

758
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 6: But it raises another question or another issue, like if

759
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 6: you I get asked and I'm sure all Kate and

760
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 6: leg get us too. You know, what do you actually

761
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 6: doing your job? I got our set just recently by

762
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 6: a traveler, So what do you actually do every day?

763
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 6: And so I explained Parlians this much of the time

764
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 6: and the time I do these kind of things. But

765
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 6: you know, for some people going into the job, a

766
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 6: lot of the time they get talked into it or seduced,

767
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 6: as I say figurably speaking. But the individual themselves really

768
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 6: need to perhaps do a little bit more research or

769
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 6: talk to more people like the Kates or myself or whatever,

770
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 6: because it is not it is not an ordinary job,

771
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 6: not by a long shot. And you have to understand

772
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 6: the different components of the job. And some of the

773
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 6: components are not going to be particularly nice, you know

774
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 6: when you're especially now with the day of social media

775
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 6: and you know, trolling and all that sort of horrible stuff.

776
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 4: So it's not a job for everyone.

777
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, But the key component is, as Liz mentioned about

778
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 6: Ian Sloan, is you've got to like people.

779
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 4: You've actually got got to get on well with people,

780
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 4: and you've got.

781
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 6: To have an empathy with people, and plus all the

782
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 6: other bits that go with it. Different for when you're

783
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 6: in a party like Kit and Lea. But then myself

784
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 6: I'm different again.

785
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: You still have to like people if you're in.

786
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: If you don't like people, then it's not a job here.

787
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 6: As the previous clerk used to say, if you like people,

788
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 6: become a politician.

789
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 4: If you don't like people, become a clerk at the parliament.

790
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 7: And you know, we all make our own decisions, and

791
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 7: people often ask you know because we are busy. It's

792
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 7: not that normal job, you know. Sometimes you're at work

793
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 7: at six o'clock in the morning, working right the way

794
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 7: through to ten o'clock at night time Saturday Sundays, few

795
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 7: times not your own in this job. But I also say,

796
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 7: your time for leaving is that you're calling, whether it's

797
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 7: a by election, or you decide not to agree contest,

798
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 7: or you decide to contest and you lose an election.

799
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: This job comes to an end at some point.

800
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 7: People often ask you know, and I say, while you're

801
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 7: enjoying it, And I think I can't remember who it was,

802
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 7: But a politician once said to me, the minute that

803
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 7: your love for this job has gone, get out.

804
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 5: And it's good advice.

805
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 7: I absolutely love this job and I have no intentions

806
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 7: of wanting to go, but you know there's an impost

807
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 7: on your family. You know, we were talking earlier about

808
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 7: where the family members want to come to this and

809
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 7: that we have an opt in system at home. If

810
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 7: he wants to come along, you know, that's great, But

811
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 7: if he doesn't want to come along, that's way as well.

812
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 7: I chose this job, and you know, as individuals, we choose,

813
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 7: and you know, you do have to be a people person.

814
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 5: You've got to really like people.

815
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 7: And from that perspective, it would be very difficult to

816
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 7: do this job if you didn't. But I think what's

817
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 7: important now is you know, the seat of Daily is

818
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 7: now anyone's going have often been very tight. It's been

819
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 7: in I think can I and for ten years and

820
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 7: before that it's with labor. So I think people are

821
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 7: going to be interested to have a clear choice.

822
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 10: And I just want to you know, if people in

823
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 10: the Daily electorate are listening, you know Ian has put

824
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 10: you first.

825
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: You know, he's recognized he can't service you.

826
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 7: And not.

827
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 10: No I'm not, I'm just saying he really he's recognized

828
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 10: he can't give one hundred and ten percent and look

829
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 10: after his health.

830
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: So we're going to take.

831
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: A very short break because they're running out of time,

832
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: and I still want to cover off on that extraordinary

833
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,479
Speaker 1: statement sent out by the KAC commissioner earlier this week.

834
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: Will take a very short break. You're listening to Mix one.

835
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: OW four point nine is three sixty. It is just

836
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: seven minutes away from ten o'clock. And as I said,

837
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: so much to cover off on this morning, and I

838
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: do want to talk about the ICAQ statement that was

839
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: sent out a bit earlier this week. It has been

840
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: regarded as a pretty extraordinary thing for the I thing

841
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: new KAC commissioner to do, and it's said, I do

842
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: not generally seek public attention through the media. I'd prefer

843
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: to let my work speak for itself. Nevertheless, in light

844
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: of recent media commentary and speculation about my office, I

845
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: feel compelled to make this statement.

846
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 2: And he went into, you know, into.

847
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: An incredibly lengthy statement about some of the some of

848
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: the commentary and delegations that have been made over recent weeks. Matt,

849
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: I know that this is some of this stuff is

850
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: stuff that you've covered off fairly extensively. What did you

851
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: make of that statement coming out?

852
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 9: Well, I think it was a necessary statement, Katie.

853
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 8: It was a necessary statement to try to restore trust

854
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 8: in the office that should hold the more trust than

855
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 8: any office.

856
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 9: And I think that's what the new commissioner was doing.

857
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 8: I mean, he's clearly drawing a line in the stand

858
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 8: and saying that you know, under him, things are going

859
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 8: to be different, because you know, let's take a little

860
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 8: bit of the noise that's been gone on away from

861
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 8: this and just looked straight up at the series of

862
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 8: events that have preceded this. And you had under the

863
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 8: previous commissioner some real issues. You had the issue of

864
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 8: the speech at Alice Springs. You had the issue of

865
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 8: the report that was put out into the Darwin City

866
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 8: Council that then had to be withdrawn the next day,

867
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 8: and an apology issued because natural justice wasn't given and

868
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 8: emails ended up in a junk mail folder. We've had

869
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 8: the situation that we didn't know about until a couple

870
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 8: of weeks ago, which was the confidential settlement that had

871
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 8: to be reached out of court with Kesier after she took.

872
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 9: Legal action in response to that.

873
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 8: And there are a whole heap of issues around that

874
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 8: about parliamentary privilege and whether things had been done properly

875
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 8: and then we had the story that sort of kicked

876
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 8: this latest controversy up, which was the story about the

877
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 8: conflict of interest involving the Director of Investigations within the

878
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 8: Office of the IK, Kate Kelly, and the lucrative contra

879
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 8: that had been awarded to her boyfriend David McGinlay, who

880
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 8: is a former police officer who had been as we

881
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 8: subsequently found out, had resigned from the South Austrian Police

882
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 8: Force while his conduct was being investigated back in two

883
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 8: thousand and two. Now, it was sort of that story

884
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 8: that prompted the commissioner, the former commissioner's performance in estimates

885
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 8: that I think, Leah, you know you've seem more shocked

886
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 8: than anyone when that was taking place, and I think

887
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 8: you maybe even said that, But that was a pretty

888
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 8: extraordinary circumstance when he got up in estimates and rather

889
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 8: than address the issue itself, he went after the person

890
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Speaker 8: who he suspected to be the person that the source

891
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 8: of the story.

892
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 4: Now who should have had.

893
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 8: Who subsequently found he'd send a letter saying that she

894
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 8: was a protected person.

895
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 9: Yes, the fact that this has happened within the Anti.

896
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Speaker 8: Corruption Commission is just extraordinary and in my view unacceptable.

897
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Speaker 10: And that's why, you know, we recognize that some people

898
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 10: had become concerned about it, and we thought, you know what,

899
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 10: with a new commissioner coming in, it's very important timing

900
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 10: to have a review into the Act and make sure

901
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 10: everything's operating properly. So that's why last sittnings we tried

902
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 10: to move a motion of the Parliament to establish a

903
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 10: committee that could then do a full review of the

904
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Speaker 10: ik Act, call for public submission.

905
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Speaker 3: Stakeholders could come.

906
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 10: And appear in front of the committee and we could

907
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 10: really look at what was working and what wasn't. For example, Matt,

908
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 10: you took issue with the media. I can't remember exactly

909
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 10: remember that media provision.

910
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 5: Whatever it was.

911
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: You know, we could look at all of these.

912
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Speaker 10: Different types of things, right and of course gouvernment.

913
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Speaker 8: What happened was the Commissioner got up in that hry

914
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Speaker 8: he made that point me and I'm not sure I've

915
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 8: ever made any complain about that. That What he got

916
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 8: up and said was that the protections that apply to

917
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Speaker 8: journalists in front of a judicially not apply to him.

918
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Speaker 8: So he's basically saying, I can haul you in and

919
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 8: force you to tell me whatever I want.

920
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 9: You to talk.

921
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, apologies, that's right.

922
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 10: So in the wake of all of that, we we

923
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 10: wanted to have that dart Now government gun that down

924
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 10: and then we learned later. Of course, that was a

925
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 10: day before the grand Stand Ikaic report came out, so

926
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Speaker 10: little Wonder Gumma wanted to shed light on it. But

927
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 10: we're hugely concerned by this backdoor review that they're doing

928
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 10: that that isn't transparent and open. You know, the eyekak

929
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 10: is is for the people. You know, it's not a

930
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 10: tool of a government. And so to have that clarity,

931
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 10: that confidence, that trust in it, it needs to be

932
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 10: that the people need to have that in it. It's

933
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 10: not whether I think that or Michael Gunner thinks that.

934
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Speaker 10: It's Territorians have to believe it and know it to

935
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Speaker 10: be true.

936
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Speaker 3: And so that's why an open process is so important.

937
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: We how fast running out of.

938
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Speaker 6: About this KaiC review that's supposedly going on, and he

939
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 6: talked about it and said, what's going on, who's doing it?

940
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: When's it going to come out to stakeholders?

941
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 6: Like, clearly I've got an interest in a vested interest

942
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Speaker 6: for lots of reasons. I've got a letter back from

943
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Speaker 6: him and it said basically Greg Shanahan's doing the review

944
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Speaker 6: technical so there's lots of lawyers doing the view and

945
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Speaker 6: in due course there'll be exposure draft that will come

946
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Speaker 6: out for public consultation. Well, I want to know a

947
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 6: bit before that because I personally have a very vested

948
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 6: interest in this and we all know why, and I

949
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 6: know there are specific areas of that legislation that need

950
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 6: to be changed and amended. And it's only because it's

951
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 6: been in for two or three years that you know

952
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 6: some of the weaknesses in the legislation and come through

953
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 6: and have come through.

954
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Speaker 4: So I'm with Lea.

955
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 6: I got the letter from Cheapness, so that's fine, But

956
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 6: why is it? Why is it just under under wraps?

957
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 6: Why isn't you know, Greg Shanahan saying, Okay, we're going

958
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 6: to have He's a brief discussion paper, nothing big, but

959
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 6: let's just started to all the MLAs. Send it to

960
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 6: the Law Society, send it to the Criminal Bar Association, whatever,

961
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 6: you know, whom, everyone, everyone, Importantly, it should all be

962
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Speaker 6: public because what happens, you know, this is one of

963
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 6: the issues.

964
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 8: It's stuff that happens behind closed doors that become the

965
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 8: issue justice done.

966
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Speaker 9: You know, behind closed doors.

967
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 10: He can't have the government control the power of the

968
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Speaker 10: I and that's what this is.

969
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: We are running out of toms.

970
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 7: And also sit on the IK Committee of Parliament. So

971
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Speaker 7: we have met with Greg Shanahan. I'm quite happy to

972
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 7: state that year he's told us what he was doing.

973
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Speaker 5: He's highly qualified.

974
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Speaker 7: He was the head of the Attorney Generals for a

975
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Speaker 7: long time and he will do that consultations so that

976
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 7: that works happening. I just want to go back to

977
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 7: your point at the beginning, Kadi, if I could. It's

978
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Speaker 7: really good to see the new commissioner stating his ground

979
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 7: and putting that line in the sand.

980
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 5: Are you the voice of reason again in that statement?

981
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: I have to say, but he's going to have a pros.

982
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 5: But you know, just that line in the sand for.

983
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Speaker 4: Him coming.

984
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 9: Years ago.

985
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 5: But it doesn't mean he.

986
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Speaker 9: Really likes you.

987
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 5: I think you're.

988
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 7: I think it's important that that that statement's now being

989
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 7: made and that that the IK which we established as

990
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 7: a government can move forward. And I think the new

991
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 7: KA Commissioner is starting his you know, putting that fresh

992
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 7: ground for himself. And I really hope you know that

993
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 7: he not just doesnt make his mark because as he

994
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 7: says he wants to do this stuff he does. He's

995
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Speaker 7: not in person seeking media attention and that's really important.

996
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Speaker 5: So I welcome I welcomed his statement.

997
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 7: I saw it as a really resounding voice to say

998
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 7: this is this is me. I'm the new ourcap Condissier

999
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 7: and this is the work and this is the way

1000
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 7: I will conduct my work.

1001
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: Well, we have run out of time.

1002
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: It is just about time for the National news. Leaphan Kiro,

1003
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: Opposition leader, thanks so much for your time this morning.

1004
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 10: Thank you see it at the Palmerston Market tonight or

1005
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 10: the grand opening of John Johnsville Mac.

1006
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: Who's got to be Matt Cunningham Voice of Reasons, Thank.

1007
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: You for your time this morning. Keys here if you're

1008
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: the independent member for going to thank you.

1009
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Speaker 6: Thank you do I forget coodling the markets and a

1010
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 6: boot sale card.

1011
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: Boots read next Brington before.

1012
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 5: And thank you Katie.

1013
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 7: I just would like to say that that we're going

1014
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 7: to start the room and now that Matt's going to

1015
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 7: run at the next.

1016
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Speaker 5: Selection, maybe in the violex of the Daily and his

1017
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 5: tagline is the voice of Reason, but.

1018
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Speaker 7: Also early plug for run with that let's get if

1019
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 7: they had it in a couple.

1020
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Speaker 4: Of weeks looking forward to it.

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00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: Thank you to you and Leah and everybody for their

1022
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Speaker 1: help on that you are listening to Mix one O

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Speaker 1: four point nine three sixty