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Speaker 1: Jamesy and Amanda gam Nation, Roll Dahl.

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Speaker 2: And James Bond making amendments to their books. Does it

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Speaker 2: pass the pub test? Let's bring in Emma Gillespie from

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Speaker 2: Mom and Mere because you were going to talk about

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Speaker 2: this anyway. So killing two birds with one stone?

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Speaker 3: We love killing two birds with one stone? Good morning?

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Speaker 3: How we going?

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Speaker 2: WHOA?

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Speaker 1: This has been a big story, hasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Well, everyone's a bit upset as they like to be.

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Speaker 3: Roll Dahale one of the most prolific and successful writers

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Speaker 3: of all time. You might remember him. His publisher Puffin

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Speaker 3: have hired sensitivity readers to rewrite chunks of his books

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Speaker 3: so that they continue to be enjoyed by children today.

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Speaker 3: So some of the examples of the edits that are

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Speaker 3: being made words like fat and ugly. In these books,

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Speaker 3: most of the villains or anyone with a bad character

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Speaker 3: trait is usually described as being ugly or fat, or

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Speaker 3: it's something to do with their appearances off and therefore

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Speaker 3: they're bad people. So that's kind of what that's all about.

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Speaker 3: Umpah Lumpas were once small men ooplompers are now small

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Speaker 3: people things defending, you know. In the Witches, there's something

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Speaker 3: about how if a woman has a job, it would

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Speaker 3: be typing letters for a businessman. Now it says something

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Speaker 3: about if she's working as a top scientist or running

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Speaker 3: a business.

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Speaker 1: So just that these books are historically how people spoke.

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Speaker 1: That's the big point, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That is the big point. And in reaction to this

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Speaker 3: Penguin round house with the publishers, they've sort of said, okay, well,

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Speaker 3: what if we release a classics edition or we leave

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Speaker 3: it as is, and then we also release an updated,

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Speaker 3: edited version so you can have both, whereas last week

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Speaker 3: they sort of said they were completely scrapping those older versions.

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Speaker 3: James Bond Books is now following.

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Speaker 1: The suit, so I didn't even know they were books.

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Speaker 3: The original James Bond just that well, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of movements the books.

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Speaker 1: Well there you go.

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Speaker 3: Jonesy's all over it apparently famous novel. They're set to

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Speaker 3: be released in April to mark the seven tith anniversary

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Speaker 3: of Casino or Royale. So a big republishing of a

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Speaker 3: bunch of the books from the fifties and sixties, and

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Speaker 3: they're going to be rewritten in terms of editing out

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Speaker 3: some of the racial slurs. So there's I mean I'm

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Speaker 3: sure you can imagine from the fifties and sixties the

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Speaker 3: sorts of things that those books said. But a disclaimer

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Speaker 3: is going to be added after a review of sensitivity

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Speaker 3: within the book. However, we're not editing out any of

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Speaker 3: the homophobic references or any misogynistic you know whatever women

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Speaker 3: are referred to in any James Bond moment.

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Speaker 1: But what an interesting time of history where in America

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Speaker 1: you're getting whole lot of books that are banned because

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Speaker 1: they're too advanced and too quote woke. And on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, we're having these books that are in historical

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Speaker 1: context are now being rewritten. If you want to read

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Speaker 1: Rolldale to your kids, I reckon you could say, we

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Speaker 1: don't talk like that anymore, do we? But isn't this interesting?

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Speaker 2: But also, but I think they're not relevant anymore. Roll

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Speaker 2: Dale is probably not relevant anymore in the It's as

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Speaker 2: sure as the Grim Brothers.

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Speaker 3: No one reads Grim Brothers just.

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Speaker 1: Making Matilda into a new mo.

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Speaker 2: But what I mean is with the Grim Brothers, for example,

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Speaker 2: if you read a lot of stuff that from the

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Speaker 2: Brother's Grim, it's pretty dark and heavy stuff.

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Speaker 3: But I think that Roll Dahl is still pretty prolific

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Speaker 3: in terms of selling books, He's sold more than two

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Speaker 3: hundred million books worldwide, regarded as one of the world's

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Speaker 3: number one storytellers and successes. And at first when I

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Speaker 3: saw this story, I was a bit like, oh, it

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Speaker 3: seems a bit much. But I spoke to a lovely

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Speaker 3: mum who I work with, and she was saying that

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Speaker 3: she reads these books to her kids, and she loved

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Speaker 3: Rod Dahale. But she does get to points in bedtime

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Speaker 3: stories where she has to say to them or no, well,

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Speaker 3: actually that isn't how we describe someone, and how somebody

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Speaker 3: looks is not a marker of their character.

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Speaker 1: But that's a good discussion to have. If don't change

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Speaker 1: the book, change the discussion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose so. But then she also said, when

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Speaker 3: I'm putting them to bed, I'm bloody exhausted. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to be thinking about the content. I'd rather just

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Speaker 3: pick something up that I know is safe and.

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Speaker 2: That I don't have to explain out there. Everyone writes

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Speaker 2: a book at the drop a kid's book, a drop of.

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Speaker 1: A hat, take another one, So why.

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Speaker 2: Would you pick Rolled Up, maybe say Rolled Out for

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Speaker 2: your own reminiscences from when you were a kid.

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Speaker 1: But Is it only because these are kid's books?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 1: We obviously not, because we've got James Bond, So what

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Speaker 1: are we going to do rewrite every Bounty write history.

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Speaker 3: I think that there has to be a line between

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Speaker 3: maybe the books for grown ups and the books for children.

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Speaker 3: We're grown up, adult people were free thinkers. We can

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Speaker 3: make our own assessment. I do wonder if that the

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Speaker 3: kids books, it's a bit.

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Speaker 2: More your own admission. Emmy, you just you weren't aware

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Speaker 2: of the in Fleming's books for James Bint, So why

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Speaker 2: would you bother going back to rewrite all those books?

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Speaker 2: Because quite frankly, I read a lot of those, most

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Speaker 2: of the books when I was a kid. The James

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Speaker 2: Bond went yeah, and they are just full of racism, sexism.

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Speaker 2: They've got everything they've.

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Speaker 3: Got to try it right, Yeah, but why would you.

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Speaker 2: No one's going to reread those to their kids. No

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Speaker 2: one's going to read that.

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Speaker 3: I like the example of what Disney did, so at

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Speaker 3: the end of twenty twenty, they decided to add a

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Speaker 3: disclaimer to some of their older films, ones that included

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Speaker 3: racial stereotypes. So if you have Disney Plus service right now,

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Speaker 3: a lot of movies on that platform. At the beginning

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Speaker 3: of the film, they'll flash with a screen that says,

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Speaker 3: this program includes negative depictions and or mistreatment of people

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Speaker 3: or cultures. These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now.

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Speaker 3: Rather than remove the content, we want to acknowledge its

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Speaker 3: harmful impact, learn from it, and spark conversation to create

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Speaker 3: a more inclusive future together. So they didn't change the movie.

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Speaker 3: They've just said, Hey, contest is a bit hairy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Emma, thank you for being part of this.

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Speaker 3: Thank you