WEBVTT - Chloe Szep's Confusing Life Announcement 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.600 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.240 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.680 Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Chloe zeb 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.360 is accused of clickbaiting her audience over a big life announcement, 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.520 Jojo Siwa and kath Eb's very public breakup, and our 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.400 Friday debrief. But first, Matsakowski has revealed. What he was 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.560 really doing on the Easter long weekend has been consuming 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.000 my thoughts ever since Demmi Hambro posted that she was 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.840 having this very wholesome Easter morning with her kids. They 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.240 were in their pj's, they were eating chocolate for breakfast, 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:35.920 and he was nowhere to be seen. Yeah. Well, it 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.960 turns out he was in Melbourne, like we thought, celebrating 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.960 with his family. So he shared a photo dump with 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.920 the caption All of this social activity is exhausting. What 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.839 a millennial play on words there. I actually thought he 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.360 might be having a dig at our podcast because he 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:55.360 posted his Easter snaps the day after we released our episode. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.080 Is this play about us? I mean, I don't necessarily 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:00.400 think that that was a dig at us. Eating a 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.720 bit maybe I'm a bit sensitive one of Matt's relatives 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.360 did add a rather wholesome comment, saying, such a wonderful 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:10.640 celebration with beautiful friends Easter was special. I wonder if 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.800 it's difficult for Tammy to join the family celebrations in 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.840 Melbourne because she does have joint custody of her youngest 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.280 daughter Posey with Matt Paul. Do you think that's what's 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.320 the issue. Yeah, it's a hard one because at the 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.320 same time, Matt does have his own family in Melbourne 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.720 who might feel like they're missing out if he's always 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.160 on the Gold Coast with her and her extended family. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.440 In relationships, it does need to be a bit of 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.240 give and take, but it does make a bit more 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.480 complex when you do have joint custody of a child. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:38.440 I mean, it seems like Matt had a great weekend. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.360 The photo dump included photos of him with his sister, 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.559 drinking champagne, a pig on a spit, hot cross buns, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.520 and painted Easter eggs now. I have been keeping a 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.480 close eye on Mattzakowski's Instagram since he has returned from 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:52.320 his hiatus. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:52.560 Well. 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.320 He did another photo dump where he included photos of 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.360 him out for dinner with Tammy. She yeah pop up 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.240 a number of times. There weren't any couple photos, it 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.520 was just singular photos of Tammy. There was also a 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.520 photo of her on a flight, so he's clearly trying 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.440 to say, look, we are together. Yeah, he is dropping 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.440 it without making it too much of a big deal. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.560 He's also revealed that he's being interviewed on Shameless Media's 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.280 Inherited podcast, which I was pretty surprised about. To me, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.160 he doesn't really fit the mold of who they generally 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.960 speak to, but they're trying to get to Tammy maybe. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.720 I mean. I have really enjoyed some of the most 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:30.200 recent conversations on Inherited, particularly with Michelle Andrews and her mother. 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.120 I was in tears in the car listening to that. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:34.800 I have been able to listen to it. Such a 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.680 sad story but also such a beautiful one the way 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:39.839 that they were able to share it. I also loved 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.400 the conversation with Jesse Stevens, particularly about her relationship with 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.320 her husband Luca, because I mean, Shameless put that out 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.960 just as all of the shit was hitting the fan, yeah, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.160 which I thought was very unwarranted. I mean, we have 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.360 spoken about it in depth on our subs channel. Jesse 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.680 Stevens and Meer Friedman actually appeared on the Stellar podcast 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.440 the other week, and that was a really interesting listen. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:02.480 It's clear that they're trying to do a bit of 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.560 pr around the situation because me and Freedman just disappeared 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.120 off the podcast. Yeah, I mean, majority of the conversation 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.680 was about their show, well, the second season of Strife, 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.440 which is about to come out. I kind of wanted 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.480 more of a tidbit about their working relationship and how 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.200 more so how they go as mother and daughter. They've 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.440 spoken about it so many times, like how much more 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.960 can they say? They obviously have to say, oh, we love. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:23.160 It, you know. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.359 I mean, I think Jesse made a good point. She's 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.639 grown up as an identical twin. She doesn't really know 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.760 what it's like to not work with family and be 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.320 around family. You don't have boundaries when you're an identical sibling. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.040 Getting back to Matt, though, I am very intrigued to 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.400 hear his insights because Inherited as a podcast where I 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.600 feel like it's quite deep, and I mean, I don't 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.160 mean to be unfair about Matt, but I don't know 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.080 if he has quite the personality to do well on 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:48.880 a show like that. It's sort of like when Tammy 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.840 Hembro was interviewed by Mea Friedman on No Filter. Again, 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.720 we're bringing up Mea. But yeah, you know when they 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.680 don't quite go into it enough and you're like, you 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:01.960 hope for more, but it's not very insight. We might 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.000 see a different side of Matt. I think this is 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.040 a great pr opportunity for him to tap into that 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.760 audience that are a little bit, you know, not his 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.520 biggest fans, and I wouldn't be surprised if he opens 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.640 up more about his fertility. Well, yeah, it definitely sounds 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:17.919 like it's an opportunity for people to see another side 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:19.680 of him. I know we all have a bit of 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.279 a laugh about the Matt and Tammy situation because it 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.560 does come across as a bit of a circus at times, 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.080 just because of the public nature of it. But the 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:31.440 intense interest in your relationship, particularly for two young people, 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.799 would be very tough to deal with, and I sometimes 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.159 feel like we underestimate the strain that it would put 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.680 on both of them. Yeah, it would be very difficult. 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.320 And then I go into the office, see the girls 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.080 and start my day with back to back meetings. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.640 Chloe Zepp has been accused of clickbaiting her audience after 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.479 unveiling a major life announcement on her Instagram. The og 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.680 influencers shared a photo of her pregnant with the caption 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.640 big Announcement. Now, many people presumed she was announcing her 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.960 third pregnancy, but Kate, that wasn't the case. No, Chloe 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.920 in fact was announcing that she's closing down her active 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:13.120 web brand ZEP. But you wouldn't have known that unless 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.800 you got down to the eighth line of the caption. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.560 And let's be real, most people are scrolling on Instagram 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.320 and don't even read the captions, let alone a whole 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.720 slab of texts. It was clearly a way for her 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.520 to attract attention by following up that photo. Definitely so 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.280 Chloe started out by writing big announcement. Hello, It's been 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.400 a while since I have shared on here, but there's 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.120 some big changes happening in my life. I have been 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.800 contemplating in prayer for a good year now to gain 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.200 clarity and direction, and big decisions always scare me. But 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.520 with God, I know that he holds the whole picture 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.679 and I just have to work it out peace. By piece. 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:46.960 She then went on to say it is with sadness 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.640 and peace that I laid down ZEP for a little while. 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.240 I mean, I didn't find this news particularly shocking. I 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.920 can't say that there's been much hype around this active 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.479 web brand. The last time I really heard about ze 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.360 was when Chloe Zepp was being canceled over her stance 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.400 on vaccinations. When people were burning her Yeah, literally on TikTok. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.640 People were burning her active worth, throwing in the bin. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.800 They were putting masking tape over Zepp to conceal the brand. Yeah, 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:16.880 I mean, I'm surprised it lasted six years. It was 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.680 launched back in twenty nineteen. In saying that though there 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.160 were a lot of comments about how people were quite 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.839 devastated that the active wear line was being shut down 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.520 because people were raving about the quality of it, I 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.360 think it comes down to her been quite an irrelevant influencer. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:31.640 Now. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.320 Yeah, ever since all of the drama in twenty twenty, 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.240 we haven't heard much from her. And even back in 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.240 twenty twenty, I was surprised she was such a big 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:43.040 deal because essentially she was known as Shiny Grimman's best friend. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.040 I mean, I think that Mitch Orvil's presence also helped her. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.600 People loved tuning in to see her and Mitch's dynamic, 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.839 and they had really cute kids as well. But it 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.880 just shows that if you're not going to continually engage 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.320 with your audience and put out new content, you can 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.560 become completely irrelevant space of a couple of years and 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.640 your businesses will fail. I mean, back to these clickbait allegations. 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.679 One person wrote, clickbaiting your followers by making it seem 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.960 like you're pregnant not a good take, which got one 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.800 hundred and sixty nine likes. Another said wait, guys, is 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.720 she pregnant? And someone else added, wait, wait, I'm confused. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.920 Are you pregnant or is the photo referencing being a 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.280 mum to the boys already? If so, congratulations, and Chloe 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.480 ended up replying saying not pregnant, but all old ZEP 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.720 photo shoots. I'm sorry is if she doesn't have any 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.880 other images from past photo shoots to you, she knew 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.120 exactly what she was doing, I mean to be fair, 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.040 it was a photo dump, so there were a range 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.680 of photos, but the pregnancy photo shoot one was the 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.120 first photo on the carousel and it's been juxtapositioned with 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.000 the word big announcement. Yeah exactly. Chloe did try and 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.120 clear things up on her story. She ended up sharing 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.160 the post on her story and wrote, sorry if you 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.400 thought I was pregnant old pick from a ZEP photo 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.960 shoot when I had Sonny Bunny in my belly. I 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.480 think what also added to the confusion was her very 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.520 lengthy statement where she spoke about motherhood throughout it. She 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.360 said she no longer had time to pursue ZEP, and 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.679 while she didn't know what was next, she had peace 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.360 knowing that motherhood is in her heart and she was 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.040 raising her boys. I mean this made many people assume 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:11.920 that she was giving up ZEP now that she was 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.280 having a third baby. One other thing that stood out 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.600 to me about this announcement was how much Chloe reference God. 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.040 So she and her fiance Mitchell Orvill recently found God, 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.600 and she finished up her announcement saying, I look forward 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.840 to sharing more of my journey again as I continue 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.080 to navigate with God. Do we think that possibly she's 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.800 continuing either paid or unpaid work within the church, because 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.440 I'm getting ultra confused how these people continue to make 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.320 money when they I mean, it's clear that they're not 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.719 doing many brand deals. It's not like Instagram is generating 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.559 her an income anymore. And now she's dropping the business 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.040 where she had employees. They recently moved into an office 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.160 as well, so it seemed like they were trying to 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.240 take it to the next level. Yeah, she had six 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.640 employees based on the Gold Coast. There are a lot 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.240 of questions and speculation growing about what is going on 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.679 with the zepp Vials, and there's been a lot of 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.280 rumors about a potential split between Mitch's parents, Mark and 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:10.000 Sharon Orville. People are questioning is the family undergoing financial hardship. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.200 Chloe's mum actually added fuel to the fire by commenting, 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.560 Oh Chloe, with a crying face, so proud of my 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.319 baby girl. You are a wonderful mother and it's commendable 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.360 that you are choosing to spend this precious time with 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.760 your beautiful boys. Unfortunately, over the years, several people have 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.079 taken advantage of your kindness and generosity. But I'm excited 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.640 for your bright future with your fiance and children. Love 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.240 you so so so much. Ow So she's dropping the 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.440 bomb in the comment section that there is more to 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.600 this closure than simply Chloe wanting to spend more time 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.080 with her kids. Hmm, she is. Do we think that 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.680 there's investors involved who have screwed her over? Or is 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.840 she pointing to family members? It's very up in the 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.520 air who she's actually referencing. Yeah, it's very vague. I 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.200 wonder if Chloe was like, oh, for fuck sake, mom, 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:58.480 don't write that, or potentially she wanted her mum to 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.320 drop the bomb like this and level a few of 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.040 these accusations at people and then play it off as oh, Mom, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.719 why did you write that? Because surely if this was 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.960 some information that you didn't want out there, you would 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:15.240 delete the comment pretty swiftly. I don't even know where 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:15.800 to begin. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:25.240 I'm filming this in a complete state of shock, which 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:30.240 I know is probably distressing and is probably giving go. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:36.320 Have a sleep. This week, all anyone can talk about 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.960 is Jojo Siwah and Kath Ebb's very public breakup. The 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.760 former Dance Mum star has just spent the last twenty 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.360 days in the UK celebrity Big Brother House, growing increasingly 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:50.280 close to housemate and former Love Islander Chris Hughes Or 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.880 while her Aussie partner Kath watches on from home. So 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.319 before we dive into the drama, let's talk about the 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.760 key players here. The first is, of course, Jojo cwe Now. 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.240 She is a twenty one year old American singer and 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.679 actress who found fame on reality show Dance Mums when 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.800 she was only twelve years old. She's also very famous 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.640 among Jen Alfers, who she made millions off through her 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.320 very successful air Bow Empire. Now, in recent years, she 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.160 has been desperately trying to cross over to a more 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.760 adult audience, and her rebrand has been compared to Miley 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.680 Cyrus's Wrecking Ball era because she dramatically tried to change 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.000 up this very wholesome, kid friendly persona to a much 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:30.959 edgier and more rebellious one. 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:31.199 I mean. 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:35.079 She's also been called a professional rage baita and her 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.760 rebrand was deemed as very cring. She copped a lot 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.520 of criticism online for it last year, and in twenty 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.920 twenty one, she made headlines when she announced that she 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.760 identified as a lesbian. Now, in November last year, while 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.520 she was in Australia for the TikTok Awards, Jojo met 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.160 our very own Kath Ebbs. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:51.720 Now. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:56.000 Kath is an actor, presenter DJ and content creator fun Fact. 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.000 They also appeared as a trainer on the Kick apps 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.240 and with a firm non binary character on Ossie TV 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.720 show Neighbors. Many people also may have come across Cath 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.800 in Abby Chatfield's content as the pair are very good friends. 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:09.120 Now. 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.880 Kath and Jojo instantly hit it off and fell in 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.760 love very quickly. They have been dating for around four 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.880 months now. Then there is Chris Hughes. I would like 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.720 to describe him as Love Ireland Royalty because he appeared 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.680 on series three back in twenty seventeen where he briefly 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.360 dated Olivia Atwood. Well, they were actually on a TV 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.160 show together and they had to pull the pin on 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:32.840 the show. I think it was like two episodes in 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.679 because they broke up. I am actually a big fan 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.760 of Chris Hughes. I loved him on that series of 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:39.840 Love Island. See. I feel like he hasn't really been 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.000 discussed much in this story. When I've heard people on 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.559 podcasts or in the media talking about it, he seems 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.080 to be omitted. But I feel like it's really important 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.959 to know a bit more about his background. I mean, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.720 he dated Jesse Nelson from Little Mix in twenty eighteen 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.080 and they actually split up in early twenty twenty, so 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.240 a two year relationship there. It is interesting because maybe 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.840 he has a bit of a time for famous singers. Now. 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.439 Chris is thirty two years old and he has been 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.040 working as a horse racing presenter in recent times. I 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.160 feel like his age has been thrown around a lot 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.280 because he is eleven years older than Jojo Siwah, and 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.640 people seem to be making a very big deal about that. 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.600 We need to remember though, she is overage because I've 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.840 seen the word groomer being tossed around. 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:21.400 Yeah. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.960 And for Jojo, even though she is just twenty one, 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.800 she is wise beyond her years because she's been in 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.839 the industry for a very long time. She's not your 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.240 typical twenty one year old. Now that we are all 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.000 across the main players, let's dive into what has gone 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.000 down whilst Jojo has been in the UK Big Brother House, 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.800 because during her stay she has dominated press headlines and 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.920 it hasn't just been for her close relationship with Chris. 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.400 During her first week in the house, she faced inappropriate 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.560 and homophobic remarks from fellow housemate Mickey Rourke. A lot 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.120 of us probably won't know who he is because I 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.520 mean is the UK big Brother, but he's a seventy 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.240 two year old actor and former professional boxer. It is 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.559 clear brother knew what they were doing when they put 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.960 him in the house. Oh, they could have probably written 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.320 the script for it now. During a conversation, Micky asked 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.319 Jojo if she liked girls or boys, to which she 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.120 responded girls. He then remarked I know, I could tell. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.120 He also told the twenty one year old, if I 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.760 stay longer than four days, you won't be gay anymore. Now. 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.960 Jojo rejected this statement, saying I can guarantee I will 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:25.760 still be gay and I will still be in a 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.800 very happy relationship. Well that has not aged well, has 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.760 it now. The conversation got even more threatening when Micky 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.880 said I'll tie you up, to which Jojo responded, I 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.680 can promise you that won't happen. I dare you to try, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.520 and you'll be the one tied up. Good on her 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.640 for hitting back at this absolute dickhead. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:44.160 Well. 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.680 Micky also declared that he was going to vote the 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:50.160 lesbian out real quick, and in a conversation which he 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.320 claimed was about the communal smoking area, he said, I 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.080 need a fag and then proceeded to gesture to Jojo 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:01.240 before declaring I'm not talking about you now. Chris Hughes 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.680 immediately called Micky out, telling him he can't say that, 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.440 and Micky replied claiming he was just talking about a cigarette. 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:08.760 Now. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.320 I want to point out that these comments are, of 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.320 course very confronting, but we thought it was important to 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.240 read them out and provide full context because I think 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.480 it really shows the treatment that Jojo received in the 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.280 very first few days of the house and how tough 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.920 it would have been for her. I mean, we've touched 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:26.640 on the fact that she is wise beyond her years, 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.120 but this is difficult for anyone to deal with. Oh, 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.880 it's disgusting behavior from Mickey Rourke, and you can see 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.720 why Jojo and Chris would have bonded so much, particularly 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.400 because he was the one that stood up for her. Definitely, 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.560 I think that's what really sparked their connection and initial friendship. Now, 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.560 Micky was issued a former warning by the show's producers, 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.280 and he was later removed from the house for making 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.640 unwanted sexual remarks towards another housemate called Ella Wise, and 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.800 also for an aggressive verbal confrontation with Chris Hughes. The 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.800 show was widely condemned, though for not acting sooner and 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:05.000 removing him for his homophobic comments towards Jojo. It's very disturbing. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.400 In this day and age, you would have thought he 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.400 would have been ripped out of the house instantly, but 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.520 it's clear that they wanted him there for ratings. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:10.960 Now. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.480 Once Mickey was out of the house, it was JoJo's 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:18.160 relationship with Chris Hughes which took center stage, particularly on TikTok, 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.640 with snippets of their interactions going viral. Oh these were 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.360 everywhere on my for you page. I feel like I 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.160 watched this whole show just on TikTok gosh. I mean, 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.280 that's how shows go off these days. 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:31.880 Yeah. 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.240 Well it also made the show international because you know, 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.400 this is a show that is aired in the UK, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.400 but everyone around the world tuned into this. Oh this 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.640 is a sign for Big Brother Australia. I think it's 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.000 Channel seven. Then now have it go back to the 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.600 normal format. People want to see the housemates talking and 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.520 having conversations. They don't want to see the games, they 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.880 don't want to hear the strategy. Well, they also had 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.000 a live stream of the Big brother House, a bit 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.080 like up Late that they used to do, but apparently 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:02.600 anytime anything controversial or interesting happened, they would immediately blur 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.280 the screen so that they'd save it for the main show. Now, 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.960 getting back to Chris and Jojo. As we all saw 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.159 unfolding on TikTok, the pair developed a very close and 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:16.200 someone say intimate relationship, and while they did describe their 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.399 bonders being platonic, there were several incidents that raised concern 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:24.639 not only amongst viewers but also their housemates, because the 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:29.120 pair were very physically affectionate. All the massages and backs scratching, 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.600 it was very flirtatious. I would not have been happy 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.000 if I was kath Ebbs. They actually slept in beds 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.120 next to each other and they'd have all these late 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.159 night chats, and one night she was tapping on him 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.080 to see if he was awake, and then she started 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:46.160 writing different letters in his hands to spell out something 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.000 to him secretively. Yeah, a lot has been made about 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.840 that because in the scene it showed her writing four letters, 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.560 but she said that they actually spent the whole night 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.639 writing on each other's hands, and this was actually about 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.520 a broader conversation around her gender identity. Getting back to 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.399 this physical affection. The thing that was quite weird about 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.120 it is it started almost instantaneously, so Chris was already 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.120 giving Jojo back scratches on day three, and as you said, 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.320 it progressed or cuddles. There was also a moment where 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.560 they were in a hot tub together and Jojo was 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:19.920 sitting on Chris's lap and one of the housemates, who's 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.639 a UK actor called Danny Bidd, told the pair they 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.080 either either fuk or just stop and what about. There's 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.600 a dance scene also going viral where they literally look 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.200 like they're about to kiss. Like it's so awful watching 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.199 it all back. That was another thing. They weren't just 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.720 physically affectionate with one another. They appeared to have this 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:40.280 really strong emotional connection because they were practicing for dirty dancing. 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.040 That's the whole thing. They were doing this whole dance 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.960 routine that wasn't part of a task or anything. They 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.560 just decided that they wanted to do it together. I 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:48.960 don't know if you saw it, but there was also 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:53.080 this really bizarre clip where Chris requested that Jojo lick 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:54.280 chocolate off his shorts. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.440 Let's have a listen, lick though, please that has to go. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:02.200 Please lick that off. No, like, lick it. Please look 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:08.119 it up. Start there. Imagine that wasn't chocolate lickyt your freak. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.000 I saw this and the camera angles were so dodgy 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.680 on it by a Big Brother like it looked so wrong. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:17.679 This was one of the things that actually did make 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.280 me feel uncomfortable about their age gap, because it did 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.360 seem like he was really pressuring her to see how 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.760 far he could push her. It was very strange, Yeah, 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:27.800 because he clearly would have known that that was going 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.040 to be cut up and how that would have come across. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.439 I have been wary to comment on all of these 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.760 grooming allegations going on because, as we mentioned earlier, Jojo 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:39.480 is of course over age, but also because it's hard 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.080 to know the context when you just see a clip 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.240 from Big Brother. A lot of the UK public are 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:49.280 completely shipping this romance between Jojo and Chris because they 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.240 loved their dynamic on the show, and they've obviously watched 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.399 a lot of footage of them together. Yes it is edited, 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:55.920 but you know you were saying that there's you can 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.359 see up late and actually look into the conversations in 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.840 real time have it. I think there's also this element 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.360 where people are really titillated by the fact that they 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:09.320 think that this man has turned this gay woman straight. Oh. 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.160 There is a massive element of that, and I think 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.919 people are also so supportive of it because sadly, people 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.920 don't actually see a lesbian relationship as being as genuine 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.280 as a heterosexual relationship, which is just so wrong. It 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:24.199 is extremely wrong. It kind of reminds me of the 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:28.520 hype around Tully Smythe and Drew's relationship in the Australian 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.680 Big Brother House, because I think a lot of people 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.080 will forget that when Tully entered the house, she actually 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.080 had a girlfriend at the time and she cheated on 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:38.760 her girlfriend with Drew. I do remember that Tully copped 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.320 a lot of criticism over it, but in terms of 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.560 the actual relationship with Drew, the people were shipping it 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.040 and he was very popular with the Australian public. I 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:50.479 think he came third ines well. Getting back to Jojo 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.399 and Chris, I do have to mention another really weird 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.600 scene that was going viral. This was part of a challenge, 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:01.320 so they were dressed in cat outfits and Big Brother 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.199 put a kiddy little box in the shared bedroom of 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.119 the housemates, and they thought it would be hilarious to 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.840 piss in it together, so Chris went first, and then 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.720 Jojo also squatted and pissed in the litter box. Wow. 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.960 I mean this is reminding me of a big school camp. 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.200 Like people are saying, oh, how do they get close 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.160 so quickly? It's kind of those situations where you've got 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.680 no one else in there and it's all fun and 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.960 games and you suddenly start getting feelings for each other 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.240 that seems to have been what's happened to you? Yeah, 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.320 it is the classic school camp scenario, particularly when you've 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.480 got all these in jokes. I've noticed that in a 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.919 lot of interviews they've done since coming out of the house, 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.800 and you know, JoJo's been so keen to watch all 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:43.040 of the clips back and she just seems to be 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.080 so engulfed in the experience, and you know, it's so 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.960 situations where you haven't been on the camp and you're like, 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:50.000 stop going on about it. 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:50.880 Yeah. 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:51.080 Well. 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.400 A huge moment for Jojo on the show was when 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:55.840 she told fellow housemate Danny that her time in the 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:59.240 housemates had come to a realization about her sexuality. So 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.919 she said, I've always told myself I'm a lesbian, and 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.840 I think being here, I've realized, oh, I'm not a lesbian, 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:08.359 I'm queer, and I think that's really cool. I'm switching letters. 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.840 I've dropped the L and I'm going to the que baby. 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.919 That's what I love about sexuality. It has been pretty 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.320 remarkable to watch her navigate her sexuality on such a 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.320 public stage and for her to show young people watching 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.320 at home that sexuality can be fluid, because I think 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:27.720 there's a tendency for people to want to label others 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:30.400 straight away and to put you in a box when 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.240 in reality, I think Jojo is really showing that there's 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.080 this discovery process when it comes to your sexuality, and 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.760 it can take a long time. I mean, she is 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.160 twenty one as well and been in the public eye 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:44.199 for so many years, and she probably felt like she 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:45.960 needed to come out and put a label on it 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:49.080 very quickly. And I think what people have been loving 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.840 about Jojo in The Big Brother House is she's not 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.359 what she appears to be on social media. People have 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:57.280 really loved this stripped back version of her where she's 0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.720 being very raw. Yeah, and I think that she's really 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:01.879 liked the fact that she's had her phone taken away 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:05.800 from her there's no outside distractions, and she said that 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.280 she's really had to sit in her own thoughts and 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.399 reflect on her life and get to know herself on 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.239 a deeper level. And I think this admission about her 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:16.720 sexuality is a particularly bold one to make when your 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:20.120 partner is watching on at home, because reading between the lines, 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.560 Jojo made this realization about her sexuality due to her 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.200 very close friendship with Chris in the house and if 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:28.680 you were Kath, you would be questioning everything. 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:29.200 Oh. 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:33.040 I feel so sorry for Kath in this situation. And 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.040 as Jojo and Chris's on screen connection started to blossom, 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:40.000 Kath became noticeably absent from their social media channel, And 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:43.080 I feel like this was a way for Kath to 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:47.280 protect themselves. This story was blowing up all over TikTok. 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:49.119 It would be so hard to watch. I mean I 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:51.960 found it hard to watch, yeah, particularly because everyone had 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:55.399 a take on their relationship, and Kath also was beginning 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.400 to experience some very relentless trolling, which just seems so unfair. 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.320 And during the final week, the housemates received letters from 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.560 home and Jojo was left unsettled by what she described 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:10.040 as Kath's cold message. So the letter in question was 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:13.040 actually written by JoJo's mum, and in it she wrote, 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.040 the most important thing to tell you is a message 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:17.679 from Kath, because I know you really miss them the most. 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:20.960 Kath's keen to see you when you get out. Now, 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.720 of course he's being Reality TV. It was Chris who 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:25.840 read the letter out to Jojo. That was a nice 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:29.040 little touch, wasn't it. Now. Jojo did seem very unsettled 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:32.640 by this letter, and she told her fellow housemate Jack. Shephard, 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:36.200 I'm finding myself really analyzing that note, and I don't 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:38.639 like it. She then went to the diary room to 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:40.920 share her thoughts on the letter. Here's what she said. 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:43.399 God, I love that little sucker. 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:45.120 I do. 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:48.960 I do have beef to peck with them. Though they 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:50.600 didn't even say in the note that they love me. 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.960 I will not let them love that down. I will say, 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.560 where was my high sweetheart? Where was my I love you? 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:00.000 Where was my I miss you? 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:00.760 Like happy? 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:02.360 You're keen to see me when I get out of here, 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.640 keen to see you as well. But come on, bahbah, 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:07.480 give me a little zom zomb. 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.679 I really don't know what Jojo expected from Kath in 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.280 the letter. I mean, for Jojo, who's pretty much a 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:18.880 reality TV veteran, she knows exactly how the mechanics of 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:22.120 this show works. She would be very aware of how 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:25.000 her relationship with Chris is being portrayed on the show 0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:28.480 and also across social media, so she would know the 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.359 scrutiny that Kath would be receiving on the outside world. 0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.720 And I'm sorry, but she made Kath like an absolute mug. 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.960 Did she really expect Kath would then declare their love 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.159 in a gushy letter to her? Yeah, I was pretty 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:44.240 surprised by JoJo's reaction. Now following the letter, Jojo then 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:46.760 went on and spoke to Chris and said she needed 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.600 to wait forty eight hours before telling him something pressing 0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:52.879 that was on her mind. Now, to put this into context, 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.320 the finale was in less than forty eight hours, so 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.040 it was clear that Jojo wanted to tell him something 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:01.560 away from the cameras. This, of course, led viewers to 0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:03.879 speculate that perhaps she was going to tell Chris that 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.320 she wanted to end her relationship with Kath and be 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:10.240 with him now. Despite all of the online theories about 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:14.040 Jojo and Chris's relationship and the very intense media scrutiny 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:16.960 around it. Kath made the decision to jump on a 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.960 twenty four hour flight to be by JoJo's side at 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.600 the finale. I don't blame her though, if that was 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.440 my partner on TV, even if I was pissed with them, 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.480 I'm not staying back home in Australia to wait for 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:29.960 her and Chris to get out of the house and 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:32.199 have all this alone time without me being there to 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:35.760 be like, what is going on? Yeah, you definitely want answers. 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.480 And I think it was quite clear that Kath wanted 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:40.840 to believe that a lot of the drama on the 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.119 show was fabricated and it was just a fake reality show. 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.000 And Kath found out very quickly what we saw on 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:50.439 the show was very much real, and they were dumped 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.840 by Jojo at the Big Brother Rap party, and Jojo 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:57.480 moved very fast. She dumped Kath one hour after seeing 0:26:57.520 --> 0:26:59.399 them for the first time in three weeks. Let me 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.960 point out, and I have to add in I want 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:03.400 to call it a bit of a fun fact here, 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:05.920 because Kath has since shared with the team from the 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:09.159 Big Small Talk podcast that Jojo actually broke up with 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:11.840 them when she was wearing a full feight of glitter 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:13.919 and chains in her hair. This was a look that 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:15.960 she wore to the Big Brother after party, which is 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.520 all over TikTok at the moment, I kept saying, everyone 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.800 saying as soon as Chris saw her like that, he 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.760 was really put off. Well, Kath said, it was very 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:28.480 hard to take her seriously in that moment. Now pretty sensationally. 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.800 Kath shared the news of the breakup in a thirteen 0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:36.399 minute TikTok video which has since been archived. Here's some 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:40.320 of what they said. It has calmed my attention. 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:46.879 In the past eight hours that everything we sort of 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:52.840 saw unfold on what I thought was a fake reality 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:57.320 show where I didn't need to worry about the validity 0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:01.400 of my relationship, was in fact laced in a lot 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:09.280 of truth, which has been so probably one of the 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:18.360 most craziest, intense, awful, horrific experiences I've ever probably gone 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:20.439 through in my adult life. But the truth of the 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:25.919 matter is I decided to show up for my partner 0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:30.720 and hold up my end of the bargain of being 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.160 in a partnership and being a teammate and I flew 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:37.160 across the world to support and be there and hold 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:41.080 that person in whatever they would be experiencing leaving such 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:51.000 a wild experience, and instead I was dumped at the 0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:55.640 after party with Chris in the next room, which is 0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:59.040 fucking crazy to say out loud, It's truly crazy, Like 0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.560 there's a lot of processing that needs to happen. I 0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:08.080 was told that there are confused feelings there. Do with 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:11.240 that what you will, and that they had realized in 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:14.920 the house that I wasn't the person that they wanted 0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:22.680 to spend the foreseeable future with, which has honestly been, 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.800 as you can probably tell by my demeanor, so shocking 0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:35.080 that I feel kind of subhuman right now. Yeah, and 0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:38.840 I feel incredibly humiliated, and I feel a bit embarrassed. 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:41.800 I feel like the Internet might have warned me a 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:49.200 little bit, and I. 0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:50.600 I guess didn't listen. You would be absolutely fuming, and 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.040 you could really tell from Cast's response that they were 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:56.760 in ut of shock. I did find it quite fascinating 0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.920 to hear from someone who works in the television industry 0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:03.320 that they were convinced that it was all just manufactured drama. 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:07.040 And I think it's clear that that's because Kath wanted 0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.840 to believe this and they were convinced that their partner 0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.320 wouldn't treat them in this way, because Kath made it 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.720 pretty clear that they fell victim to some pretty intense 0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:19.600 love bombing early on in their relationship with Jojo. Kath 0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:21.960 explained that Jojo told them that they were the love 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.760 of her life and even asked them to marry her 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:28.560 before heading into their house. How utterly confusing would all 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.600 of this be. To put that all into perspective, Kath 0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.560 and Jojo were only together for four months, so a 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:38.960 marriage proposal is pretty intense. It was pretty fascinating to 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.440 hear Kath drop bits and pieces about Chris because whilst 0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.640 Jojo was breaking up with Kath, they claimed Jojo said 0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:49.360 she had confused feelings in regards to Chris, so he 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.120 was used as an excuse for the breakup. Kath went 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.280 on to say that Jojo told them she wanted to 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:59.360 explore independence and certain feelings. As for how Kath felt 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.640 about Chris, they said they had opinions on him which 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:06.400 they won't go into, and said Jojo and Chris's relationship 0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:10.000 is their journey and to essentially enjoy God. That was 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:13.320 very reserved of them wasn't if it was me, I 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.080 would have gone hamm. I don't think I would have 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:19.080 been so kind. Kath also revealed that despite their efforts 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.800 to fly halfway across the world, they were met with 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.920 a lot of anger from Jojo. Kat says Jojo had 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.720 a lot of anger around the letter and about Kath 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:31.200 not wanting to appear on TV. It seems like Jojo 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.680 has used this letter as a bit of a scapegoat 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.120 to go, oh, it's actually you, the fucked up Kath, 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:38.800 not me. It was really fascinating to hear what was 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.560 actually going on behind the scenes with Kath, because as 0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.320 we touched on, they went offline during the last two 0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.840 weeks of the show, and they admitted it was a 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.920 very upsetting time for them and they felt betrayed by 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.640 what they saw on TV. And Kath said they went 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:55.920 offline because they couldn't get clarity or talk to Jojo, 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.240 so they didn't want to jump online and speculate before 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.440 they had all the fat, which I think was very 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:05.160 fair of them. It was pretty evident how humiliated and 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.920 broken they were by the whole ordeal and the immense 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:12.000 impact that trolling has had on them, and also the 0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.760 media scrutiny. It's interesting to think back to the Tally 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.320 Smile situation because her ex girlfriend never really had a 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.400 right of reply. We didn't have I think we had 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:22.640 only just started to have Instagram, but there were no 0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:25.760 stories or anything. Yeah, people weren't putting out public statements 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:29.480 on their Instagram. So it is really interesting. How you know, 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.200 we've seen JoJo's side of it, We've heard from Chris Hughes, 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:34.720 and now we're hearing from Cath and I think it's 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:36.320 only fair that they got to share their point of 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:36.720 view too. 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:37.280 Yeah. 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.360 And there has been an absolutely massive reaction online to 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.360 this developing story and obviously the breakup. There seems to 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:46.200 be a couple of camps. There was one camp of 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.040 people when the show was airing who felt like the 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:53.200 speculation around JoJo's friendship with Chris was homophobic. Yeah, there 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:55.440 was a lot of people jumping on saying, no, this 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.400 is just how queer people interact with platonic friends. It's 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:01.880 totally normal. They're very touched fear. And then following the breakup, 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:05.080 there was another camp of people who were utterly heartbroken 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:08.760 and angry on Cat's behalf and they were adamant that 0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.720 they had been cheated on and JoJo's behavior was out 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.680 of line. I think there are a lot of Australians particular, 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:17.520 who felt like we needed to jump in and protect 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:19.920 Kath at all costs. Yeah, particularly because we hadn't seen 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:21.560 the show, so it's easy to look at it in 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:23.280 a black and white sense and be like, hang on, 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.680 this woman has cheated on her partner. Then, of course 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:28.880 there's the other camp who said that Kath needed to 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.760 get over it and that they shouldn't be hurt because 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.400 it's just a four month relationship. And then there's a 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.160 people who were obviously shipping the relationship from Big Brother. 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.720 There's also been a lot of people condemning Kath for 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:44.400 making a public breakup announcement on TikTok, and I want 0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:47.280 to jump in and defend that one because Kath is 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:51.520 not the one who made this situation public. Jojo did. 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:53.840 I mean Kath had to sit back for three weeks 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:57.840 essentially watching their partner cross so many lines on international TV, 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:03.200 so many times humiliating, and Kath was really respectful. They 0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:07.720 remained silent until they could actually speak to their partner. Yeah, exactly, 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.960 And I found it really interesting to hear Abby Chatfield's 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:13.719 take on the situation. As we touched on, she is 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.600 friends with Kath, and she explained that she has actually 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:19.440 met Jojo a handful of times and she thought that 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.960 she was lovely and mature, but then said this situation 0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:26.560 has proved otherwise. Abby went on to call Jojo a 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:29.560 professional rage beta and said she would have been aware 0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.560 of the ramifications this fallout would have on Kath. 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:41.360 She is a career reality TV stuff, right, She's incredibly 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:46.720 good at it, she's incredibly smart, she's very hard working, 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:51.160 very successful. But she is a rage beta, right. 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:52.239 We're all aware of that. 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.520 We all know that she knows that any publicity is 0:34:55.560 --> 0:35:01.680 good publicity. It's gotten her career, it's elevated her career. 0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:03.719 She's very talented in many ways. I don't want to 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.160 talk shit about her, but. 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.200 It's elevated her career. It's really blown up her career, 0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:10.880 particularly on TikTok. 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.760 And that's great that she's kind of cracked that formula. 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:19.600 But my issue is in knowing that and being intentional 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:23.880 with that. In JoJo's everyday life and career. 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:28.400 She's aware of how media cycles work, and she's completely 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:32.279 aware of what stories media runs with. She's aware of 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:34.680 how the public react to things and how to get 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:38.200 the public enraged, I think, and I would hope it 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:41.880 wasn't the case. I think my issue is more that 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:45.719 she wasn't aware or cognizant of the potential ramifications for 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:47.399 Kath in this whole thing. 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:49.880 Cath has been collateral damage. 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:52.399 I think Abby hit the nail on the head there 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:56.160 by calling Jojo a professional rage baita. She is incredibly 0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:59.319 savvy online and in her dealings with the media, and 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:02.880 she's been expl strategy and manipulation from an early age, 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.600 so she would be very aware of how this relationship 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:08.520 would have played out, not only in the media but online. 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.399 And she would have known that Cath would have been 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:14.960 sitting at home watching on feeling completely helpless, and to 0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:17.120 make matters worse, she would have been aware that there 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:20.480 would have been trolling involved. Now, following her departure from 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:25.880 the show, Jojo appeared on ITV's Morning Show alongside Chris Hughes. Yeah, 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:29.279 that was very interesting. The Big Brother producers clearly know 0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:31.760 what they're doing. Everyone wanted to see their dynamic together 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.759 outside of the house. Yeah, and of course Kath's very 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:38.200 public breakup announcement had gone live, so Jojo took the 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:40.640 opportunity to say that she hadn't been happy in the 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.840 relationship for quite some time. Here's more of what she said. 0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:48.400 Honestly, D three, I was now in my own thoughts, 0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.720 away from everyone that I know, away from outside opinions, 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:56.080 away from everything, and I sat with myself, and from 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.279 that point on, I really realized things that I was 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.799 okay with my life that I should never have been 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.719 okay with in the you mean, your relationship, and just 0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:05.520 so many things. 0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:08.360 That is one of them, but so many things. 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:12.160 And then I, you know, obviously I wanted to hold 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.960 them inside though, because I didn't want to air that 0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:18.960 out very publicly. But there were countless things that I 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.840 was like, that's not, you know, something that I should 0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:23.440 be okay with and I don't need to be okay 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.879 with and I'm not happy, And I knew as soon 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:29.480 as I got out, I wanted to fix things in 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.799 my life and make the changes that I needed to make. 0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:34.520 I feel like it's a bit rich to come out 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:36.959 and say, oh, I just haven't been happy for so long. 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.840 It's a full month relationship where you have apparently proposed 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:43.319 to the person right before going into the house. You're 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:45.960 in the honeymoon period. Like, what is going on now? 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.200 The morning show host Ben Shephard remarked that Jojo in 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.640 fact did act very quickly, pointing out that she broke 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.680 up with Kath at the Rap party. Jojo confirmed that 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:57.160 she did break up with Kath at the Rat party, 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.759 but that she didn't plan on doing it then and 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:03.640 so Jojo claimed that Kath initially said that they didn't 0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.759 want to attend, but then an hour in decided to 0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:09.560 come along, Jojo said. At the party, Kat asked if 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.279 Jojo was happy, and she said no, and one thing 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:16.279 led to another. The host then asked, whatever, I want 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.480 to know what is going on between Jojo and Chris. 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:24.280 Here's what Chris said. They're clearly a very quite bond. 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:28.320 Obviously we're closely, but I think it's like our friendship 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:32.799 is like it's just a it's hard to expect, it's 0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:35.920 just a really strong bond between two people, which is 0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:37.759 just a strong friendship. 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:39.840 And I think I think you can have like a 0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:43.160 soulmate friendship. I think that's a thing. Yes, And to me, 0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.799 it's like that energy of where it's not like the 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.760 standard friendship that you have with your friends. But it's 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:50.759 you know, it's still a friendship. You know, we are 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:54.239 friends and just it's just nice. And that's why I 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.759 found the whole I found it strange because it was 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:57.760 such a strong friendship. 0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:02.879 Literally, take a shot. Every time Chris said friend, well, 0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:04.960 you'd be very drunk. It seemed like he wanted to 0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:08.080 make it very clear from his end that nothing else 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:10.400 was going on between them. I mean, you've only just 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:12.440 got her to break up with her partner, and now 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:14.200 you're saying, oh no, we're just friends. Like what a 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:16.239 slap in the face. Well, in the comment section, there 0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:18.920 were many people who felt as though maybe Chris had 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:23.000 blindsided Jojo and maybe she thought if she dumped Cath 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.839 it would then lead to a relationship with him. Ben 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.960 the host then asked Jojo if she would like more 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:32.680 with Chris in the future, and here's what she said. 0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.480 And he's a gorgeous boy. 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:43.560 Gorgeous boy, You're a gorgeous girl. Look, he's a great guy. 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.080 It is platonic. We have a lot of fun together. 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.720 Life is life, and I don't know any future of anything, 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.840 but I'm really grateful for our dynamic that we have 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:56.000 in our bond that we have and whatever life does, 0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:56.440 life will do. 0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.319 What I read into this is that Jojo very much 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:03.920 wants something with Chris, and she is planning on exploring 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.279 this relationship. I think that Chris probably is as well. 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.319 He was probably just trying to play it down to 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:11.520 try and not appear to be the bad guy in 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:14.000 the situation, because, to be real, Jojo was the one 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:16.800 that was in a relationship, not him. Well, he's probably 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.960 also mindful that it's sometimes not a good look on, 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:22.520 not a good decision to jump into a relationship straight 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:26.080 away after another one's ended. I mean, they also live 0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.080 in different countries, so maybe I mean, being thirty two, 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:30.759 maybe he's a bit more mature and wants to see 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:33.080 how this would all work. I find the way that 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:37.879 they keep calling one another friendship soulmates quite odd. It's 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:39.759 a bit of wyank, isn't it. Let's be honest, what's 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:41.839 going on. There's a lot of sexual tension there that 0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:43.440 needs to be resolved, and I don't know if that'll 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:46.440 be friendship soulmates after that's happened. Yeah, I wonder how 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:49.680 long this connection will actually go on for Jojo has 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:52.680 been posting about Chris to her eleven point two million 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.880 followers on Instagram. She showed the pair having a tennis 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.240 match together. I believe that they spoke about playing tennis 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.520 withinside the house. To be very interesting to see how 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:04.640 this relationship evolves. Well, if Chris is clever from a 0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:07.879 PR strategy, we want to explore this further and gain 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:12.200 some of those followers. Now, let's get into our Friday debrief. 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:13.680 And so if I want to talk to you about 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:17.680 Meghan Markle's first ever podcast interview on the Jamie Kern 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:21.480 Lemur Show. So of course she has had two podcasts 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:23.759 now of her own, but it's actually the first time 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.600 that she's been interviewed in a long form on a podcast. 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:29.960 And I was pretty surprised that she chose the Jamie 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:32.720 Kern Lima show. I have never heard of this woman, 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:36.240 but she is the founder of IT Cosmetics. She's also 0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:40.440 been on Meghan's Female Founder podcast and the pair live 0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:43.560 next door to each other, so they're great friends. And 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:45.480 they made such a big deal about the fact that 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:48.000 they were sitting in the rocking chairs that they usually 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:49.839 sit on at their house and to have these deep 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:53.440 conversations and they both went wearing makeup. I call absolute bullshit. 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.400 Jamie was wearing makeup. You can see she visibly had blush. 0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.680 On Meghan, on the other hand, I think was bare face. 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.200 People were commenting that she had quite an intense facetan 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:05.759 or nobody. To be fair, that's what I'd be doing 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.319 if I was told I couldn't have any makeup on. Yeah, 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.600 it was quite clear there was some products being used 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:14.200 to achieve that no makeup makeup. Look, I'm confused by 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.360 the philosophy beyond it, though, because if you own a 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.480 makeup brand, would you not want to be promoting the 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.239 makeup that you wear on a big stage like this. 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:22.800 But it was all about being braw and honest. So 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:24.719 if you actually haven't listened to it in full, you've 0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.360 only heard, Oh, I keep seeing a pomp up on 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:30.600 my ticktok algorithm. And it's one of those things where 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.600 it's no surprise to the listeners that I'm a big 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:35.640 fan of Meghan Markle, but I am cringing hard at 0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.040 some of the moments that are being shit. See. I 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.600 think that her first podcast interview should have been with 0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:42.799 Alex Cooper on Call Her Daddy. That would have given 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:46.160 her some credit. This podcast was so hard to get 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:49.920 into because there was eight minutes of hype and it 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.799 was so American, it was so spewy. I was like, 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.360 just talk to Megan. I can't stand it. And it 0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:58.480 was like, I was like, who is this woman. She's 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:02.040 actually interviewed Oprah before, She's got five hundred thousand followers, 0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:04.560 but it was so cringe and I'm like, no, Megan, 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:06.080 this is not where you need to go. You need 0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:07.840 to be on a good podcast where you have a 0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:11.000 good chat, because deep down, I think she's a very 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:15.200 nice person. But unfortunately, because of all the press backlash, 0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:17.480 she goes on these podcasts and she has to really 0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:19.840 push and pump herself up. And she's got her friend 0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:22.040 pumping herself up, pump her up. But I think that 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:24.359 she's got to pump up her relationship with Harry because 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.800 there's been a lot of speculation that their marriage is 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:29.120 on the rocks. Well, she did call him a fox 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.120 on the episode. She said he was a fox, and 0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:33.000 I want to throw it to the way she spoke 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.239 about their relationship because she said that they're actually in 0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:40.239 the honeymoon phase now because before they were going through 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:42.080 all of this crap with the royal family and they 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:44.799 had to hide their relationship. But this is how she 0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:46.600 explained what Harry does for her. 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:52.200 You know, I mean each that man loves me so much, 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:56.960 and you know, look what we've built. We've built a 0:43:56.960 --> 0:44:00.759 beautiful lafe and we have two healthy, beautiful children, you know. 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:04.440 And I always think about it like the end of 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.439 Super Mario Brothers, when you get to the final final level, 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.880 what's the goal? And super Mario They're like, slay the dragon, 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.160 save the Princess. I'm like, that's my husband. He's just 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:16.640 out there, just constantly. He's just going to do whatever 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:19.480 he can to make sure that our family is safe 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:23.600 and protected and we're uplifted and still make time for depntes. 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:30.080 Why Meghan, Why please? I'm to have admitted this scene 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:33.400 from the Budker. There was also this really random story 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:37.319 Meghan told about meeting Baywatch star Yasmine Bleath, and all 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.480 I could think about was Chandler and Joey going on 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.640 about her on friends. So when Meghan was working in 0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:45.279 a yogurt shop, she was taking some trash bags out 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:47.920 to the street and she saw Yazmine and she went 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:49.880 up to her and was like, oh my gosh, I 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:53.680 love you in this commercial and Yazmin said to her, Hi, 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:56.719 I'm Yasmin. What's your name? And she said that now 0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:59.359 she always says that to fans when she meets him, 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.480 because she said she he felt so seen in that moment. Oh, 0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.640 I quite like that story. I think that's quite a 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.200 good tactic, and it's just it's funny that it's come 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.480 from a former bag Watch actor, particularly because you know 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.400 she probably used that skill when she was a royal 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:15.839 out meeting the public. Yeah, it is a good tip. 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:19.240 I also enjoyed hearing the backstory of why Megan calls 0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.440 Harry h and he calls her m And it was 0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:22.880 all to do with the fact that they had to 0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:25.880 talk in codes while they were dating. And it's just stuck. 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:28.319 And I mean, it does come across as a little 0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:31.040 bit insufferable, but then I think about how I always 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.400 call my husband darling and it started off as a 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:35.799 joke and it's just stuck. It does make more sense 0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:37.600 now hearing that they had to speak in code. But 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.240 I think age in particular isn't a letter that rolls 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:42.920 off the tongue easily. I mean, I'm glad that they 0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:46.480 say h instead of h oh. That is my absolute 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:50.239 pet peeve. My husband says h and his last name 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:52.600 is Hancock, so he's always spelling it out for people 0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:54.200 when he goes to the shops for his email, and 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:56.160 it just grates on me and I feel like interrupting 0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.960 and being like, it's h yeah. Recent I had a 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.560 disagreement of it, and we actually ended up researching the 0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:05.359 origins of it, and the correct way is h oh. 0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:09.040 I've seen mixed stuff. I think it can actually be both. No, 0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:10.960 it's not, go look into it all right. Well, I 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:13.200 think that is where we will leave things for today. 0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:15.640 Thank you so much for joining us for this episode. 0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:17.560 If you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:21.080 you are subscribed on Apple podcast and also Spotify. This 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:23.800 episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana 0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.640 people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to Elder's 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:27.440 past and present.