Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Chloe zeb
Speaker 1: is accused of clickbaiting her audience over a big life announcement,
Speaker 1: Jojo Siwa and kath Eb's very public breakup, and our
Speaker 1: Friday debrief. But first, Matsakowski has revealed. What he was
Speaker 1: really doing on the Easter long weekend has been consuming
Speaker 1: my thoughts ever since Demmi Hambro posted that she was
Speaker 1: having this very wholesome Easter morning with her kids. They
Speaker 1: were in their pj's, they were eating chocolate for breakfast,
Speaker 1: and he was nowhere to be seen. Yeah. Well, it
Speaker 1: turns out he was in Melbourne, like we thought, celebrating
Speaker 1: with his family. So he shared a photo dump with
Speaker 1: the caption All of this social activity is exhausting. What
Speaker 1: a millennial play on words there. I actually thought he
Speaker 1: might be having a dig at our podcast because he
Speaker 1: posted his Easter snaps the day after we released our episode.
Speaker 1: Is this play about us? I mean, I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: think that that was a dig at us. Eating a
Speaker 1: bit maybe I'm a bit sensitive one of Matt's relatives
Speaker 1: did add a rather wholesome comment, saying, such a wonderful
Speaker 1: celebration with beautiful friends Easter was special. I wonder if
Speaker 1: it's difficult for Tammy to join the family celebrations in
Speaker 1: Melbourne because she does have joint custody of her youngest
Speaker 1: daughter Posey with Matt Paul. Do you think that's what's
Speaker 1: the issue. Yeah, it's a hard one because at the
Speaker 1: same time, Matt does have his own family in Melbourne
Speaker 1: who might feel like they're missing out if he's always
Speaker 1: on the Gold Coast with her and her extended family.
Speaker 1: In relationships, it does need to be a bit of
Speaker 1: give and take, but it does make a bit more
Speaker 1: complex when you do have joint custody of a child.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like Matt had a great weekend.
Speaker 1: The photo dump included photos of him with his sister,
Speaker 1: drinking champagne, a pig on a spit, hot cross buns,
Speaker 1: and painted Easter eggs now. I have been keeping a
Speaker 1: close eye on Mattzakowski's Instagram since he has returned from
Speaker 1: his hiatus.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: He did another photo dump where he included photos of
Speaker 1: him out for dinner with Tammy. She yeah pop up
Speaker 1: a number of times. There weren't any couple photos, it
Speaker 1: was just singular photos of Tammy. There was also a
Speaker 1: photo of her on a flight, so he's clearly trying
Speaker 1: to say, look, we are together. Yeah, he is dropping
Speaker 1: it without making it too much of a big deal.
Speaker 1: He's also revealed that he's being interviewed on Shameless Media's
Speaker 1: Inherited podcast, which I was pretty surprised about. To me,
Speaker 1: he doesn't really fit the mold of who they generally
Speaker 1: speak to, but they're trying to get to Tammy maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean. I have really enjoyed some of the most
Speaker 1: recent conversations on Inherited, particularly with Michelle Andrews and her mother.
Speaker 1: I was in tears in the car listening to that.
Speaker 1: I have been able to listen to it. Such a
Speaker 1: sad story but also such a beautiful one the way
Speaker 1: that they were able to share it. I also loved
Speaker 1: the conversation with Jesse Stevens, particularly about her relationship with
Speaker 1: her husband Luca, because I mean, Shameless put that out
Speaker 1: just as all of the shit was hitting the fan, yeah,
Speaker 1: which I thought was very unwarranted. I mean, we have
Speaker 1: spoken about it in depth on our subs channel. Jesse
Speaker 1: Stevens and Meer Friedman actually appeared on the Stellar podcast
Speaker 1: the other week, and that was a really interesting listen.
Speaker 1: It's clear that they're trying to do a bit of
Speaker 1: pr around the situation because me and Freedman just disappeared
Speaker 1: off the podcast. Yeah, I mean, majority of the conversation
Speaker 1: was about their show, well, the second season of Strife,
Speaker 1: which is about to come out. I kind of wanted
Speaker 1: more of a tidbit about their working relationship and how
Speaker 1: more so how they go as mother and daughter. They've
Speaker 1: spoken about it so many times, like how much more
Speaker 1: can they say? They obviously have to say, oh, we love.
Speaker 3: It, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Jesse made a good point. She's
Speaker 1: grown up as an identical twin. She doesn't really know
Speaker 1: what it's like to not work with family and be
Speaker 1: around family. You don't have boundaries when you're an identical sibling.
Speaker 1: Getting back to Matt, though, I am very intrigued to
Speaker 1: hear his insights because Inherited as a podcast where I
Speaker 1: feel like it's quite deep, and I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: mean to be unfair about Matt, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if he has quite the personality to do well on
Speaker 1: a show like that. It's sort of like when Tammy
Speaker 1: Hembro was interviewed by Mea Friedman on No Filter. Again,
Speaker 1: we're bringing up Mea. But yeah, you know when they
Speaker 1: don't quite go into it enough and you're like, you
Speaker 1: hope for more, but it's not very insight. We might
Speaker 1: see a different side of Matt. I think this is
Speaker 1: a great pr opportunity for him to tap into that
Speaker 1: audience that are a little bit, you know, not his
Speaker 1: biggest fans, and I wouldn't be surprised if he opens
Speaker 1: up more about his fertility. Well, yeah, it definitely sounds
Speaker 1: like it's an opportunity for people to see another side
Speaker 1: of him. I know we all have a bit of
Speaker 1: a laugh about the Matt and Tammy situation because it
Speaker 1: does come across as a bit of a circus at times,
Speaker 1: just because of the public nature of it. But the
Speaker 1: intense interest in your relationship, particularly for two young people,
Speaker 1: would be very tough to deal with, and I sometimes
Speaker 1: feel like we underestimate the strain that it would put
Speaker 1: on both of them. Yeah, it would be very difficult.
Speaker 4: And then I go into the office, see the girls
Speaker 4: and start my day with back to back meetings.
Speaker 1: Chloe Zepp has been accused of clickbaiting her audience after
Speaker 1: unveiling a major life announcement on her Instagram. The og
Speaker 1: influencers shared a photo of her pregnant with the caption
Speaker 1: big Announcement. Now, many people presumed she was announcing her
Speaker 1: third pregnancy, but Kate, that wasn't the case. No, Chloe
Speaker 1: in fact was announcing that she's closing down her active
Speaker 1: web brand ZEP. But you wouldn't have known that unless
Speaker 1: you got down to the eighth line of the caption.
Speaker 1: And let's be real, most people are scrolling on Instagram
Speaker 1: and don't even read the captions, let alone a whole
Speaker 1: slab of texts. It was clearly a way for her
Speaker 1: to attract attention by following up that photo. Definitely so
Speaker 1: Chloe started out by writing big announcement. Hello, It's been
Speaker 1: a while since I have shared on here, but there's
Speaker 1: some big changes happening in my life. I have been
Speaker 1: contemplating in prayer for a good year now to gain
Speaker 1: clarity and direction, and big decisions always scare me. But
Speaker 1: with God, I know that he holds the whole picture
Speaker 1: and I just have to work it out peace. By piece.
Speaker 1: She then went on to say it is with sadness
Speaker 1: and peace that I laid down ZEP for a little while.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't find this news particularly shocking. I
Speaker 1: can't say that there's been much hype around this active
Speaker 1: web brand. The last time I really heard about ze
Speaker 1: was when Chloe Zepp was being canceled over her stance
Speaker 1: on vaccinations. When people were burning her Yeah, literally on TikTok.
Speaker 1: People were burning her active worth, throwing in the bin.
Speaker 1: They were putting masking tape over Zepp to conceal the brand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm surprised it lasted six years. It was
Speaker 1: launched back in twenty nineteen. In saying that though there
Speaker 1: were a lot of comments about how people were quite
Speaker 1: devastated that the active wear line was being shut down
Speaker 1: because people were raving about the quality of it, I
Speaker 1: think it comes down to her been quite an irrelevant influencer.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ever since all of the drama in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: we haven't heard much from her. And even back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I was surprised she was such a big
Speaker 1: deal because essentially she was known as Shiny Grimman's best friend.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that Mitch Orvil's presence also helped her.
Speaker 1: People loved tuning in to see her and Mitch's dynamic,
Speaker 1: and they had really cute kids as well. But it
Speaker 1: just shows that if you're not going to continually engage
Speaker 1: with your audience and put out new content, you can
Speaker 1: become completely irrelevant space of a couple of years and
Speaker 1: your businesses will fail. I mean, back to these clickbait allegations.
Speaker 1: One person wrote, clickbaiting your followers by making it seem
Speaker 1: like you're pregnant not a good take, which got one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty nine likes. Another said wait, guys, is
Speaker 1: she pregnant? And someone else added, wait, wait, I'm confused.
Speaker 1: Are you pregnant or is the photo referencing being a
Speaker 1: mum to the boys already? If so, congratulations, and Chloe
Speaker 1: ended up replying saying not pregnant, but all old ZEP
Speaker 1: photo shoots. I'm sorry is if she doesn't have any
Speaker 1: other images from past photo shoots to you, she knew
Speaker 1: exactly what she was doing, I mean to be fair,
Speaker 1: it was a photo dump, so there were a range
Speaker 1: of photos, but the pregnancy photo shoot one was the
Speaker 1: first photo on the carousel and it's been juxtapositioned with
Speaker 1: the word big announcement. Yeah exactly. Chloe did try and
Speaker 1: clear things up on her story. She ended up sharing
Speaker 1: the post on her story and wrote, sorry if you
Speaker 1: thought I was pregnant old pick from a ZEP photo
Speaker 1: shoot when I had Sonny Bunny in my belly. I
Speaker 1: think what also added to the confusion was her very
Speaker 1: lengthy statement where she spoke about motherhood throughout it. She
Speaker 1: said she no longer had time to pursue ZEP, and
Speaker 1: while she didn't know what was next, she had peace
Speaker 1: knowing that motherhood is in her heart and she was
Speaker 1: raising her boys. I mean this made many people assume
Speaker 1: that she was giving up ZEP now that she was
Speaker 1: having a third baby. One other thing that stood out
Speaker 1: to me about this announcement was how much Chloe reference God.
Speaker 1: So she and her fiance Mitchell Orvill recently found God,
Speaker 1: and she finished up her announcement saying, I look forward
Speaker 1: to sharing more of my journey again as I continue
Speaker 1: to navigate with God. Do we think that possibly she's
Speaker 1: continuing either paid or unpaid work within the church, because
Speaker 1: I'm getting ultra confused how these people continue to make
Speaker 1: money when they I mean, it's clear that they're not
Speaker 1: doing many brand deals. It's not like Instagram is generating
Speaker 1: her an income anymore. And now she's dropping the business
Speaker 1: where she had employees. They recently moved into an office
Speaker 1: as well, so it seemed like they were trying to
Speaker 1: take it to the next level. Yeah, she had six
Speaker 1: employees based on the Gold Coast. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of questions and speculation growing about what is going on
Speaker 1: with the zepp Vials, and there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: rumors about a potential split between Mitch's parents, Mark and
Speaker 1: Sharon Orville. People are questioning is the family undergoing financial hardship.
Speaker 1: Chloe's mum actually added fuel to the fire by commenting,
Speaker 1: Oh Chloe, with a crying face, so proud of my
Speaker 1: baby girl. You are a wonderful mother and it's commendable
Speaker 1: that you are choosing to spend this precious time with
Speaker 1: your beautiful boys. Unfortunately, over the years, several people have
Speaker 1: taken advantage of your kindness and generosity. But I'm excited
Speaker 1: for your bright future with your fiance and children. Love
Speaker 1: you so so so much. Ow So she's dropping the
Speaker 1: bomb in the comment section that there is more to
Speaker 1: this closure than simply Chloe wanting to spend more time
Speaker 1: with her kids. Hmm, she is. Do we think that
Speaker 1: there's investors involved who have screwed her over? Or is
Speaker 1: she pointing to family members? It's very up in the
Speaker 1: air who she's actually referencing. Yeah, it's very vague. I
Speaker 1: wonder if Chloe was like, oh, for fuck sake, mom,
Speaker 1: don't write that, or potentially she wanted her mum to
Speaker 1: drop the bomb like this and level a few of
Speaker 1: these accusations at people and then play it off as oh, Mom,
Speaker 1: why did you write that? Because surely if this was
Speaker 1: some information that you didn't want out there, you would
Speaker 1: delete the comment pretty swiftly. I don't even know where
Speaker 1: to begin.
Speaker 3: I'm filming this in a complete state of shock, which
Speaker 3: I know is probably distressing and is probably giving go.
Speaker 1: Have a sleep. This week, all anyone can talk about
Speaker 1: is Jojo Siwah and Kath Ebb's very public breakup. The
Speaker 1: former Dance Mum star has just spent the last twenty
Speaker 1: days in the UK celebrity Big Brother House, growing increasingly
Speaker 1: close to housemate and former Love Islander Chris Hughes Or
Speaker 1: while her Aussie partner Kath watches on from home. So
Speaker 1: before we dive into the drama, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: key players here. The first is, of course, Jojo cwe Now.
Speaker 1: She is a twenty one year old American singer and
Speaker 1: actress who found fame on reality show Dance Mums when
Speaker 1: she was only twelve years old. She's also very famous
Speaker 1: among Jen Alfers, who she made millions off through her
Speaker 1: very successful air Bow Empire. Now, in recent years, she
Speaker 1: has been desperately trying to cross over to a more
Speaker 1: adult audience, and her rebrand has been compared to Miley
Speaker 1: Cyrus's Wrecking Ball era because she dramatically tried to change
Speaker 1: up this very wholesome, kid friendly persona to a much
Speaker 1: edgier and more rebellious one.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: She's also been called a professional rage baita and her
Speaker 1: rebrand was deemed as very cring. She copped a lot
Speaker 1: of criticism online for it last year, and in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, she made headlines when she announced that she
Speaker 1: identified as a lesbian. Now, in November last year, while
Speaker 1: she was in Australia for the TikTok Awards, Jojo met
Speaker 1: our very own Kath Ebbs.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Kath is an actor, presenter DJ and content creator fun Fact.
Speaker 1: They also appeared as a trainer on the Kick apps
Speaker 1: and with a firm non binary character on Ossie TV
Speaker 1: show Neighbors. Many people also may have come across Cath
Speaker 1: in Abby Chatfield's content as the pair are very good friends.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Kath and Jojo instantly hit it off and fell in
Speaker 1: love very quickly. They have been dating for around four
Speaker 1: months now. Then there is Chris Hughes. I would like
Speaker 1: to describe him as Love Ireland Royalty because he appeared
Speaker 1: on series three back in twenty seventeen where he briefly
Speaker 1: dated Olivia Atwood. Well, they were actually on a TV
Speaker 1: show together and they had to pull the pin on
Speaker 1: the show. I think it was like two episodes in
Speaker 1: because they broke up. I am actually a big fan
Speaker 1: of Chris Hughes. I loved him on that series of
Speaker 1: Love Island. See. I feel like he hasn't really been
Speaker 1: discussed much in this story. When I've heard people on
Speaker 1: podcasts or in the media talking about it, he seems
Speaker 1: to be omitted. But I feel like it's really important
Speaker 1: to know a bit more about his background. I mean,
Speaker 1: he dated Jesse Nelson from Little Mix in twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: and they actually split up in early twenty twenty, so
Speaker 1: a two year relationship there. It is interesting because maybe
Speaker 1: he has a bit of a time for famous singers. Now.
Speaker 1: Chris is thirty two years old and he has been
Speaker 1: working as a horse racing presenter in recent times. I
Speaker 1: feel like his age has been thrown around a lot
Speaker 1: because he is eleven years older than Jojo Siwah, and
Speaker 1: people seem to be making a very big deal about that.
Speaker 1: We need to remember though, she is overage because I've
Speaker 1: seen the word groomer being tossed around.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And for Jojo, even though she is just twenty one,
Speaker 1: she is wise beyond her years because she's been in
Speaker 1: the industry for a very long time. She's not your
Speaker 1: typical twenty one year old. Now that we are all
Speaker 1: across the main players, let's dive into what has gone
Speaker 1: down whilst Jojo has been in the UK Big Brother House,
Speaker 1: because during her stay she has dominated press headlines and
Speaker 1: it hasn't just been for her close relationship with Chris.
Speaker 1: During her first week in the house, she faced inappropriate
Speaker 1: and homophobic remarks from fellow housemate Mickey Rourke. A lot
Speaker 1: of us probably won't know who he is because I
Speaker 1: mean is the UK big Brother, but he's a seventy
Speaker 1: two year old actor and former professional boxer. It is
Speaker 1: clear brother knew what they were doing when they put
Speaker 1: him in the house. Oh, they could have probably written
Speaker 1: the script for it now. During a conversation, Micky asked
Speaker 1: Jojo if she liked girls or boys, to which she
Speaker 1: responded girls. He then remarked I know, I could tell.
Speaker 1: He also told the twenty one year old, if I
Speaker 1: stay longer than four days, you won't be gay anymore. Now.
Speaker 1: Jojo rejected this statement, saying I can guarantee I will
Speaker 1: still be gay and I will still be in a
Speaker 1: very happy relationship. Well that has not aged well, has
Speaker 1: it now. The conversation got even more threatening when Micky
Speaker 1: said I'll tie you up, to which Jojo responded, I
Speaker 1: can promise you that won't happen. I dare you to try,
Speaker 1: and you'll be the one tied up. Good on her
Speaker 1: for hitting back at this absolute dickhead.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Micky also declared that he was going to vote the
Speaker 1: lesbian out real quick, and in a conversation which he
Speaker 1: claimed was about the communal smoking area, he said, I
Speaker 1: need a fag and then proceeded to gesture to Jojo
Speaker 1: before declaring I'm not talking about you now. Chris Hughes
Speaker 1: immediately called Micky out, telling him he can't say that,
Speaker 1: and Micky replied claiming he was just talking about a cigarette.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I want to point out that these comments are, of
Speaker 1: course very confronting, but we thought it was important to
Speaker 1: read them out and provide full context because I think
Speaker 1: it really shows the treatment that Jojo received in the
Speaker 1: very first few days of the house and how tough
Speaker 1: it would have been for her. I mean, we've touched
Speaker 1: on the fact that she is wise beyond her years,
Speaker 1: but this is difficult for anyone to deal with. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's disgusting behavior from Mickey Rourke, and you can see
Speaker 1: why Jojo and Chris would have bonded so much, particularly
Speaker 1: because he was the one that stood up for her. Definitely,
Speaker 1: I think that's what really sparked their connection and initial friendship. Now,
Speaker 1: Micky was issued a former warning by the show's producers,
Speaker 1: and he was later removed from the house for making
Speaker 1: unwanted sexual remarks towards another housemate called Ella Wise, and
Speaker 1: also for an aggressive verbal confrontation with Chris Hughes. The
Speaker 1: show was widely condemned, though for not acting sooner and
Speaker 1: removing him for his homophobic comments towards Jojo. It's very disturbing.
Speaker 1: In this day and age, you would have thought he
Speaker 1: would have been ripped out of the house instantly, but
Speaker 1: it's clear that they wanted him there for ratings.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: Once Mickey was out of the house, it was JoJo's
Speaker 1: relationship with Chris Hughes which took center stage, particularly on TikTok,
Speaker 1: with snippets of their interactions going viral. Oh these were
Speaker 1: everywhere on my for you page. I feel like I
Speaker 1: watched this whole show just on TikTok gosh. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how shows go off these days.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it also made the show international because you know,
Speaker 1: this is a show that is aired in the UK,
Speaker 1: but everyone around the world tuned into this. Oh this
Speaker 1: is a sign for Big Brother Australia. I think it's
Speaker 1: Channel seven. Then now have it go back to the
Speaker 1: normal format. People want to see the housemates talking and
Speaker 1: having conversations. They don't want to see the games, they
Speaker 1: don't want to hear the strategy. Well, they also had
Speaker 1: a live stream of the Big brother House, a bit
Speaker 1: like up Late that they used to do, but apparently
Speaker 1: anytime anything controversial or interesting happened, they would immediately blur
Speaker 1: the screen so that they'd save it for the main show. Now,
Speaker 1: getting back to Chris and Jojo. As we all saw
Speaker 1: unfolding on TikTok, the pair developed a very close and
Speaker 1: someone say intimate relationship, and while they did describe their
Speaker 1: bonders being platonic, there were several incidents that raised concern
Speaker 1: not only amongst viewers but also their housemates, because the
Speaker 1: pair were very physically affectionate. All the massages and backs scratching,
Speaker 1: it was very flirtatious. I would not have been happy
Speaker 1: if I was kath Ebbs. They actually slept in beds
Speaker 1: next to each other and they'd have all these late
Speaker 1: night chats, and one night she was tapping on him
Speaker 1: to see if he was awake, and then she started
Speaker 1: writing different letters in his hands to spell out something
Speaker 1: to him secretively. Yeah, a lot has been made about
Speaker 1: that because in the scene it showed her writing four letters,
Speaker 1: but she said that they actually spent the whole night
Speaker 1: writing on each other's hands, and this was actually about
Speaker 1: a broader conversation around her gender identity. Getting back to
Speaker 1: this physical affection. The thing that was quite weird about
Speaker 1: it is it started almost instantaneously, so Chris was already
Speaker 1: giving Jojo back scratches on day three, and as you said,
Speaker 1: it progressed or cuddles. There was also a moment where
Speaker 1: they were in a hot tub together and Jojo was
Speaker 1: sitting on Chris's lap and one of the housemates, who's
Speaker 1: a UK actor called Danny Bidd, told the pair they
Speaker 1: either either fuk or just stop and what about. There's
Speaker 1: a dance scene also going viral where they literally look
Speaker 1: like they're about to kiss. Like it's so awful watching
Speaker 1: it all back. That was another thing. They weren't just
Speaker 1: physically affectionate with one another. They appeared to have this
Speaker 1: really strong emotional connection because they were practicing for dirty dancing.
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. They were doing this whole dance
Speaker 1: routine that wasn't part of a task or anything. They
Speaker 1: just decided that they wanted to do it together. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw it, but there was also
Speaker 1: this really bizarre clip where Chris requested that Jojo lick
Speaker 1: chocolate off his shorts.
Speaker 5: Let's have a listen, lick though, please that has to go.
Speaker 5: Please lick that off. No, like, lick it. Please look
Speaker 5: it up. Start there. Imagine that wasn't chocolate lickyt your freak.
Speaker 1: I saw this and the camera angles were so dodgy
Speaker 1: on it by a Big Brother like it looked so wrong.
Speaker 1: This was one of the things that actually did make
Speaker 1: me feel uncomfortable about their age gap, because it did
Speaker 1: seem like he was really pressuring her to see how
Speaker 1: far he could push her. It was very strange, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he clearly would have known that that was going
Speaker 1: to be cut up and how that would have come across.
Speaker 1: I have been wary to comment on all of these
Speaker 1: grooming allegations going on because, as we mentioned earlier, Jojo
Speaker 1: is of course over age, but also because it's hard
Speaker 1: to know the context when you just see a clip
Speaker 1: from Big Brother. A lot of the UK public are
Speaker 1: completely shipping this romance between Jojo and Chris because they
Speaker 1: loved their dynamic on the show, and they've obviously watched
Speaker 1: a lot of footage of them together. Yes it is edited,
Speaker 1: but you know you were saying that there's you can
Speaker 1: see up late and actually look into the conversations in
Speaker 1: real time have it. I think there's also this element
Speaker 1: where people are really titillated by the fact that they
Speaker 1: think that this man has turned this gay woman straight. Oh.
Speaker 1: There is a massive element of that, and I think
Speaker 1: people are also so supportive of it because sadly, people
Speaker 1: don't actually see a lesbian relationship as being as genuine
Speaker 1: as a heterosexual relationship, which is just so wrong. It
Speaker 1: is extremely wrong. It kind of reminds me of the
Speaker 1: hype around Tully Smythe and Drew's relationship in the Australian
Speaker 1: Big Brother House, because I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: will forget that when Tully entered the house, she actually
Speaker 1: had a girlfriend at the time and she cheated on
Speaker 1: her girlfriend with Drew. I do remember that Tully copped
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism over it, but in terms of
Speaker 1: the actual relationship with Drew, the people were shipping it
Speaker 1: and he was very popular with the Australian public. I
Speaker 1: think he came third ines well. Getting back to Jojo
Speaker 1: and Chris, I do have to mention another really weird
Speaker 1: scene that was going viral. This was part of a challenge,
Speaker 1: so they were dressed in cat outfits and Big Brother
Speaker 1: put a kiddy little box in the shared bedroom of
Speaker 1: the housemates, and they thought it would be hilarious to
Speaker 1: piss in it together, so Chris went first, and then
Speaker 1: Jojo also squatted and pissed in the litter box. Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean this is reminding me of a big school camp.
Speaker 1: Like people are saying, oh, how do they get close
Speaker 1: so quickly? It's kind of those situations where you've got
Speaker 1: no one else in there and it's all fun and
Speaker 1: games and you suddenly start getting feelings for each other
Speaker 1: that seems to have been what's happened to you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is the classic school camp scenario, particularly when you've
Speaker 1: got all these in jokes. I've noticed that in a
Speaker 1: lot of interviews they've done since coming out of the house,
Speaker 1: and you know, JoJo's been so keen to watch all
Speaker 1: of the clips back and she just seems to be
Speaker 1: so engulfed in the experience, and you know, it's so
Speaker 1: situations where you haven't been on the camp and you're like,
Speaker 1: stop going on about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 1: A huge moment for Jojo on the show was when
Speaker 1: she told fellow housemate Danny that her time in the
Speaker 1: housemates had come to a realization about her sexuality. So
Speaker 1: she said, I've always told myself I'm a lesbian, and
Speaker 1: I think being here, I've realized, oh, I'm not a lesbian,
Speaker 1: I'm queer, and I think that's really cool. I'm switching letters.
Speaker 1: I've dropped the L and I'm going to the que baby.
Speaker 1: That's what I love about sexuality. It has been pretty
Speaker 1: remarkable to watch her navigate her sexuality on such a
Speaker 1: public stage and for her to show young people watching
Speaker 1: at home that sexuality can be fluid, because I think
Speaker 1: there's a tendency for people to want to label others
Speaker 1: straight away and to put you in a box when
Speaker 1: in reality, I think Jojo is really showing that there's
Speaker 1: this discovery process when it comes to your sexuality, and
Speaker 1: it can take a long time. I mean, she is
Speaker 1: twenty one as well and been in the public eye
Speaker 1: for so many years, and she probably felt like she
Speaker 1: needed to come out and put a label on it
Speaker 1: very quickly. And I think what people have been loving
Speaker 1: about Jojo in The Big Brother House is she's not
Speaker 1: what she appears to be on social media. People have
Speaker 1: really loved this stripped back version of her where she's
Speaker 1: being very raw. Yeah, and I think that she's really
Speaker 1: liked the fact that she's had her phone taken away
Speaker 1: from her there's no outside distractions, and she said that
Speaker 1: she's really had to sit in her own thoughts and
Speaker 1: reflect on her life and get to know herself on
Speaker 1: a deeper level. And I think this admission about her
Speaker 1: sexuality is a particularly bold one to make when your
Speaker 1: partner is watching on at home, because reading between the lines,
Speaker 1: Jojo made this realization about her sexuality due to her
Speaker 1: very close friendship with Chris in the house and if
Speaker 1: you were Kath, you would be questioning everything.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I feel so sorry for Kath in this situation. And
Speaker 1: as Jojo and Chris's on screen connection started to blossom,
Speaker 1: Kath became noticeably absent from their social media channel, And
Speaker 1: I feel like this was a way for Kath to
Speaker 1: protect themselves. This story was blowing up all over TikTok.
Speaker 1: It would be so hard to watch. I mean I
Speaker 1: found it hard to watch, yeah, particularly because everyone had
Speaker 1: a take on their relationship, and Kath also was beginning
Speaker 1: to experience some very relentless trolling, which just seems so unfair.
Speaker 1: And during the final week, the housemates received letters from
Speaker 1: home and Jojo was left unsettled by what she described
Speaker 1: as Kath's cold message. So the letter in question was
Speaker 1: actually written by JoJo's mum, and in it she wrote,
Speaker 1: the most important thing to tell you is a message
Speaker 1: from Kath, because I know you really miss them the most.
Speaker 1: Kath's keen to see you when you get out. Now,
Speaker 1: of course he's being Reality TV. It was Chris who
Speaker 1: read the letter out to Jojo. That was a nice
Speaker 1: little touch, wasn't it. Now. Jojo did seem very unsettled
Speaker 1: by this letter, and she told her fellow housemate Jack. Shephard,
Speaker 1: I'm finding myself really analyzing that note, and I don't
Speaker 1: like it. She then went to the diary room to
Speaker 1: share her thoughts on the letter. Here's what she said.
Speaker 6: God, I love that little sucker.
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 6: I do have beef to peck with them. Though they
Speaker 6: didn't even say in the note that they love me.
Speaker 6: I will not let them love that down. I will say,
Speaker 6: where was my high sweetheart? Where was my I love you?
Speaker 6: Where was my I miss you?
Speaker 5: Like happy?
Speaker 7: You're keen to see me when I get out of here,
Speaker 7: keen to see you as well. But come on, bahbah,
Speaker 7: give me a little zom zomb.
Speaker 1: I really don't know what Jojo expected from Kath in
Speaker 1: the letter. I mean, for Jojo, who's pretty much a
Speaker 1: reality TV veteran, she knows exactly how the mechanics of
Speaker 1: this show works. She would be very aware of how
Speaker 1: her relationship with Chris is being portrayed on the show
Speaker 1: and also across social media, so she would know the
Speaker 1: scrutiny that Kath would be receiving on the outside world.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but she made Kath like an absolute mug.
Speaker 1: Did she really expect Kath would then declare their love
Speaker 1: in a gushy letter to her? Yeah, I was pretty
Speaker 1: surprised by JoJo's reaction. Now following the letter, Jojo then
Speaker 1: went on and spoke to Chris and said she needed
Speaker 1: to wait forty eight hours before telling him something pressing
Speaker 1: that was on her mind. Now, to put this into context,
Speaker 1: the finale was in less than forty eight hours, so
Speaker 1: it was clear that Jojo wanted to tell him something
Speaker 1: away from the cameras. This, of course, led viewers to
Speaker 1: speculate that perhaps she was going to tell Chris that
Speaker 1: she wanted to end her relationship with Kath and be
Speaker 1: with him now. Despite all of the online theories about
Speaker 1: Jojo and Chris's relationship and the very intense media scrutiny
Speaker 1: around it. Kath made the decision to jump on a
Speaker 1: twenty four hour flight to be by JoJo's side at
Speaker 1: the finale. I don't blame her though, if that was
Speaker 1: my partner on TV, even if I was pissed with them,
Speaker 1: I'm not staying back home in Australia to wait for
Speaker 1: her and Chris to get out of the house and
Speaker 1: have all this alone time without me being there to
Speaker 1: be like, what is going on? Yeah, you definitely want answers.
Speaker 1: And I think it was quite clear that Kath wanted
Speaker 1: to believe that a lot of the drama on the
Speaker 1: show was fabricated and it was just a fake reality show.
Speaker 1: And Kath found out very quickly what we saw on
Speaker 1: the show was very much real, and they were dumped
Speaker 1: by Jojo at the Big Brother Rap party, and Jojo
Speaker 1: moved very fast. She dumped Kath one hour after seeing
Speaker 1: them for the first time in three weeks. Let me
Speaker 1: point out, and I have to add in I want
Speaker 1: to call it a bit of a fun fact here,
Speaker 1: because Kath has since shared with the team from the
Speaker 1: Big Small Talk podcast that Jojo actually broke up with
Speaker 1: them when she was wearing a full feight of glitter
Speaker 1: and chains in her hair. This was a look that
Speaker 1: she wore to the Big Brother after party, which is
Speaker 1: all over TikTok at the moment, I kept saying, everyone
Speaker 1: saying as soon as Chris saw her like that, he
Speaker 1: was really put off. Well, Kath said, it was very
Speaker 1: hard to take her seriously in that moment. Now pretty sensationally.
Speaker 1: Kath shared the news of the breakup in a thirteen
Speaker 1: minute TikTok video which has since been archived. Here's some
Speaker 1: of what they said. It has calmed my attention.
Speaker 3: In the past eight hours that everything we sort of
Speaker 3: saw unfold on what I thought was a fake reality
Speaker 3: show where I didn't need to worry about the validity
Speaker 3: of my relationship, was in fact laced in a lot
Speaker 3: of truth, which has been so probably one of the
Speaker 3: most craziest, intense, awful, horrific experiences I've ever probably gone
Speaker 3: through in my adult life. But the truth of the
Speaker 3: matter is I decided to show up for my partner
Speaker 3: and hold up my end of the bargain of being
Speaker 3: in a partnership and being a teammate and I flew
Speaker 3: across the world to support and be there and hold
Speaker 3: that person in whatever they would be experiencing leaving such
Speaker 3: a wild experience, and instead I was dumped at the
Speaker 3: after party with Chris in the next room, which is
Speaker 3: fucking crazy to say out loud, It's truly crazy, Like
Speaker 3: there's a lot of processing that needs to happen. I
Speaker 3: was told that there are confused feelings there. Do with
Speaker 3: that what you will, and that they had realized in
Speaker 3: the house that I wasn't the person that they wanted
Speaker 3: to spend the foreseeable future with, which has honestly been,
Speaker 3: as you can probably tell by my demeanor, so shocking
Speaker 3: that I feel kind of subhuman right now. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I feel incredibly humiliated, and I feel a bit embarrassed.
Speaker 3: I feel like the Internet might have warned me a
Speaker 3: little bit, and I.
Speaker 1: I guess didn't listen. You would be absolutely fuming, and
Speaker 1: you could really tell from Cast's response that they were
Speaker 1: in ut of shock. I did find it quite fascinating
Speaker 1: to hear from someone who works in the television industry
Speaker 1: that they were convinced that it was all just manufactured drama.
Speaker 1: And I think it's clear that that's because Kath wanted
Speaker 1: to believe this and they were convinced that their partner
Speaker 1: wouldn't treat them in this way, because Kath made it
Speaker 1: pretty clear that they fell victim to some pretty intense
Speaker 1: love bombing early on in their relationship with Jojo. Kath
Speaker 1: explained that Jojo told them that they were the love
Speaker 1: of her life and even asked them to marry her
Speaker 1: before heading into their house. How utterly confusing would all
Speaker 1: of this be. To put that all into perspective, Kath
Speaker 1: and Jojo were only together for four months, so a
Speaker 1: marriage proposal is pretty intense. It was pretty fascinating to
Speaker 1: hear Kath drop bits and pieces about Chris because whilst
Speaker 1: Jojo was breaking up with Kath, they claimed Jojo said
Speaker 1: she had confused feelings in regards to Chris, so he
Speaker 1: was used as an excuse for the breakup. Kath went
Speaker 1: on to say that Jojo told them she wanted to
Speaker 1: explore independence and certain feelings. As for how Kath felt
Speaker 1: about Chris, they said they had opinions on him which
Speaker 1: they won't go into, and said Jojo and Chris's relationship
Speaker 1: is their journey and to essentially enjoy God. That was
Speaker 1: very reserved of them wasn't if it was me, I
Speaker 1: would have gone hamm. I don't think I would have
Speaker 1: been so kind. Kath also revealed that despite their efforts
Speaker 1: to fly halfway across the world, they were met with
Speaker 1: a lot of anger from Jojo. Kat says Jojo had
Speaker 1: a lot of anger around the letter and about Kath
Speaker 1: not wanting to appear on TV. It seems like Jojo
Speaker 1: has used this letter as a bit of a scapegoat
Speaker 1: to go, oh, it's actually you, the fucked up Kath,
Speaker 1: not me. It was really fascinating to hear what was
Speaker 1: actually going on behind the scenes with Kath, because as
Speaker 1: we touched on, they went offline during the last two
Speaker 1: weeks of the show, and they admitted it was a
Speaker 1: very upsetting time for them and they felt betrayed by
Speaker 1: what they saw on TV. And Kath said they went
Speaker 1: offline because they couldn't get clarity or talk to Jojo,
Speaker 1: so they didn't want to jump online and speculate before
Speaker 1: they had all the fat, which I think was very
Speaker 1: fair of them. It was pretty evident how humiliated and
Speaker 1: broken they were by the whole ordeal and the immense
Speaker 1: impact that trolling has had on them, and also the
Speaker 1: media scrutiny. It's interesting to think back to the Tally
Speaker 1: Smile situation because her ex girlfriend never really had a
Speaker 1: right of reply. We didn't have I think we had
Speaker 1: only just started to have Instagram, but there were no
Speaker 1: stories or anything. Yeah, people weren't putting out public statements
Speaker 1: on their Instagram. So it is really interesting. How you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen JoJo's side of it, We've heard from Chris Hughes,
Speaker 1: and now we're hearing from Cath and I think it's
Speaker 1: only fair that they got to share their point of
Speaker 1: view too.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there has been an absolutely massive reaction online to
Speaker 1: this developing story and obviously the breakup. There seems to
Speaker 1: be a couple of camps. There was one camp of
Speaker 1: people when the show was airing who felt like the
Speaker 1: speculation around JoJo's friendship with Chris was homophobic. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of people jumping on saying, no, this
Speaker 1: is just how queer people interact with platonic friends. It's
Speaker 1: totally normal. They're very touched fear. And then following the breakup,
Speaker 1: there was another camp of people who were utterly heartbroken
Speaker 1: and angry on Cat's behalf and they were adamant that
Speaker 1: they had been cheated on and JoJo's behavior was out
Speaker 1: of line. I think there are a lot of Australians particular,
Speaker 1: who felt like we needed to jump in and protect
Speaker 1: Kath at all costs. Yeah, particularly because we hadn't seen
Speaker 1: the show, so it's easy to look at it in
Speaker 1: a black and white sense and be like, hang on,
Speaker 1: this woman has cheated on her partner. Then, of course
Speaker 1: there's the other camp who said that Kath needed to
Speaker 1: get over it and that they shouldn't be hurt because
Speaker 1: it's just a four month relationship. And then there's a
Speaker 1: people who were obviously shipping the relationship from Big Brother.
Speaker 1: There's also been a lot of people condemning Kath for
Speaker 1: making a public breakup announcement on TikTok, and I want
Speaker 1: to jump in and defend that one because Kath is
Speaker 1: not the one who made this situation public. Jojo did.
Speaker 1: I mean Kath had to sit back for three weeks
Speaker 1: essentially watching their partner cross so many lines on international TV,
Speaker 1: so many times humiliating, and Kath was really respectful. They
Speaker 1: remained silent until they could actually speak to their partner. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And I found it really interesting to hear Abby Chatfield's
Speaker 1: take on the situation. As we touched on, she is
Speaker 1: friends with Kath, and she explained that she has actually
Speaker 1: met Jojo a handful of times and she thought that
Speaker 1: she was lovely and mature, but then said this situation
Speaker 1: has proved otherwise. Abby went on to call Jojo a
Speaker 1: professional rage beta and said she would have been aware
Speaker 1: of the ramifications this fallout would have on Kath.
Speaker 9: She is a career reality TV stuff, right, She's incredibly
Speaker 9: good at it, she's incredibly smart, she's very hard working,
Speaker 9: very successful. But she is a rage beta, right.
Speaker 4: We're all aware of that.
Speaker 9: We all know that she knows that any publicity is
Speaker 9: good publicity. It's gotten her career, it's elevated her career.
Speaker 9: She's very talented in many ways. I don't want to
Speaker 9: talk shit about her, but.
Speaker 1: It's elevated her career. It's really blown up her career,
Speaker 1: particularly on TikTok.
Speaker 9: And that's great that she's kind of cracked that formula.
Speaker 9: But my issue is in knowing that and being intentional
Speaker 9: with that. In JoJo's everyday life and career.
Speaker 4: She's aware of how media cycles work, and she's completely
Speaker 4: aware of what stories media runs with. She's aware of
Speaker 4: how the public react to things and how to get
Speaker 4: the public enraged, I think, and I would hope it
Speaker 4: wasn't the case. I think my issue is more that
Speaker 4: she wasn't aware or cognizant of the potential ramifications for
Speaker 4: Kath in this whole thing.
Speaker 9: Cath has been collateral damage.
Speaker 1: I think Abby hit the nail on the head there
Speaker 1: by calling Jojo a professional rage baita. She is incredibly
Speaker 1: savvy online and in her dealings with the media, and
Speaker 1: she's been expl strategy and manipulation from an early age,
Speaker 1: so she would be very aware of how this relationship
Speaker 1: would have played out, not only in the media but online.
Speaker 1: And she would have known that Cath would have been
Speaker 1: sitting at home watching on feeling completely helpless, and to
Speaker 1: make matters worse, she would have been aware that there
Speaker 1: would have been trolling involved. Now, following her departure from
Speaker 1: the show, Jojo appeared on ITV's Morning Show alongside Chris Hughes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was very interesting. The Big Brother producers clearly know
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Everyone wanted to see their dynamic together
Speaker 1: outside of the house. Yeah, and of course Kath's very
Speaker 1: public breakup announcement had gone live, so Jojo took the
Speaker 1: opportunity to say that she hadn't been happy in the
Speaker 1: relationship for quite some time. Here's more of what she said.
Speaker 7: Honestly, D three, I was now in my own thoughts,
Speaker 7: away from everyone that I know, away from outside opinions,
Speaker 7: away from everything, and I sat with myself, and from
Speaker 7: that point on, I really realized things that I was
Speaker 7: okay with my life that I should never have been
Speaker 7: okay with in the you mean, your relationship, and just
Speaker 7: so many things.
Speaker 1: That is one of them, but so many things.
Speaker 7: And then I, you know, obviously I wanted to hold
Speaker 7: them inside though, because I didn't want to air that
Speaker 7: out very publicly. But there were countless things that I
Speaker 7: was like, that's not, you know, something that I should
Speaker 7: be okay with and I don't need to be okay
Speaker 7: with and I'm not happy, And I knew as soon
Speaker 7: as I got out, I wanted to fix things in
Speaker 7: my life and make the changes that I needed to make.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a bit rich to come out
Speaker 1: and say, oh, I just haven't been happy for so long.
Speaker 1: It's a full month relationship where you have apparently proposed
Speaker 1: to the person right before going into the house. You're
Speaker 1: in the honeymoon period. Like, what is going on now?
Speaker 1: The morning show host Ben Shephard remarked that Jojo in
Speaker 1: fact did act very quickly, pointing out that she broke
Speaker 1: up with Kath at the Rap party. Jojo confirmed that
Speaker 1: she did break up with Kath at the Rat party,
Speaker 1: but that she didn't plan on doing it then and
Speaker 1: so Jojo claimed that Kath initially said that they didn't
Speaker 1: want to attend, but then an hour in decided to
Speaker 1: come along, Jojo said. At the party, Kat asked if
Speaker 1: Jojo was happy, and she said no, and one thing
Speaker 1: led to another. The host then asked, whatever, I want
Speaker 1: to know what is going on between Jojo and Chris.
Speaker 1: Here's what Chris said. They're clearly a very quite bond.
Speaker 2: Obviously we're closely, but I think it's like our friendship
Speaker 2: is like it's just a it's hard to expect, it's
Speaker 2: just a really strong bond between two people, which is
Speaker 2: just a strong friendship.
Speaker 8: And I think I think you can have like a
Speaker 8: soulmate friendship. I think that's a thing. Yes, And to me,
Speaker 8: it's like that energy of where it's not like the
Speaker 8: standard friendship that you have with your friends. But it's
Speaker 8: you know, it's still a friendship. You know, we are
Speaker 8: friends and just it's just nice. And that's why I
Speaker 8: found the whole I found it strange because it was
Speaker 8: such a strong friendship.
Speaker 1: Literally, take a shot. Every time Chris said friend, well,
Speaker 1: you'd be very drunk. It seemed like he wanted to
Speaker 1: make it very clear from his end that nothing else
Speaker 1: was going on between them. I mean, you've only just
Speaker 1: got her to break up with her partner, and now
Speaker 1: you're saying, oh no, we're just friends. Like what a
Speaker 1: slap in the face. Well, in the comment section, there
Speaker 1: were many people who felt as though maybe Chris had
Speaker 1: blindsided Jojo and maybe she thought if she dumped Cath
Speaker 1: it would then lead to a relationship with him. Ben
Speaker 1: the host then asked Jojo if she would like more
Speaker 1: with Chris in the future, and here's what she said.
Speaker 8: And he's a gorgeous boy.
Speaker 7: Gorgeous boy, You're a gorgeous girl. Look, he's a great guy.
Speaker 7: It is platonic. We have a lot of fun together.
Speaker 7: Life is life, and I don't know any future of anything,
Speaker 7: but I'm really grateful for our dynamic that we have
Speaker 7: in our bond that we have and whatever life does,
Speaker 7: life will do.
Speaker 1: What I read into this is that Jojo very much
Speaker 1: wants something with Chris, and she is planning on exploring
Speaker 1: this relationship. I think that Chris probably is as well.
Speaker 1: He was probably just trying to play it down to
Speaker 1: try and not appear to be the bad guy in
Speaker 1: the situation, because, to be real, Jojo was the one
Speaker 1: that was in a relationship, not him. Well, he's probably
Speaker 1: also mindful that it's sometimes not a good look on,
Speaker 1: not a good decision to jump into a relationship straight
Speaker 1: away after another one's ended. I mean, they also live
Speaker 1: in different countries, so maybe I mean, being thirty two,
Speaker 1: maybe he's a bit more mature and wants to see
Speaker 1: how this would all work. I find the way that
Speaker 1: they keep calling one another friendship soulmates quite odd. It's
Speaker 1: a bit of wyank, isn't it. Let's be honest, what's
Speaker 1: going on. There's a lot of sexual tension there that
Speaker 1: needs to be resolved, and I don't know if that'll
Speaker 1: be friendship soulmates after that's happened. Yeah, I wonder how
Speaker 1: long this connection will actually go on for Jojo has
Speaker 1: been posting about Chris to her eleven point two million
Speaker 1: followers on Instagram. She showed the pair having a tennis
Speaker 1: match together. I believe that they spoke about playing tennis
Speaker 1: withinside the house. To be very interesting to see how
Speaker 1: this relationship evolves. Well, if Chris is clever from a
Speaker 1: PR strategy, we want to explore this further and gain
Speaker 1: some of those followers. Now, let's get into our Friday debrief.
Speaker 1: And so if I want to talk to you about
Speaker 1: Meghan Markle's first ever podcast interview on the Jamie Kern
Speaker 1: Lemur Show. So of course she has had two podcasts
Speaker 1: now of her own, but it's actually the first time
Speaker 1: that she's been interviewed in a long form on a podcast.
Speaker 1: And I was pretty surprised that she chose the Jamie
Speaker 1: Kern Lima show. I have never heard of this woman,
Speaker 1: but she is the founder of IT Cosmetics. She's also
Speaker 1: been on Meghan's Female Founder podcast and the pair live
Speaker 1: next door to each other, so they're great friends. And
Speaker 1: they made such a big deal about the fact that
Speaker 1: they were sitting in the rocking chairs that they usually
Speaker 1: sit on at their house and to have these deep
Speaker 1: conversations and they both went wearing makeup. I call absolute bullshit.
Speaker 1: Jamie was wearing makeup. You can see she visibly had blush.
Speaker 1: On Meghan, on the other hand, I think was bare face.
Speaker 1: People were commenting that she had quite an intense facetan
Speaker 1: or nobody. To be fair, that's what I'd be doing
Speaker 1: if I was told I couldn't have any makeup on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was quite clear there was some products being used
Speaker 1: to achieve that no makeup makeup. Look, I'm confused by
Speaker 1: the philosophy beyond it, though, because if you own a
Speaker 1: makeup brand, would you not want to be promoting the
Speaker 1: makeup that you wear on a big stage like this.
Speaker 1: But it was all about being braw and honest. So
Speaker 1: if you actually haven't listened to it in full, you've
Speaker 1: only heard, Oh, I keep seeing a pomp up on
Speaker 1: my ticktok algorithm. And it's one of those things where
Speaker 1: it's no surprise to the listeners that I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of Meghan Markle, but I am cringing hard at
Speaker 1: some of the moments that are being shit. See. I
Speaker 1: think that her first podcast interview should have been with
Speaker 1: Alex Cooper on Call Her Daddy. That would have given
Speaker 1: her some credit. This podcast was so hard to get
Speaker 1: into because there was eight minutes of hype and it
Speaker 1: was so American, it was so spewy. I was like,
Speaker 1: just talk to Megan. I can't stand it. And it
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, who is this woman. She's
Speaker 1: actually interviewed Oprah before, She's got five hundred thousand followers,
Speaker 1: but it was so cringe and I'm like, no, Megan,
Speaker 1: this is not where you need to go. You need
Speaker 1: to be on a good podcast where you have a
Speaker 1: good chat, because deep down, I think she's a very
Speaker 1: nice person. But unfortunately, because of all the press backlash,
Speaker 1: she goes on these podcasts and she has to really
Speaker 1: push and pump herself up. And she's got her friend
Speaker 1: pumping herself up, pump her up. But I think that
Speaker 1: she's got to pump up her relationship with Harry because
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of speculation that their marriage is
Speaker 1: on the rocks. Well, she did call him a fox
Speaker 1: on the episode. She said he was a fox, and
Speaker 1: I want to throw it to the way she spoke
Speaker 1: about their relationship because she said that they're actually in
Speaker 1: the honeymoon phase now because before they were going through
Speaker 1: all of this crap with the royal family and they
Speaker 1: had to hide their relationship. But this is how she
Speaker 1: explained what Harry does for her.
Speaker 10: You know, I mean each that man loves me so much,
Speaker 10: and you know, look what we've built. We've built a
Speaker 10: beautiful lafe and we have two healthy, beautiful children, you know.
Speaker 10: And I always think about it like the end of
Speaker 10: Super Mario Brothers, when you get to the final final level,
Speaker 10: what's the goal? And super Mario They're like, slay the dragon,
Speaker 10: save the Princess. I'm like, that's my husband. He's just
Speaker 10: out there, just constantly. He's just going to do whatever
Speaker 10: he can to make sure that our family is safe
Speaker 10: and protected and we're uplifted and still make time for depntes.
Speaker 1: Why Meghan, Why please? I'm to have admitted this scene
Speaker 1: from the Budker. There was also this really random story
Speaker 1: Meghan told about meeting Baywatch star Yasmine Bleath, and all
Speaker 1: I could think about was Chandler and Joey going on
Speaker 1: about her on friends. So when Meghan was working in
Speaker 1: a yogurt shop, she was taking some trash bags out
Speaker 1: to the street and she saw Yazmine and she went
Speaker 1: up to her and was like, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: love you in this commercial and Yazmin said to her, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Yasmin. What's your name? And she said that now
Speaker 1: she always says that to fans when she meets him,
Speaker 1: because she said she he felt so seen in that moment. Oh,
Speaker 1: I quite like that story. I think that's quite a
Speaker 1: good tactic, and it's just it's funny that it's come
Speaker 1: from a former bag Watch actor, particularly because you know
Speaker 1: she probably used that skill when she was a royal
Speaker 1: out meeting the public. Yeah, it is a good tip.
Speaker 1: I also enjoyed hearing the backstory of why Megan calls
Speaker 1: Harry h and he calls her m And it was
Speaker 1: all to do with the fact that they had to
Speaker 1: talk in codes while they were dating. And it's just stuck.
Speaker 1: And I mean, it does come across as a little
Speaker 1: bit insufferable, but then I think about how I always
Speaker 1: call my husband darling and it started off as a
Speaker 1: joke and it's just stuck. It does make more sense
Speaker 1: now hearing that they had to speak in code. But
Speaker 1: I think age in particular isn't a letter that rolls
Speaker 1: off the tongue easily. I mean, I'm glad that they
Speaker 1: say h instead of h oh. That is my absolute
Speaker 1: pet peeve. My husband says h and his last name
Speaker 1: is Hancock, so he's always spelling it out for people
Speaker 1: when he goes to the shops for his email, and
Speaker 1: it just grates on me and I feel like interrupting
Speaker 1: and being like, it's h yeah. Recent I had a
Speaker 1: disagreement of it, and we actually ended up researching the
Speaker 1: origins of it, and the correct way is h oh.
Speaker 1: I've seen mixed stuff. I think it can actually be both. No,
Speaker 1: it's not, go look into it all right. Well, I
Speaker 1: think that is where we will leave things for today.
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