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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Chloe zeb

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Speaker 1: is accused of clickbaiting her audience over a big life announcement,

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Speaker 1: Jojo Siwa and kath Eb's very public breakup, and our

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Speaker 1: Friday debrief. But first, Matsakowski has revealed. What he was

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Speaker 1: really doing on the Easter long weekend has been consuming

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Speaker 1: my thoughts ever since Demmi Hambro posted that she was

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Speaker 1: having this very wholesome Easter morning with her kids. They

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Speaker 1: were in their pj's, they were eating chocolate for breakfast,

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Speaker 1: and he was nowhere to be seen. Yeah. Well, it

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Speaker 1: turns out he was in Melbourne, like we thought, celebrating

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Speaker 1: with his family. So he shared a photo dump with

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Speaker 1: the caption All of this social activity is exhausting. What

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Speaker 1: a millennial play on words there. I actually thought he

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Speaker 1: might be having a dig at our podcast because he

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Speaker 1: posted his Easter snaps the day after we released our episode.

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Speaker 1: Is this play about us? I mean, I don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: think that that was a dig at us. Eating a

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Speaker 1: bit maybe I'm a bit sensitive one of Matt's relatives

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Speaker 1: did add a rather wholesome comment, saying, such a wonderful

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Speaker 1: celebration with beautiful friends Easter was special. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: it's difficult for Tammy to join the family celebrations in

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Speaker 1: Melbourne because she does have joint custody of her youngest

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Speaker 1: daughter Posey with Matt Paul. Do you think that's what's

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Speaker 1: the issue. Yeah, it's a hard one because at the

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Speaker 1: same time, Matt does have his own family in Melbourne

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Speaker 1: who might feel like they're missing out if he's always

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Speaker 1: on the Gold Coast with her and her extended family.

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Speaker 1: In relationships, it does need to be a bit of

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Speaker 1: give and take, but it does make a bit more

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Speaker 1: complex when you do have joint custody of a child.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like Matt had a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: The photo dump included photos of him with his sister,

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Speaker 1: drinking champagne, a pig on a spit, hot cross buns,

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Speaker 1: and painted Easter eggs now. I have been keeping a

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Speaker 1: close eye on Mattzakowski's Instagram since he has returned from

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Speaker 1: his hiatus.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: He did another photo dump where he included photos of

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Speaker 1: him out for dinner with Tammy. She yeah pop up

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Speaker 1: a number of times. There weren't any couple photos, it

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Speaker 1: was just singular photos of Tammy. There was also a

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Speaker 1: photo of her on a flight, so he's clearly trying

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Speaker 1: to say, look, we are together. Yeah, he is dropping

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Speaker 1: it without making it too much of a big deal.

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Speaker 1: He's also revealed that he's being interviewed on Shameless Media's

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Speaker 1: Inherited podcast, which I was pretty surprised about. To me,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't really fit the mold of who they generally

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Speaker 1: speak to, but they're trying to get to Tammy maybe.

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Speaker 1: I mean. I have really enjoyed some of the most

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Speaker 1: recent conversations on Inherited, particularly with Michelle Andrews and her mother.

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Speaker 1: I was in tears in the car listening to that.

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Speaker 1: I have been able to listen to it. Such a

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Speaker 1: sad story but also such a beautiful one the way

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Speaker 1: that they were able to share it. I also loved

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Speaker 1: the conversation with Jesse Stevens, particularly about her relationship with

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Speaker 1: her husband Luca, because I mean, Shameless put that out

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Speaker 1: just as all of the shit was hitting the fan, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which I thought was very unwarranted. I mean, we have

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Speaker 1: spoken about it in depth on our subs channel. Jesse

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Speaker 1: the other week, and that was a really interesting listen.

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Speaker 1: It's clear that they're trying to do a bit of

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Speaker 1: pr around the situation because me and Freedman just disappeared

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Speaker 1: off the podcast. Yeah, I mean, majority of the conversation

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Speaker 1: which is about to come out. I kind of wanted

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Speaker 1: more of a tidbit about their working relationship and how

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Speaker 1: more so how they go as mother and daughter. They've

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Speaker 1: spoken about it so many times, like how much more

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Speaker 1: can they say? They obviously have to say, oh, we love.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Jesse made a good point. She's

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Speaker 1: grown up as an identical twin. She doesn't really know

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Speaker 1: what it's like to not work with family and be

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Speaker 1: around family. You don't have boundaries when you're an identical sibling.

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Speaker 1: Getting back to Matt, though, I am very intrigued to

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Speaker 1: hear his insights because Inherited as a podcast where I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's quite deep, and I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: mean to be unfair about Matt, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: a show like that. It's sort of like when Tammy

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Speaker 1: Hembro was interviewed by Mea Friedman on No Filter. Again,

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Speaker 1: we're bringing up Mea. But yeah, you know when they

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Speaker 1: see a different side of Matt. I think this is

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Speaker 1: up more about his fertility. Well, yeah, it definitely sounds

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Speaker 1: like it's an opportunity for people to see another side

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Speaker 1: a laugh about the Matt and Tammy situation because it

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Speaker 1: does come across as a bit of a circus at times,

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Speaker 1: just because of the public nature of it. But the

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Speaker 1: intense interest in your relationship, particularly for two young people,

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Speaker 1: would be very tough to deal with, and I sometimes

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Speaker 1: feel like we underestimate the strain that it would put

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Speaker 4: And then I go into the office, see the girls

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Speaker 4: and start my day with back to back meetings.

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Speaker 1: Chloe Zepp has been accused of clickbaiting her audience after

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Speaker 1: unveiling a major life announcement on her Instagram. The og

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Speaker 1: influencers shared a photo of her pregnant with the caption

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Speaker 1: big Announcement. Now, many people presumed she was announcing her

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Speaker 1: third pregnancy, but Kate, that wasn't the case. No, Chloe

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Speaker 1: in fact was announcing that she's closing down her active

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Speaker 1: web brand ZEP. But you wouldn't have known that unless

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Speaker 1: you got down to the eighth line of the caption.

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Speaker 1: And let's be real, most people are scrolling on Instagram

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Speaker 1: and don't even read the captions, let alone a whole

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Speaker 1: slab of texts. It was clearly a way for her

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Speaker 1: to attract attention by following up that photo. Definitely so

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Speaker 1: Chloe started out by writing big announcement. Hello, It's been

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Speaker 1: a while since I have shared on here, but there's

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Speaker 1: some big changes happening in my life. I have been

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Speaker 1: contemplating in prayer for a good year now to gain

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Speaker 1: clarity and direction, and big decisions always scare me. But

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Speaker 1: with God, I know that he holds the whole picture

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Speaker 1: and I just have to work it out peace. By piece.

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Speaker 1: She then went on to say it is with sadness

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Speaker 1: and peace that I laid down ZEP for a little while.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't find this news particularly shocking. I

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Speaker 1: can't say that there's been much hype around this active

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Speaker 1: web brand. The last time I really heard about ze

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Speaker 1: was when Chloe Zepp was being canceled over her stance

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Speaker 1: on vaccinations. When people were burning her Yeah, literally on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: People were burning her active worth, throwing in the bin.

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Speaker 1: They were putting masking tape over Zepp to conceal the brand. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm surprised it lasted six years. It was

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Speaker 1: launched back in twenty nineteen. In saying that though there

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Speaker 1: were a lot of comments about how people were quite

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Speaker 1: devastated that the active wear line was being shut down

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Speaker 1: because people were raving about the quality of it, I

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Speaker 1: think it comes down to her been quite an irrelevant influencer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ever since all of the drama in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: we haven't heard much from her. And even back in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I was surprised she was such a big

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Speaker 1: deal because essentially she was known as Shiny Grimman's best friend.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that Mitch Orvil's presence also helped her.

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Speaker 1: People loved tuning in to see her and Mitch's dynamic,

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Speaker 1: and they had really cute kids as well. But it

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Speaker 1: just shows that if you're not going to continually engage

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Speaker 1: become completely irrelevant space of a couple of years and

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Speaker 1: your businesses will fail. I mean, back to these clickbait allegations.

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Speaker 1: One person wrote, clickbaiting your followers by making it seem

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Speaker 1: like you're pregnant not a good take, which got one

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty nine likes. Another said wait, guys, is

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Speaker 1: she pregnant? And someone else added, wait, wait, I'm confused.

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Speaker 1: Are you pregnant or is the photo referencing being a

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Speaker 1: mum to the boys already? If so, congratulations, and Chloe

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Speaker 1: ended up replying saying not pregnant, but all old ZEP

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Speaker 1: photo shoots. I'm sorry is if she doesn't have any

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Speaker 1: other images from past photo shoots to you, she knew

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Speaker 1: exactly what she was doing, I mean to be fair,

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Speaker 1: it was a photo dump, so there were a range

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Speaker 1: first photo on the carousel and it's been juxtapositioned with

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Speaker 1: the word big announcement. Yeah exactly. Chloe did try and

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Speaker 1: thought I was pregnant old pick from a ZEP photo

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Speaker 1: shoot when I had Sonny Bunny in my belly. I

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Speaker 1: think what also added to the confusion was her very

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Speaker 1: while she didn't know what was next, she had peace

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Speaker 1: knowing that motherhood is in her heart and she was

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Speaker 1: having a third baby. One other thing that stood out

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Speaker 1: to me about this announcement was how much Chloe reference God.

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Speaker 1: So she and her fiance Mitchell Orvill recently found God,

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Speaker 1: and she finished up her announcement saying, I look forward

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Speaker 1: to navigate with God. Do we think that possibly she's

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Speaker 1: continuing either paid or unpaid work within the church, because

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Speaker 1: I'm getting ultra confused how these people continue to make

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Speaker 1: doing many brand deals. It's not like Instagram is generating

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Speaker 1: take it to the next level. Yeah, she had six

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Speaker 1: employees based on the Gold Coast. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of questions and speculation growing about what is going on

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Speaker 1: with the zepp Vials, and there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: rumors about a potential split between Mitch's parents, Mark and

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Speaker 1: Sharon Orville. People are questioning is the family undergoing financial hardship.

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Speaker 1: Chloe's mum actually added fuel to the fire by commenting,

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Speaker 1: Oh Chloe, with a crying face, so proud of my

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Speaker 1: baby girl. You are a wonderful mother and it's commendable

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Speaker 1: that you are choosing to spend this precious time with

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Speaker 1: your beautiful boys. Unfortunately, over the years, several people have

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Speaker 1: taken advantage of your kindness and generosity. But I'm excited

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Speaker 1: for your bright future with your fiance and children. Love

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Speaker 1: you so so so much. Ow So she's dropping the

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Speaker 1: with her kids. Hmm, she is. Do we think that

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Speaker 1: there's investors involved who have screwed her over? Or is

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Speaker 1: she pointing to family members? It's very up in the

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Speaker 1: air who she's actually referencing. Yeah, it's very vague. I

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Speaker 1: wonder if Chloe was like, oh, for fuck sake, mom,

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Speaker 1: don't write that, or potentially she wanted her mum to

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Speaker 1: put a kiddy little box in the shared bedroom of

434
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 1: the housemates, and they thought it would be hilarious to

435
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: piss in it together, so Chris went first, and then

436
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 1: Jojo also squatted and pissed in the litter box. Wow.

437
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean this is reminding me of a big school camp.

438
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 1: Like people are saying, oh, how do they get close

439
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 1: so quickly? It's kind of those situations where you've got

440
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 1: no one else in there and it's all fun and

441
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: games and you suddenly start getting feelings for each other

442
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: that seems to have been what's happened to you? Yeah,

443
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: it is the classic school camp scenario, particularly when you've

444
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: got all these in jokes. I've noticed that in a

445
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: lot of interviews they've done since coming out of the house,

446
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 1: and you know, JoJo's been so keen to watch all

447
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: of the clips back and she just seems to be

448
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: so engulfed in the experience, and you know, it's so

449
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: situations where you haven't been on the camp and you're like,

450
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: stop going on about it.

451
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

452
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 6: Well.

453
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 1: A huge moment for Jojo on the show was when

454
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: she told fellow housemate Danny that her time in the

455
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: housemates had come to a realization about her sexuality. So

456
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 1: she said, I've always told myself I'm a lesbian, and

457
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: I think being here, I've realized, oh, I'm not a lesbian,

458
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 1: I'm queer, and I think that's really cool. I'm switching letters.

459
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: I've dropped the L and I'm going to the que baby.

460
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 1: That's what I love about sexuality. It has been pretty

461
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: remarkable to watch her navigate her sexuality on such a

462
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: public stage and for her to show young people watching

463
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: at home that sexuality can be fluid, because I think

464
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: there's a tendency for people to want to label others

465
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: straight away and to put you in a box when

466
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: in reality, I think Jojo is really showing that there's

467
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: this discovery process when it comes to your sexuality, and

468
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: it can take a long time. I mean, she is

469
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 1: twenty one as well and been in the public eye

470
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 1: for so many years, and she probably felt like she

471
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: needed to come out and put a label on it

472
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: very quickly. And I think what people have been loving

473
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: about Jojo in The Big Brother House is she's not

474
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: what she appears to be on social media. People have

475
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: really loved this stripped back version of her where she's

476
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: being very raw. Yeah, and I think that she's really

477
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: liked the fact that she's had her phone taken away

478
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: from her there's no outside distractions, and she said that

479
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: she's really had to sit in her own thoughts and

480
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: reflect on her life and get to know herself on

481
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,239
Speaker 1: a deeper level. And I think this admission about her

482
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: sexuality is a particularly bold one to make when your

483
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: partner is watching on at home, because reading between the lines,

484
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: Jojo made this realization about her sexuality due to her

485
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: very close friendship with Chris in the house and if

486
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: you were Kath, you would be questioning everything.

487
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: Oh.

488
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: I feel so sorry for Kath in this situation. And

489
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: as Jojo and Chris's on screen connection started to blossom,

490
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: Kath became noticeably absent from their social media channel, And

491
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: I feel like this was a way for Kath to

492
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: protect themselves. This story was blowing up all over TikTok.

493
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: It would be so hard to watch. I mean I

494
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: found it hard to watch, yeah, particularly because everyone had

495
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: a take on their relationship, and Kath also was beginning

496
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: to experience some very relentless trolling, which just seems so unfair.

497
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: And during the final week, the housemates received letters from

498
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: home and Jojo was left unsettled by what she described

499
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: as Kath's cold message. So the letter in question was

500
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: actually written by JoJo's mum, and in it she wrote,

501
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: the most important thing to tell you is a message

502
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: from Kath, because I know you really miss them the most.

503
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: Kath's keen to see you when you get out. Now,

504
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: of course he's being Reality TV. It was Chris who

505
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: read the letter out to Jojo. That was a nice

506
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: little touch, wasn't it. Now. Jojo did seem very unsettled

507
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: by this letter, and she told her fellow housemate Jack. Shephard,

508
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm finding myself really analyzing that note, and I don't

509
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: like it. She then went to the diary room to

510
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: share her thoughts on the letter. Here's what she said.

511
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 6: God, I love that little sucker.

512
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 7: I do.

513
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 6: I do have beef to peck with them. Though they

514
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 6: didn't even say in the note that they love me.

515
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 6: I will not let them love that down. I will say,

516
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 6: where was my high sweetheart? Where was my I love you?

517
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 6: Where was my I miss you?

518
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 5: Like happy?

519
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 7: You're keen to see me when I get out of here,

520
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 7: keen to see you as well. But come on, bahbah,

521
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 7: give me a little zom zomb.

522
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: I really don't know what Jojo expected from Kath in

523
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: the letter. I mean, for Jojo, who's pretty much a

524
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: reality TV veteran, she knows exactly how the mechanics of

525
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: this show works. She would be very aware of how

526
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: her relationship with Chris is being portrayed on the show

527
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: and also across social media, so she would know the

528
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: scrutiny that Kath would be receiving on the outside world.

529
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but she made Kath like an absolute mug.

530
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: Did she really expect Kath would then declare their love

531
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: in a gushy letter to her? Yeah, I was pretty

532
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: surprised by JoJo's reaction. Now following the letter, Jojo then

533
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: went on and spoke to Chris and said she needed

534
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: to wait forty eight hours before telling him something pressing

535
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: that was on her mind. Now, to put this into context,

536
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: the finale was in less than forty eight hours, so

537
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: it was clear that Jojo wanted to tell him something

538
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: away from the cameras. This, of course, led viewers to

539
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: speculate that perhaps she was going to tell Chris that

540
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: she wanted to end her relationship with Kath and be

541
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: with him now. Despite all of the online theories about

542
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: Jojo and Chris's relationship and the very intense media scrutiny

543
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: around it. Kath made the decision to jump on a

544
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: twenty four hour flight to be by JoJo's side at

545
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: the finale. I don't blame her though, if that was

546
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: my partner on TV, even if I was pissed with them,

547
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm not staying back home in Australia to wait for

548
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: her and Chris to get out of the house and

549
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: have all this alone time without me being there to

550
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: be like, what is going on? Yeah, you definitely want answers.

551
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: And I think it was quite clear that Kath wanted

552
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: to believe that a lot of the drama on the

553
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: show was fabricated and it was just a fake reality show.

554
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: And Kath found out very quickly what we saw on

555
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: the show was very much real, and they were dumped

556
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: by Jojo at the Big Brother Rap party, and Jojo

557
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: moved very fast. She dumped Kath one hour after seeing

558
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: them for the first time in three weeks. Let me

559
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: point out, and I have to add in I want

560
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: to call it a bit of a fun fact here,

561
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: because Kath has since shared with the team from the

562
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: Big Small Talk podcast that Jojo actually broke up with

563
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: them when she was wearing a full feight of glitter

564
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: and chains in her hair. This was a look that

565
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: she wore to the Big Brother after party, which is

566
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: all over TikTok at the moment, I kept saying, everyone

567
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: saying as soon as Chris saw her like that, he

568
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: was really put off. Well, Kath said, it was very

569
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: hard to take her seriously in that moment. Now pretty sensationally.

570
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: Kath shared the news of the breakup in a thirteen

571
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: minute TikTok video which has since been archived. Here's some

572
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: of what they said. It has calmed my attention.

573
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: In the past eight hours that everything we sort of

574
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: saw unfold on what I thought was a fake reality

575
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: show where I didn't need to worry about the validity

576
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 3: of my relationship, was in fact laced in a lot

577
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: of truth, which has been so probably one of the

578
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: most craziest, intense, awful, horrific experiences I've ever probably gone

579
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 3: through in my adult life. But the truth of the

580
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 3: matter is I decided to show up for my partner

581
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: and hold up my end of the bargain of being

582
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: in a partnership and being a teammate and I flew

583
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 3: across the world to support and be there and hold

584
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: that person in whatever they would be experiencing leaving such

585
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: a wild experience, and instead I was dumped at the

586
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: after party with Chris in the next room, which is

587
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: fucking crazy to say out loud, It's truly crazy, Like

588
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: there's a lot of processing that needs to happen. I

589
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: was told that there are confused feelings there. Do with

590
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 3: that what you will, and that they had realized in

591
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: the house that I wasn't the person that they wanted

592
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: to spend the foreseeable future with, which has honestly been,

593
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: as you can probably tell by my demeanor, so shocking

594
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: that I feel kind of subhuman right now. Yeah, and

595
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: I feel incredibly humiliated, and I feel a bit embarrassed.

596
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: I feel like the Internet might have warned me a

597
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: little bit, and I.

598
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: I guess didn't listen. You would be absolutely fuming, and

599
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: you could really tell from Cast's response that they were

600
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: in ut of shock. I did find it quite fascinating

601
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: to hear from someone who works in the television industry

602
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: that they were convinced that it was all just manufactured drama.

603
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: And I think it's clear that that's because Kath wanted

604
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: to believe this and they were convinced that their partner

605
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't treat them in this way, because Kath made it

606
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: pretty clear that they fell victim to some pretty intense

607
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: love bombing early on in their relationship with Jojo. Kath

608
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: explained that Jojo told them that they were the love

609
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: of her life and even asked them to marry her

610
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: before heading into their house. How utterly confusing would all

611
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: of this be. To put that all into perspective, Kath

612
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: and Jojo were only together for four months, so a

613
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: marriage proposal is pretty intense. It was pretty fascinating to

614
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: hear Kath drop bits and pieces about Chris because whilst

615
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: Jojo was breaking up with Kath, they claimed Jojo said

616
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: she had confused feelings in regards to Chris, so he

617
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: was used as an excuse for the breakup. Kath went

618
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: on to say that Jojo told them she wanted to

619
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: explore independence and certain feelings. As for how Kath felt

620
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: about Chris, they said they had opinions on him which

621
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: they won't go into, and said Jojo and Chris's relationship

622
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: is their journey and to essentially enjoy God. That was

623
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: very reserved of them wasn't if it was me, I

624
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: would have gone hamm. I don't think I would have

625
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: been so kind. Kath also revealed that despite their efforts

626
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: to fly halfway across the world, they were met with

627
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: a lot of anger from Jojo. Kat says Jojo had

628
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: a lot of anger around the letter and about Kath

629
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: not wanting to appear on TV. It seems like Jojo

630
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: has used this letter as a bit of a scapegoat

631
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: to go, oh, it's actually you, the fucked up Kath,

632
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: not me. It was really fascinating to hear what was

633
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: actually going on behind the scenes with Kath, because as

634
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: we touched on, they went offline during the last two

635
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: weeks of the show, and they admitted it was a

636
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: very upsetting time for them and they felt betrayed by

637
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: what they saw on TV. And Kath said they went

638
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: offline because they couldn't get clarity or talk to Jojo,

639
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: so they didn't want to jump online and speculate before

640
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: they had all the fat, which I think was very

641
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: fair of them. It was pretty evident how humiliated and

642
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: broken they were by the whole ordeal and the immense

643
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: impact that trolling has had on them, and also the

644
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: media scrutiny. It's interesting to think back to the Tally

645
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: Smile situation because her ex girlfriend never really had a

646
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: right of reply. We didn't have I think we had

647
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: only just started to have Instagram, but there were no

648
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: stories or anything. Yeah, people weren't putting out public statements

649
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: on their Instagram. So it is really interesting. How you know,

650
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: we've seen JoJo's side of it, We've heard from Chris Hughes,

651
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Speaker 1: and now we're hearing from Cath and I think it's

652
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Speaker 1: only fair that they got to share their point of

653
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: view too.

654
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

655
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Speaker 1: And there has been an absolutely massive reaction online to

656
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: this developing story and obviously the breakup. There seems to

657
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: be a couple of camps. There was one camp of

658
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: people when the show was airing who felt like the

659
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: speculation around JoJo's friendship with Chris was homophobic. Yeah, there

660
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: was a lot of people jumping on saying, no, this

661
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: is just how queer people interact with platonic friends. It's

662
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: totally normal. They're very touched fear. And then following the breakup,

663
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: there was another camp of people who were utterly heartbroken

664
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: and angry on Cat's behalf and they were adamant that

665
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: they had been cheated on and JoJo's behavior was out

666
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: of line. I think there are a lot of Australians particular,

667
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: who felt like we needed to jump in and protect

668
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: Kath at all costs. Yeah, particularly because we hadn't seen

669
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: the show, so it's easy to look at it in

670
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: a black and white sense and be like, hang on,

671
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: this woman has cheated on her partner. Then, of course

672
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: there's the other camp who said that Kath needed to

673
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Speaker 1: get over it and that they shouldn't be hurt because

674
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: it's just a four month relationship. And then there's a

675
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: people who were obviously shipping the relationship from Big Brother.

676
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: There's also been a lot of people condemning Kath for

677
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: making a public breakup announcement on TikTok, and I want

678
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: to jump in and defend that one because Kath is

679
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: not the one who made this situation public. Jojo did.

680
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean Kath had to sit back for three weeks

681
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: essentially watching their partner cross so many lines on international TV,

682
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: so many times humiliating, and Kath was really respectful. They

683
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: remained silent until they could actually speak to their partner. Yeah, exactly,

684
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Speaker 1: And I found it really interesting to hear Abby Chatfield's

685
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Speaker 1: take on the situation. As we touched on, she is

686
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Speaker 1: friends with Kath, and she explained that she has actually

687
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: met Jojo a handful of times and she thought that

688
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: she was lovely and mature, but then said this situation

689
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: has proved otherwise. Abby went on to call Jojo a

690
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: professional rage beta and said she would have been aware

691
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Speaker 1: of the ramifications this fallout would have on Kath.

692
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Speaker 9: She is a career reality TV stuff, right, She's incredibly

693
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Speaker 9: good at it, she's incredibly smart, she's very hard working,

694
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Speaker 9: very successful. But she is a rage beta, right.

695
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Speaker 4: We're all aware of that.

696
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 9: We all know that she knows that any publicity is

697
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 9: good publicity. It's gotten her career, it's elevated her career.

698
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 9: She's very talented in many ways. I don't want to

699
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 9: talk shit about her, but.

700
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Speaker 1: It's elevated her career. It's really blown up her career,

701
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: particularly on TikTok.

702
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 9: And that's great that she's kind of cracked that formula.

703
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 9: But my issue is in knowing that and being intentional

704
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 9: with that. In JoJo's everyday life and career.

705
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 4: She's aware of how media cycles work, and she's completely

706
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 4: aware of what stories media runs with. She's aware of

707
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: how the public react to things and how to get

708
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 4: the public enraged, I think, and I would hope it

709
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 4: wasn't the case. I think my issue is more that

710
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Speaker 4: she wasn't aware or cognizant of the potential ramifications for

711
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 4: Kath in this whole thing.

712
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Speaker 9: Cath has been collateral damage.

713
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Speaker 1: I think Abby hit the nail on the head there

714
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: by calling Jojo a professional rage baita. She is incredibly

715
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: savvy online and in her dealings with the media, and

716
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: she's been expl strategy and manipulation from an early age,

717
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: so she would be very aware of how this relationship

718
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: would have played out, not only in the media but online.

719
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: And she would have known that Cath would have been

720
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: sitting at home watching on feeling completely helpless, and to

721
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: make matters worse, she would have been aware that there

722
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: would have been trolling involved. Now, following her departure from

723
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: the show, Jojo appeared on ITV's Morning Show alongside Chris Hughes. Yeah,

724
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: that was very interesting. The Big Brother producers clearly know

725
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Everyone wanted to see their dynamic together

726
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: outside of the house. Yeah, and of course Kath's very

727
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: public breakup announcement had gone live, so Jojo took the

728
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to say that she hadn't been happy in the

729
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: relationship for quite some time. Here's more of what she said.

730
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Speaker 7: Honestly, D three, I was now in my own thoughts,

731
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 7: away from everyone that I know, away from outside opinions,

732
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 7: away from everything, and I sat with myself, and from

733
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 7: that point on, I really realized things that I was

734
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 7: okay with my life that I should never have been

735
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 7: okay with in the you mean, your relationship, and just

736
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 7: so many things.

737
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: That is one of them, but so many things.

738
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Speaker 7: And then I, you know, obviously I wanted to hold

739
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 7: them inside though, because I didn't want to air that

740
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 7: out very publicly. But there were countless things that I

741
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 7: was like, that's not, you know, something that I should

742
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 7: be okay with and I don't need to be okay

743
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 7: with and I'm not happy, And I knew as soon

744
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 7: as I got out, I wanted to fix things in

745
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 7: my life and make the changes that I needed to make.

746
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a bit rich to come out

747
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 1: and say, oh, I just haven't been happy for so long.

748
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: It's a full month relationship where you have apparently proposed

749
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: to the person right before going into the house. You're

750
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: in the honeymoon period. Like, what is going on now?

751
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: The morning show host Ben Shephard remarked that Jojo in

752
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: fact did act very quickly, pointing out that she broke

753
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: up with Kath at the Rap party. Jojo confirmed that

754
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: she did break up with Kath at the Rat party,

755
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: but that she didn't plan on doing it then and

756
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: so Jojo claimed that Kath initially said that they didn't

757
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: want to attend, but then an hour in decided to

758
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: come along, Jojo said. At the party, Kat asked if

759
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: Jojo was happy, and she said no, and one thing

760
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: led to another. The host then asked, whatever, I want

761
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: to know what is going on between Jojo and Chris.

762
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: Here's what Chris said. They're clearly a very quite bond.

763
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Speaker 2: Obviously we're closely, but I think it's like our friendship

764
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: is like it's just a it's hard to expect, it's

765
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: just a really strong bond between two people, which is

766
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: just a strong friendship.

767
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 8: And I think I think you can have like a

768
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 8: soulmate friendship. I think that's a thing. Yes, And to me,

769
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 8: it's like that energy of where it's not like the

770
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 8: standard friendship that you have with your friends. But it's

771
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 8: you know, it's still a friendship. You know, we are

772
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 8: friends and just it's just nice. And that's why I

773
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 8: found the whole I found it strange because it was

774
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 8: such a strong friendship.

775
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: Literally, take a shot. Every time Chris said friend, well,

776
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: you'd be very drunk. It seemed like he wanted to

777
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: make it very clear from his end that nothing else

778
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: was going on between them. I mean, you've only just

779
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: got her to break up with her partner, and now

780
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: you're saying, oh no, we're just friends. Like what a

781
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: slap in the face. Well, in the comment section, there

782
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: were many people who felt as though maybe Chris had

783
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: blindsided Jojo and maybe she thought if she dumped Cath

784
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: it would then lead to a relationship with him. Ben

785
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: the host then asked Jojo if she would like more

786
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: with Chris in the future, and here's what she said.

787
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 8: And he's a gorgeous boy.

788
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 7: Gorgeous boy, You're a gorgeous girl. Look, he's a great guy.

789
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 7: It is platonic. We have a lot of fun together.

790
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 7: Life is life, and I don't know any future of anything,

791
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 7: but I'm really grateful for our dynamic that we have

792
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 7: in our bond that we have and whatever life does,

793
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 7: life will do.

794
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: What I read into this is that Jojo very much

795
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: wants something with Chris, and she is planning on exploring

796
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: this relationship. I think that Chris probably is as well.

797
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: He was probably just trying to play it down to

798
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: try and not appear to be the bad guy in

799
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: the situation, because, to be real, Jojo was the one

800
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: that was in a relationship, not him. Well, he's probably

801
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: also mindful that it's sometimes not a good look on,

802
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: not a good decision to jump into a relationship straight

803
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: away after another one's ended. I mean, they also live

804
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: in different countries, so maybe I mean, being thirty two,

805
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: maybe he's a bit more mature and wants to see

806
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: how this would all work. I find the way that

807
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: they keep calling one another friendship soulmates quite odd. It's

808
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: a bit of wyank, isn't it. Let's be honest, what's

809
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: going on. There's a lot of sexual tension there that

810
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: needs to be resolved, and I don't know if that'll

811
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: be friendship soulmates after that's happened. Yeah, I wonder how

812
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: long this connection will actually go on for Jojo has

813
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: been posting about Chris to her eleven point two million

814
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: followers on Instagram. She showed the pair having a tennis

815
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: match together. I believe that they spoke about playing tennis

816
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: withinside the house. To be very interesting to see how

817
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: this relationship evolves. Well, if Chris is clever from a

818
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: PR strategy, we want to explore this further and gain

819
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: some of those followers. Now, let's get into our Friday debrief.

820
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: And so if I want to talk to you about

821
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: Meghan Markle's first ever podcast interview on the Jamie Kern

822
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: Lemur Show. So of course she has had two podcasts

823
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: now of her own, but it's actually the first time

824
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: that she's been interviewed in a long form on a podcast.

825
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: And I was pretty surprised that she chose the Jamie

826
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: Kern Lima show. I have never heard of this woman,

827
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: but she is the founder of IT Cosmetics. She's also

828
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: been on Meghan's Female Founder podcast and the pair live

829
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: next door to each other, so they're great friends. And

830
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: they made such a big deal about the fact that

831
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: they were sitting in the rocking chairs that they usually

832
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: sit on at their house and to have these deep

833
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: conversations and they both went wearing makeup. I call absolute bullshit.

834
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: Jamie was wearing makeup. You can see she visibly had blush.

835
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: On Meghan, on the other hand, I think was bare face.

836
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: People were commenting that she had quite an intense facetan

837
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: or nobody. To be fair, that's what I'd be doing

838
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: if I was told I couldn't have any makeup on. Yeah,

839
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: it was quite clear there was some products being used

840
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: to achieve that no makeup makeup. Look, I'm confused by

841
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: the philosophy beyond it, though, because if you own a

842
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: makeup brand, would you not want to be promoting the

843
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: makeup that you wear on a big stage like this.

844
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: But it was all about being braw and honest. So

845
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: if you actually haven't listened to it in full, you've

846
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: only heard, Oh, I keep seeing a pomp up on

847
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: my ticktok algorithm. And it's one of those things where

848
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: it's no surprise to the listeners that I'm a big

849
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: fan of Meghan Markle, but I am cringing hard at

850
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: some of the moments that are being shit. See. I

851
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: think that her first podcast interview should have been with

852
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: Alex Cooper on Call Her Daddy. That would have given

853
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: her some credit. This podcast was so hard to get

854
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: into because there was eight minutes of hype and it

855
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: was so American, it was so spewy. I was like,

856
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: just talk to Megan. I can't stand it. And it

857
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, who is this woman. She's

858
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: actually interviewed Oprah before, She's got five hundred thousand followers,

859
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: but it was so cringe and I'm like, no, Megan,

860
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: this is not where you need to go. You need

861
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: to be on a good podcast where you have a

862
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: good chat, because deep down, I think she's a very

863
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: nice person. But unfortunately, because of all the press backlash,

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Speaker 1: she goes on these podcasts and she has to really

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Speaker 1: push and pump herself up. And she's got her friend

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Speaker 1: pumping herself up, pump her up. But I think that

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Speaker 1: she's got to pump up her relationship with Harry because

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of speculation that their marriage is

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Speaker 1: on the rocks. Well, she did call him a fox

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Speaker 1: on the episode. She said he was a fox, and

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Speaker 1: I want to throw it to the way she spoke

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Speaker 1: about their relationship because she said that they're actually in

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Speaker 1: the honeymoon phase now because before they were going through

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Speaker 1: all of this crap with the royal family and they

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Speaker 1: had to hide their relationship. But this is how she

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Speaker 1: explained what Harry does for her.

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Speaker 10: You know, I mean each that man loves me so much,

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Speaker 10: and you know, look what we've built. We've built a

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Speaker 10: beautiful lafe and we have two healthy, beautiful children, you know.

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Speaker 10: And I always think about it like the end of

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Speaker 10: Super Mario Brothers, when you get to the final final level,

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Speaker 10: what's the goal? And super Mario They're like, slay the dragon,

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Speaker 10: save the Princess. I'm like, that's my husband. He's just

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Speaker 10: out there, just constantly. He's just going to do whatever

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Speaker 10: he can to make sure that our family is safe

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Speaker 10: and protected and we're uplifted and still make time for depntes.

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Speaker 1: Why Meghan, Why please? I'm to have admitted this scene

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Speaker 1: from the Budker. There was also this really random story

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Speaker 1: Meghan told about meeting Baywatch star Yasmine Bleath, and all

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Speaker 1: I could think about was Chandler and Joey going on

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Speaker 1: about her on friends. So when Meghan was working in

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Speaker 1: a yogurt shop, she was taking some trash bags out

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Speaker 1: to the street and she saw Yazmine and she went

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Speaker 1: up to her and was like, oh my gosh, I

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Speaker 1: love you in this commercial and Yazmin said to her, Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm Yasmin. What's your name? And she said that now

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Speaker 1: she always says that to fans when she meets him,

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Speaker 1: because she said she he felt so seen in that moment. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I quite like that story. I think that's quite a

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Speaker 1: good tactic, and it's just it's funny that it's come

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Speaker 1: from a former bag Watch actor, particularly because you know

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Speaker 1: she probably used that skill when she was a royal

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Speaker 1: out meeting the public. Yeah, it is a good tip.

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Speaker 1: I also enjoyed hearing the backstory of why Megan calls

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Speaker 1: Harry h and he calls her m And it was

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Speaker 1: all to do with the fact that they had to

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Speaker 1: talk in codes while they were dating. And it's just stuck.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, it does come across as a little

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Speaker 1: bit insufferable, but then I think about how I always

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Speaker 1: call my husband darling and it started off as a

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Speaker 1: joke and it's just stuck. It does make more sense

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Speaker 1: now hearing that they had to speak in code. But

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Speaker 1: I think age in particular isn't a letter that rolls

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Speaker 1: off the tongue easily. I mean, I'm glad that they

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Speaker 1: say h instead of h oh. That is my absolute

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Speaker 1: pet peeve. My husband says h and his last name

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Speaker 1: is Hancock, so he's always spelling it out for people

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Speaker 1: when he goes to the shops for his email, and

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Speaker 1: it just grates on me and I feel like interrupting

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Speaker 1: and being like, it's h yeah. Recent I had a

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Speaker 1: disagreement of it, and we actually ended up researching the

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Speaker 1: origins of it, and the correct way is h oh.

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Speaker 1: I've seen mixed stuff. I think it can actually be both. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not, go look into it all right. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think that is where we will leave things for today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode.

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Speaker 1: If you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure

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Speaker 1: you are subscribed on Apple podcast and also Spotify. This

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Speaker 1: episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana

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Speaker 1: people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to Elder's

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Speaker 1: past and present.