WEBVTT - Do You Have To Give Back The Engagement Ring? 💍 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.840 The Flex and Rooms Daily Podcast. 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:10.480 It is not often Miss Throumy comes to our show 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.240 with a strong ceiling shed a lot, but I feel 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:15.120 like the feelings are feeling. 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:16.200 Yeah, but I. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.960 Feel like you do a good job, like muting how 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.480 strong the ceilings are. Every now and then you'll pop 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:23.960 up and be like, nah, this one is hidden the spot. 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.720 But I wasn't prepared so. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.400 For me to come through and say that she finds 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.600 the Jeffrey Dharma fanfare disgusting, not because she's not right, 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.159 because you know, I don't know what happens when I 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.360 don't see through me when she's not in front of 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.240 me or on my phone. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.640 She's a mystery. I like having bards and stuff like that. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:48.000 Honestly, I'm just gonna say I feel a bit ineloquent 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:48.520 this week. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:49.680 Why is that? 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:56.080 I just, you know, ineloquent, it is a word. It's 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:57.560 a really a great word. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:00:59.840 I'm just, you know, the brain's not really firing us. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.200 I'm still in I Beetha mode. But I will say 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.880 we're talking about Jeffrey Dharmer. I don't say anything like 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.120 really hectic because it makes me sick. So basically, this 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.120 podcast is for anyone that tried to watch that series 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.479 and will stick to their stomach. For example, my sister 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.720 and I both love all of this spooky shit, even 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:18.840 she Yeah. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.520 But I think that's why we've got to find a differentiation, 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.560 because I'm all about spooky stuff, right, but I don't 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:28.080 watch like I'm not into horror anymore or like paranormal 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.240 activity stuff. I'm like a real life speaky person, Like 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.440 I appreciate it when it's here, but like I'm not 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.240 gonna go to the ghost. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.240 Tour that stuff. 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:38.400 See that's where we differ. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.720 Okay, So what we're gonna do for a few podcast 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.920 times put this in the diary. I want to tell 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:44.480 you all my scary story. 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:46.200 Okay. In fact, maybe I should tell you on to 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:47.960 my's podcasts. No say it? 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.760 Oh okay, anyway, once you hear the story, you believe 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:52.360 in ghosts. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:54.280 I already do. Let's get to. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.120 It, Okay, Flick and frooms. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.800 Picture this Smiths Frumini. You've fallen in love, well uh oh. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:07.200 Triggered falling in love, and you get engaged and you 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:10.280 are on cloud nine amazing. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.880 Your partner does some spooky stuff and you're like, okay, 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:14.040 I'm done with this. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.320 I cannot. I cannot go through with this. 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:21.120 Whatever he's done is just so beyond embarrassing, disrespectful, dangerous, 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.080 unsafe that your only only only decision is to call 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.520 the engagement. You can't marry him, it would never happen 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.399 that way. But now here's the thing. You've got the ring. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.960 It's worth twenty three thousand dollars. Fair enough, Sarah, that's 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:40.240 the minimum. Literally rates start at twenty three k for 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.320 this ring. So yeah, naturally, like we've got to, you know, 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.000 call the engagement. You take the ring, you put it 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.799 on Facebook marketplace, you know, at market value twenty three k. 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.920 What ends up happening is that you go viral on Facebook. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.040 You start a heated debate with people thinking that you 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:00.560 are beyond insensitive for selling a gift which should have 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.360 been returned to the person who gave it to you. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.960 Do you agree or do you disagree? It's kind of iconic, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.240 literally cyclist salary that someone gave you. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.560 You know, what was the most iconic execution of an 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.919 engagement ring that I've ever heard of? Lara Bingle and 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.520 the what's the sports guy whatever the cricket's name was 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.240 when she flushed her engagement ring down the toilet. 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.560 WHOA, Yeah in Bondai of all places. WHOA. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.240 Personally, if it was me, I'd be too scared to 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:35.360 do that on Facebook is crazy. I once worked for 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:40.040 someone who bought their girlfriend a Cartier ring. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.000 Well, wasn't an engagement ring, was it? 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.840 It was an engagement ring? Oh and they broke up. 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.280 So then he took it back and tried to sell 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:48.800 it on high end on Facebook. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.760 Not on high end, you girlies, no what I'm talking about. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.440 That got a lot of traffic. I'm thinking about it, right. 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.080 We really have to exercise a lot of you know, 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:02.080 creative sensibilities to be like, we're engaged. But if I 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.240 was engaged, I got the ring, the engagements called off. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.600 I'm giving it back. I don't feel like I should 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.280 have to, but I like to prove points. So I'm like, 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.960 you know, just so you know that I'm really really decisive, take. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.479 It back, get it out of my face. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.320 That hurts in a different life, though, I'm with this 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:21.080 woman selling it. 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:22.960 It was my gift. Let me do what I want 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:24.240 with it. I'm a pretty princess. 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.479 Facebook marketplace though, that was never going to be That 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.120 was never going to be the place to make a sale. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.279 That's I wanted him to see. She's like, look at me. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.040 There's certain things you should not be allowed to sell 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.480 on Facebook marketplace, like what namely a bag of frozen 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.680 chicken nuggets that it apparently from me Donalds always comes out? 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.800 What do you mean? Always comes up? Like random people? 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.200 You're a primary demographic for that nonsense? Yes or no? 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.159 Do you give the engagement ring back or is it 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:51.640 yours to keep the person? 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.479 I'd love to be if I was a dramatic person, 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.320 sell it, But I'm going to be giving it back. 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:56.559 We're so lame. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.320 We need a pattern up flex and frooms. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.280 Thankfully three me has a bone to pick. I love 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:03.359 when this happens a. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.640 Little too literal of a phrase for what I'm about 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:09.800 to talk about. Yeah, it might be Jeffrey Darmer, a 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.680 man called Jay Jeffrey Darmer. It is a show on Netflix. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.440 Is it called just Darma? 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.200 Not across it anyway? It is? 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:18.320 It is? 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.440 It is? Have you watched it? I haven't. Do you 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:21.680 know who Jeffrey Darma is? 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.920 So Jeffrey Darmer is a serial killer from America. This 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.320 is a show that's gained so much traction on Netflix. 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.960 I made the mistake of clicking on Jeffrey Dahmer. I 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.720 thought everyone's talking about this show, and there's a lot 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.440 of discussion about whether or not it was good because 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:42.240 it proved like nature verse nurture, or how leaving someone 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.240 to fester and feel isolated can make them end up 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.920 becoming a serial killer, or if it's just outright disrespectful 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.120 to the victims. So often with these movies and TV shows, 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:57.200 it's traumatic to witness these murders. I watched the first 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.480 episode and I thought it was really interesting because I 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.479 like the main actor. He's getting a lot of praise 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:06.040 for his performance. But I got into the second episode 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:10.720 oh about midway through, and in the first episode it's 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.120 all about him getting caught. So basically, this guy was 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.560 a serial killer in the eighties and nineties. He would 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.600 lure men queen men back to his house and meet 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.880 them in like gay bars, for example, and do really 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.400 unsavory things to them. Obviously he's a murderer. I'm not 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.120 going to get into the specifics because it's awful. But 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.880 in the first episode of this show, which is a drama, 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.080 it shows him getting caught, so he lose a man back, 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.000 but doesn't get to kill him because the guy like 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.000 fights back and finds his way out amazing. So I 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.320 was happy to watch that because I like watching someone 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.839 like fine justice. But then I kept watching and I 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.279 got to the second episode and it was just so 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.840 visceral and just upsetting. And I'm a big I love 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.680 watching paranormal things. I don't mind horror movies like I 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:00.359 can handle it, but it just I can't do true crime. 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.960 Yeah, I'm with you. I like you. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.840 When I was in high school, especially, I was big, 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.400 I was just so fascinated by serial killers. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:09.440 I was like, what is this? 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:14.240 Used to watch all these horror movies and stuff, And 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.960 then one time I turned eighteen and went to a 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.840 easter show like Spooky House of Horrors things, and the 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.280 actors were just way too good and it was freaking 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.640 me out and they were relentless. And then from that 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.080 I was like, I'm but a regular girl. They could 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.200 have really taken me out. I'm not playing with this anymore. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:32.920 And then you kind of just developed like an understanding 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.520 of the world and you're like, whoa, this is super 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:41.120 cooked stuff that we are like very easily normalizing, you 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.440 know what I'm saying, Like and like it's so bizarre because, 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.760 especially now in twenty twenty two on the Internet, people 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:50.240 are extremely oversensitive about everything, right, but then true crime 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:51.000 comes out and we're like. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:55.040 This is so fascinating. He's so hot. I want to 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:56.040 get taken by him. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.880 Like you guys are you've lost it? You do realize, right, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.160 like all of it's deplorable, And you might say, oh, 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.960 maybe people are watching it so they can be better 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.680 prepared for this scenario. And like safety first, and all 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.280 these amazing stories, you tell yourself you're all cooked. 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.240 And I find that so condescending to the people that 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.440 became victims, Like you can't you can't outthink someone who's crazy. 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.040 And the answer isn't to be more safe for vigilant. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.360 Vigilance doesn't really do much. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.560 Yeah, I mean, okay, Well, first of all, you know, 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.280 we can say on record we didn't watch Dharma. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:29.880 I watched one and a half episode. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:31.920 Yet I didn't watch Darma. You know, I did not 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:35.280 put a check in Dama's pocket for me. Did in 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.360 fact watch an episode, and I half enjoyed a bit 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:37.600 of it. 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:38.920 Big Darma, Big. 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.120 But I want to talk more specifically about true crime 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.400 and how statistically that is a genre that is overwhelmingly 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:53.280 supported by women. Women are the backbone of the true 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:57.000 crime genre, podcast, TV shows, documentaries. I talked about like, 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:58.520 when I was in high school, I was really into 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.840 true crime so much so, do you know it wasn't 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.160 in true crime when I was in high school. It's 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.319 really into personality tests, like we know, that's where it 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:06.720 all started. 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.520 I was sixteen. I was like, this is so fascinating. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.520 And when you try and google personality tests, I would 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.360 try to find out the archetypes of the people. And 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.679 TV shows I watched write like what is the personality 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.920 type of Dean from Supernatural? They don't have that information, 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.160 but what they did have is public figures and usually terrify, 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:30.160 like terrifying public figures Hitler. You know, I don't know, 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.880 I'm a malat or something. So then my interest in 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:39.080 personality types coincided with my interest in serial killers, because 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.000 that's where you got the bulk of the information. People 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.520 were like cataloging someone's life and telling you when and 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.880 where and how they became this person they became. Then 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.560 you grow a brain and you're kind of like, yes, 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.199 as a skill, I can separate the art from the reality. 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.840 Or I can, you know, not personalize everything I consume. 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.079 Then I'm like way too sensitive these days, Like I 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.320 don't want to see someone get hacked up and know 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.360 it was real. And I also don't like the conversation 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:12.160 around it, because if we can create so much, what's 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.400 what I'm looking for? If we can be if we 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.640 can contextualize, like you know, like we're not supporting the 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.280 serial killer when we watch Cerichiller movies, then where do 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.360 we find this much grace for everybody else in the 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.440 world who does a terrible things. It's like all morals 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.199 out the door when you find a hot serialkiller you 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.080 want to support, but like one random person says one 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.960 like mildly cooked stuff or cooked thing, and like you 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:36.480 want to deplatform that banished. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.160 I don't understand it. I don't like it. 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.360 Yeah, they've got to be connected somehow. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:41.560 Yeah, there's something there. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.520 I just couldn't I just couldn't imagine for some reason, 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.720 Dama hit me different, really really really different. It's the 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.440 point where I feel actually upset thinking about it. Just 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.520 this one scene in the second episode he does something 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.080 really awful to the man and maybe it's just really 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:59.839 good acting, but I just couldn't help but think I 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.600 gonna imagine being this kid's mum or that, you know, 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:07.160 imagine it's weird. Maybe when you get older and you realize, 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.800 like these things actually happen to people. Yeah, and it 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.679 could be like it could very much be happening right now. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.520 Mm hmm it is. Yeah. 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.120 But I also feel like I'm sure I wouldn't be 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:23.240 so uncomfortable with true crime if it wasn't so sensationalized. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.600 Like people don't just mildly watch af your true crime things. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.720 They're like deep in it. Oh, I watch I listen 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.440 to case Well every day and this and this, and 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.920 I go to bed to the sounds of people getting 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.600 I'm like, do you hear yourself? That can't be right. 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.600 And also are you so desensitized? Go watch an action movie? 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:40.840 You know what? 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.760 I like seeing chatting Tatum in a little in a 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.480 little white singklou jumping out of a burning building. You 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.720 know that that gets my adrenaline going. 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:51.040 I don't need to hear. 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.800 And also it's like I talk to my friends who 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.080 really like true crime, and what they appreciate about it is, 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.160 you know, I think it's like the historical element of 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.760 getting access to something that's happened in history in a 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.840 very conversational and inviting way. It's interesting. It's not exclusionary. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.920 It's inviting you into a space that you wouldn't be 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.360 in normally. I totally understand that, but I'm like, it's 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.360 also the problem because, like you know, there are YouTubers 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.319 who do like makeup and murder, and they'll tell you 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.160 about someone who's been after pieces while they show you 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.320 how to conto on. I'm like, I've sometimes these two 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.240 things just shouldn't mesh in the way we're trying to 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.720 make a mess. And when does it stop? 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.920 I don't know. I don't know. I just can't too 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.040 sensitive these days. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.280 Yeah, but paranormal will give me a ghost, like cutting 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.920 them up to pieces obsessed, you get vampires, zombies. 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:36.600 I love that. 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.880 The world is just too scary. I don't like it 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.480 here that much. I'm not going to go anywhere, like 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:42.520 I'm saying. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.920 But people are scared, Like, are you not. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:46.839 Afraid of the world. I'm so scared of the world. 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:50.000 I'm scared of people. I'm scared of like the possibilities. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.320 I still walk around. I felt so invincible. I was like, 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.960 I can walk around at night, I can travel alone 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:55.960 like that would. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:56.920 Never happen to me. I'm the exception. 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.200 No, babes, you just like all these other people. So 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.160 they were too smart, too cool, too pretty, too gifted, 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:08.000 too blessed, to looked after, to be hurt. No, literally, 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:12.200 everybody has a story of experiencing something harrowing. 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:16.760 No, please enough, I hate it. Well yep. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:21.040 So if you are listening for a recommendation, American horror stories, 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.640 get Hicks that way, hun very entertaining, well done, and 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:26.480 no real people were hurt vikings. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:31.439 What about war, war and pillaging? You know, gets a 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.280 history in you that way? Oh dear, this is flex 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:41.360 and frooms well flexee. I went to Ibtha recently. It's 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:45.360 a big show love and I saw David Getter. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.760 Before we even get to that. Can you please paint 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:48.600 a picture this? 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.800 I know you don't read fiction because you go straight 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.800 to the point, and I know, like what was the temperature? 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.800 Like what was the vibe of people wearing? How are 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.520 you feeling? I would love to. 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.680 This was the last day in ibetha spirits a fragile Okay. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.400 We had four tickets, so me, myself and three friends. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.280 You yourself, three friends that massive is wow, how much 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:09.760 of tickets? 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:14.280 Roughly one hundred and twenty os each each, So anyway, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.160 pre booked. I was kind of like leading the charge 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.080 with the d GAT and it gets to the day 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.640 half attendance rate, two of them have pulled out. Why 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.400 one severely hungover from the night before, which. 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.040 Shane knew what the what the score was, be serious 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.720 precisely a little hydro light, little gator Raye called a 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:32.400 day please. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.800 The other one was very ill, physically ill. 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:35.600 What kind of illness? 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:37.120 I don't want to share too much. I'm pretty sure 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.560 he listens to the podcast. Okay, but he was depleted. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.400 And you could see that, and you're comfortable with him 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.600 opting out? Oh yeah, you know he was. He wasn't 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.320 leaving the air bingb kind of thing. Okay, great. 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.880 So as me and my friend Rachel from high school, 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.160 we came to be friends over David Ghetto kind of 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.720 really all the house parties together. So it was a 0:14:55.720 --> 0:15:00.560 real passage passage of time experience. So we we get 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.640 the taxi from our accommodation to the festival. It's roughly 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.600 twenty minutes, probably half I was gonna say half an hour, 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.840 thirty dollars might get to the venue straight UPU I 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.160 and no, it's gonna be Banshe's central because it's like 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.920 the clubs in Ibtha if you've not been affing, enormous. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.280 But these are massive, but bigger than Ivy in Sydney. 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.440 Oh ten times this big? What Okay? Maybe not? 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:25.760 Maybe different? 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.480 So is it split up into like different rooms and 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.880 different genres or just like massive open space. 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.200 Well, the one that I went to was kind of 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.200 low key, but the one my friends went to without 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.040 me was all different rooms. There was a party in 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.480 the bathroom. Oh I love that DJA in the bathroom, 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.240 and it's mixed like anyone can go to the bathroom. 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:45.840 There's no gender divides. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.640 The one that I went to, the bathrooms had swans 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:50.960 with wings that you would turn. 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.360 The taps on with. It's very cool. 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.240 But David Ghettar get there. It's a full festival experience, 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.320 massive stage. It's like you're at Maybe it was intended 0:15:59.400 --> 0:15:59.760 to be. 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.640 His show or he was just like doing a little 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:03.320 set at a club. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.120 So this one wasn't a club. It was like an 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.480 outdoor area in a resort. Okay, it's got a pool 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.200 in the middle and kind of like apartments on either side. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.080 It's called a UI shot or something, and they have 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.040 people every night playing. But he has a Monday residency. 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:18.440 It's called f Me. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.960 I'm famous every Monday. It was a closing show. Oo 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.680 packs Energy's up Pack pack Packs. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:25.160 I get there. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.880 Mixed crowd, like a lot of kind of forty fifty 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.000 year olds, which makes sense. David Gettar, you know, he's 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.080 been around since two thousand and two. I got to 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:34.960 get a drink. I already knew that the drinks in 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.720 IBFA are exorbitant, fuly priced. Guess how much it costs 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.920 for two vodka Red Bulls aud thirty five bucks, seventy 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:48.760 two dollars, oh, seventy two. 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.680 I hadn't even touched the sides. And you're in debt. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.520 Seventy two Australian dollars for two vodka Red Bulls. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.200 Not even a double shot? Wow, one shot? So that 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.960 was the first nling drink you got. Surely, no, you 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:01.240 know what. 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.800 I got two drinks because this is David getting you know, 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.640 I'm going to push push the boat out and we 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.320 just kind of went side a stage. I wanted to 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.080 go in and my friend's a bit of a hooligan, 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:11.159 so I thought she was going to be with me, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:12.840 but she's like, no, let's stay on the side. 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.080 And when she pulls back, you know it's serious. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.439 So we just hung around kind of like on the side, 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.280 made some friends with a group of Italians. Nice everyone. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.280 The vibe was electric. To be fair, I was jumping 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:25.920 up and down the entire time like I was a 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:27.040 rabbit be peril. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.720 I was offline at this time, but my best friend 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:30.679 told me about the experience. 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.520 Did you see for me? And I didn't see it, 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:33.560 so you have to show me videos. 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.640 I was having the best time ever, literally painted grin 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:42.119 on my face. However, Oh it had its downside. No, 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:46.360 I came away with a serious flu, origins of which 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.280 I'm on shore. But it was bad, and so I 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.400 spend the rest of my troop bedbound. 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:52.720 Which was how many days? Three days? 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.320 That sucks, but with my auntie, so she's taking care 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:56.560 of me anyway. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.040 Man, flu, that was so cute. I can't believe he 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.119 ended up going who's great, that's hot and sexy? 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.840 This is flex and frooms on Cata. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:09.680 I have said what some would say is some controversial 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.520 stuff over the course of my life, but also this 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.080 radio show, and to be honest, I stand by it 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.160 because I think that somebody needs to start the conversation, 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.520 and if that must be me, then so be it. 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.840 I think that we should bring back lying. I don't 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:26.520 want to leave it at that. Somebody has a message 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.840 us to with a bit of a moral dilemma, and 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.320 I think we should answernestly because you don't do it often. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:32.919 But we should try it on for size. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.840 They say, should I lie to my current employer to 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.440 get accepted at a much better job and more fitting job? 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:39.080 Off the back? 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:44.080