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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the Morning Sam Two years ago

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Speaker 1: Olympic legend Shane Gould. She was sixty one years old

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Speaker 1: at the time. She outwitted, she outplayed, she outlasted twenty

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Speaker 1: three competitors to take out the title of sole Survivor.

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Speaker 1: Well last night she was back for Australian Survivor All Stars.

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Speaker 1: All people who know how to play the game inside

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Speaker 1: out were back together last night. Here was Shane's words

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Speaker 1: at the time.

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Speaker 2: I think people had revenge on their mind. They might

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Speaker 2: have voted me out, but at this stage I'm still

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Speaker 2: half a million dollars richer than they True, that's a

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Speaker 2: bit cheek, who gets the laugh, Just just digging the

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Speaker 2: dagger a little bit deeper, just playing a little bit

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Speaker 2: more of the game.

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Speaker 1: As I left, well, you played the game so well

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Speaker 1: that you blindsided a lot of the people there last

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Speaker 1: night from your series. Was it inevitable? They were going

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Speaker 1: to say, Shane has to go?

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Speaker 2: I think so, But as I said, you know that

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Speaker 2: that's boring. You know, come on, I was trying to.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say directly. I was a bit scared to say,

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Speaker 2: you know, to go to them and dare them. So

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Speaker 2: I dare you to keep me? Now, let's make this

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Speaker 2: game really interesting. Let's make it hard. And I wasn't

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Speaker 2: game enough to go that far, but I was hoping

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Speaker 2: that they would keep me, you know, to make make

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Speaker 2: it a really interesting game. So I thought it was

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Speaker 2: a boring Noah, it's interesting inevitable.

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Speaker 1: Because you all you're all ex players, so you all

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Speaker 1: know each other's gameplay. But survivor is always interesting because

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Speaker 1: you need to keep strong people around you so you

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Speaker 1: can win challenges, but you need the biggest threats to go.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's a real dilemma. And so so your

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Speaker 1: big game players and you're dramatists, they they.

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Speaker 2: Make it really interesting. But it's ultimately the nice people,

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Speaker 2: nice people or the clever ones who've negotiated the relationships

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Speaker 2: and the strategies and and you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of cooperation. You know, people think about comp petition being

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Speaker 2: being like like revenge or or you're against each other

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Speaker 2: and sort of sort of there's you know, yeah, stuff

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Speaker 2: like that, and they but competition is actually coming together

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Speaker 2: to help people to improve and to get the best

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Speaker 2: out of yourself and you and if you look at

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Speaker 2: you know, I looked at Chimpanzee Politics. It's a great

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Speaker 2: book by Franz Deval. He was a Dutch primatologist in

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Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies. He studied chimps for thirty years and

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Speaker 2: same with John Jane Goodall, you know. And so I

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Speaker 2: read up on those things and those ideas of primates

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Speaker 2: in a similar situation as survivor, tribal and tribal life,

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Speaker 2: and saw that the chimps actually work together. They have

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Speaker 2: to cooperate. And that's really the game of survivor. It's

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Speaker 2: not not about tearing people apart, but it's more about

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Speaker 2: how you can come together. And you see, you know,

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Speaker 2: as you if you keep watching the episod odes that

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do, I'm going to see how much

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Speaker 2: grooming occurs. You see physical grooming, physical groom. Yes, you

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Speaker 2: know there's even to the point of yucky pop pimple popping,

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Speaker 2: but you know, sort of brushing each other's hair, or

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Speaker 2: you know, dusting some sand off someone's back, or or

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Speaker 2: just a cuddle or you know that there's that. That's

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Speaker 2: what chimps do. They they they they cooperate, their reconcile,

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Speaker 2: They they get along, try to get along with each other,

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Speaker 2: even though, the sort of hierarchies. So so look, I

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Speaker 2: just I just found you know that. That's what interested me,

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Speaker 2: and that's why I start went to get one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons because I wanted to have that experience of

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Speaker 2: being a thing like a chimp. In monkey business, they

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Speaker 2: tend to throw their poop around a bit as well,

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Speaker 2: so we don't want to get to that. And some

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Speaker 2: and some of the monkey groups, like the Bonobos, they

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Speaker 2: use sex to really to reconcile and cooperate. I think

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Speaker 2: we've seen that in pastep of seasons as well. Well

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Speaker 2: it's a no go.

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Speaker 1: Well you're out.

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Speaker 2: Who do you think? So I don't. I'm surprised that

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Speaker 2: anyone can actually even win.

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Speaker 1: It because they all know everything about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I targeted Harry because when I watched him on

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Speaker 2: season four, I thought he was really smart. How he played,

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Speaker 2: he was he could. He was a bit like a

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Speaker 2: a vacuum cleaner salesman, you know, when they say, uh, look,

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Speaker 2: look look at look at look at how this, how

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Speaker 2: this works? And then then then then the person. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So what what Harry does is is he drops an idea.

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Speaker 2: He says, oh, Shane, I think think what what do

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Speaker 2: you think if we voted Amanda out, you know, and

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Speaker 2: I'd say, oh, that's why, why do you think that?

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Speaker 2: And then he'll leave you sit with that idea and

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Speaker 2: then later on it come back to you and say, Shane,

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Speaker 2: who do you think we should vote out? And say, oh, Amanda,

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Speaker 2: you know, so you think it's your idea, But he's

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Speaker 2: actually planted the seeds. So it's a bit like that's

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Speaker 2: why it's cleaner salesman. People had vacuum clean. You need this,

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Speaker 2: She's got a vacuum. So I think Harry's Harry's got

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Speaker 2: Harry is smart and he's got patience, and whereas someone

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Speaker 2: who's not like a drama queen, like like David David Gannett.

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Speaker 2: The I think he's fascinating to watch because he takes

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Speaker 2: such risks. But I think it will be Harry who's

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Speaker 2: a little bit more subtle and patient. My money is

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Speaker 2: on him, But I want my buddy from season three,

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Speaker 2: Shan Coombs. She she does some great work in advocacy

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Speaker 2: for women in who needs legal help. She's she's a

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Speaker 2: barrister in Melbourne and you know, I've got I'd like

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Speaker 2: her to go to win as well. There you go

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Speaker 2: and Amanda, you've got to you've been voted off.

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Speaker 1: I have been voted on. Yeah, but it's unexpected, but

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Speaker 1: they're the rules of that. You've got a new vacuum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. Shane, it's great.

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Speaker 1: Told you Australian Survivor All Stars is back tonight seven

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Speaker 1: point thirty on Channel ten.

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Speaker 2: Shane ruled it's been a treat. Yeah, thanks very much. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: join the and Amanda in the morning one at one

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Speaker 2: point seven Tell You Film