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Speaker 1: as their candidates for the August twenty by election. Now

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Speaker 1: Northern Trey, Natasha Files, joins me in the studio right now.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Minister, we just see opposition leader very similar questions.

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Speaker 1: The candidate for Fanny Bay for Labor was announced on Friday,

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Speaker 1: Brent Kottera. Why have you made a captain's pick to

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Speaker 1: choose someone who's reportedly a fifth floor staffer, who doesn't

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Speaker 3: In law to your chief of staff.

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Speaker 4: So Brent will be a fantastic member for Fanny Bay.

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Speaker 4: He'll ensure that the views of Perrap, Fanny Bay, the

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Speaker 3: Katie.

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Speaker 4: From time to time, when Paul Henderson ran in Mongouri,

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Speaker 4: he was actually living in night Cliff and committed to

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Speaker 4: Casarina living in Nightcliffe for many years, so I can

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Speaker 4: understand that the thoughts and the sentiment around that, but

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Speaker 4: I can assure the community that Brent will be a

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Speaker 4: he won't shy away from that. He's got a strong

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Speaker 1: I guess, you know, it's one thing for somebody to

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Speaker 1: that he lives in Palmeston Katie.

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Speaker 2: He's committed to the community.

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Speaker 4: He's got four children, so he has been trying to

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Speaker 4: But what it comes back to, It comes back to

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Speaker 2: Those neighborhood meetings. And I believe he'll be a strong

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Speaker 1: Did Labor have somebody who lives in the electorate who

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Speaker 4: So, Katie that there's a process that the party goes through.

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Speaker 4: Albeit it was very quick in a by election. In

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Speaker 4: lots of people that will say I want to pop

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Speaker 4: And I've outlined why I believe he's got those strengths,

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Speaker 2: It is a big change. They've had a local member

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Speaker 1: Is he your chief of staff's brother in Laura? I mean,

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Speaker 1: is this nepotism, Katie, It's not nepotism.

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Speaker 4: The territory is a small place and there's always strange relationships.

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Speaker 2: But you know, yes, he is that. I'm not going

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Speaker 4: It comes back to the point that I believe he

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Speaker 2: That these are difficult issues.

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Speaker 4: There's not one single solution, but I can absolutely assure territories.

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Speaker 4: I don't think the job's done. I have put in

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Speaker 1: All those measures were put in place so before this

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Speaker 1: Is there going to be more police on the beat

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Speaker 1: you know what? We actually need to see a greater

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Speaker 4: So in terms of police, they have certainly played an

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Speaker 1: All right, now, what about some of these alcohol policies.

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Speaker 3: Do we need to have a rethink about this.

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Speaker 4: So the opposition have no credibility when it comes to

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Speaker 3: Is that correct, no, Katie.

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Speaker 4: So in terms of the two kilometer rule, it is

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Speaker 3: So, I mean the really obvious question.

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Speaker 1: I know people are going to be yelling at their

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Speaker 1: Now, in terms of the BDR, there's plenty of people

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Speaker 4: I have been reviewing the band Drinker Register because it

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Speaker 1: So you don't want it scrapped or you're obviously not

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Speaker 4: I think we constantly need to look at our alcohol policies.

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Speaker 1: And I think, look, I think the community again is

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Speaker 1: Is to look at whether I need to leave town

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Speaker 4: Now, Absolutely, Katie, particularly during Senior's Month, we're celebrating the

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Speaker 1: Okay, I do want to move along because we heard,

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Speaker 1: the Territories Corruption Watchdog about a serious allegation regarding a

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, from the start, I think it's important for

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Speaker 1: Well, I think everyone knows that, but I think everyone's going,

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Speaker 2: To ensure that they have the legislation to do their job.

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Speaker 3: Will you pass that information onto the KAC Commissioner.

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Speaker 1: Last month in Queens said, we know that the government

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Speaker 4: Kat I think it's around reviewing that Act and the

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Speaker 4: So to me, when you make that statement about being

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Speaker 1: And yes, I do so, you're not going to do

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Speaker 3: We really have seen that. We're I don't know how

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Speaker 4: Will you do the same, Katie will always do whatever

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Speaker 2: But in the.

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Speaker 3: Definitely be seeing that movement downwards.

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Speaker 2: Five larger cities. We've got the my Fuel site.

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Speaker 4: But this is, you know something that is it's complex,

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Speaker 4: I think that you know that we there's factors that

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I said it right from last week.

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Speaker 1: God all is if these reasons why we are higher

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Speaker 3: But you know, I do.

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Speaker 1: Think that it's really important that you, as the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 4: Of course, and obviously that a Triple C report is

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Speaker 3: All right, that is good to know.

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Speaker 3: Do you?

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Speaker 4: Katie Gama was amazing and if a picture could paint

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I support this.

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Speaker 4: It is so important to Indigenous Australians and Indigenous Territorians

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Speaker 3: And my apologies I did say Baronga rather than Gama.

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Speaker 2: They're both amazing festivals.

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Speaker 3: But look, I know that.

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Speaker 1: There's been some concern rays that you know that this

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Speaker 4: I think it was appalling words from the leader of

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Speaker 1: Well, Chief Minister Natasha Files, we are going to have

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Speaker 1: to leave it there. We appreciate your time this morning

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Speaker 1: and no doubt talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thank thank you.