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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda gam Nation.

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Speaker 2: Well, we all know we live in a time where

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Speaker 2: the world seems very divided in every facet of political debate.

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Speaker 2: Friends are turning against friends, family members of falling out

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Speaker 2: over individual beliefs. But a show coming to SBS looks

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Speaker 2: to try and turn that around in a trial blazing

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Speaker 2: social experiment. It's called the Swap, and it follows what

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Speaker 2: happens when twelve students and families from very different cultures

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Speaker 2: and religions and backgrounds are thrown into each other's worlds.

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Speaker 2: The man behind this extraordin news show is Ali Kadri

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Speaker 2: and he joins us now, Ali, Hello, Ali.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, a man of Good Morning Jonesy. How are

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Speaker 1: you guys?

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Speaker 3: We're very well, thank you.

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Speaker 2: So what's the premise? Tell us how you've gone about this?

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Speaker 1: Look, the idea came to me because I was starting

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Speaker 1: one of my former students and being like studying or

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Speaker 1: studied all her life in an Islamic school. She said

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Speaker 1: the biggest concern she had when she graduated was how

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Speaker 1: she's going to talk to the non Muslims when she

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Speaker 1: comes across them in university. And it clicked in my

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Speaker 1: head that you know, we're in a multicultural community, we

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Speaker 1: are in a multicultural country, but sometimes we all grow

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Speaker 1: up in our silos. So you know, it's important to

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Speaker 1: break those silos when you're young, so the stereotypes don't foster,

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Speaker 1: and we have the confidence to talk to people who

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Speaker 1: are different than us, who we disagree with, but can

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Speaker 1: build respectful and healthy friendships.

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Speaker 3: And with this, you've got six Muslim families, four Catholic families,

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Speaker 3: and two atheist families and have the school term, you'll

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Speaker 3: swap around and live each other's life.

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Speaker 2: Do they how do you go about that? Do the

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Speaker 2: kids stay living with their own families?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the kids stayed with their families. They just swabbed

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Speaker 1: the schools. So they went to each other's school for

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Speaker 1: that part of the term and they studied as if

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Speaker 1: a students from that particular school would study. Also, the

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Speaker 1: families met each other over dinner and got to know

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Speaker 1: each other during the course of this time.

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Speaker 2: And what were some of the results. I mean, in

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Speaker 2: a Disney world, we'll all go how wonderful they all

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Speaker 2: had these incredible insights into each other. In the real world,

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Speaker 2: is that what happened?

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Speaker 1: There? Ups and downs? I mean, there are differences they

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Speaker 1: had to confront, some very minor, some quite big. And

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Speaker 1: there were also some good stories out of it, like

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Speaker 1: good friendships which were formed and which till today survive.

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Speaker 2: So this was an experiment on a small scale. Could

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Speaker 2: this be done on a bigger scale in terms of

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Speaker 2: actual life rather than just an experiment for a TV show?

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Speaker 1: I think so. I think it should be done. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is, I mean simple things.

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Speaker 1: These are Australian kids. They're going to grow up in Australia,

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Speaker 1: which is a very diverse and a multicultural nation. If

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Speaker 1: they don't get to know their fellow Australians, if they

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Speaker 1: don't understand that, you know, you can be different and

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Speaker 1: you have to respect each other's differences, then we will

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Speaker 1: not have a healthy society, will have a multiple single

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Speaker 1: societies in a big country, and that's not good for us.

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Speaker 2: Right out of the bubble.

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Speaker 1: Be done exactly, it should be done. It should be

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Speaker 1: done more across the country. And I'd love to see

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Speaker 1: this as a part of curricum and.

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Speaker 3: Some of the difficult like a Catholic school kid getting

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Speaker 3: put into a Muslim school during Ramadan had is that

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Speaker 3: all manifest Oh?

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Speaker 1: Look, I think that I'll give you a little stupid

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Speaker 1: without giving too much of it. And so one of

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Speaker 1: our students went to a Catholic girls school and it

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Speaker 1: was Friday after what afternoon prayer time. She had to pray,

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Speaker 1: and before we pray, we do evolution. So we washed

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Speaker 1: our feet and hands and stuff. So she had to

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Speaker 1: wash her feet in a sink because there was no

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Speaker 1: facility in that school. So some of the other girls

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Speaker 1: started getting her eyeballs and looking at her weird. Her

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Speaker 1: buddy Eliza stood God and gave ibad eyeballs back to

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Speaker 1: protect her friend.

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Speaker 2: Oh so that's also her new buddy you mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, her new body. Yeah, from that school. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that was just in a friendship of two weeks. Then

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Speaker 1: understood each other and they felt the need to protect

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Speaker 1: somebody else's right to practice.

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Speaker 3: You know why Australia should be all around the world,

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Speaker 3: because I think that's what we do really well as

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Speaker 3: a struggle. We don't always, yeah, but I think once

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Speaker 3: we understand a situation, no matter who you are, Muslim, gay, whatever,

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Speaker 3: you all everyone, once you meet someone of a certain persuasion,

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Speaker 3: you instantly have empathy for what that person goes through.

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Speaker 3: Do you find that.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think we do. But Johnson, there's still a

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Speaker 1: lot of places where there is biases and you see

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Speaker 1: that all the time. I mean against all sorts of differences.

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Speaker 1: You know. You hear that from sometimes quite influential people

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Speaker 1: when they come up and mock Muslims in a parliament house.

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Speaker 1: We've seen that before. We've seen some politicians making outrageous statements.

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Speaker 1: We've seen some casual racism on the street. We've seen Islamophobia, homophobia,

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Speaker 1: you know, all sorts of iulls in our society as well.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's important that we keep on watering

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Speaker 1: this tree of unity and it will grow into something

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Speaker 1: beautiful and make sure that the viabs of hatred are

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Speaker 1: never going to come here. I love it.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of metaphors there water the tree of

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Speaker 3: unity so it doesn't grow into hatred.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be in a show. It's called

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Speaker 2: The Swap, premieres tonight at eight point thirty on SBS

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Speaker 2: and SBS on demand.

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Speaker 3: Ali Candrey, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Guys,