1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: On today's show, Sarah's Day is accused of living in 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: a bubble over insensitive post Travis Kelcey labeled a himbo 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: after his old tweets resurfaced, Jet Kenny's Tinder stalker and 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Indy Clinton's baby name clues. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news. 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: I name me Torba, and I wanted to start the 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: episode by saying a big thank you to all of 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: the listeners because we have received some really kind messages 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: following the launch of our new Unspoken series, which dropped 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: on Thursday last week. 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 2: It was, of course, all about Victoria Beckham. 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: It's so exciting to see that everyone is getting that 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: Victoria Beckham fever that we all have. I did want 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: to clear up a few things though, because there was 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: a little bit of confusion when our Subs episode dropped 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: on Friday. A lot of people thought that that was 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: our regular Friday episode. 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: So just to. 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Reiterate, our normal Influencer episode is dropping on Tuesdays. We 20 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: now have this new series called Unspoken, which is dropping 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: on Thursdays, and we have changed our Subs episode to Friday. 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: And I think the confusion is because normally our subs show, 23 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: we were doing deep dives in that So now the 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: free show is actually the deep dive series, and the 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: Friday episode for subscribers is that extra influencer content. So 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: thank you so much to everyone who pointed out and 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: we're like, oh my god, I think you've accidently uploaded 28 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: Friday's episode as a subscriber one that was intentional. Friday 29 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: is now our new day for subscriber episode. We had 30 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: just had such a great response from our deep dives 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: that we were sharing on our subs episode that we 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: thought there's so much time and effort that goes into 33 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: them that we want to make them available for the 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,639 Speaker 1: rest of our listeners. And also it kind of works 35 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: well because on our subscriber episodes, it means that we 36 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: can go into a little bit more depth about some 37 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: of the stories that we're covering influencer wise, and because 38 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: it is behind a. 39 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: Paywall, we can, you know, we can really dive in 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: a bit. 41 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we can say things that maybe we wouldn't normally 42 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: say on the free to air episodes. Also, I've been 43 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: saving up a few stories for the subscriber episodes. Stuff 44 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: that's happened recently that maybe I don't want people I 45 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: know to particularly hear a bit of juicy gossip for 46 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: the subscribers, that's a bit of a signal for Amy's 47 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: friends and families to follow us. 48 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, thank you. 49 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: We really do appreciate all of the support for the 50 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: new series and it's so fantastic to hear. 51 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: That you're all enjoying it. 52 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: We do really want to get our new series out 53 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: there to as many people as possible, So if you 54 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: are enjoying it, could you please make sure that you 55 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: review and also let a friend know or tag us 56 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: on Instagram from where you're listening from good morning, we 57 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: are getting ready for my pajama photoship. Sarah's Day has 58 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: been labeled tone deaf and accused of living in a bubble. 59 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: After asking her followers how she can send Christmas presents 60 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: to Israeli and Palestinian children on Friday, she shared a 61 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: photo holding a bag of toys and wrote, missus Claus 62 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: is in the building hashtag boy. She then re shared 63 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: that photo and wrote, we've recently discovered we can't currently get. 64 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: My cookbooks to Israel. 65 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: Every year I take part in Operation Christmas child, But 66 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: I'd also love to know how can I send presents 67 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: to children in Israel and Palestine? 68 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: So was she. 69 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: Hoping to sell the book in Israel and is disappointed 70 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: that it won't ship there, or was she hoping to 71 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: gift it to the children? Well, my understanding is she 72 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: was surprised that it couldn't be delivered to people who'd 73 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: ordered it from Israel. I mean, I don't know how 74 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: big her audience is in Israel. 75 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: Or how important the book would be for them at 76 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: this time. That's the thing. 77 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: This is the first post where Sarah has addressed the 78 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: horrific conflict that is going on. And when you're addressing 79 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: your large platform about such a sensitive and complex situation, 80 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: what on earth would possess you to begin that conversation 81 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: by airing your disappointment that you can't get your cookbooks 82 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: delivered there? It just comes across as so tone deaf 83 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: and unaware of what's going on. I mean, I'm sure 84 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: that's a really pressing matter for the Israelis right now, 85 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: not being able to get Sarah's Day's Cookbook into the country. 86 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: As someone said in a Facebook community, this has got 87 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: to be satire. They wrote, it's so silly it's horrifying 88 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: slash hilarious. Perhaps Sarah saw this as a way of 89 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: bringing up what's happening in Israel and Gaza right now, 90 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: because she would be getting a lot of dms pressuring 91 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: her to make some form of comment, and I am 92 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: assuming she thought this might be a good way to 93 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: bring it up. While I do think that the comments 94 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: have come across as incredibly insensitive and not very educated, 95 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't think that she was trying to come from 96 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: a completely negative place. It's quite apparent that she does 97 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: do a lot of work within her Christian faith to 98 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: give presents to kids in need, and perhaps she was 99 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: trying to think of a way that you can help, 100 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: because I mean, I think we all feel very powerless 101 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: watching this all go on and there. 102 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: It feels like there isn't much that we can do. 103 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: But a lot of experts are saying that the best 104 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: thing to do is to donate to charities and actually 105 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: give money and also be signing petitions to try and 106 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: fight for a ceasefire well as opposed to giving Christmas 107 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: presents to children who don't celebrate. Yes, on your point, Amy, 108 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: only two percent of the population in both Israel and 109 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: Palestine identify as Christian. So in Israel seventy four percent 110 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: of the population are Jewish, in eighteen percent of Muslim, 111 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: while in Palestine ninety eight percent of the population identify 112 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: as Sunny Muslim. So it just seems ridiculous that Sarah 113 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: would have even suggested sending these places Christmas presents. If 114 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: you love Japanese food, then you have to check out 115 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: she being Collingwood. 116 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: So it's Harry Styles approved. 117 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: A Melbourne cafe continues to be inundated by Harry Styles 118 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: fans months after the pop star dined in for breakfast. Now, 119 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: whilst many cafe owners could only dream of the publicity, 120 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: owners of Chibi and Collingwood are fed up and of 121 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: banned customers from taking photos and videos inside the cafe. 122 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: So if it's hard to believe it's actually been nine 123 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: months since Harry dined there. Yeah, so he visited the 124 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: Japanese cafe when he was touring Australia and February as 125 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: part of his stadium tours. And this cafe is also 126 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: a homeware shop and it's hidden amongst Colinwood's backstreet, so 127 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: you can see why it was an attractive option for 128 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: Harry he thought maybe he could blend in now for 129 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: those who are heavily invested in this, Harry ordered the 130 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: signature breakfast and a green tea. Now, I mean, what 131 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: exactly is. 132 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: On the signature breakfast. 133 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: Well, it's grilled salmon, a laid and rolled omelet, vegetables, 134 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: potato salad, rice, and misso soup. Sounds like some good 135 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: fuel for your standard tours that you're doing now. At 136 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: the time, Gib's co owner Meg Tanker, said that diners 137 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: either didn't notice Harry or were very restrained and allowed 138 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: him to enjoy his meal outside before browsing the Japanese 139 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: Home West. Well, they might have been restrained, but they 140 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: were still doing the sneaky film. So there are so 141 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: many videos of him all over TikTok at this cafe. 142 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: I bet everyone is ordering this breakfast as well well. Surprisingly, 143 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: the cafe owner Meg said that at the time not 144 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: too many fans actually popped in, But now in the 145 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: months since, there's been an influx of fans creating content 146 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: at the cafe. So I had a bit of a 147 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: look online and there's a handful of videos of fans 148 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: created videos about their experience at the cafe. So one 149 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: is entitled checking out this Harry Styles approved Japanese cafe, 150 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: whilst another was captioned where Harry Styles visited in Melbourne 151 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: and another one was saying, oh, Harry's been here. So 152 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: there's only a handful of videos, but I'm assuming a 153 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: lot of teenagers are coming in and making a nuisance 154 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: of themselves because the cafe is sick of it. They 155 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: have put up signs banning anyone from taking any photos 156 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: or videos in the side of the cafe. 157 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: Now, I think that's. 158 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: So foolish though, because this trend it's obviously being spurred 159 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: on by TikTok and working in pr you want people 160 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: posting about your restaurant. This is obviously getting bums on seats. Well, 161 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: the Age picked up on this story and they were 162 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: trying to push the angle that the cafe is fed 163 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: up at influencers creating this content, and they put together 164 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: a story saying that it's a really bad business strategy 165 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: because as a cafe, you really do want people with 166 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: a large platform there. But when I had to look 167 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: at the people who were actually sharing this Harry Styles content, 168 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: they were all people that only had couple of hundred followers. 169 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking that the cafe is more annoyed by 170 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: young people coming in who aren't spending much money and 171 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: who are then instead spending the whole time just taking 172 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 1: behind the scenes videos on their phone. Because those people 173 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: they're not really getting much off, they're not getting money 174 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: and they're not getting exposure. Well, this is becoming a 175 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: bit of a trend. So recently The New York Times 176 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: reported that a wine bar and ice cream parlor in 177 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: Paris went to the extent of hiring bounces because it 178 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: was so overrun by people taking photos in the venue. 179 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: So the owner of the venue actually ended up banning 180 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: TikTok videos and she put up a sign saying no 181 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: TikTok be here to have fun, not take pictures. She 182 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: also said it got to the stage where the guests 183 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: weren't even tasting the ice creams because they were so 184 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: intent on just taking photos and content. The funniest thing 185 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: about this Japanese restaurant is just because Harry went there once, 186 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't actually mean it's like he enjoyed it. He 187 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: could ha seniture breakfast, maybe had food poisoning. Yeah, I 188 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: totally understand the frustration. It would be so annoying seeing 189 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: people who perhaps weren't spending much money just using your 190 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: restaurant as a backdrop for their photo shoot, particularly if 191 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: they're being pretty shameless about it and getting in people's 192 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: way and making other diners feel uncomfortable. I was speaking 193 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: to a cafe owner not too long ago, and I 194 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: was talking to him about PR and possible opportunities, and 195 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: he said, we don't need PR because we have the 196 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: clientele we want. We have enough people coming in that 197 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: we actually don't want to attract more customers. So maybe 198 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: that's the same case with this Japanese cafe, and maybe 199 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: they're the customers that they don't actually want. 200 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 201 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: There are a lot of young people who just want 202 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: to go to a restaurant to be seen, and they 203 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: may be sitting with that one hot chocolate or a 204 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: cup of coffee for hours on end, just taking up 205 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: a seat that could be better used. 206 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: For a customer who's spending more and more money. 207 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: I think that's unusual for a cafe, though there would 208 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: be so many places out there that would love this 209 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: kind of attention, particularly in the economic climate. It's so 210 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: confusing when a lot of venues invest money in getting 211 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: influences in or they ask general members of public to review, 212 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: because a lot of those reviews help build trust and 213 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: reputation within that business. I could understand if it was 214 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: a negative review and you're on TikTok and everyone's like, oh, 215 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: this cafe that Harry dindad is shit, So I could 216 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: understand if you were trying to manage that, But that 217 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be the content that's getting out there. 218 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: This is obviously the reason he went to this cafe 219 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: because it's not your typical instagrammable cafe that all the 220 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: Harry Styles fans would have beat. Do you think it's 221 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: a bit of snobbery with these restaurants that are like, 222 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: we don't need TikTokers here. I do think it is, 223 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: And I wonder would that put you off if there 224 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: was a sign that said you're not allowed to film 225 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: at this restaurant one hundred percent, because I just think 226 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: it's such a bad move strategically, because in this climate, 227 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: most young people will check TikTok or Instagram, either reviews 228 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: or just to get a look at what the menu 229 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: items look like in order to think, oh, yeah, I 230 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: might go there with my friends, and also for me 231 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: if I'm going to a restaurant for my birthday or 232 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: a hen's party or whatever. 233 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: It may be. 234 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: I want to take photos there to remember that experience 235 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: and to document it. Reminds you of this pizza shop. 236 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: So if and I used to do PR four and 237 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: all of the publicity revolved around the fact that this 238 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: guy was very controversial and he had a set of 239 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: rules to come into his restaurants. So one of them was, 240 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: if you ordered a pizza, you can't have pineapple on it. 241 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: So I do think it does alienate. 242 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: A lot of people. 243 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: But then there are diners who do want to go 244 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: to these restaurants that have specific rules because they're sick 245 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: of being around a certain clientele. I think that having 246 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: signs up banning certain activities, particularly when taking photos is 247 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: quite a normal activity these days to do when you 248 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: got a restaurant puts a bad taste in diner's mouths, 249 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: and it makes the tone. 250 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: Sort of negative. It makes it very exclusive, though. 251 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: And some people like that. Well maybe they're hoping to 252 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: attract more celebrities like Harry Starts. I don't want people 253 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: taking photos. Yeah, who are you, random person on the mic? 254 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: My name is Jeff. 255 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: Gladiator Star and model Jack Kenny has revealed that a 256 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: Tinder stalker pushed him to make things official with influencer 257 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: Lily Brown. So for this one's juicy, what happened? So 258 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: Je recently appeared on Lily's finale of her podcast and 259 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: they were clearly holding out for him because a lot 260 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: of people are interested to get more of an insight 261 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: into their relationship. So I was really curious to know 262 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: how they actually met, and it turns out it had 263 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: a lot to do with Lily Brown's mum. So Lily 264 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: Brown's mum was watching Sas Australia back in twenty twenty 265 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: one and she texts Lily saying there's a really hot 266 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: guy on here and he's nice to his mum, go 267 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: and add him on Instagram. So Lily proceeded to follow 268 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: her mum's instructions and added him. So Je was watching 269 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: the show and he noticed that Lily had followed him. 270 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: He didn't follow back straight away, though he actually screenshot 271 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: her page to remember. That's a bit of a power play. 272 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: I guess he was probably getting a lot of follow 273 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: requests that night. Yeah, Well, he said that he wanted 274 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: to do a bit of research first before following her back, 275 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: and he seemed quite sort of taken by the fact 276 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: that she was a redhead. He hadn't seen to date 277 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: a redhead before, and Lily was joking on the podcast 278 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: that once you go red, you don't go back. Well, 279 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: she would have had a blue ticket at the time 280 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: as well, so that would have sparked his interest. 281 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 2: So a fuck ton of followers. 282 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: I mean I looked to his account now he's only 283 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: got seventy thousand followers, so she clearly had the bigger 284 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: name in terms of social media than him. So he 285 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: didn't hear who actually asked who out. But a week later, 286 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: Lily happened to be on the Sunshine Coast and she 287 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: booked an. 288 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: AIRB and B. That is so planned. 289 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: There is no way that she just happened to be 290 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: there at the time. She would have splashed the cash 291 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: to make this happen, or Lily Brown's mum, she just 292 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: suddenly booked it. I think you need to go here. Well, 293 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: on the way there, Jet text her and said, oh, 294 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: what do you like and she said she'd love champagne. 295 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: So he rocked up with two bottles of champagne and 296 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: she'd apparently already had two or three drinks before he'd 297 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: arrived because she was that nervous to speak to him anyway. 298 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: So they ended up going out for dinner and then 299 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: they went back to her AIRB and B and ended 300 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: up watching the second episode of sas Australia. To me, 301 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: it's funny because he actually comes across as super lovely 302 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: and intelligent and really well spoken. Because I was going 303 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: to say, in any other circumstance, it seems like a 304 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: bit of an ego thing by putting on. 305 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: The TV show that you're on. But I suppose because 306 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: they struck up. 307 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: A conversation about the show, maybe that's why they watched it. 308 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: It almost seems though from Lily's perspective, that she was 309 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: a bit on the back foot, as if he was 310 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: the biggest starstruck. Yeah, because it's odd to me a 311 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: lot of influencers. I think they placed a great level 312 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: of importance on people who were on television as opposed 313 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: to YouTube, when most people probably know, especially in our 314 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: age bracket, who Lillly Brown is over Jet Yeah. Yeah, 315 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: Well it's funny because I think that they must have 316 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: spent the night together and Lily said there was some 317 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: sort of shower action going on. 318 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: I don't quite know the full. 319 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: Details there, but she said that she has hair extensions 320 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: and her hair got ruined by the shower, so she 321 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: woke up with her hair looking an absolute mess. So 322 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: she rang up her hairdresser and said, I'm seeing Jet 323 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: again tonight. I'm going to come down to Brisbane and 324 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: you're going to give me a blow dry. So she 325 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: literally did a five hour round trip to Brisbane to 326 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: get her hair done, then back to the Sunshine Coast. 327 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: So she told him that she'd just been working from 328 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: a cafe that day. Anyway, Day two went well. She 329 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: ended up going back to Jet's house and he lives 330 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: with his dad, so she met the dad and they 331 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: ended up watching episode three of SAS and by that 332 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: stage Jet was already holding her hand on the couch, 333 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: and she pulled out her phone and took a photo 334 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: of them holding hands. He didn't know this and sent 335 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: it to her mom, saying, oh, check this out, Mum. 336 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: Have you guys ever done that before, like taking a 337 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: sneaky photo of maybe someone you've been dating. 338 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: No, No, I haven't. I've always been too scared to 339 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: do that. 340 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: It's pretty ballsy, isn't it scared? 341 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: Much? 342 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: I've been caught out being like, what the hell are 343 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: you doing taking a photo of our hands? Well, see, 344 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: so I was quite surprised because I thought that they 345 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: must have then just started their relationship from there. But 346 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: after that they were friends for a year, and then 347 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: Jet was filming another show in Brisbane, so he had 348 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: a couple of months where he was hanging out with Lily, 349 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: but they weren't official. So how do you go from 350 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: bringing a girl over to your parents' house, holding her 351 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: hands on the couch while you're all watching a TV 352 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: show to then just being like, oh, we're just friends. 353 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very confusing. 354 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: But remember she was involved in a video with Michael Finch. 355 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: It was one of those say it or shot at once, 356 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: and I think she was asked who's the most famous 357 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: person you've slept with, and she referenced Jack Kenny and 358 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: then she specified that, oh, we're friends and we've been 359 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: friends for a while. Well you could tell at that 360 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: point that she's really into this and she probably wanted more. 361 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: But it seems like he's the one with the commitment 362 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: issues because Lily is his first ever girlfriend. 363 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he is twenty nine. 364 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: It did surprise me that Lily is his first girlfriend. 365 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: And it seems like this Tinder. 366 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: Stalker amy that you referenced at the start is what 367 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: actually led to the making things official, because whilst he 368 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: was in the talking stage with Lily, this girl that 369 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: he met on Tinder years before kept just popping up 370 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: in his life in random situations. So he was at 371 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: the front of his house and he lives by the water, 372 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: and she just happened to be sitting on a bench nearby. 373 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: Then she kept rocking up at the beach where he's 374 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: a lifeguard. It even got to the point that she 375 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: delivered him a handwritten letter which said can we give 376 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: things a go? And listed all of these dates that 377 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: she wanted to go on with him. And it's clear 378 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: that this girl really bothered Lily because she just said, 379 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: oh my god, sucked in eye one and all these sorts. 380 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: But isn't it funny because they're stead of talking about 381 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: this girl being a stalker. But then it seems a bit, 382 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, not saying Lily was a stalker, but she 383 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: did rock up at the Sunshine Coast on her little holiday. 384 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: And maybe he incites this kind of behavior and girls, 385 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: because he is obviously a really nice guy, but there 386 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: must be something he does to make all of these 387 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: girls hooked on him. She was saying what a gentleman 388 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: he is, and that from day dot he treated her 389 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: so beautifully and held her hand. Do you think that 390 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: he kind of made out that this Tinder girl was 391 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 1: a stalker, but he was really just seeing her at 392 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: the same time. That's what I thought, because so when 393 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: this girl handed him the letter saying I want to 394 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: do all these things with you, Lily said, well, why 395 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 1: didn't you just fother off and say you have a girlfriend. 396 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: And apparently it was that comment that made him think, oh, okay, 397 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: well maybe. 398 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: You are my girlfriend, Lily. So it wasn't really the 399 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: most romantic story of how they got together. 400 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: See to me, if I was looking at this in 401 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: a black and white situation, it sounds like he was 402 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: tating two girls at the same time. 403 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: Came to the point when we were at to pick one. 404 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: I love when you go to a wedding and the 405 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: celebrant gives you the whole spill on how the relationship 406 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: first started, and they're able to twist and make it 407 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: so beautiful. 408 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: I want to hear this story. Do they mention the stalker? 409 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 2: If they get married, well, I would love to know 410 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: the stalker side of things. 411 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: Imagine being classified as this tin the stalker when you actually, 412 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: perhaps genuinely had a relationship with this person. I am 413 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: really interested to see how their relationship progresses because they 414 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: are doing long distance at the moment, and Jet does 415 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: live with his family, So I think that things will 416 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: start evolving more if they actually move in together, because 417 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: they were talking about how their plans are to buy 418 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: a house with each other in a couple of years time, 419 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: so it'll be interesting to watch. 420 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: I've got some wise words that Cincinnati matter. 421 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey has been labeled a himbo after decade old 422 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: tweets of his have emerged. So usually when old tweets 423 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: are dug up, it's not good for the person. And 424 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: while there have been a handful of tweets that haven't 425 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: aged well, overall, the swifties are happy as they're mostly 426 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: very wholesome. So for those of you who haven't seen 427 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: the tweets, Travis basically just tweeted anything that popped into 428 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: his head in the twenty ten So I'll give you 429 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: an example. One of his tweets that have gone viral says, 430 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: I just gave a squirrel a piece of bread and 431 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: it straight smashed all of it. I have no idea 432 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: they ate bread like that. Ha ha hashtag crazy. Another 433 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: said the moon looks crazy tonight. I'm gonna chill out 434 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: for a little while and just visualize my success and 435 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: vibe to the scenery. Another one simply read USA is 436 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: pissing me off. I'm confused why everyone's so shocked by 437 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: these tweets, because in the twenty tens, that's the sort 438 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: of shit. 439 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: That people wrote. 440 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: It's so random what people you use to put on Twitter. 441 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: I find it interesting that these comments are being classified 442 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: as himbo comments. So for those who don't know, a 443 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: himbo is like the male version of a bimbo. So 444 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: maybe ditzy, airheaded comments that have said these are just 445 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: general observations that people would make on Twitter ten years ago. Yeah, 446 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: but when you compare it to the tweets that Taylor 447 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: Swift was making at the time, there is a big difference. 448 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: Taylor was writing these beautiful things that were so deep, 449 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: and then you've got Travis talking about a squirrel. 450 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: He also spelt squirrel wrong. 451 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: It's the comparison that makes it funny, because I think 452 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: a lot of us weren't having really deep and meaningful 453 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: thoughts back on Twitter ten years ago. 454 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: I think it's this whole contrast. 455 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting when you consider the two men 456 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: that Taylor Swift has been linked to since her breakup 457 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: with Joe Alwen. So you've got Travis kelce who's been 458 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: labeled as a himbo and a Golden Retriever boyfriend, and 459 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: the Swifties absolutely love him because of it. And then 460 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: you've got musician Matt Healy who has deactivated his Twitter 461 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: account countless times because he's always saying really problematic things, 462 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: and the Swifties instantly hated him, they rejected him, and 463 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't long until Taylor Swift dumped him. So these 464 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: two guys have completely different brands. I find it so 465 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: funny because we've heard so much about Travis Kelcey and 466 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's relationship. We've been given a front row seat 467 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: into how their romance has played out. Yet we are 468 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: also intrigued. It's like a drug to find more. Okay, 469 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: let's go and look at his Twitter comments. What else 470 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: can when we find out about this guy? Even though 471 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: he literally has a podcast that he puts out every 472 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: week where he drops stuff about Taylor Swift. It's because 473 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: everyone feels like they're Taylor Swift's friends, so they're doing 474 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: that background search making sure he's good enough for Taylor. 475 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: In regards to his old tweets, I just love all 476 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: of the brands that have jumped on board all of 477 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: the publicity around it, because you mentioned that he spoke 478 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: about his love of Taco Bell and they've been replying 479 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: humorous things, and so have a lot of other restaurants 480 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: like Olive Garden, who he was very impressed with their 481 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: I think it was their fetichini. Do we think that 482 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: someone has just stumbled on these tweets or they've sort 483 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: of been pushed into the right hands, because we know 484 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: how good Taylor's PR team are because they're on top 485 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: of everything. Because before there were even whispers in the 486 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: media that these two were going out, I'm sure that 487 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: Taylor's PR team would have gone through everything with a 488 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: fine tooth comb making sure that there were no offensive 489 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: comments on his page because they want to be really 490 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: strategic and make sure he is this wonderful guy with 491 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: golden Retriever energy that everyone loves. I don't agree because 492 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: they let her date Matt Haaley. Yeah, but a lot 493 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: of people are saying that that was strategy so that 494 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: then her next relationship was so well liked. 495 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 496 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people have said, oh, this 497 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: is a PR relationship. I don't actually think it is. 498 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: And it is important to note that since all of 499 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: these funny tweets have popped up, there is a subreddit 500 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: thread that is claiming that there were some problematic tweets 501 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: regarding him being fat phobic and calling girls ugly, so 502 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: it's not all positive. I don't think any PR team 503 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: wants to be digging up old tweets. 504 00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: I am interested to know that. 505 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: Do we like the fact that Taylor is dating a himbo? 506 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: Because I actually love that Taylor is dating a himbo 507 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: because twenty twenty three is the year of the himbo. 508 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: Think about the Barbie movie and how Ken became the 509 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: breakout star, and it's all about these powerful women that 510 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: are independent, they're successful, but they're dating a himbo because 511 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: it actually really works with them. So many people have 512 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: spoken about how this relationship is different for Taylor, and 513 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: I think it's because she's dating a himbo and she 514 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: hasn't before I totally get where you're coming from, because 515 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: a lot of fans have pointed out that it's so 516 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: exciting to see one of Taylor's boyfriends actually publicly supporting 517 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: her and showing up to her concerts. I mean, particularly 518 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: because he is an NFL player. Usually we see you know, 519 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: wives and girlfriends in the stands cheering them on, so 520 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: it's really special to see him cheering her on. The 521 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: only thing I don't like about this whole himbo tag 522 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: is there's sort of the inference that Taylor's quite happy 523 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: to have someone who will just coast along and not 524 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: challenge her. And that's what I think is dangerous because 525 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: we don't know the ins and outs of this relationship. 526 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: Maybe he does really challenge her, and maybe they are equals. 527 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: I think that the whole himbo term almost puts him 528 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: in a lower category than her. I think what Kate's saying, though, 529 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: is that Taylor Swift is so powerful and there almost 530 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: needs to be a man that sort of. Obviously, Travis 531 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: is hugely popular in the NFL, but he's less of 532 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: a star than her, so he sort of needs to 533 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: take the back seat, and maybe that's what she needs 534 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: rather than you know, like the John Mayers of the 535 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: world who might. 536 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 2: Be competing against her. 537 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: Tamas isn't competing against her, and she's the star. 538 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: He's speaker than Joe Allen though. 539 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's had the brooding, intelligent John Mayers that 540 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 1: are over complicated. She needs a golden retriever boyfriend who 541 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: doesn't want someone to be loyal and reliable and have 542 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: a kind soul and be hot. And I think people 543 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: are loving Like you saw everyone going nuts about that 544 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: hug after the concert. 545 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: He's fucking hot, he's buff. 546 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: They love the fact that he he's bigger than Taylor 547 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: and he's embracing her. 548 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 2: And a man. She needs a man. 549 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: She needs a man and who cares if he's not 550 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: very bright and doesn't know how to spell squirrel. 551 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: He loves her and he's nice to heir. I think 552 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: it's fucking great. I'm going to whisper Mama into Bamby's 553 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: hair while she sleeps Hofelle, she has some sort of 554 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: brain fart and says. 555 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: Mama, I know, I look like I've been on a 556 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: fifteen day bender, but this one fucking pregnancy looks like 557 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: when you have four weeks to go. Indy Clinton has 558 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: four weeks to go in her pregnancy and is encouraging 559 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: her followers to guess her baby's name. So earlier this year, 560 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: Indy's baby name selection became talk of the Internet when 561 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,479 Speaker 1: she and fellow influencer Molly May both called their daughter's 562 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: Bambi and now, for the record, Indy was first with 563 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: the name. So this year she's asking her followers to 564 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: guess the name of her unborn daughter. So for those 565 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: who don't know, Indy's son is called Navy, and she 566 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: obviously has Bamby, so everyone is predicting an unusual name. 567 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: I just can't believe that she's giving birth in four weeks. 568 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: It just feels it's like she gave birth to Bambi 569 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: the other day. How do we all feel about these 570 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: guessing games when it comes to influence as kids? Because 571 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are having a positive 572 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 1: reaction to this guessing game because she is such a 573 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: beloved influencer, because she really posts the reality of motherhood 574 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: on her channel. However, I feel like if another influencer 575 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: who perhaps was more controversial, was having this guessing game, 576 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: they might be being slammed for monetizing their child or 577 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: putting their child out. 578 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 2: There for game. 579 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: I think it's different because her brand is this chaotic 580 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: mum on Instagram and she hasn't produced these polished clues. 581 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: It feels very authentic, so let's go through the clues. 582 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: So she has said that the name is a short 583 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: name and it doesn't end in an e, sound like 584 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: Navy or Bambi. 585 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: She's also shared a photo of. 586 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: Her Christmas tree with a hint on it, so followers 587 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: picked up that there is a letter s ornament hanging 588 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: off the tree near the star. So this has led 589 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: a lot of people to guess the name might be 590 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: Stuff or Scout or Sunday. Indy has also shared a 591 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: photo of Bamby in the garden and asked if anyone 592 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: spotted the hint. So based on this, followers have been 593 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: guessing the name is Sage because it looks like there 594 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: is a herb garden in the background, so Sage the 595 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: s It's all coming together. 596 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 2: I love the fact. 597 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: That no one's just guessing Sally or Samantha or you 598 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, it's just it's gonna be 599 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: an unusual name for sure. I was trying to think 600 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: of a Disney name with an S, but all I 601 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: could think of was Simburb, but that's a boy's name. 602 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: It's just such a branding opportunity for these new parents, 603 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: it seems to be, particularly those who have a following 604 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: to They always have to have a name that no 605 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: one else has. And that's why there was so much 606 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: controversy when she found out that Molly May also named 607 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: her kid Bamby, because you'd be like, fuck off, I've 608 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: just come up with this weird name. The guessing game 609 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: is very clever though, because it's adding so much engagement 610 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: to her page. People would be dming her all the time. 611 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: She does get so many replies and views on her story. 612 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: She shared recently a screenshot and I couldn't leave how 613 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: many people were engaging with her content. It just shows 614 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: what a strong following that she does have. In terms 615 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: of more guesses. She has shut down the name Sailor 616 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: because she said it would be too. 617 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: Much with the name Navy. 618 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: And it's pretty funny because an American TikToker has done 619 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: this whole intricate video where they're coming up with all 620 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: these different concepts and theories based on whether it's a 621 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: Disney theme or anything to do with Navy and it's 622 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: pretty funny because Indy has commented on the video saying 623 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: that the guess of Dove was the closest to the 624 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: name that she's picked. 625 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: Is it wrong that I don't really care what her 626 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: kids called? I do. 627 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm invested in this big time because I love seeing 628 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: her tiktoks. She actually shows the real side of motherhood. 629 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: It's not like a filtered thing like her kid's going nuts. 630 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: And I just like these unique names. 631 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: I like her content. 632 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: But again, I'm quite happy to wait for the four 633 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: weeks until I just find out what the name is. Like, 634 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be doing a huge investigation into 635 00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: what this unorned. 636 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're probably not. 637 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: Into her content as much. I remember when Sarah's Day 638 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: was spoon feeding details about Fox's name. I was ready 639 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: for that name. Yes, Sophie, I think you're being highly cynical. 640 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: I think this is just a little bit of fun, 641 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: and I'm all for buying into the clues and seeing 642 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: what it is. She did provide an update on Monday, 643 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: sharing the photo of a Christmas tree and said that 644 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: thousands of people had guessed the hint, but surprisingly, only 645 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: two people have guessed the baby's name. So the unsuccessful 646 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: guesses are Rosemary, Lynnen Cyber Monday and Sunday cyber Monday. 647 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: That's a good one. 648 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all we've got time for. If 649 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: you did enjoy the episode, we'd love if you could 650 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: go and leave us a five star review, and don't 651 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: forget to join in on all the conversations in Outspoken, 652 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: the podcast community on Facebook.