WEBVTT - S05 BONUS | Delve Deeper Into... Hillzy 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.080 I'm always always, sir. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:17.560 Be careful. 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.960 Love those umboo. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.720 Let We'll use your head. They will tear you up. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:36.000 Lack a purple talk. Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:36.960 oh no no no. 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:43.560 Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby. Welcome to its lay It. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.800 We're in a long distance friendship that started over twenty 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:48.600 years ago when we were in high school. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:53.200 We'll be talking about all things life, love, family, anything 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.160 and everything else under the sun. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:01:00.320 Delve deeper with us because in life, you know my layers. 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:08.000 Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Hello everybody, and 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.720 welcome to a brand new episode of its Layered podcast. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:12.440 Today. 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:16.319 We are very excited. We've got a special guest in 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:21.160 the build and we're gonna tell you a little bit 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:26.839 more about them. So we've got Hilsey born Hilary Chipunza 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:31.280 is one of Zimbabwean's most promising and exciting upcoming contemporary 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.600 urban musicians who has already built a dedicated following across 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:40.000 the globe using his unique voice, poignant lyrics and captivating 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.760 vulnerability that's for sure. In twenty seventeen, Hilsey had a 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.520 breakout year when he released Murora, an Impassion and stripped 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:52.000 down love ballad that dominated radio and streaming platforms todate. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.000 The song is known as one of Zimbabwe's quintessential wedding songs. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:02.120 After releasing his commercially acclaimed Sicana EP, which we loved 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.559 and which we shouted out on this podcast featuring chat 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:10.000 topping collaborations with Shasha and Jimmy Griffiths, Hilsey continued to 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:14.440 tour and perform within and out of Zimbabwe. After the 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.360 success of Tisicana. Hilsey has now just released his latest EP, 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.880 in the Building. Welcome to it Laid Podcast. Hilsey, you're 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.560 in the building and our is laid podcast Building. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.480 We're great, Thank you so much for being here. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.160 You have say it's hell in the building. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.360 If anything el say in the building, that's you know 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:43.280 tagline anytime you sung the song. Yeah, we're so stoked 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.760 to have you as fans of your music and your work, 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:52.160 ethic and everything you're currently up to. Anyone who knows 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.920 the in the building the anthem for us. I think 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.040 Amanda and I were talking about it earlier before we 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:09.000 started recording. Narrow is our anthem for the people. 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:12.480 Jes listen to it. 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.040 So before we get all into you know the music 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.959 and all that. We just wanted to say, Hilsey, who 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.040 is Hilsy? How would you describe yourself or how would 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.679 those closest to you describe you? 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.959 So Hill was he's an artist during the night, I 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.360 would say, in a producer, and then during the day, 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.160 I am an iOS developer. Sorry, I make apps for 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.480 like iPhones. That's that's what I did, like for school. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.480 I'm also into a little bit of farming. I help 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.800 my parents there out there farm. But yeah, essentially that's me. 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.440 The closest to me actually call me mister Massin. So 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.600 if you ever hear anything that says this is a 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:58.920 mister Massine production, I actually composed. So yeah, that's that's 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.760 pretty much who he is. I'm ah, it's kind of busy. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.520 If I'm not at the farm, I'm here like recording, 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.000 or if I'm not here then you know, I'm on 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:13.000 my computer making apps. But yeah, that's that's really about me. 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:19.080 Wow, talk about faceated in all ways, Like, yeah, I 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:23.440 studied computer engineering at u ce T, if I'm not mistaken. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:36.800 Yeah, yeah, we saw the reference to long streets like yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.000 But yeah, I was I was at uc T and 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.640 that's when pretty much like the whole hills my career started, 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.520 I would say, because I was fresh out of high school, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.479 I went to send Faith it's a mission screen recabbict 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.400 uh and most of the time it was just like 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.599 corel stuff, you know, like choir Stretcher Union. And I 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.480 always had a dream of, like, you know, I want 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.240 to buy myself like a microphone. So I pretty much 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.680 bought like the you know, your modern day podcasters set 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.920 up like a young my condenser. And then I started 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.520 just watching YouTube videos. So it's like it's either I'm 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.520 in lectures or you know, like I'm playing around with 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.839 the computer. So by the time twenty seventeen, I was 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.360 actually I actually I was graduating years. So that's when 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.640 I came up with Mura. And yeah, ever since, like 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.200 pretty much people you know started recognizing me for like 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.160 the music kind of thing. But yeah, that's wonderful. 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:27.360 Shout out to the suspect. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:28.760 That's where my mom's from. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.920 What I do, what I do. How would you describe 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:35.119 your own journey to music? 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.919 I mean, you spoke about being in recapent honing, but 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.960 since when Murroa came out to now, what has that 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:43.080 journey been. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:48.240 Like, Yo, it's been a roller coaster because what's crazy 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:53.359 is what people are seeing now is what I was 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:57.119 seeing myself in twenty sixteen. So it's like I've been 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:58.799 trying to paint this picture. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:05:59.039 You know. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.760 It's like, Yo, I'm this guy. You know, this is 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.039 what I'm trying to do or where I'm trying to 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.920 be at. So if anything, it's it has been such 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.400 a rollercuster because sometimes you feel like, okay, fine, some 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.640 people get it, but for the most of it, people 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.000 you know, don't really get or they're not really seeing 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.560 the vision. So it's it really has had its ups 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.919 and downs. But I'm just so grateful that, you know, 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:29.039 in life, any form of like success comes with like consistency. 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.440 There's no one who is successful in life who's not consistent. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.200 So I'm just grateful I was consistent through and through, 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.719 you know, and I can't really say I've made much 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.640 or I've made much here. This is really like the beginning. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:43.960 But a lot of people give up when they don't, 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.280 you know, get something in return. So I'm just grateful 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.479 that for me, it was like Jim, you know, you 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.640 do it like every day. It's like food, Yeah, you 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.360 eat food every day, So I'm just at the consistency 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.480 pretty much, you know, helped me. But you know, I cannot, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.919 I honestly can not like describe all the feelings like 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:03.839 in one way or I can just say it's in 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.400 a road and coster, you know. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.760 and I'm truly grateful for the journey. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.360 Yeah yeah, that's really really dope, And I think it 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.200 seems to be a thing that I keep hearing more 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.080 and most like, if you want to do something, you've 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:17.520 got to be consistent. 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:18.800 Even when people don't. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:23.200 See the vision or where you're headed. How was it 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.080 like in terms of your family and friends, were they 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.240 supported from jump or how did that dynamic work out 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:30.880 for you in wanting to do music? 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.320 So from a friend's perspective, I think my friends already 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.480 knew that. Like I was a music head, used to 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.600 know like all the latest songs that were out, you know, 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.400 like and then when I slowly recorded my first first song, 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.400 I think it was like FOLM full back, you know, 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.280 like after writing exams, everyone wants to do something, and 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.360 I was like, I'm going to record my best single. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.520 So people pretty much were like, now we're rooting for you. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.440 But at a whole. Obviously, it was something that's so 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.480 foreign because like my dad is a doctor with a provasion, 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:03.320 and he was just like, not the books. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.000 My bands. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.360 And I beg in the day. In the day, like 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.800 he used to say, I could buy you any kind 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.160 of textbook, no matter how expensive it is, as opposed 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.440 to buy and you like, say like a PlayStation. You know, 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.240 That's that's how hard he was like with education. So 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.520 to me, it was like, okay, fine, I'll do this. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.240 I'll do the education side of things, and then later 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.560 on I'll get to do what I you know, what 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.920 I want. So after a levels, that's when I was like, 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.400 I even he wanted me to go and study medicine 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.839 and use it. But at the back of my head, 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:40.720 I was like, nah, if I stay close to him, 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:42.800 I feel like I'm not going to expand you know 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.360 in terms of like music or just be myself and 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.280 find myself. So that's how I thought, to, you know, 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.440 go study computer science Cape Town. And that's when I, 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.320 you know, essentially like built everything up so here and 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:57.880 there they would hear. People would be. 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:06.200 Like I want to ask, and I just brushed it off, 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.760 just brushed it over. I'm like my dad will be 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:14.240 like what it is and I'm like a oldes you know, 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:19.800 you're just so it was really hard until I think 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.000 I released a mine. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.360 So when I released her, my came back to ZIM 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.839 for a holiday and then a lot of like you're 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.120 like you sounding so sweet or whatever, and then my 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.760 mom hadn't actually listened to the song, and she listened 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.120 to it. She cried. She literally cried, and I was 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.960 just like, Okay, maybe you might be onto something. So 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.800 my mom was lokly tolerating at that point. And then 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.520 I'll say after and now mura, I actually I have 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.200 my dad in the music video. My mom as well, 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:50.559 so they knew I was doing it like low key. 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.280 But one day I just ended up picking up the 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.880 core and I'm like, yo, I'm doing this music video 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.760 and can you please come there with the farm. They're 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.920 like okay, to do giars thin and I'm like yes, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.320 it's just it's just come through. So I think that's when, 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.000 And that was twentish seventeen when they also knew I 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.120 was graduating, So I think that's when I got like 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.320 the official stem from my from my parents, but everyone 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.760 else was upproving. But ever since then when I also 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.360 got that low key parents or blessing. You know, that's 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.920 when the music also really started, like you know, doing 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.200 around and so now now and then I'm being like 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.920 earrands with my mom. People are just like hey, I'm chatting, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.960 you know, like every day. She's also like, yeah, I 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:36.079 greet them back, you know. 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.800 Shout out to your parents real. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:48.920 For sure. We've spoken about this in other episodes, right, Amanda, 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:52.240 about parents and like how it's I think it's really 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:57.080 hard for especially African parents to grasp that we have 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.440 dreams different to what they thought should be our dreams. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:05.600 You know, it's it's changed. Yeah, you know, I would. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.439 I saw this on Twitter one day where like, you know, 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.959 girls are just sharing the experiences, say when they got 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:16.480 pregnant versus like let's say they were not married, and 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.920 then to a point where now like then versus now, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.720 and then it's like the parents are so inseparable with 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:29.920 their grandchildren. They were so you know. But so I 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.600 feel like it was the same with my journey because 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.880 now when I'm out and I'm with my dad, he 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.360 is like, okay, I'm doctor Shipunza and then all of 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:45.559 a sudden goes rooms here but at first, but at 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.480 first amount of friction that was there, you know, So 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.280 I to add on to that, it's a hundred percent. 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.400 I think our parents have like the best for us, 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:55.800 and sometimes the best for us is and what they 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.240 really envision the vision. 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.160 Yeah, yeah, so you've just pretty much answered what I 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:03.320 was gonna ask you next. 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.640 What has it taken for you to make it this far? 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.200 And you know, it sounds like with parents obviously there 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.000 was that journey as you just described, But what do 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.960 you think personally you've had to sacrifice to make it 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.640 this fansim Babblian music scene. 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:21.640 I think I've sacrificed a lot of time. I don't 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.440 really I'm not really outgoing. So the music is out there, 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.840 but it's for me. It's either like I'm in the 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.760 studio or you know, I'm working on something else or 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.200 even like so, I think another thing that attributes to 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.440 my life being busy is I'm an only child. So 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.840 you can imagine being an only child and your parents, 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.600 don't you They're scared you might you know, not make 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.280 it in school or like in the music scene as well. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.840 So the pressure has always been like at the back 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.959 of my head and also like just showing a culture. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:52.760 You know, people are just like being persantly like nah, 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.280 you're the only one you need to fight, you know, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.160 that kind of thing. So I think I've really sacrificed 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.360 like a lot of time, like in the like in 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.360 the music, like you're saying when you say like quality. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.760 So I think what differs, what differentiates me from other 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.360 artists is I think a lot of people have like 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.400 say seven people working on their music, Like they go 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.640 and recorded someone studio and then someone mixes it and 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:19.040 masters it. For me, it's like everything like beats I record, 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.920 you know, I pretty much do everything in house, which 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.680 has helped me as well because it's like it has 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.040 maintained the vibes and the ethic as well. But I'm 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.200 also getting to a point where I also want people 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.240 who share the same vision, who are also as hardworking 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.880 as I am, you know, pretty much like help me 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.640 out with the work. So I do have like a 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:44.040 few friends like a beatsmith we were also together, ucity, 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.000 but you also make some of my beats and you 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.240 master some of my stuff. I also trust him, So 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.800 I would say I think the journey is really just 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.959 you know, I've sacrificed so much time, even sometimes when 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.880 friends are like yo, he was in Google you know 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.360 December from Disember. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:07.199 No, you know, you know, like. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.600 But yeah, I think that's for me. That's like the 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:13.600 biggest sacrifice. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.360 Yeah, but you know what, it's so commendable, Hillsy. You 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.480 are honing your craft. Yes, you are knowing your music 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.920 through and through and you can't you know, people say 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:26.880 it takes what ten thousand hours? What is it to 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:31.320 because you are literally putting that work and that time. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.560 In and it shows. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.640 It's evident, you know, So don't knock yourself, can descend, 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:37.240 can wait? 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.160 You know, and you can hear it. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:44.880 And we were talking about how we can listen to 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.680 your music top to bottom, like we listen body of 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.720 works are a body of work that you can just 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.640 listen to, and not even the biggest artists out there 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.920 are like, not many are able to pull that off, Charanty, 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:04.560 you know. And also it definitely definitely shows. And you've 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:09.480 also collaborated with some heavy weights, you know, Shasha Gemma, 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:15.360 friend of the podcast and recently been featured on BBC Africa. Firstly, 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.640 I would like to know who are your musical inspirations 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.320 and then what is your dream collaboration if you were 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.200 able to. 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:28.840 To say okay, so by So, I listened to a 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.440 lot of Chris Brown. I listened to hip hop. Let's 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.360 just say hip hop. So two thousand and eight hours 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:38.640 in form damn. That's that's a long time ago. I 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:43.040 was in porn four yearn for and the crazy was 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:46.320 just you know, Chris Brown and a Beyonce you know, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.200 Rick Cross. That that year of music for me. I 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.720 think I still think that that's like the epic sound, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:54.960 you know, like I feel like all these other like 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.920 songs that are coming out now are just really rooting 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.560 from that year. So a lot of Chris Brown, a 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.120 lot of Drake low Wayne sometimes when it comes to 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.520 just like writing, you know, like saying you know, smart things. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.600 But mostly right now because Drake and Chris Brown are 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.560 still releasing, I listen to them. Then, Like in Africa, 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.560 I listened to Blackie, I listened to Nasty See, and 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:21.240 then locally I listened to like underground artists. I listened 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.240 to Young mccannie. I listened to another kid called Simdom. 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:28.560 But if you literally just listen to the whole catalog, yeah, 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.440 that's pretty much where I get, Like my sound in 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.120 my inspiration from. But back in the day when I 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.680 was growing up, my mom used to listen to a 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.240 lot of Two Group and a lot of Ciboma Cabani. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.280 So there's also like a lot of gospel that's that 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:46.080 is bagged, you know, like my music as well. So 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.440 it's a bunch. But now I'd say for me, it's 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:53.840 Drake and Chris Brown, and the goal honestly is to, yeah, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.800 I just have a song with Chris Brown. I don't know. 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:02.160 Yeah, well, Chris be loving as Africa's I will say, 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.199 we can manefest that for you. 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.480 It's gonna ask manifest for sure, for sure. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:08.320 Yeah. 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.280 And I also when I when I've been recording or 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:15.159 like composing, my aim has always been to like I 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.359 remember as far as like I was in high scrub, 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.240 like how do I make my song or my voice 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.680 sound you know, like this urban song it wasn't really 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:28.439 about you know, I'm a rapper and I'm gonna make 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.200 it beyond that. It was like the quality you guys 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.240 are speaking of, Like I'm so I would rather sing 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:38.160 crap and having like thequality I want someone to like say, 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.520 playing American song and then if they press next it 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.159 needs to be seamless with you know, like with my 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.680 song Heal this song. So that's what I've been pushing for, 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:52.920 like you know, beyond like just the message. So yeah, 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.840 those guys or say just La inspires me a lot, 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.040 like in terms of like music, because I just think 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:04.040 that's that's like the end again. So yeah, hopefully I'll 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.040 beat there. I mean, right now I'm speaking to Chris 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.520 Brown's producer. He's actually been sending me beats, so we're working, 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.800 but it's almost like I'm just one person away, and 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.600 I just hope like to be like, hey, I see you. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.919 But yeah, it's only a matter of time and and 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.359 I honestly just trust the process. I'm just going to 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.000 keep doing me because that's what I've been doing, you know. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.560 So yeah, the key I think that is seriously the key. 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.880 Do you do you enjoy touring, playing at live shows, 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.800 meeting your fans. I know you said you like to 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:36.600 keep yourself, but I'm sure when it comes to your 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.800 music you do enjoy out there. 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:49.960 I'm being like, I'm such I'm such an introvert, right, 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:55.280 And what's wild is when you meet someone you don't 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.360 you don't know where the you specifically is coming from 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.119 which song and what message do they like, what do 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.720 they perceive you as like in that moment in time. 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.560 So it's a bunch of reactions from a bunch of people, 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.360 all at the same time. So sometimes I get I hell, 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.960 get overwholm because I'm also that kind of a person 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.760 who if I get to a place, I want to 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.879 speak to everyone. If someone says quite neany quite mean, 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.800 I want to be there. But you're like, man, I 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.240 honestly can't be there for you know, all of you guys. 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.840 So yeah, but the moments that I cherish the most 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.199 are so sometimes like I said, I'm into farming. I 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.760 help my parents, so sometimes don't want to know my industry. 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.000 You know, two more in Downtown getting like my parts 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:43.080 and then you were like, you know, like one of 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.480 the ones. I love those because like we can have 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:50.880 a full orverisation without people disturbing or when it shows 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.840 it's a different thing all together. I do love the 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.200 you know, the tension or at least like the feedback. 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.439 You know, people are happy because you're seeing you're doing something, 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:10.400 So yeah, I love that. But yeah, and then yeah, 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.040 I just need to do what I do on stage leander, 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.359 but once once I get on stage as well, you know, 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.520 when you just have something kicking, it's like diving into water. 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.119 At first, you know, could dive and then all of 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.439 a sudden, once you dive, you're in there. So that's 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.679 what always happens. I'm so nervous before I get on stage. 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.440 I'm like, any go over, you know, like the nerve 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.040 pone just goes, or if people just start wearing bottles, you. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.119 Know, but nerves and nerves are good. People say nerves 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:45.600 are good. 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:50.000 Nerves show you care, so it's it's it's good. It's 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.440 a good thing, and buse you hone them and still, 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:53.720 you know, do your show. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:58.520 Yeah, okay, it's And I think one thing also that 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.480 I forgot to mention was so most of these things, 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.440 or the music, I was in Cape Town because I 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.240 have more of an online presence than a public you know, presence. 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:13.879 So when I got back to ZIM, it was also 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:15.800 like so different because in Cape Town, I was just 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.560 like a normal you know, developer, wake up, do it. 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.000 But you know it's so different. You know, I can't 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:27.960 do that anymore. And I so it's I I've definitely adjusted, 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.720 but I'm not yet there you know where I can 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.240 be like, ah, this is me, you know, because all 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:36.879 the time it's it's going to be someone And I 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.639 love it because people share their personal stories. So some 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.240 of them like you use I'm a fan actually so 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.840 yeah as a proposer or so yeah, you know, it's 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.639 it's those old gems that then help me and be 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:51.760 like ah, if I get back in the studio, I'm like, 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.400 I know who I'm doing this for. Beyond me, it's 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.440 someone also the people that I inspire in like different ways. 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:02.359 Yeah, that's a perfect segue because then I wanted to 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:05.000 ask you what you want those who listen to your 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:08.320 music to ganer most from listening to your music? So 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.760 what do you want people to receive from it? Seems 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.960 like you're making your music, you know your audience, you 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.120 know who you're making it for. What do you want 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.520 them to take away when they listen to your music? 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.360 But that's that's that's a deeper question to. 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:23.639 Be Yeah, we dont deeper. 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:28.680 Yeah yeah there. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:35.119 Well, So for me, I just want people to know 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:39.360 that there's a real and authentic music or like authentic connections. 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:43.119 You can genuinely connect with people through music because there 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:47.040 are people who like, let's say, so Jakari. So, I 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.240 don't know if you guys know about Jakari, but Jakari 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:54.800 is like g Isy's producer is actually yes, so he's 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:58.239