WEBVTT - The prank call that changed Aussie radio 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.640 Just a heads up. Today's episode contains discussion of suicide 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.160 and distressing themes. It might not be for you, so 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.240 feel free to skip ahead. Or if you or anyone 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.280 you know needs help, Lifeline is available for twenty four 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.160 to seven support on thirteen eleven fourteen. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.599 Already, and this is the DAILYA. 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:20.520 This is the dalyi OS. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.200 Oh, now it makes sense. 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.040 Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.199 the tenth of July. I'm Emma Gillespie. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.040 I'm Sam Kazlowski, a former. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.640 Radio host, is taking legal action against his ex employer 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.400 over a twenty twelve pranc call controversy that made global headlines. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.600 Michael Christian is suing Southern Cross Ostereo, claiming he wasn't 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.440 supported through the fallout of an on air segment that 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.800 led to tragic consequences. Today, we're going to explain what 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.120 happened in twenty twelve, everything about this prank phone call 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.160 and the fallout, as well as the legal action that 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.480 is now underway, and what Christian is alleging about his 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:07.959 treatment at sea. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:14.800 Emma, it's hard to believe that this story goes back 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.480 more than a decade, thirteen years before we get into 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.360 the specifics of what happened and why we're talking about 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.880 it this week. Give us a sense of the broader 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.160 commercial radio landscape back then in twenty twelve. Yeah, you 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:29.160 and I are in near twelve. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:30.520 We were in near twelve, ging. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.839 A sense of what the radio sounded like and felt 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:33.480 like at that time. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.920 Yeah, this was really a time of shock jock culture. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.720 And if it feels like Australian commercial radio is still 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.360 in that place, trust me when I say it is 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.959 a vastly different world now and largely because of the 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.320 case we're going to talk about today, but particularly on 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:55.240 breakfast radio and commercial drive, prank calls were a staple 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:59.120 of programming, really really common. You would hear prank calls 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.120 on every major network all the time. They were designed 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.720 to kind of generate controversy and buzz, and the early 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.320 twenty tens twenty twelve included, really represented this kind of 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:15.160 peak period for controversial radio contents. So shock jock culture 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.040 hosts trying to push the boundaries, and networks like Southern 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:23.079 Cross Ostereo were kind of often focused or you could 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.239 often hear them trying to carry out these high profile stunts. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.520 So the regulatory environment as well, at the time was 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.320 less stringent, and in fact, the prank call we're discussing 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:37.480 today never would have happened in other places where regulations 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.280 were tighter, like the US, where actually anyone is required 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.800 to give their consent before their voice is broadcast. But 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:46.440 that gives you a little bit of a sense of 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.280 what things were like here in Australia. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.800 I think the other really interesting element about this time 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:56.000 period was the rapid rise of Facebook and this growing 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:00.680 idea and this growing sense that these stuff could actually 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.880 have a life of their own on social media after 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.399 they were broadcast. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.200 Really nascent social media stages. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.800 Yeah, yeah, I can almost kind of picture the news 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.240 feed of when these stunts really went viral. So that 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.919 was the environment when the twenty twelve incident occurred. Take 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:16.799 me through the incident itself now, yeap. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:21.160 So where in December twenty twenty twelve, when Michael Christian 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:25.080 and his co host mel Greg were working on todayfm's 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.760 Summer thirty program. So it was a summer broadcast, it 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.360 was going through the biggest hits of the day and 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.600 the radio station in question, TODAYFM, that we're talking about, 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.520 was specifically a Sydney broadcaster, but it's part of the 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.960 Southern Cross Austereo Network. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.640 Which is a publicly listed company. It's a serious. 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.920 Player, massive company, and we'll refer to it as SEA 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.640 throughout the rest of the episode. But on the fourth 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:53.440 of December, this radio duo made a prank call to 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.320 a London hospital. Now important context for the time is 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.760 that Princess Catherine Kate Middleton you might know her as, 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.920 was receiving treatment for her first pregnancy. So there was 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.640 all this kind of global media interest in what was 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.440 happening with her pregnancy. The child that she would have 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.480 eventually was George, but she had been hospitalized and was unwell. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.960 This radio duo, Michael Christian and mel greg impersonated Prince 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.680 Charles and Queen Elizabeth on a phone call to the hospital. 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.240 So these two hosts put on these broad British accents 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.200 call up the hospital, and the hospital staff actually believed 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.240 they were speaking two members of the royal family, right, yes. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.520 So what we know from the hosts leading up to 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.000 and after this is that they never expected that they 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.200 would get past the switchboard of the hospital, that their accents, 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:48.240 in their opinions, were not convincing, and that it was 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.080 all just a bit of silliness, but it went wrong 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.880 very very quickly, so two hospital members ended up being 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.040 deceived by the call. So the person who answered it 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.920 and then transferred to a nurse, and and that nurse, 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:06.240 the second nurse, revealed private details about Princess Catherine's condition. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:11.039 The call, importantly was not broadcast live, but it was 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.240 later aired by sea, so the network did decide to 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:18.599 go ahead with running it. Very tragically, just three days later, 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.919 one of those nurses, her name is Jacintha Saldana, she 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.520 died by suicide. Now Saldana is not the nurse who 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.960 disclosed the patient information to the hosts, but she is 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.279 the nurse that transferred the call to an on duty 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.160 nurse on the Duchess's hospital ward and. 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.560 So very quickly this event had a global audience and 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.479 was making news all over the world. Let's go to 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.240 the reaction from the Royal family and the UK media. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.279 Yes, so two very very different responses here. Will start 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.240 with the Royal family. It was notably very restrained in 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.440 its response. Its response was centered around compassion. A statement 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.000 from the Royal family at the time said their Royal 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.720 Highnesses were looked after so wonderfully well at all times 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.279 by everyone at the King Edward the Seventh Hospital, the 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.119 hospital where Kate was being treated. Their thoughts and prayers 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:16.400 are with Jacyntha's family, friends and colleagues at this very 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.200 sad time. So that response was really focused on the 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.960 care that the duchess received. The UK media reaction, though, 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.920 was markedly different. I'm sure our listeners are very familiar 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:31.480 with the tabloid culture over there. It is cutthroat, completely 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.240 different worlds to here. In Australia. The Telegraph one of 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.039 the tabloids. They're essentially accused the Aussie radio hosts of 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:43.640 scamming the hospital. The Mail Online wrote of this palace 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.680 fury at the Australian radio pranksters. It described them as 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.320 and The Sun suggested that the hosts had quote flirted 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.719 with a charge of high treason by posing as the Queen. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.719 So you have this situation where a prank call goes 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:03.560 horribly wrong yep, and then a massive fallout both for 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.159 staff at the hospital and then the broader media landscape 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.440 all around the world. What was the response like as 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:14.560 that was unfolding from the two hosts and their employer. 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:18.240 In a word, shattered, Christian and Greg did a series 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.000 of interviews at the time after the death of the nurse, 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.720 and you can see it on their faces. They were 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:28.920 incredibly distressed by what came to happen from what was 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:33.720 meant to be a silly prank. They said, they were shattered, gutted, heartbroken. 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.200 The duo apologized, but they did maintain and they have 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.440 continued to maintain over the years since, that the decision 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.000 to air the call was not up to them, that 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.400 senior decision makers at SEA were the ones that pushed 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.440 for the segment two go to air. The incident, as 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:54.440 you said, made global headlines. There was significant backlash and 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.120 most of that, it should be said, was directed at 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:57.679 the hosts. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.400 And it's pretty fair to say that neither host has 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.960 worked in professional radio since. Right. 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.360 Well, it might surprise you actually to know that one 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.040 of them continued to work for SCA right up until 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:09.920 this year. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.080 Okay, well, I want to talk about that in a 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.160 sec Why don't we go to the regulators now. So 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.400 you did say at the top that it was a 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.920 different regulatory landscape than it is on commercial radio today, 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.680 but there was still some investigation and reporting based on 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:25.320 what happened. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:29.200 Yeah, there were a series of investigations from the regulatory 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.199 perspective and to see if there was any criminal wrongdoing. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.960 So the media watchdog, that's the Australian Communications and Media 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.959 Authority or AKMA, it found that the station Today FM 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.720 breached its broadcasting license by airing the call. Now these 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.320 findings might sound quite firm or serious, but they didn't 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:54.760 actually lead to any kind of tangible penalties. For SCA, 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:59.040 it was confronting the threat of losing its broadcast license, 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.360 so that can zone did loom large over these inquiries, 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.800 but ultimately AKMAR ruled that it would not take away 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.720 its broadcast license. But the aftermath of this that is 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.360 not written in a black and white regulation is that 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:18.520 broadcasters changed their approach because they were so rattled, jarred, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:22.000 scarred by what had happened from this call. So immediately 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:26.400 kind of prank calls became a massive taboo in commercial radio. 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.440 There was a coronial inquest in the UK into Saldana's 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.440 death right. It heard that she was left very upset 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.280 by the call, that she blamed herself in those days afterwards, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.240 and her husband told the UK in quest that the 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.320 forty six year old mother of two did not have 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.800 a history of mental ill health before her death. 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:46.760 So that's quite a serious ton of events. 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:47.040 Yep. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.600 Why are we talking about it this week? 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.440 So there is current legal action the cases back in 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:58.040 the headlines because Michael Christian, one of the radio duo 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.400 involved in the prank call, filed action in the federal court. Now, 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.520 as I mentioned earlier, that one of the hosts continued 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.400 working for SEA, So that's him. That was him. He 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.680 worked there until February this year. Mel greg actually left 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.880 the network shortly after the twenty twelve incident. Christian, though, 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.640 has now launched this legal action, alleging that he was 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.760 pressured into the prank call by the network. He claims 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.000 he became a scapegoat for the incident and that SCA 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:30.040 failed to support him during the intense period of backlash 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.120 that followed after Saldana's death and in the years of 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:37.000 inquiries and investigations that were subsequent. He also says that 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.160 this led to severe mental health issues and damaged his career. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.000 So is this happening in the context of like an 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:45.319 unfair dismissal case? 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.640 Essentially, yes, So it's an action in the federal court 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:53.400 under a fair work claim. So Christian was made redundant 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.719 in February of this year, but he argues that the 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.840 termination was not genuine. He says that Southern crossholl Stereo 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:05.720 still requires someone to perform his role, that it's being backfilled, 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.400 and so his lawyers claim that that dismissal is in 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.360 breach of the Fair Work Act because redundancies are meant 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.520 to be in place if the role someone's performing is 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:20.160 no longer required. That Christian says is not the case 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:21.480 with his dismissal, And. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:25.080 There's a lot of complicated law around how long the 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.079 position has to be empty for before a similar position 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.160 can be filled by the employer. Redundancy law takes up 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.400 a lot of the time of the Fair Work kind 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:39.719 of legal experts what specifically those Christian arguing about the 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.240 network's handling of the situation. Back in twenty twelve. 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.560 So, according to court documents seen by the Australian Associated Press, 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.880 Southern crosshold Stereo promised that it would support its hosts 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.160 through any controversies related to on air content. And I 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.640 suppose this speaks to the culture of twenty twelve radio 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.320 that a lot of stations were going for the kind 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.320 of shock value in their segments in the face of 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.600 kind of this uprising social media threat and people young 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.600 listeners especially kind of becoming disengaged. So hosts were made 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.160 to believe that they had the support of the network, 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.640 but Christian said, even though he really did believe SAA 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.880 would protect him, it instead let its presenters take the blame. 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.440 So that's really interesting because it's this sense of like 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.679 the executives, according to Christians, kind of saying to the hosts, 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:29.440 we know you're going to try some stuff on air 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.160 that's a bit red hot. Yeah, but we've got your back. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.360 Yeah, but go for it. And Christian says basically he 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.000 had no choice about the call going to air, that 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.839 it was not his decision to do the segment or 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.720 run the segment, but that the broadcaster wanted to do that, 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.080 and he thought that that meant that they would stand 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:51.319 by him. According to the AAP reporting on the court documents, 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.480 Christians lawyers have told the court that Southern Cross OS 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:58.960 Stereo Quote did not immediately take public accountability for the incident, 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.800 but rather allowed mister Christian and miss greg to be 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:07.160 left exposed to relentless public vitriol, harassment, and abuse, including 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:07.959 death threats. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.200 It's worth noting at the moment, those are all allegations 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.080 being leveled at the network. Have we heard from the 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.760 network in response to these? And also, I wonder if 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:19.559 we've heard from Mel Greg. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.160 Yeah, well I can answer both of those questions for you, Sam, 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.400 We have actually heard from SCA. I reached out and 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.840 a spokesperson got back to me and said, as the 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.160 matter is currently before the courts, and out of respect 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.760 for the legal process and the privacy of those involved, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.960 it would be inappropriate for us to comment at this time, 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.840 so kind of what we expect from a corporation during 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.720 ongoing legal proceedings. The matters are before the courts, so 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.680 there's not too much they can say right now. But 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.760 as for Mel Greg, we have also heard from her. 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.319 So she posted to her Instagram stories with a statement 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.720 saying she understands why her former colleague has chosen to 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.520 go down this path, and she said that she hopes 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.920 the continued attention on this tragic incident will lead to 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:06.040 quote substantial reforms in the way media produce content and 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.400 support their staff. She's been really candid over the last 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.320 decade about the impact this incident had on her mental health. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.640 She has not really worked in radio or in the 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.880 media industry in the same way since and really this 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:20.720 changed the course of her life. 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.280 Listeners to this podcast are very familiar with the fact 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.840 that these court cases can take some time. What happens 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:29.600 next here. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.280 Well, the matter is yet to appear before the court. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:36.040 We're in our very early stages of proceedings. Basically, all 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.120 we know is that Michael Christian and his team have 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.960 lodged a submission to sue SCA to the federal court. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:47.280 He is expected to seek compensation for economic loss and damages. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.680 Now that will be relating to the twenty twelve prank 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:53.400 call incident. That will be also relating to Sea's handling 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.960 of the fallout, and now this fair work claim of 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:01.480 unfair dismissal. It is worth noting that Melgreg filed similar 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:06.000 proceedings against the network in twenty thirteen, but she agreed 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.600 to a private settlement following mediation talks led by the 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.400 Fair Work Commission. So there is some precedent of fair 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:16.240 work negotiations between these two parties, the host and the network. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.520 We will never really know what happened in that settlement, 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.640 and even Melgreg, in her statement earlier this week, said 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.160 that she'll never really be able to talk about what happened, 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.480 but she does hope that some good comes from this 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:30.640 continued attention. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.160 A really tragic case that's had lasting impacts, and despite 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.120 wins or losses in the court, I don't think there 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.000 really are any winners from this situation. I just want 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.040 to reiterate that helpline number one more time. 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