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Speaker 1: Jam Mission with Jones and Amanda five two diet. If

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Speaker 1: you haven't heard of it, you've been living under a

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Speaker 1: rock and quite possibly eating them. The man behind it

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Speaker 1: is doctor Michael Moseley, a trusted journalist and a weight

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Speaker 1: loss expert who's now looking at the latest science behind

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Speaker 1: our fastest growing chronic disease, which is type two diabetes.

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Speaker 1: He's looking at this on a new show called Australia's

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Speaker 1: Health Revolution, Doctor Michael Moseley.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, hello, Hi there, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you. Can we start with this

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Speaker 1: For those that don't know, what's the difference between type

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Speaker 1: two diabetes and type one diabetes?

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Speaker 2: Well type so type two tenths come on at an

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Speaker 2: older age, typically in middle aged forties or fifties, unlike

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Speaker 2: type one, which affects people when they're younger, often in

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Speaker 2: their teams. And type two is very closely linked with

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Speaker 2: carrying a bit too much wheat around the waist a

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Speaker 2: spare tire. And unfortunately Australia is the fifth had the

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Speaker 2: fifth highest rates of a beastie in the world amongst

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Speaker 2: the developed countries. Number one is the US. New Zealand

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Speaker 2: is number three. You're number five. We're number six, and

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Speaker 2: that is also why you have such high rates of

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Speaker 2: type two diabetes, diabetes, because it's linked to that, and

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Speaker 2: unfortunately it's also linked with all sorts of horrible complications

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Speaker 2: if you get it.

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Speaker 1: You've always been known as a doctor and a scientist

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Speaker 1: who put you put your life on the line, you

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Speaker 1: put your body on the line. You've done that again here,

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Speaker 1: So tell us about what happened, what you put your

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Speaker 1: body through to see what happens to be able to

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Speaker 1: reverse type two.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so what I actually did is I put myself

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Speaker 2: on a fairly high ultra processed food diet, so that is,

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Speaker 2: eating a lot of the sort of factory made food

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Speaker 2: that you find in the supermarkets. It comes with lots

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Speaker 2: of in numbers, and going out for quite a few

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Speaker 2: sort of burghers on chicken and chips and.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're lucky.

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Speaker 2: Quite these are sort of foods I have not eaten

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Speaker 2: for a while. To start with, I thought, wow, great,

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Speaker 2: this is fantastic, and then I started to It got

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Speaker 2: me down. I started feeling a bit depressed. I wanted

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Speaker 2: to eat more of these things. That became a bit constipated.

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Speaker 2: I started. According to my wife Claire, I started to

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Speaker 2: snore loudly as I put on the weight. And I

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Speaker 2: put on about three kilos in a few weeks. Wow,

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Speaker 2: And I wasn't eating that stranger diet. It was about

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Speaker 2: Australian Typical Australian eats about half their food intake is

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Speaker 2: ultra processed food, and if you're a kid, it's more

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Speaker 2: like sixty or seventy percent.

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Speaker 3: So ultra process food that's things like sliced ham and

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Speaker 3: oven cheaps.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeahstically yeah, anything that's basically been made in a

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Speaker 2: factory and is kind of being flogged to you. As

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Speaker 2: I said, mainly it's got lots of numbers on the side,

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Speaker 2: lots of ingredients, and this is stuff which is relatively

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Speaker 2: new to human beings, which is why we find it

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Speaker 2: difficult to resist we eat more and more of the stuff,

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Speaker 2: but also why it is so profoundly bad for our health.

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of evidence that an ultroprocessed with

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Speaker 2: diet is kind of what's driving beastie rates in Australia

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Speaker 2: and around the world.

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Speaker 1: And so just in a couple of weeks, your body

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Speaker 1: showed signs of you know, well, it wasn't good for you.

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Speaker 1: And as you say, the story and the mood changes

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Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. So these are all

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Speaker 1: precursors to type two diabetes. What does the science tell

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Speaker 1: you about how we can pull back from that?

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Speaker 2: That sure? So what is very clear now is, as

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Speaker 2: I said, type two diabetes linked to having a large gut.

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Speaker 2: Best thing to do is to try and get rid

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Speaker 2: of the large gut. Best way to do that is

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Speaker 2: with a rapid weight loss diet. There's been a lot

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Speaker 2: of studies in the UK and they're rolling out a

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Speaker 2: program now to treat people with type two diabetes by

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Speaker 2: getting them to try and lose about ten percent of

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Speaker 2: their body weight. So, for example, ten years ago I

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Speaker 2: was told I had type two diabetes. I invented the

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Speaker 2: five two diet US around nine kilos in about eight weeks,

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Speaker 2: and my bloodhoyes went back to normal, which is where

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Speaker 2: they've stayed ever since. So what we're doing on the series,

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Speaker 2: I've joined up with Ray Kelly, who's an exercise physiologist

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Speaker 2: based here in Australia and he also has already been

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Speaker 2: doing these rapid weight loss programs with the indigenous population.

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Speaker 2: He's also Indigenous and he's had great success in helping

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Speaker 2: people reverse their diabetes. So what we got we got

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Speaker 2: together and there were eight Ozzies who are on the

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Speaker 2: trail with us, and that's what the series is about.

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Speaker 2: It's partly about me making myself ill and then making

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Speaker 2: myself better, and it's mainly about trying to help these

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Speaker 2: eight ossies get rid of their type two diabetes and

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Speaker 2: return to a sort of healthy, normal life. And the

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Speaker 2: challenges really, can they do it? Can they stick to it?

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Speaker 2: And you get to love these people because they're very funny,

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Speaker 2: they're kind of full of weight and warmth, but they

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Speaker 2: do have this sort of review know, disease hanging over them.

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Speaker 2: And we know that at least a million Aussies half

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Speaker 2: type through diabetes. Another half million have it but don't

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Speaker 2: know they've got it. And then there are about one

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Speaker 2: in three of the age of forty who probably got

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Speaker 2: pre diabetes. So it is unbelievably common and unless you

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Speaker 2: knock it on the head quickly, it gets worse and worse.

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Speaker 3: Man oven chips, I just love chips.

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Speaker 1: At a minute.

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Speaker 2: You heard of hip and I.

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Speaker 3: Always look at othern chips and they said, well, they're

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Speaker 3: not deep fried chips, they're oven chips, you know. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: it might be better.

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Speaker 2: You'd be better off, basically slightly up the potato.

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Speaker 3: I knew you were going to say that. I made

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Speaker 3: a bet with.

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Speaker 2: Myself olive oil.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm going to do that better for you. You can

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Speaker 3: catch Australia's Health Revolution tonight at seven thirty on SPS

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Speaker 3: Doctor Michael Mosley, thank you for joining us, Thank you,

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Speaker 3: thank you, Say later

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