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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the.

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Speaker 1: Time poor parent who just wants answers. Now, I think

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Speaker 1: our parents were right. It was the damn phones. We laughed,

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Speaker 1: and we were children hearing it's that snap graminance to

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Speaker 1: chat and face talk. They didn't understand. They couldn't even

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Speaker 1: They didn't know what it was like, having a world

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Speaker 1: to the tip of our fingers. We scrolled through the

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Speaker 1: trash so much. We have headlines tattooed on our skin,

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Speaker 1: wires for veins, ai for a brain. And they may

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Speaker 1: not have understood, but they were right. It is the

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Speaker 1: damn phones. A drug in my pocket dependent on simulation.

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Speaker 1: But can we blame us? We were but children when

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Speaker 1: they were given. We didn't know how to stop it.

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Speaker 1: If I had it up, all the hours I spent

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Speaker 1: on a screen, existential dread and regret would creep in.

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Speaker 1: So I ignore this fact by typing away. And it's

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Speaker 1: not like I can throw away my phone. It's how

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Speaker 1: we communicate, it's how we relate. It's the medicine that

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Speaker 1: is surely making our souls die. I used to say

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Speaker 1: I was born in the wrong generation. But I was

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Speaker 1: mistaken for do I not do everything I say? I

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Speaker 1: hate When I look in the mirror, I see a

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Speaker 1: I would be without technology. The character behind my phone

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Speaker 1: screen has become self aware, almost worse than being naive.

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Speaker 1: Or I know it's poisoned, but I drink anyways. We

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Speaker 1: used to be scared of robot scanning consciousness, so live

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Speaker 1: by the media companies to keep us distracted. Has not

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Speaker 1: ourselves become conscious of the mess that they have created.

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Speaker 1: We are the robots, we are the products. And so

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Speaker 1: I sit and I scroll, and I rot and repeat,

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Speaker 1: Sit and scroll and rot until my own thoughts or

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Speaker 1: what's being fed to me on TV, until my own

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Speaker 1: feelings are wrapped in celebrities, until my body is a

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Speaker 1: tool of my political identity. And so I sit and

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Speaker 1: I scroll, and I rot, And so I post on

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Speaker 1: the Internet how the Internet has failed us, that I

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Speaker 1: may not fail my Internet presence. I think our parents

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Speaker 2: That's Corey dot Jane's kr I dot j a n

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Speaker 2: ees on Instagram reels saying what's the damn phones? And

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Speaker 2: our parents were rot Hello This is doctor Justin Colson

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Speaker 2: today a special announcement on the Heavy Families podcast. We

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Speaker 2: are creating a movement the website Unplugged Childlihood dot org

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Speaker 2: unplug childhood dot org. Following in the footsteps of Professor

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Hate from New York University and his incredible wook

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Speaker 2: the Anxious Generation, We're starting to make some noise and

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Speaker 2: creating a movement. The goal is to get at least

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Speaker 2: twenty five percent of parents on board with this to

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Speaker 2: do some basic things that are going to make a difference,

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Speaker 2: really move the needle when it comes to your children

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Speaker 2: and their wellbeing. Unplugged Childhood dot org. If you are interested, then,

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Speaker 2: like so many other parents, you're aware that our children's

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Speaker 2: access to social media and devices is not in their

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Speaker 2: do about it. And so that's what this podcast, and

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Speaker 2: that's what this movement is all about. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: answer three simple questions for you. Number one, why does

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Speaker 2: it matter that we get screens and social media under control?

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Speaker 2: Number two, can we really unplug childhood? And number three,

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Speaker 2: how can we get everyone on board and really really

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Speaker 2: make change? I mean, for the last how many years

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Speaker 2: it's felt like walking uphill in a hurricane, maybe an

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Speaker 2: icy uphill in a hurricane. We can change this. Now

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Speaker 2: there is more movement, there is more enthusiasm. There's more

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Speaker 2: So let's start with why it matters. In recent years,

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Speaker 2: social media companies have been under the spotlight. I've talked

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Speaker 2: Mendacia CEOs this year. Dishonesty of the CEOs who have

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Speaker 2: failed to implement basic safety protocols that they actually have.

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Speaker 2: They know that kids are being harmed by their products.

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Speaker 2: Algorithms have been shown to push suicide vulnerable kids. We've

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Speaker 2: a never ending, ever present challenge, and we know that

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Speaker 2: recently from Parental Guidance Season two, where we've got kids

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Speaker 2: social media. That's why it matters, and that's why we

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Speaker 2: need this movement. That's why we need to unplug childhood

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Speaker 2: Unplugged Childhood dot org. In addition by the way as

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Speaker 2: a result of those problems and those concerns. Here's what

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Speaker 2: I'm proposing, and I'm so excited. I'm teaming up with

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of people. Their names are on the

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to mention any names right now. But

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Speaker 2: night and unplugged childhood. What does it mean, Well, we

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Speaker 2: don't let our kids drink alcohol before they're eighteen because

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Speaker 2: we know that it's unsafe and unhealthy. We don't let

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Speaker 2: But let's move beyond those kinds of things. We don't

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Speaker 2: working on a top down legislative approach to make social

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Speaker 2: completely support them. We need those laws, our kids need

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Speaker 2: it is questionable. It needs to be a commonwealth decision

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Speaker 2: but I think it might happen. So what's my focus.

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Speaker 2: It's called an unplugged childhood. Let's unplugged childhood? Once again

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Speaker 2: the website unplug childhood dot org. The deal when it

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Speaker 2: social media giants themselves, that our children should not be

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Speaker 2: on socials before thirteen. Now, that's nothing new, but too

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Speaker 2: many of us are not playing by the rules as parents,

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Speaker 2: because the kids come home and say, can I have Snapjake?

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Speaker 2: This isn't fair. What I want to highlight here is

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Speaker 2: not actually proposing anything new. If we don't play by

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Speaker 2: media accounts and they have smart phones. Folks, the house

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Speaker 2: don't want to say that the eighties and nineties or

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Speaker 2: And this is where it gets tricky. We need to

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Speaker 2: And so they're at least fourteen and preferably fifteen or sixteen.

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Speaker 2: with others often. And here's the third thing. When the

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Speaker 2: time comes for your kids to actually have devices, go slow.

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Speaker 2: able to push that even further and build effective boundaries

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Speaker 2: Those resources are all over unplugged childhood dot org. Number two,

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Speaker 2: and here's the best news of all. Twenty five percent

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Speaker 2: So we don't need everyone. We need twenty five percent

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Speaker 2: and the momentum will build from there. Join us and

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Speaker 2: help us unplug childhood and give our kids the play

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Speaker 2: based childhood they deserve. Unplugged childhood dot org. Sign the pledge,

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Speaker 2: there and make our kids' lives play based rather than

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Speaker 2: screen based. The Happy Famili's podcast is produced by Justin

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Speaker 2: Rowland for Bridge Media. Craig Bruce is our executive producer

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Speaker 2: Unplugged Childhood dot org. The website is in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: Have a great weekend. Let's get this conversation, Let's get

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