1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: Joining me live on the line is the Minister for Logistics, 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Infrastructure Transport, Bill Yan. He's also the Treasurer. 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: Good morning Bell, Good morning Katie, and burning to everybody 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 2: at the top end. 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: Hey, great to have you on the show. Bill. Before 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: we get into all the issues in your portfolios, I 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: do just want to ask, obviously the Chief Minister making 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: the announcement yesterday that the independent inquiry into recent senior 9 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: police recruitments is going to get underway. It needs to happen, 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: doesn't it. 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: Well, you've had a number of issues raised, of course, Kadie. 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: The Police Association of raise issues around possible recruitments since 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, so this is the opportunity to clear 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: the air on those recruitment issues. I really feel for 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: police in the last week or two there's been a 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: lot of I suppose mud throwin at them, and particularly 17 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: around the Executive of Police. So this is the opportunity 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: now for this review to go. I'll get underway around 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: that recruitment. So we've got Alan blow of course, you've 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: got no real connection to territory. You're a very professional man, 21 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: so he'll come in and do that review, and of 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: course his recommendations or whatever's in his review will of 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: course came back and be presented in Parliament. So it 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: gives the opportunity to deal with this issue, clear the 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: air on senior police and that recruitment since twenty twenty three, 26 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: So it will give our police a course, that opportunity 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: now to deal with this matter and to move on, 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: because they're doing a hell of a job at the moment, 29 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: I can tell you, Katie. I think we all know that, 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 2: and they need our support. And what's taken places, of 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: course casts some doubt in some areas. So it's the 32 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: opportunity to deal with that and it will be what 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: it will be at the end of the day. 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: And do you feel as though the chief that is 35 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: directed quickly enough? 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Katie. But there's what I suppose. I've worked in 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: a public sector for a long time, so I probably 38 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: have a little bit more knowledge than others. But you 39 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: have to work through these things in a methodical maner. 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: You just can't come out and make an off the 41 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: cuff comment or decision. There's ways that things have to 42 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: be dealt with, and of course the way the police 43 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: destructured too is a little bit like that. The judiciary 44 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: is that they actually sit outside of government, so the 45 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: government can't come in and mess with them, and it's 46 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: done for a very very specific purpose. So to work 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: through that to be able to do what the chiefiness 48 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: have done in relation to the Commissioner, to call for 49 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: his or or start to work towards his termination everything else. 50 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 2: You can't just come out and do that at the 51 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: drop of a hat. There are processes you have to 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: go through and that we had to do and it 53 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: takes Look, it took a couple of days to do that, 54 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 2: and that's moving pretty quickly. So that work has been done. 55 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: And now as far as the review goes, you can't 56 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: just come out and announce review without terms of reference 57 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: without actually finding somebody to do it. So again, that 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: takes a little bit of time to do and it's 59 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: all happened pretty quickly. 60 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: So let's move along to your portfolios and plans to 61 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: relocate the Casuarina Bus Exchange. They've been up for discussion 62 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: well for quite some time, but back on the table 63 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 1: again this week, the Northern Territory News reporting that discussions 64 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: have resumed around a potential relocation for the essential public 65 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: transport infrastructure with a new Northern Suburbs site on the table. 66 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: Where are we at with this and why does it 67 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: need to move? 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: You know, I'm still trying to figure out where this 69 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: one's come from. Katie. There's been no plans at all 70 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: from dly and of course the department I'm responsible for, 71 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: to move any bus exchanges and relocate them to other 72 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: suburbs in Darwin. There's an exceptional development permit up for 73 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: a transport terminal Lyana, but that's to do with the 74 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: Blue Taxi company in somewhere to garage these vehicles. So 75 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: someone's put two and two together and come up with 76 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: a thousand and then it's ended up on Fay Spoken. 77 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: So there's no plans. So there's actually no plans. There's 78 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: no plans to have the Casuarina bus exchange move to 79 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: that location. 80 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely not Katie. But what we are doing because we 81 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: know there's issues around the bus interchanges we've had, we 82 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: have social issues and all sorts of other issues in 83 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: the interchange. We're still having issues on our bus network. 84 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: I've tasked the department to go away and look at 85 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: a number of measures to deal with safety and anti 86 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: social issues on the buses. So they're working through at 87 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: the moment, and as part of that entire review, we're 88 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: actually looking at the bus into changes as a whole 89 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: on how we can deal with the issues that we 90 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: see on those interchanges. So that's part of the larger 91 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: piece of work that we're doing around safety for public 92 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 2: transport in Darwin. So I'm waiting for the department to 93 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: come back with some of that stuff. I said. We're 94 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: reviewing what those interchanges look like and even to the 95 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: fact do we actually need the inter changes? Are we 96 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: able to better schedule the buses? 97 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: I think. 98 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 2: Record, Yeah, that's. 99 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: A question people are starting to ask Bill, you know, 100 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: like they're sort of going, you know, I get it. 101 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: Maybe if if we're in Brisbane or Sydney or somewhere 102 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: like that. And I'm not saying that Darwin's you know, not, 103 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, not a capital city, that's not the point 104 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: I'm making. But if it is a haven for anti 105 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: social behavior, if it is actually quite intimidating when you 106 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: get off there, if you've got kids that are frightened 107 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: to get off there, do you need it? I mean, 108 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: can we just actually think outside the box and reschedule things? 109 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: Well, that's what we're as part of this review Katie. 110 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: And so there was some work done by CDC that 111 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: the bus operator last year, so they done't a review 112 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: into a number of things we had that I've read 113 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: that as well, and plus the work the department doing. 114 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: It rolls out on the buses again, I think on 115 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: Tuesday or Wednesday night a few weeks ago to get 116 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: another first hand look about what's going on, and I 117 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: wasn't happy with some of the stuff that I've seen 118 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: at all. What I will say though, was particularly drives 119 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: and of course the Transitsecurity Office. They're doing an absolutely 120 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: phenomenal job dealing with the day to day issues we 121 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: see on that bus network, and I've got to take 122 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: my hat off to them. But the way they're able 123 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: to deal with matters and deal with them in such 124 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: a way that doesn't create conflict de escalates the issues 125 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: that we're seeing there. I said, those staff are doing 126 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: a fantastic job and without them, we'd have more issues 127 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: on the bus network. So we're looking at everything like 128 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: some of the routes. We know we have issues at 129 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: certain times on some bus routes, and we have issues 130 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: with at the end of the day, we're drunks using 131 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: the bus network and causing problems for other passengers. There's 132 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: a whole piece of work underway at the moment to 133 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 2: look at how we deal with that. Again, it's I 134 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: wish I could snap my fingers and deal with it tomorrow, 135 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: but it's going to take a little bit of work. 136 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: But so Bill, by the sounds of what you're saying, 137 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: it is apps asolutely on the table that we may 138 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: just get rid of that bus exchange altogether. 139 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, if we can work out a way with 140 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: our scheduling and with the roots and bits and pieces, 141 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: we may not need those inner changes at all. So 142 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: I said, that piece of work is being done, and 143 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: if we can do that, we'll certainly move down that way. 144 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: And we've had some changes to CDC have moved their 145 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: base of operations, so that actually now works in our favor. 146 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: So we're working closely with the bus operator CDC to 147 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: look at how we may do all this are going 148 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: to provide a better network and provide better outcomes for travelers. 149 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: How quickly is that review going to be complete? 150 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: I don't really have a time frame at the moment. 151 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: We probably kicked this off well. The initial discussion started 152 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: quite some time ago, but the specifics in the safety 153 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: really ramped up after we've see those issues with the 154 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: drivers being at late last year. So we've got those 155 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: screens and all that work done to try and provide 156 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: that extra protection for the drivers. Now we're looking at 157 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: the next step, which is, okay, we've got that drivers 158 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: safe so they can operate the buses in the safe manner. 159 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: Now it's okay, what do we do for the passengers, 160 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: the people using their service and the people waiting to 161 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: catch those buses either at the inner changes or be 162 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 2: it bus stops. We've done a lot of reviews around 163 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: some bus stops to Katie, we've changed some of those. 164 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: We've actually removed a couple because we it was just 165 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: causing issues and we had bus stops close by. So 166 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 2: there's a lot happening here. 167 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: And the problem is we've still got really quite bad 168 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: anti social behavior when it comes to our buses. And 169 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: that's something that we've actually received quite a bit of 170 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: feedback about this week. We said that we're going to 171 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: have you on the show yesterday, and people were messaging 172 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: through and saying, Katie, you know, we've had terrible situations 173 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: on our buses. You know, I had one person getting 174 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: contact with me saying that their eighty year old friend 175 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: had been catching the bus network and apparently ended up 176 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: with scabies, you know, getting on that bus and felt 177 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: really unsafe, so now walks to be able to go 178 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: to the gym. You know. I've had Jody, who's a 179 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: friend of the show who is legally blind, get in 180 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: contact with me quite often to tell me about horrendous 181 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: things that have happened on the bus. And unfortunately, Minister, 182 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: it does seem as though sometimes then, you know, it 183 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: is like it's the more vulnerable, like the elderly and 184 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: children and and you know, those in the community who 185 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: need to use that bus network that are feeling like 186 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: they actually can't because it's not safe. 187 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: No, you're you're right CTUs that I've been on the buses, 188 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: I've seen it first and and okay, I'm a bloke, 189 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 2: so it probably doesn't matter so much for me, but 190 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: I certainly see it for some of those elderly people 191 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 2: and vulnerable people who use network network. The thing that 192 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: happened to them first end. And that's I said, we're 193 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: working on there's some technology that we're working on, and 194 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: we're working on with the drivers, and of course the 195 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: transit safety officers. Now, if we can get to a 196 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 2: point where we can reschedule the routes to do some 197 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: work and we don't need tho zeto changes, then all 198 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: of a sudden, that frees up some of our people, 199 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: the transit safety officers, to be more mobile beyond different networks. 200 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: We know the specific routes that we tend to have 201 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: more trouble on than others, so we're looking at those 202 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: specifically on what we can do to improve safety and 203 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: reduce that anti social behavior. So there's a lot of 204 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: work being done on this, and I really want to 205 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: try and get this tied it up and make it 206 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: make that network safer and easy to use for everybody. 207 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: But again, this is such a large piece of work, 208 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: but we definitely need to get in there and get 209 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: it done. 210 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: Well, is it time to reintroduce a fee for travel 211 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: so that you know, unfortunately, you know, like we need 212 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: to go Well, you know, you've got to pay to 213 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: come on and if you're not behaving in a certain way, sorry, 214 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: you're banned from the network. 215 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I've mean the whole fee schedules has been 216 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 2: in front of my mind for quite some time now 217 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: on what we do there. Bringing fares back creates its 218 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: own issues about collecting fairs, and it creates conflict for 219 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: the drivers trying to collect those fears, and then if 220 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: they handle cash then they become targets for thieves and 221 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: other piece. So it's a real delicate one that one. 222 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: But the specifically the banning of people, we've got to 223 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: really rent that up. When we know we have people 224 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: who are definitely causing issues. How the second part that is, okay, 225 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 2: if we trespass them, then the lad on the bus, right, 226 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: how do we then police that because that's very difficult 227 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: the moment. That's where we're trying to probably think about 228 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 2: some technology. But then the drivers can go, Okay, this 229 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: person is on the bus and shouldn't be right now, 230 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: how do I notifys a security or others that they 231 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: are on the bus and then actually deal with them 232 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: without putting a course of drivers in dangerous as well, 233 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: because if they get on the radio when someone's on 234 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: the bus, then they get targets. 235 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: It's a thing like isn't that a Paula That we're 236 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: literally in a situation in the Northern Territory where we're 237 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: not really looking at reintroducing fees because you've got some 238 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: in the community that then if they have to have 239 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: have to pay a fee, it could become a dangerous 240 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: or confrontational situation for the poor bus driver trying to 241 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: actually get payment from them. Like that's it blows my mind. 242 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 2: Bill, Well, that's one of the issues that the second 243 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 2: part about is the financial implication of being able to 244 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: collect the fees. And when we look at what we 245 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: had previously, we were paying nine hundred thousand, I believe 246 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: for the ticketing system that didn't work particularly well. Natural 247 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: revenue were getting back from them. I think it was 248 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 2: only one point three million. So we'll copy a lot 249 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: of grief for four hundred thousand dollars. And if I 250 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: can find a ticketing system that we could we could 251 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: implement that it's easy to use at a much much 252 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: cheaper cost, and of course we still retain that revenue. 253 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden it makes a lot more 254 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: sun and of course then it's it's becomes more profitable 255 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 2: at the end of the day. 256 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: Like surely when you look at the fact that every 257 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: other bus network in the world they've got, you know, 258 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: they can do this. Why are we why are we 259 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: struggling so badly with that. 260 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: I think part of our issue at the end of 261 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: the day, Kadi is was, Okay, we're pretty small if 262 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: you look at the states. I go to Victoria every 263 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: now and again, and they have the my key system, 264 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: but that operates across their entire network, and that's all 265 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: electronic and it's online, and the same with other states. 266 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 2: At the end of we're pretty we're small potatoes in comparison, 267 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: and to try and find something that is I suppose 268 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 2: it becomes a little bit bespoke because we're because the 269 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: end of the day, we're so small. If you look 270 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: at our network, we've been size for a large council, 271 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: say in Victoria, but that's all covered by their entire 272 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: government public transper network. So trying to find something that 273 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: sort of just fits for just us, there's been a 274 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: bit of a challenge. 275 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Hey, Bill, before I let you go, just a really 276 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: quick one. Now. Earlier in the week, I was walking around. 277 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: I was jogging around Marara Sporting Complex and I see 278 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: three lovely ladies who literally have been walking together four 279 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: days a week for the last thirty years, and they 280 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: said to me, Katie, we've tried so hard to get 281 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: some shade trees basically, or some trees just across the 282 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: road from the Rugby Union field. They said there used 283 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: to be trees there. It is one of the only 284 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: areas without shade. There's kids, there's adults there every day. 285 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: Whose responsibility is a that's a damn good question. 286 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: We had trees and we don't have trees. Yeah, sure, 287 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: we've got a wonder look if I'm happy to go 288 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: away and have a little bit of a look at that. 289 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm responsible or it's local government 290 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: or somebody's. 291 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: Let's find out, Bill. Let's get some trees stack at Marra. Mate. 292 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: I like trees are great, Mate, I love them. 293 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: Let's do it all right, Bill, Yeah, we better leave 294 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: it there. Good to catch up with your Minister for Transport, Infrastructure, 295 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: Logistics and also the Treasurer. Really appreciate your time this morning. 296 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: Thanks Katie. You have a great day you too. 297 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: Thank you.