1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Here at two Good Sports. We would like to acknowledge 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land on which we record 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: this podcast. The were innerie people. This land was never seated, 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: always was always will be. Hello and welcome to too 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Good Sports. Sports news told differently. I'm Abby. Gentlemen. If 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: you're thinking, why isn't Georgie Tunney doing the intro? Isn't 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: that her gig? You're right it is. Georgie has decided 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: to flee the coop. She's gone to America for a month, 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: as you do. So, George, We're not missing you at 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: all because I'm joined by my dear friend and colleague, 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Laura Speway. Laura, welcome, Hello, Abby, Yeah, it's great to 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: be here. It is great to have you here now. 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Laura is one of the officionados in the seven newsroom 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: across all sorts of sport. We're looking forward to having 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: you on because it is a big week of AFL. 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: It's a huge week. It is the best month of 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: the year in Melbourne. September is so busy, there's such 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: a vibe. It's my favorite time of the year for sure. 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: We start off with a good sport and are a 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: bad sport and our good sport for the week has 21 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: to be Jack Buckley just guiding Isaac Keeney down after 22 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: what was arguably the mark of the year. Now he 23 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: flew Heeney and almost landed on his head, but it 24 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: was Jack Buckley, of course from GWS that just nursed 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: him to the ground and I thought, what a good sport. 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: This has got worldwide attention. Yeah, the reaction to this 27 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: has been insane. There's been sports people, commentators all over 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: the world look at this and go, jeez, that was 29 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: a good bloke thing to do. He didn't have to 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: do that. There's a lot on the line. It was 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: an incredible grab. I was about to say a question 32 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: without notice here, should mark and Goal of the Year 33 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: include finals? I think this comes up every year because 34 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: the competition steps up in finals. The standard is obviously 35 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: super high because you've got the best teams going at it. Yes, 36 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: and so we always have these big game moments, and 37 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: there were several in that game the Swans GWS. That 38 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: was one. I think it's going to get harder to 39 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: eliminate those games because you are getting these moments and 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: they're not going to be recognized. Even Jeremy Cameron from 41 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: the boundary, Yep had no right and yet it was 42 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: just the most incredible goal. I think it needs to 43 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: be included personally, Yep, I would agree. Otherwise you get 44 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: this little feeling of like what we have with the 45 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: rising Star when you don't have Harley Reid available and 46 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: you're like, well, I mean, come on, we know that 47 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: he is the best young player in the competition, so 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: it sort of becomes like a novelty gift. Don't you reckon? Well? 49 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: And Isaac Haney can't win the Brown Low, I know 50 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: an incredible performance in that final was everywhere? Was everywhere. Now, Laura, 51 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: I'm want to make you my good sport and ask 52 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: you the questions that I get asked as a sports journalist, 53 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: because I think when people love sport, and if you 54 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: found your way too good sports, you'll probably do you think, 55 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: j it'd be fun to be a sports journal How 56 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: do you even start on that path? And what does 57 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: your day look like? So? How did you find yourself 58 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: in the seven newsroom covering sport? I always wanted to 59 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: do sport. It was a goal of mine forever. I 60 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: was not very good at sport. This has not come 61 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: from any athletic ability whatsoever. I knew that former sham 62 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: meant shock me. I'm about five foot nothing. I'm not 63 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: a form or anything at all, So I have no 64 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: athletic prowess in the slightest But I always loved watching 65 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: it and watching everything, and I was like, Okay, I 66 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: like watching I like talking about it more than my husband. 67 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: So I used to find myself in these conversations with 68 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: his mates, and I was more into it. But I 69 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: always had other things going on, So I did a 70 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: degree in media. I started in radio. I started in 71 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: sort of talk radio, and then I found other jobs 72 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: in TV. I was a producer for a while, I 73 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: worked overseas. I worked in business news behind the scenes, 74 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: and I was always desperate to find my way into sports, 75 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: so I kind of did bits and pieces when I 76 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: was a news reporter. And then finally there was an 77 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: opening at Channel seven, and I think it was that 78 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: classic thing of right person, right time, right place, and persistence. 79 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: In my case, it was persistence because it is so competitive, 80 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: isn't it. It's so competitive. I like to think that 81 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: it's gotten a bit easier than it used to be, 82 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: the fact that I could get into it after already 83 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: having fifteen years in TV is unusual, but I got there, 84 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: and so I managed to get the job at Channel seven. 85 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: So I've been at seven sort of three and a 86 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: half years. I'm in the newsroom, so we're very busy 87 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: day to day. I was about to say, so's today's 88 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: a workday. Yep, We've just had finals over the weekend. 89 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: You might be going to a Hawks press conference. You 90 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: might not. You might be going to an airport where 91 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: you're very glamorously shared that you sit on a floor 92 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: with a coffee waiting to see who might be possibly 93 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: limping when they get off the plane. It's one of 94 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: those days where you can really take a turn pun't 95 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: of it. You just never know what you're going to get. Yeah, 96 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: you can have a plan, but those plans can go 97 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: out the window if something happens. So you know, obviously 98 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: at the moment, we've got our eye on the teams 99 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: who are still in the finals. But then you've got 100 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, the Western Bulldogs that've got exit interviews. Do 101 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: you want to declare that your dog is fan off 102 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: the top or I think too heartbroken? I need to 103 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: for the purposes of what we're going to discuss today, 104 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: because I'm still a bit hard on sleeve. I'm still 105 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: a bit upset about the result. In fairness, they didn't 106 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: show up the way that I thought they were going 107 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: to and the Hawks were too good. But yes, Western 108 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: Bulldogs supported here. So today, for example, you know there'll 109 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: be exit interviews this week, the players potentially out the door, 110 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: so you know we'll be looking at that. But come 111 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: six o'clock things can change. So you can find yourself 112 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: in all sorts of unglamorous locations like car parks, like airports. Scans, Yes, 113 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: scans is a big one, isn't it. You kind of 114 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: feel like a little bit of a stalker, yes, just 115 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: hoping that you get people wandering out of a medical 116 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: appointment being like, hello, how are you feeling? Do you 117 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: have a bandage on your knee? Is that limp? Or 118 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: did you just fall over? Can you tell me about it? Yeah. 119 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: So there's all these parts to the job which I think, 120 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, people aren't aware of, Like there's this perspective 121 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: that it is a glamorous job. And don't get me wrong, 122 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: it's a great job. It is. We get to talk 123 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: about sport for a living. We have a lot of fun. Yeah, 124 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: we get to be I was at the MCG on 125 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: Friday night, ninety seven thousand people. Such a buzz and 126 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: you were so happy on air because it was before 127 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: the Dog's lost. Luckily I got my commitments out of 128 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: the way. Pregame might have been a bit different after 129 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: the game, but yeah, you've got to kind of put 130 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: that aside, don't you. Like we all have allegiances, we've 131 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: got teams that we follow, but in the job, the 132 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: pendance is you don't have normal weekends, and when everyone 133 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: else is driving home at five pm, we're ramping up 134 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: for the news. So there is a bit of yin 135 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: and yang to it. But if you love it the 136 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: way that you've loved it your whole life, every now 137 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: and then you find yourself just pinching yourself that you're 138 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: in an office surrounded by other people that love what 139 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: you love, having debates about what you think is going 140 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: to happen, and you're like, just how cool is this? Yeah? 141 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: I think for me, you know, I've done a lot 142 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: of news reporting as well, and I just fundamentally wanted 143 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: to do sport because it's not miserable. No, there's nothing 144 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: in it, It's so true. Yeah, you have an interest 145 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: in something that a lot of people have an interesting 146 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: You can always have conversations with people and I find 147 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: that everyone has something to say and fundamentally it's positive 148 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,119 Speaker 1: and particularly where we are, and of course we record 149 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: in Melbourne, the sporting capital of the country. It dictates 150 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: how people feel. It does day today. And we are 151 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: going to ask some burning questions in our main deep 152 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: dive this week, because my goodness, did the first week 153 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: of finals deliver and it delivered some big questions. So 154 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: we're going to get to those up next. Well, it 155 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: is the best month of the year. It is September, 156 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: the sun is starting to shine, and it is finals football. 157 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: And in the absence of our NRL loving friend see 158 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 1: you later, George, we are going into a deep dive 159 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: of the main discussion points to come out of the 160 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: first week of the AFL Finals. And Laura, I'm dying 161 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: dying to discuss this because I can convince myself either 162 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: way about this, so I need to know your thoughts. 163 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: Jack Guinovan, is that an innocent night of just having 164 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: a pub meal with mates or is it an unwonted 165 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: distraction yet again for his team after what we know 166 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: the history onics around what happened from last year's Grand 167 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: Final when he decided to go to Mooney Valley and 168 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: have a bit of a punt. Do we support this 169 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: and can we support this? I am shaking my head 170 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: like the nanner I am, which is a reflection on me. 171 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: I just obviously I've declared I'm a Bulldogs fan, so 172 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: this was even harder for me to swallow. I just 173 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: don't understand how when you're in an industry where you 174 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: have such a high level of performance expectation on your 175 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: ability to perform as an athlete, that you can be 176 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: in this situation. I'm not saying unwind, I'm not saying 177 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: find a way to, you know, take your mind off 178 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: what's ahead, but this particular setting, knowing that everybody knows 179 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: who you are putting yourself in that situation, I don't 180 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: get it. So, for context, if you were under a 181 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: rock over the weekend. Jacknovan, who is probably the leader 182 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: of the Hollywood Hawks in terms of this young brand 183 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: of football that they're playing where they don't care they 184 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: are who they are, we accept who you are, is 185 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: a massive part of Hawthorne's brand that seems to be 186 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: going amazingly for them. He decided to go to a 187 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: pub and have a dinner with mates. And it just 188 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: blew up because Joe Public has seen him and taken 189 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: a photo of the fact that he had a beverage 190 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: in his hand that sort of looks like perhaps a 191 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: lemon lemon bitters if you squint, but it could have 192 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: been alcoholic. No one knows. And again uproar. And this 193 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: comes off the back of the discussion that we had 194 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: last week about Christian Petrarca Georgie and I went into 195 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: a deep dive about the fact that, you know, people 196 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: are a little bit against the fact that he might 197 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: be moving clubs for his personal brand. And now you've 198 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: got a young man who said, oh, I messaged the 199 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: coach and got it approved that I could go out 200 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: and have a dinner. Is this just young people being 201 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: young people and the fact that all athletes don't necessarily 202 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: need to be Scott Pendlebury and be so militant in 203 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: how they perform in order to do well. And my 204 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: brain initially went, oh, mate, just if you have to 205 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: text your boss, don't do it. And maybe that's the 206 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: goody two shoes in me, but I can't imagine the 207 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: night before having to perform at work thinking, oh, I'm 208 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: going to do something here and I might get in 209 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: trouble for it. I'll just flick the boss a text. 210 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: You just wouldn't do it. But is Jack Innovan one 211 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: of those players that needs a little spice, needs a 212 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: storyline leading into these big events because that's when he's 213 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: most comfortable. Is he like a Michael Jordan that used 214 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: to make up fake headlines and plant them in the 215 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: paper so that he felt like everyone was against him 216 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: when really they words, because that's when he performed his best, 217 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: when there was a bit of anger. I mean Michael Jordan, Jackie, 218 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. So I feel like a long but probably 219 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: the longest bow anyone's ever falled. I'm just saying, if 220 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: you're Michael Jordan, you could probably get away with anything. 221 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: You could probably get away with anything. But look, he 222 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: is an agitator. That's the personality that he is. I 223 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: don't mind that. I think it spices things up, but 224 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: I just think, don't you know what's going to come 225 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: of this? Don't even know he does because he experienced 226 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: it last year and it was arguably one of the 227 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: catalysts for the fact that he moved on from Collingwood 228 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: but also, and this is the annoying thing about it, 229 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: or I shouldn't say annoying it. The reality is that 230 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: they won the game. I know, and after his second 231 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: goal he's celebrated by minding drinking a beer. It was 232 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: just the biggest f you to anyone that had challenged him. 233 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: And part of me and again working in news where 234 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: you're looking for stories, he's our dream. He is a 235 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: walking headline, and he buys into it. Look, it is 236 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: good for the game. I get the argument that it's 237 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: great for the game to have these personalities. It makes 238 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: it interesting, it keeps it dynamic. I wonder at some 239 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: point if it does catch up with them, because yes, 240 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: they've bought into the hole. Be yourselves will give you 241 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: some rope. Some players need that, and there are probably 242 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: players like that at most clubs, where they just need 243 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: to be given a little bit more rope to perform. 244 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: But in this club's case, they seem to have this. 245 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: Everyone has rope, everyone's got rope, there are no there's 246 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: no rope left. It's worked for them, though it has 247 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: worked for them so far. I do wonder at some 248 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: point if that continues, they will get older like the 249 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: Luke Brusts. You know they're not doing that. They've been 250 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: at Hawthorne and there's basically him and Jack Gunston left 251 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: that are like high where you're over thirties club, can 252 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: you please help us out here? Yes? So yeah, for me, 253 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: it's not something that I would have done. I know, 254 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have approved it either. 255 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: But then they won the game, and I think this 256 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: leads into our next question of like Hockball and the 257 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: Hollywood Hawks and just the ridiculousness of how successful they've 258 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: been given the little expectations on them, understandably so because 259 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: they seem to be without at the start of the season, 260 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: those stars, those anchors, and then they just have come 261 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, which has been incredible to see. But 262 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: I laugh at the idea that Sam Mitchell was such 263 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: a line and length person while he was playing and 264 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: the fact that he's I think had to learn and adapting. 265 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: You hear Luke Colladge, of course, who was his premiership captain, 266 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: say this is not the sam Mitchell that I played 267 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: with and he's learnt to adapt and it's working for him. 268 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: And I mean, you look and they take on Port 269 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: Adelaide if they if they win that game, they could 270 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: potentially be in the Grand Final because the Swans are 271 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: gettable for them. This is it's just it's unbelievable. It 272 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: has to be the story of the season. It is 273 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: easily from seventeenth to finals. If you look at the 274 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: Hawk merch that they're now putting out of which I 275 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: think the players actually get. I think Jack actually gets 276 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: a cut of the Hawk merch. I want like, I'm 277 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: on board. I'm on board as much as I feel 278 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: four hundred years old, because I would be that person 279 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: that has the same spag bowl and make sure I'm 280 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: in bed by eight thirty. I love it. I absolutely 281 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: love it. But speaking of older teams, and I think 282 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: of them as older teams, but really it wasn't their 283 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: veterans that got them over the line. The question is 284 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: another burning question. Will Geelong ever rebuild in a system 285 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: that is designed that what goes up must come down? 286 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: Ie there are draft picks, and also the schedule itself 287 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: puts itself against you because there needs to be a 288 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: cycle of who's at the top. This team just seems 289 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: to consistently perform. In addition to that, Chris Scott needs 290 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: to be studied. Yeah, he hates the R word, by 291 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: the way, hates rebuild. Hates the R word, or you 292 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: would have experienced have you said rebuild and copped it 293 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: from him? I have not per personally, but you've seen it. 294 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: So midyear, when you know the ledger wasn't necessarily great, 295 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: he was asked, last five in a row, didn't they? Yeah, 296 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: so they did, and he was asked about it and 297 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: he said, we haven't done that in fourteen years. You haven't, 298 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: so we're not going to do it now. And the 299 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: thing is they haven't had to because they've found a 300 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: way to be consistently successful. And the thing about that 301 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: is that when you have that record, and you have 302 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: a coach with his record, you don't have a problem 303 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: attracting players to your club. So they've been able to 304 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: attract the young talent who have performed very well this season. 305 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: There are a couple in the final last week Sean 306 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: Manor was outstanding. He came up through the VFL, so 307 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: he had to wait to get his spot, came in 308 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: had a huge game last week. So they've got this 309 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: talent there who is coming through who is able to 310 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: offset the Dad's army as they call them. And because 311 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: they seem to have this culture and this vibe which 312 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: is more relaxed than the teams in the city. It's different, 313 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: and you notice it when you go down there. You 314 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: notice it when you see them at the airport, like 315 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: they're one of the few teams, if not the only 316 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: team that wears City's on planes. Oh really yep, And 317 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: that's something that Chris Scott's endorsed. So they have these 318 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: quirks about them that are a little bit more laid back, 319 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: and I think that's very attractive. And because he's done 320 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: so well, he's got people wanting to come and play 321 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: for him, and that means that they don't need to 322 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: look at the draft all the time because they're an 323 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: attractive prospect, and they don't necessarily need to pay overs. No, 324 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: because if you want to get a star player to 325 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: go to the Gold Coast, arguably you have to pay 326 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: attax that they are going to take themselves out of 327 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: the market for Geelong. If you want to have a 328 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: hobby farm and a couple of cows and a relaxed 329 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: life that also be in Victoria. They seem to get 330 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: these great players and pay never above market value, do they, 331 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: which is so helpful with the salary cap. Well, they've 332 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: just made smart decisions. Yeah, I mean getting Jeremy Cameron, 333 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: I know, and getting Patrick Dangers playing like he was 334 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: twenty one against Port and it has to be said 335 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: they be Port Adelaide by eighty four points. It was 336 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: an absolute pansying and poor Port Adelaide. Because this again 337 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: leads into our next question of Ken Hinckley. Has ever 338 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: a coach coached a team to be second on the 339 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: ladder and then been under this amount of pressure because 340 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: he consistently performs well during the season and Port Adelaide 341 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: consistently are there or thereabouts in the top four, but 342 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: they get to the finals and they choke, and I 343 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: just wonder if ken Hinckley's going There's only so many 344 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: different ways that I can try to present this where 345 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: I just don't know what's happening. And I think the 346 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: other thing is like when your own fans have booed 347 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: you earlier this season, which I mean it's a crap 348 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: thing for any coach to have to go through. And 349 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: then he performs and they finished second on the ladder 350 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: and so and he was tearful and the players got 351 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: around him and it was you know, it was a 352 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: special moment to see how much the players meant him be. 353 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: You're right, he has been under this scrutiny all year 354 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: when his contract was only affirmed in August of last year. 355 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: But at some point you have to look at the 356 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: KPIs and you have to say, all right, every club's 357 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: KPI is I want to win flag. Some clubs recognize 358 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: it's going to take longer. But then you look at 359 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: Hawthorne and you go maybe not, maybe not. And they 360 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: owned the r word, they owned the rebuild. But Ken 361 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: Hinckley holds the record for most games coach without a 362 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: Grand Final, so that's twelve seasons and you just think, oh, 363 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: it would be so uncomfortable. And he's the first person 364 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: to own it. Because after the match again where we 365 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: mentioned they got absolutely smashed by Geelong on Thursday, he 366 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: was questioned about if their poor showing in finals recently 367 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: had come from mental issues and he said, look, I 368 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: can appreciate that question because they're the facts, and we 369 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: deal in facts. The reality is we believe this group 370 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: are better than that. But for the next twenty four 371 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: hours we have to live with that performance. We have 372 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: to live with the fact that our last three or 373 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: four finals, haven't been at the level we need them 374 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: to be. Those questions come and once those games turn 375 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: it badly. So he's basically going, well, I think we 376 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: have to wear this because the performances aren't there, and 377 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: my goodness, they're up against a Hawks team that have 378 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: nothing to lose, whereas port Alaide have their coach to lose. 379 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: I think at some point they have to look at it, 380 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: and they can't just go who do we have in 381 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: our ranks that could come up and be the next 382 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: Ken Hinckley. I find that when you know you're looking 383 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: at assistant coaches within your side, they've already played in 384 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: your system. They've already been exposed to one way of thinking. 385 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: How easy would it be for them to break out 386 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: of that mold and create something dynamic, creates something new. 387 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can do that if you've 388 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: got somebody who's already been in that system. So I 389 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: think he'll be under scrutiny rightly. So, I mean they 390 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: haven't played that game yet, but the Hawks are on fire. 391 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: They had the home ground advantage and they lost by 392 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: eighty four points. Yeah, so this is a crust room 393 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: and Adelaide it's a two team town. Like you think 394 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: the word dictated by AFL here it is life in Adelaide. 395 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: And the fact that they've come out and basically already 396 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: said that Josh Carr is going to be our next coach. 397 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: They've all but affirmed that, and he's currently their midfield 398 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: coach and he has a decorated history of being First off, 399 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: he was at Port Adelaide, went to North Adelaide, went 400 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: to Frio and then back to Port and of course 401 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: he was a player as well in his own time. 402 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: But they've basically come out and said this is going 403 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: to be picking from within, so the culture is not 404 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: going to change. Well, I mean, you know the Hawks 405 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: sort of did that with Sam Mitchell, didn't they. Yes, 406 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: And I mean it's an interesting question for me how 407 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: they might have been this year if Alistair Clarkson was 408 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: still at the Helm. I think it would have been 409 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: so different. Whether he would have been You can't imagine 410 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Clarko saying go for a bersun, you'll be fine, just 411 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: even just embracing the young flashiness, right. But anyway, Yes, 412 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: I think with Ken Hinckley, you know, he's been around 413 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: long enough to know that at some point is going 414 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: to come up. They're going to have enough and they're 415 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: going to say, you know what, Yes, you've got a 416 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: good record of getting us to finals, but ultimately we're 417 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: not here just to keep doing that. It's bizarre to 418 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: think that over his career where he was appointed as 419 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: the senior coach in twenty thirteen, so you're talking like 420 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: eleven years of service. If they win their next two games, 421 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's a hero. Yep. That's the role. 422 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: That's the game, isn't it. That's the role. It's unforgiving, 423 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: there's no patience. Sometimes, speaking of unforgiving and no patience, 424 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: the Swan's our minor premiers absolutely copped it towards the 425 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: tail end of the season about the fact that they'd 426 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: peaked too early. They were so strong and then they 427 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: were fading away. They were so gettable all of a sudden, 428 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: And I know you were covering the game on the 429 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: weekend seeing the office going, oh my god, they're coming back, 430 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: and I've got to recut this package so that I've 431 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: got to change the narrative because every sign looked like GWS, 432 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: we're going to take that home. And the Swans now 433 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, win their way through and they 434 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: have to be Premiership favorites. I would say after the week, 435 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: and they have to be if you'd ask me towards 436 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: the end of the home and away season, would have 437 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: said no, I agree. But you know they've got their 438 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: players back that they were missing. They found their mojo again. 439 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean it's very hard for a team to maintain 440 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: the level that they did through the whole season. They 441 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: were the hunted. They were the hunted and that's a 442 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: hard tag to carry, as Collingwood found out this year. 443 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: But they just stood up. They found a way. Their 444 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: midfield stars just delivered. Isaac Keeney are just the guy 445 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: is not human. No, it was an incredible and doesn't 446 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: look human. No, he looks like the pinup boy and 447 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: he's just he's actually the nicest person as well, Isaac like, 448 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: he's just you couldn't hope for a better ambassador for 449 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: your club. Yep. And I think after that performance backs 450 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: against the wall and finding a way, Yeah, finding a 451 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: way when it mattered, and that's all you need, you know, 452 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: you get little bit of belief that momentum three quarters. 453 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: As Adam Kingsley, the GWS coach, said, you can play 454 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: three quarters of really good footage, which they did, and 455 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, yeah, because if you come out on 456 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: top in the end, that's what matters. And so for me, 457 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: as much as we talk about you know, Hawthorne being 458 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: hard to beat, given the belief, I think, you know, 459 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: Sydney's just got a lot more experience. They've got a 460 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: coach who has a ton of finals experience as well 461 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: has obviously won flags. So for me, if they can 462 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: continue to find those players in those moments which they 463 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: have been, yes, then they're going to stand up. They've 464 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: got a home final, a home preliminary final, so they 465 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: get a break now and then they get to play 466 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: at the SCG again. They can probably go in the 467 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: Geelong basket of my god, do you ever rebuild like 468 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: Sydney always there and thereabouts? Which again to be doing 469 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: that in a non AFL state and the fact that 470 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: there is definitely a Sydney tax you pay on getting 471 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: players to go up and be in New South Wales 472 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: because cost of living is so much higher and you're 473 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: taking people out of an AFL market. Like I remember 474 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: when I was living in Sydney, I saw the entire 475 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: group of Swans at a pub and not a single 476 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: person with to them and bothered them. And I just thought, 477 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, if you were in Melbourne there would 478 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: be a line for selfies. So that does appeal to 479 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: some people, but you are in a demo where it 480 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: is hard and to see that packed SCG for what 481 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: was an all New South Wales final, and then for 482 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: me it was to see that the next day Isaac 483 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: Keeney was actually on the cover of the Daily Telly, 484 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: which again just doesn't happen in New South Wales. They've 485 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: managed to have such a cut through and now you're 486 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: looking and you're just going, okay, So this team not 487 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: only could be near about the Grand Final again, but 488 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: we could also have It's very plausible a Giants Swan's 489 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: Grand Final and I think the AFL would love it 490 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: that Melbourne would be like, wait what Melbourne would hate it? 491 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: We would hate it. Victorians would just be like, well, 492 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: who are we throwing a parade for? We have been robbed? 493 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: We have you know, like, isn't that just the marvel 494 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: of it? Yep? And that's the season though, right Yeah. 495 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: It once again comes back to this conversation of what 496 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: has this year been? How many curveballs. Have we been thrown? 497 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: Oh it is just going to have no right to 498 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: be there, you know what, They absolutely no right and 499 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: yet they're up against it in my view against GWS. 500 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: I think GWS will be devastated after what happened on 501 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: the weekend. And I actually pegged them as Premiership favorites 502 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: before the season began. I thought, no, this is going 503 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: to be there, and they started so well. They were 504 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: my pick and it's going to age very well if 505 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: they get up. But I'm also on the Giants bandwagon. 506 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 1: I agree, so I think, Yeah, I still think at 507 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: the moment, based on that performance on the weekend that 508 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: Sydney you'd fear them, You one hundred percent would go. 509 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: Look at those players, look at how they lift when 510 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: they need to, and the coach is just so seasoned. Yes, 511 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: at this time of year. I mean I do think 512 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: back to the twenty twenty two Granny where they just 513 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: didn't rock up and we could see a Geelong Swan's 514 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: Grand Final again and how different it would look. Or 515 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen when the Dogs beat them. Oh, there it is, yea, 516 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 1: it is to drop that in. I'm going to put 517 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: you on the spot because speaking of things aging, well, 518 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: who do you think is going to be in the 519 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: Grand Final? Okay, so if we're looking at the we're 520 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: looking we've got we've got our chart in front of us, 521 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: which is so handy to see where all the finals 522 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: sort of play out. And what we're looking at this 523 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: is the mind map. What do you reckon? So you're 524 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: looking at the Swan's playing either the Hawks or Port 525 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: Adelaide in a prelim in Sydney though, so for mine, 526 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: I think the Swans they'd win that I reckon they'll 527 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: go through. And then you've got Geelong playing either the 528 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: Lions or Gws at the mcg The Lions that held 529 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: Carlton's schooreless while they ran away to sixty points. It 530 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: was a demolishing but you could argue they barely paid 531 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: a final and that's at the Gabba. Yeah, so given 532 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: that games at the mcgin, so so I think that 533 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: I think it'll be a Giants Geelong prelim. That's a 534 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: tough one to call. Look, the Victorian in me is 535 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: going to say Geelong. I'm going to will that we 536 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: get the Victorian team in the final. So Geelong Swans, 537 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: Geelong Swans and then do we have the same result 538 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: we had two years ago. Imagine if Geelong do it, 539 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: I mean that would be amazing. But also, you know, 540 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: being Tom Hawkins and not knowing if you're going to 541 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: play in that side in your final season is a 542 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: little bit. He's about the narrative to come out of 543 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: it because he played in the VFL on the weekend 544 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: kicked one. He's announced that he is going to be retiring, 545 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: but he's just going to see what happens. And I wonder, 546 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: because Chris Scott is famously a loyal coach and an 547 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: emotional coach that sticks by his people. I wonder how 548 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: difficult it is, given how well they performed against Port Adelaide, 549 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: to roll the dice and include someone who changes your 550 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: forward line so much. But he is a champion and 551 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: a games record holder of your club. I think in 552 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: a Grand final sentiment goes out the wind. See I 553 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: would say, I think in a Grand final sentiment so important. 554 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 1: I think it is. But you want to win the flag. 555 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: That is your objective. Your objective is you lift the 556 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: cup and you need But he wouldn't, Tomahawk wouldn't. I 557 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: don't know. Ah they do have a very good relationship. 558 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: Chris Scott and Tom Hawkins. They are very close. He's 559 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: the People's champion. Yeah, so you know they're very possibly 560 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: could be away in our hypothetical land that they make 561 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: the Grand Final, that he is selected. But I think 562 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: you want to win that flag. That's what you're there for. 563 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: And we have touched on only a few, genuinely, only 564 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: a few of the storylines in the lead up to 565 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: that moment and that flag. And that's why we love 566 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: our job so much, because you feel like you can 567 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: blink and you could spend hours talking about all these 568 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: different narratives. But the beautiful thing about two good sports 569 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: is that we only dig this back up if it 570 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: ages well, Laura, So this can go into oblivion now 571 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: like and if you end up to be an absolute 572 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: messiah on how that you've called this, we will make 573 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: sure that it's clipped up for you. But thank you 574 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: so much for that. We've absolutely loved it, and I 575 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: guess we're just gonna wait and see. But you've got 576 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: an airport to go to, don't you, or a press 577 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: conference or somewhere to sit on the floor. That's my 578 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: glamorous life, you know it. We love it. Hey, Laura, 579 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: we have a segment called fun Fact, So would you 580 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: like to hear a fun fact? And usually Georgie drives 581 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: this one, but I have got one for you and 582 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: it's AFL themed. Love it ready. So Fitzroy, we are 583 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: going back to nineteen sixteen when they won the Wooden 584 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: Spoon and also the flag in the same year. You 585 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: think nineteen sixteen, what was going on in the world, Well, 586 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: World War One and so many players were at war 587 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: that there's only four clubs that could beat and then 588 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: Fitzroy came fourth on the ladder but actually went on 589 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: to win the flag. So maybe that's an omen for 590 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: the Lions potentially. I mean, if all it takes is 591 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: war to win a flag, oh my goodness, you forget 592 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: what the AFL has actually been through, or that there 593 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: would have been times where there were players that actually 594 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: had to go off and fight in war. It's actually 595 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: quite unbelievable. It is unbelievable, and it's just how it's 596 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 1: changed in that time. And I think this is a 597 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: good reminder that previously players had other stuff they had 598 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: to do to make a living, and now serve their 599 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: country and serve their country. It's probably a good reminder 600 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: for us all really, isn't it. But that's wild. I 601 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: also think it just reminds you of the history, Like 602 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: there's something about I know you and I are footy people, 603 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: when it's so nice to say footy and not have 604 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: to qualify that. I'm not talking about NRL again, Tunney, 605 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: I miss you. But also this is you've got to 606 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: reflect what state that we're in. But there is such 607 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: as drawid history and those that get to lift the 608 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: you're part of that folklore forever. And I just looked 609 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: at that and I went, what do you mean that 610 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: you could possibly win the wooden spoon but also come 611 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: home with the flag. But that is our fun fact. 612 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Too Good Sports. It's an 613 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: iHeart production. Laura. I'm going to rope you in for 614 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: another one of these, so we'll see how we go. 615 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: You can follow us on Instagram at two Good Sports Podcasts. 616 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week, but until then, be good Sport.