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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: the twelfth of August. I'm Sam Kauzlowski.

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Speaker 2: I'm beliefit.

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Speaker 1: Simon's Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi has announced Australia will recognize

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Speaker 1: the State of Palestine ash a meeting of the UN

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Speaker 1: General Assembly in September. It follows recent similar declarations by Canada,

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Speaker 1: the UK and France, and the decision also comes amid

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Speaker 1: growing condemnation of Israel's plan to take over Gaza announced

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Speaker 1: last week. On today's podcast, we're going to break down

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Speaker 1: what this recognition means, what the Prime Minister said yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and what happens from here. So, Billy, what exactly did

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi announce yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like you said, Sam, Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi

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Speaker 2: declared that Australia will formally recognize the State of Palestine

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Speaker 2: at a meeting of the UN General Assembly this September.

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Speaker 2: So they're just important to note that that doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: that this is immediately happening. It will happen in early

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Speaker 2: September when that meeting of all countries from across the

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Speaker 1: And that's an annual meeting of the General Assembly. It

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Speaker 1: happens at the UN headquarters in New York every single year,

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Speaker 1: and you can kind of think about this now as

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Speaker 1: a new agenda item that will be on that global meeting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so this is a hugely historic announcement, I

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Speaker 2: the beginnings of a two state solution to form between

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Speaker 2: the Israeli government and the Palestinian authority before recognizing a

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Speaker 2: common Here's a little bit of what he said today.

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Speaker 3: I can confirm that at the eightieth Session of the

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Speaker 3: United Nations General Assembly in September, Australia will recognize the

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Speaker 3: state of Palestine. Australia will recognize the ride of the

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Speaker 3: Palestinian people to a state of their own, predicated on

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Speaker 3: the commitments Australia has received from the Palestinian authority. A

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Speaker 3: two state solution is humanity's best hope to break the

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Speaker 3: cycle of violence in the Middle East and to bring

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Speaker 2: Just to kind of give you a bit more of

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Speaker 1: And to add some context there, the Israeli government says

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Speaker 1: about another thirty bodies still to be returned. So that's

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Speaker 1: the state of play on what was announced yesterday. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so when a country formally recognizes another state, it

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Speaker 2: here it means that the Australian government will have a

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Speaker 2: That is slightly different. So that doesn't change the fact

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Speaker 1: Sure, so I guess that's more about the UN recognizing

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Speaker 2: Yes, so the Palestinian Authority currently governs some of the

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Speaker 2: Albanesi was very clear in his press conference yesterday in saying, quote,

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Speaker 1: So that was the announcement by Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi.

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Speaker 1: He made that announcement alongside the Foreign Minister Penny Wong.

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Speaker 1: We then heard from the opposition a couple of hours later,

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Speaker 2: They very quickly criticized this announcement, and that was led

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Speaker 1: Cart before the horse, and if we zoom out a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, this is not an isolated move. This

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Speaker 2: So on the twenty fourth of July, French President Emmanuel

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Speaker 1: I did notice in now Benizi's press conference yesterday he

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Speaker 1: Benjamin Nenyahu. How has Israel responded to these announcements?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so prior to who Australia making the announcement yesterday,

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Speaker 2: What also happened yesterday is that Nehna who actually directly

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Speaker 1: And this announcement comes at a particularly tense time in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so late last week, the Israeli government approved a

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Speaker 1: Our loved ones. So the other major news development out

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Speaker 2: revealed that Israeli forces have killed five Al Jazeera journalists

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Billy, last question from me, Where does this

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Speaker 2: like I said before, maintains that Palestinian statehood should only

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Speaker 1: New York in September. Billy, thank you for walking us

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Speaker 1: through yesterday's announcement and that's all for today's deep dive.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be back in the afternoon with some headlines.

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Speaker 1: Until then, have a great Tuesday morning. My name is

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Speaker 1: Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung Kalkudin woman

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Speaker 1: pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island and nations.

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Speaker 1: We pay our respects to the first peoples of these countries,

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Speaker 1: both past and present.