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Speaker 3: talking to him about his new book, Time Anxiety, and

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Speaker 3: the brilliant strategies that he has developed to help us

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Speaker 3: break free from time guilt, deadline dread, and chronic rushing.

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Speaker 1: If we say the time is our most precious resource,

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Speaker 1: So I've got all of these messages, you know, in

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Speaker 3: Welcome to how I work a show about habits, rituals,

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Speaker 3: and strategies for optimizing your date. I'm your host, doctor

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Speaker 3: Amantha imber.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: Chris, you have written a book about time anxiety, which

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Speaker 3: So can you tell me what is time anxiety?

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Speaker 1: I think of it as the fear of running out

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Speaker 3: How was it showing up in your life when you

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Speaker 1: I would say it was the overarching problem of my life.

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Speaker 1: It was something that affected me just all the time.

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Speaker 3: Email is such a time waster for so many people,

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Speaker 3: I know that productivity advice that you hate is someone

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Speaker 2: Matters right now? What matters to me right now?

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Speaker 1: Like when you do that, I think just about everybody

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Speaker 1: I can identify, Oh okay, there's like a few things

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Speaker 1: And so you might think of people in your life.

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Speaker 1: You might think of something that you're working on. There

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Speaker 1: And I think that is a help just a very simple,

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Speaker 1: all those other kinds of things. But I guess if

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Speaker 1: I think asking yourself like what matters will be a

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Speaker 1: direction to pay attention to. It's not meant to be

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Speaker 1: actually very grounded in logic and analysis and in what

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Speaker 1: we really want to do and find you know, meaning

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Speaker 3: Do you have any annual or monthly or weekly rituals

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Speaker 3: around just reminding you to go what matters? What matters

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Speaker 3: this week? Where should my time go? Do you have

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Speaker 1: I do have like an annual review that I've been

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Speaker 1: doing for like twenty years, so I've changed that a

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Speaker 1: and such. But it's a little bit less intensive than

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Speaker 1: it used to be because now I am more thinking.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really in the moment because I am kind

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Speaker 1: of future minded, but it is more like I know

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Speaker 1: more or less what I want to be doing most

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Speaker 1: off track that I have to like refocus a bit.

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Speaker 1: And also I like projects like you. I like to

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Speaker 1: write books and so other projects like books. I host

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Speaker 1: an annual event, and so with these kinds of things,

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Speaker 1: it has like a built in timeline for it, and

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Speaker 1: I like that. Actually I like knowing, Okay, seasonally or cyclically,

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Speaker 1: here's what I need to be doing, and here's how

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Speaker 1: I can prioritize those things.

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Speaker 3: If you've enjoyed everything Chris just shared, then I have

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Speaker 3: good news. This was just part one of a two

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Speaker 3: part chat, and next week we're going to be releasing

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Speaker 3: part two. So do make sure that you hit follow

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Speaker 3: or subscribe to How I Work wherever you're listening to

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Speaker 3: this podcast. So I hope you liked this chat with

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Speaker 3: Chris today, and my goodness, I have personally lapped up

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Speaker 3: everything he has said. I just love how practical his

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Speaker 3: advice is, and personally, I've even started to put some

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Speaker 3: of these strategies into practice since recording this epis. If

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Speaker 3: you want to learn more about Chris, I highly recommend

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Speaker 3: checking out his book Time Anxiety, and the links to

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Speaker 3: that are in the show notes. See you next week

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Speaker 3: for part two. If you like today's show, make sure

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