1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: the tenth of November. I'm Sam Kazlowski. 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm Billy fitz Simon's. 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Today's podcast is a little bit different. The Future according 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: to Us is tda's first annual benchmark on Young Australians, 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: what we care about, how we live, what gives us 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: hope and where we're taking the country next. So on 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: today's podcast, we thought we would break down the key 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: findings of our report and paint a picture of where 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: our generation is at. 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: Sam, do you want to start by giving us a 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: little bit more context. So this is a new report 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 3: that The Daily OS has published this month. It's called 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: The Future according to Us. Tell us where this idea 17 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: came from, why it's important to TDA, anything you can 18 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: tell us about why this is now being launched. 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: So I think we like to think of ourselves, and 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: I think it's true that we know young Australians and 21 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: that we listen to young Australians and importantly that we 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: are young Australians and we do a lot of polling 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 2: on our newsletter or on Instagram, and there's a whole 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: other level of polling and research out there, which is 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: research that people could rely on if they're writing a 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: university paper or if they're looking at it as a 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: company and wanting to make a decision. And that's that 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: kind of really scientific level of research. And so that's 29 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: always been seen as the next step for us in 30 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: if we really want to represent young Australians, we need 31 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: to not just understand what our audience thinks, but what 32 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: a representative sample of young ossies think who might not 33 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 2: be in our audience as well. 34 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: So this is. 35 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: About getting a snapshot of where young ossies are at, 36 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: what they are thinking politically, what is most important to them, 37 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: the issues that are coming up for them every week, 38 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: what is on their minds exactly. 39 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: And the aim is to do it once a year 40 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: so that over a ten year period you can see 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: how things change. And so this is the first one 42 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: and we don't have kind of you know, this has 43 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: gone up six percent compared to last year, but it's 44 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: an amazing starting point. And the way that we did 45 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: it was we partnered with a research agency called Resolve Strategic, 46 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: So you know, when you're looking at a news report 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: from a traditional publisher and they say Anthony Alberzi's approval 48 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: rating has gone up or down. Yes, they're the guys 49 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 2: that do that. So they do a poll and say 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: what do you think about a political leader. But they 51 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: also do work for news organizations on what do you 52 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: think about a certain topic, and so they know exactly 53 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: kind of how to do this research in the best way. 54 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: So we partnered with them. We told them what we 55 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: wanted to do, and they went out and they found 56 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: five thousand Australians, not just young Australians because you need 57 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: to compare generations, but five thousand Australians that if you 58 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: put those five thousand people in a room, that is 59 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: a representative snapshot of the nation right now. 60 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 3: So it's a nationally representative study, which is kind of 61 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: a Jagoni word, but it just means that all that 62 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 3: to say that this is a legitimate study that we 63 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 3: have done in partnership. 64 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and most legitimate studies have between one or two 65 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: thousand people who they have as the sample. We've got 66 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 2: five thousands. So we tried to get the slightly biggest 67 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: sample to make sure the findings were like really watertight, 68 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: and yeah, you have to start somewhere, and here we are. 69 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: By the way, when we talk about young people, what 70 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: I'm talking about there is eighteen to thirty four year old. 71 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: So that's how we decided to split up what a 72 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: young person was and what an older Australian was. 73 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: No offense to any thirty five or thirty. 74 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 4: Six year olds, Absolutely none men mentioned. 75 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: So let's get to the findings. What is one finding 76 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: that you found to be the most surprising. 77 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: I think I was overwhelmed with just how confusing young 78 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: ossies are to understand, and it's very contradictory the way 79 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: that they see the. 80 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: World, so the way that we see the world, the. 81 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: Way we see Sorry I should so. Young ossies are 82 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: the most optimistic generation about their own futures. They are 83 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: genuinely hopeful, but at the same time they're the most 84 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: pessimistic generation about the systems around us. So we believe 85 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: fundamentally as a generation that we can adapt, we can learn, 86 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: we can create opportunities and ways that perhaps our parents' 87 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: generation don't quite appreciate. When you think about the country 88 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: as a whole, only forty percent of young people think 89 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: that the country is headed in the right direction. Less 90 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: than half say that our democracy is working well. These 91 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: are big ideas. And when we asked young Ossies whether 92 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: Australia is the best country in the world, only fifty 93 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: nine percent of them agreed. So for older Australians that 94 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: number was seventy six percent. So we know we can 95 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: do it. We know we're destined for big things. We 96 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: don't think the countries though, and we don't think we 97 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: have the systems around us to support that. 98 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 3: Do we know what came second in terms of what 99 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: young Ozzie thought was the best country in the world. 100 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: No, So that question in the report was just said 101 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: yes no. So there were ten statements like I feel 102 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: safe in Australia, Australia is the best country in the world, 103 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: I think Australia has my best interests at heart, and 104 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: they just had to say yeses on. 105 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: Though, that's interesting that older Australians think that Australia is 106 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: the best country in the world more so than young 107 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: z You think that. 108 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And those ten statements I told you about consistently 109 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: every single one, ten out of ten older Australians agreed 110 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: more with those sorts of statements. So older Australians agreed 111 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: more that Australians are kind to each other, or that 112 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: Australia gives people like me purpose. There was consistently that 113 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: view when tied to the country, and the almost the 114 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: older you get, the more that you think Australia is fantastic. 115 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: Okay, so young people are hopeful about their own futures 116 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: but pessimistic about the country. Why do you think that 117 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: that disconnect exists. 118 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: I think ultimately it's because we're doing everything expected of us. 119 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 2: We're getting educated, we're trying to work hard and build 120 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: income where joining communities, where trying to stand up for 121 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: things we believe in. But still those key elements of 122 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: home ownership and traditional milestones are completely out of reach. 123 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: And we see prosperity all around us. We see major 124 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: companies getting richer and richer, but we feel locked out 125 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: of those systems. And so there's this weird disconnect between 126 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: trusting our own abilities but losing faith in those big institutions. 127 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: And ultimately it all comes down to trust. 128 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: I think that idea of young Australians losing trust in 129 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: institutions is something that comes up so much. Do you 130 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: want to explain what do we actually mean when we 131 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: talk about that. 132 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: I think it's all about a perception as to whether 133 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: an institution has our interests at homet And so we 134 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: asked about ten institutions and young people have lower levels 135 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: of trust than older Australians in nine out of those ten. 136 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: So what's an example of an institution, So. 137 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: The police for example, or our health system, our court system, 138 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: the government, the federal government. The one institution that young 139 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: Australians trust more than older Australians is the Internet as 140 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: an institution, and I. 141 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: Guess that involves influences and content creator. 142 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: Well, we actually our social media platforms separately, and older 143 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: Australians trust social media platforms more than younger Australians do. 144 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 4: That checks out the Internet. 145 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: It was interesting to separate them. And obviously designing this 146 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: survey took so long to try and figure out those 147 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: tiny little nuances. So we're not quite sure what to 148 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: do with this website trust point, but it's definitely a 149 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: topic for another time. 150 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 1: And what about the government specifically. 151 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: So fewer than half of younger Australians trust the Federal 152 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: Government forty two percent. That's one of the country's most 153 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: significant institutions, and young people just don't trust it the 154 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: one that we trust the most is health professionals and 155 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: the police. So the kind of key theme on the 156 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: institutions that we do trust the most would be about 157 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: service based occupations and kind of emergency services people who 158 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: are really there when we urgently need them. 159 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: So that was good to see. 160 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: And this lack of trust that young Ossie's have in 161 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: the government, what does that mean in terms of how 162 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: they engage in politics. 163 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: Well, what it doesn't mean is that they exhibit apathy. 164 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: They really care, So it's not like they're not turning 165 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: up to vote because they don't trust the government. In 166 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: terms of turnout, younger Australians have some of the most 167 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: active voting patterns of any generation in Australian history at 168 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: the moment, but they're the least committed voters. So most 169 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: young Ozzie said that they would change their vote from 170 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: election to election or at least consider doing so. So 171 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: they're kind of treating political parties like any other service 172 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: provider like Atelco. You know, if you don't like the 173 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: plan that you're on one year, you might change another year. 174 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: And they're not afraid to have kind of strong movement, 175 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: which is different to older ozsi's who buy and large 176 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: stick to a party for most of their lives. 177 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: I think that's important point not to confuse a lack 178 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: of trust in the government with a general apathy towards 179 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: our political system. 180 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and where the most active in terms of our activism. 181 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: So I think the lack of trust in a federal government, 182 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: for example, comes out in the way that we protest 183 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 2: on streets and we kind of take matters into our 184 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: own hands. So seventy six percent on climate action, for example, 185 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: believe that modest individual actions can help create change more 186 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 2: so than big policies. So it's that sense of kind 187 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: of taking matters into our own hands again, and this 188 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: is the key theme of the whole report, is that 189 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 2: we're betting on us, We're not betting on the institutions 190 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 2: doing it for us. 191 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: I know. 192 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 3: Another thing that we asked the respondents about is cost 193 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 3: of living. Yeah, what did it find about that? 194 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: So it's pretty stark, not surprising to you, I'm sure, 195 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: having followed this topic so closely over the last couple 196 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: of years, But fifty nine percent of young ASIE said 197 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: that cost of living is the single biggest concern they 198 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: have at the moment. That's more than every single other 199 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: issue we put on the page combined. So the next 200 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: highest was housing, which you could arguably say is part 201 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: of that bucket as well at thirteen percent. Then Climate 202 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: and the environment at nine percent. And when we talk 203 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 2: about home ownership again, we're still quite traditional. We all 204 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: want to buy a home, and that's really important because 205 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: there's a difference between wanting to buy a home and 206 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: knowing we're probably not going to. And I think that 207 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: gets confused a bit. It's not that young Assies don't 208 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: want to buy a home. We really want to, we 209 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: just know that we can't. So one in three young 210 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: Australians have totally given up on home ownership. Wow, and 211 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: they're calling it unrealistic. 212 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 4: Again. 213 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: They haven't given up because they don't want it, they've 214 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: given up because they can't afford it. 215 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: And I think there's also this idea that we've spoken 216 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: about before in relation to young people about choosing to 217 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: rent forever so that that money can instead be spent 218 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: on things like traveling overseas, coming to festivals and spending 219 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 3: money on experiences. 220 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that that kind of lends itself 221 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: to that point about the individual. Is we don't have 222 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: trust that if we play the game and if we 223 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: do it right, will be rewarded with home ownership. In 224 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: our thirties or forties, we don't believe that anymore, and 225 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: so why not fly business class and spend most of 226 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: your savings on that. Well, the business vis the business 227 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: class flyer around the world has gotten younger. 228 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: Maybe points, maybe with some points. 229 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 4: Maybe that's a terrible example. 230 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if that's money. 231 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: Or we're definitely spending a lot more on leisure. And 232 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: I think that when you don't have a housing deposit 233 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: to save for, you can do that because what's the 234 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: point of saving. And that's a whole economic framework of 235 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 2: a society that's kind of changing. 236 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm laughing that a conversation about cost of living somehow 237 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: turn to a conversation about business cards. 238 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 4: Well that's one of the weird things. 239 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: And we talk to brands a lot about this as well, 240 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: is our wages aren't rising that quickly, but at the 241 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: amount of money that we spend as a percentage of 242 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: that wage is skyrocketing. 243 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: So interesting. So it's a change in priorities for young people. 244 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: Yes, in that way in terms of home ownership, but 245 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: a lot of other priorities that our parents have had 246 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: are very closely held by us, so we really want 247 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: to get married. Overall, it's forty eight percent of people 248 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: who are currently married do want to get married. Another 249 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: thirty percent I think was already married under thirty five, 250 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: So that's like kind of eighty ninety percent there, and 251 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: just fourteen percent of young people don't want or intend 252 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: to start a family. So overall, we still want to 253 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: have kids, we still want to get married, but the 254 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: timelines for all of that have shifted so dramatically because 255 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: the financial foundations that our parents have that's not there. 256 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: We're not buying a home and then thinking about a 257 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 2: family and then thinking about getting married. It's all kind 258 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: of happening in a bit of a jumbled order. 259 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 3: I feel like when I think about how older generations 260 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 3: speak about younger generations, they often talk about Gen Z 261 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: young people in the workplace, and generally there is this 262 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: sentiment that they're not very good workers or they don't 263 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: really like working. 264 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: What did the report find about that? 265 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: Well, again, they told us that the perception of an 266 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: apathetic generation of under thirty fives is wrong. So seventy 267 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: nine percent of eighteen to thirty four year olds are working, 268 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: with only six percent unemployed. Have to remember there's a 269 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: lot of full time studying in there as well, and 270 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: when you zoom into that twenty five to thirty group, 271 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: nearly ninety percent are in work and most of those. 272 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 4: People are full time. 273 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: What also was really interesting about work is that they've 274 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: got side hustles. So one third of young Australians have 275 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 2: a side hustle on top of a full time job 276 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: and that immediately you think, is that about cost of living? 277 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: And the answer is yeah, it's about an extra source 278 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: of income, but also it's about skill development and community 279 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: impact when we ask them why you have a side hustle. 280 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: So there is a multiple revenue stream model that's out 281 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: there and very popular, and that mutches. 282 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: Other research that has come out. 283 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that ABS found a couple of years 284 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: ago that a record number of young people had side hustles. 285 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy one ariz. 286 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. 287 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: Another area that we looked at is mental health, which 288 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: is a big topic when it comes to young people. 289 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: What did the report find about that? 290 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 2: I probably found this the most concerning part of the report, 291 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: So I mean overall mental ill health isn't an exception 292 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: for young Australians, it is the norm. So eighty nine 293 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: percent have reported ever experiencing a mental health issue. 294 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: Wow, so that's nine to ten yes. 295 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: So seventy six percent said they have experienced at some 296 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: point currently experienced anxiety, sixty five percent that they have 297 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: previously or now experienced depression, and thirty one percent that 298 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: they have previously or now experienced and eating disorder. And crucially, 299 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: seventy six percent of young people said that they experienced 300 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: one or more of these issues within the last twelve months. 301 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: So this isn't a historical situation that we're looking at. 302 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: It's fair to say this is a live crisis. 303 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: It's something that's happening right now. 304 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 305 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: And a big topic when it comes. 306 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 3: To young people's mental ill health is loneliness. 307 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we are the loneliest generation. Fifty nine percent 308 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: of young Aussies said they experienced loneliness currently, with forty 309 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: four percent of older Australians saying the same thing. So 310 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: I mean it is cross generational loneliness. Forty four percent 311 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: amongst thirty five and older is a massive rate as well. 312 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: Seventeen percent of young Ozzie said that they feel lonely often, 313 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: so one in five Ozzie said that they're often. I 314 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: mean once a week was the guidance we gave there. 315 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: And what I think is really the heart of this 316 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: paradox is that we're also the most connected generation in history, 317 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: the loneliest and the most connected. 318 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: It's always such an interesting oxymoron if that's a yeah, 319 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: if that's the right word or phrase, the fact that 320 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 3: we are somehow the most connected but also the most lonely. 321 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 322 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: And when we asked young people, the question was something like, 323 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: do you find connection outside of family, friends, work, social media, 324 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: or sport, So things like university groups, religious organizations, hobby clubs, 325 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: And it was only fifteen percent, So. 326 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: That's really interesting you including sport in that. I was 327 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: I was thinking, I don't know if I find connection 328 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: outside of those because social media, work, family friends, those 329 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: are kind of of my pillars for connection. 330 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: Well, what we were really looking for there was some 331 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: data around university groups, right and young people, but also 332 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: religious organizations and religious organizations has previously reported to be 333 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: a key pillar of connection in society for young people, 334 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: and so we were really interested to see the data 335 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: there and we asked one by one, so do you 336 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: find connection via university groups and then religious organizations separately? 337 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: And so I think that's really interesting though, is that 338 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: part of the largely traditional but also physical part of 339 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: how we connect. I think sport is still as popular 340 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: as ever that has really died off. 341 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: Sport has really died off. 342 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: No, so those other groups are as kind of the 343 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: kind of separate bucket that were once really popular. 344 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm really big on community sport at the moment. 345 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 4: We are definitely all going through a run club run 346 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: swim Era. 347 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: Me and podcast producer Al who is editing this podcast, 348 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: we are big on community sport together. 349 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 4: Well, you're doing a lot for your connection. 350 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: Okay. 351 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: One thing that I quickly want to shout out that 352 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: I found super interesting from our research was that thirty 353 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: nine percent of young people have had a dedicated social 354 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 3: media detox. Yeah, And what that tells me is that 355 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 3: young people are identifying that social media isn't always great 356 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 3: for their mental health and they're actually actively needing to 357 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 3: do something about that. 358 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: Because it has clearly crossed a threshold for them. 359 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: And that's double the rate of older Australians. So we 360 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: are actively pursuing blocks of time where we uplocking, deleting, 361 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: you know, locking our phones in cages, trying to figure 362 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: out ways to disconnect. 363 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Sam, you've told us a lot of stats. 364 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: They've all been very interesting. 365 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: What is your big takeaway from all of this research 366 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 3: that we've done about young people? 367 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: So, if you put all of this in a blender 368 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: and give us a cocktail and pump out a cocktail, 369 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 2: it's that young Australians are betting on themselves because they 370 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: don't trust the systems around them. They're working as hard, 371 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: if not harder, than their parents did at the same age, 372 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: but they're feeling less secure. They see the world getting 373 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 2: richer and they're not sure how to do it themselves. 374 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: Interesting, profound, Thank you, A lot to think about. 375 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of hope in this report. 376 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of things that governments, businesses, organizations, employers, families, 377 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: partners can work on from this report. 378 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 4: But I see a generation that's ready to go. 379 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: Ready to go. I love it. Yeah, inspiring words for 380 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: your Monday morning. Thank you so much for taking us 381 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: through that. 382 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: Thanks Billy. 383 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: That's all for today's deep Dive. 384 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 3: We'll be back this afternoon with your evening headlines, but 385 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 3: until then, stay connected and have a good day. 386 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 387 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: Bungelung Calcuttin woman from Gadigol Country. 388 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: The Daily oz acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on 389 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: the lands of the Gadighl people and pays respect to 390 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island and nations. 391 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: We pay our respects to the first peoples of these countries, 392 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: both past and present.