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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about the situation from

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Speaker 1: the AFL's perspective. AFL NT Chairman Sean Bowden, Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Sean, Good morning Toty.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning. Sean, tell

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, as your listeners are were. It's a piece of

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Speaker 2: work that the IFL INTE started the year or so

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Speaker 2: We firmly believe the two things are complementary and in

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Speaker 2: many respects contingent upon each other. The football team becomes

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Speaker 2: almost the base tenant for the stadium, but the stadium of.

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Speaker 3: Courses a whole lot more.

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Speaker 2: And what we've been doing over the last six to

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Speaker 2: the Northern territory, just talking about how it might take

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Speaker 2: a lot of input from territorians who look to the southeast,

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Speaker 2: Australian teams play in them. Well, this is another option,

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Speaker 2: So you start to build a narrative around it and

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Speaker 2: So we're now thinking about moving to what I think

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Speaker 3: But so far we're moving, we think in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: We did just speak to Minister Kate Wharton, obviously an

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Speaker 1: do we need to make sure that we've firmed that

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Speaker 3: I think the two.

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Speaker 2: Run parallel, and you've used the analogy of the cart

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Speaker 3: Run parallel and they come together.

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Speaker 3: It's not in the city center. It's not activating the

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Speaker 2: So there's a very strong view in the territory community

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Speaker 1: Where exactly would it be, Well.

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Speaker 3: That drive every day.

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Speaker 2: There's a nice area of land there that is a

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Speaker 2: There's other options moving at the stadium, even looking further

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Speaker 2: I'm going to spend some time at the water front.

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Speaker 2: We're going to go across to the tee the Islands

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Speaker 1: Well, it certainly sounds like there is quite a bit

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Speaker 2: Well, at the moment, we're building on the basis of

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Speaker 2: Our handout to the government, and we're not asking the

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Speaker 2: In due course, realistically we're going to have to have

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Speaker 3: For the for the stadium.

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Speaker 2: With the IFL team, well that's the work that Minister

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Speaker 1: Is the reality san Is the reality going to be though?

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Speaker 2: It could be right, It could well be right about that,

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Speaker 2: a nineteenth team. Well, all the messaging on getting from

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, it's certainly interesting and I'm

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Speaker 3: Players are a really great role there.

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Speaker 2: And we look at the ovals that our people are

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Speaker 1: Well, Sean Bowden, it is always good to catch up

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Speaker 1: with you. We appreciate your time this morning. I think

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Speaker 1: you're out in Nullan Boil somewhere today.

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Speaker 3: I'm at nullen Boy Stadium.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the way from Ski Beach or Gleningra to

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Speaker 2: Yitklor and I've got a little bit of work to

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Speaker 2: do here today. But it's always terrific to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's one of the great things about

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Speaker 2: the territory that you could be doing these things. You'd

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Speaker 2: be talking about dah in the stadium, you can also

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Speaker 2: be talking about an Overallett, Ski Bee, Orgia Tarla and

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Speaker 2: working these things in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully, absolutely well. We appreciate you taking the time to

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Speaker 1: have a chat with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Sean.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you,