1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: It is just after ten thirty. 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: Now we've been contacted by quite a number of businesses 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: who are quite concerned about this mandate. 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: We know that it's kicking in. 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: Weill Friday is the last day that people have got 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: to be able to get that first vaccine, and then 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: obviously it kicks in from Saturday. Now. As I've said, 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: I know that I've had a lot of business people 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 2: get in contact me with me with their concerns, whether 10 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: they are actually against getting the vaccine themselves or whether 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: their employees don't want to get the vaccine. However you 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: look at it, it is going to have an. 13 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: Impact on them. 14 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: We did catch up with Greg Ireland, of course from 15 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: the Chamber of Commerce a bit earlier this morning, and 16 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: he had said that there's really you know that we're 17 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: not really going to know just how many businesses this 18 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: is going to impact until we actually until we get 19 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: to the weekend, I guess, so we'll have a better 20 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: idea by then. I know, you know, I've even just 21 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: had a message from another friend who has a business 22 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 2: who said that you know that they're in a situation 23 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: where they've just sort of been informed that it's not 24 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: only them who needs to be vaccinated, but those that 25 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: enter their business as well. So there's still a lot 26 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 2: of confusion I think for a lot of people at 27 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: this point in time. But there are a group of 28 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: business owners who have put together a bit of a campaign, 29 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: I think, it'd say, to try and make sure that 30 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: their voices are heard. Now, one of those business owners 31 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: joins me on the line right now, and it is 32 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: Mario Serbers. 33 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Mario. 34 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. 35 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: How are you yeah, really well mate. 36 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: Thank you very much for taking the time to have 37 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: a chat with me this morning. I know we've had 38 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: to move it around a couple of times due to 39 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: this press conference, so I appreciate your flexibility. 40 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: No, thank you for giving us the time. Lli. As 41 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: you said, we are a group of about four hundred 42 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: businesses at the moment, and that's been put together over 43 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: the last two weeks basically of independent businesses who don't 44 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: know where they stand. They see things at the moment 45 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: as really stemming from fundamentally a lack of leadership. They 46 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: are are saying to us that this has been poorly 47 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 3: thought out, it's been poorly rolled out, there's been no consultation, 48 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 3: and frankly, you know, leadership is all about having a 49 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: vision and bringing those people along with you, and that 50 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 3: certainly hasn't been the case so far. 51 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: So Mario, four hundred businesses. Do they sort of range 52 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: in scale from small to large. 53 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 3: Yes, we have all sorts of sized businesses. We have 54 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 3: those with you know, twenty thirty forty employees, some with more. 55 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 3: We have those who are one man band, and they're 56 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 3: all saying the same things. Fundamentally, they see this as 57 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: an issue that's going to affect them across the board, 58 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: not just themselves personally, whether they're vaxed or unvax But 59 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: as you said before, your friend, if your start aren't 60 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: fully vacked, have concerns. No one is taking that into 61 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: account and that has flow and effects for the businesses. 62 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: Another thing that hasn't been brought up, Katie, is that 63 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: the mandates force us as business owners to discriminate. They 64 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: force us to discriminate amongst our staff and amongst our 65 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 3: customer base. You know, anyone who's of indigenous heritage's class 66 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: is vulnerable, regardless of their vaccination status, regardless of their 67 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 3: physical health, and that has huge implications and ramifications for 68 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: every business in the territory. So you know, there's a 69 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: lot of anger and concern just on that one issue alone. 70 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: Mario, Can I ask and you know up to you 71 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: how much detail you go into from your business perspective. 72 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: I know that obviously your family owns a few businesses 73 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: from my understanding, but do you have any idea for 74 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: you sort of what percentage of staff are unvaccinated and 75 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: what impact it's going to have for you sort of 76 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: come the weekend once that that mandate kicks in. 77 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so across the board in our businesses, probably around 78 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: forty percent and not back and ate it. So that's 79 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: having huge implications across the board for all our businesses. Wow. 80 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: Now we are lucky enough that we have been able 81 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: to look at the actual text of the mandates and 82 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: try and come up with a plan to not have 83 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: to sack any of our staff. Mind you, Katie, you 84 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: know we're a local, family owned business. We've been in 85 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: business here for over thirty years and we've got staff 86 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: that have been with us for five, ten, fifteen, coming 87 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: up to twenty years. Those conversations where you have to 88 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: look someone in the eye and say sorry, mate, you 89 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: know I've got to force you to take something you 90 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: don't want to take that you have honest reservations of 91 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: and no one is giving you the time of day, 92 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: but come Friday, you're gone. That's a tough, tough conversation 93 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: to have. And it's not just my business. This is 94 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 3: every single one of the businesses in our group and 95 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 3: others who are reaching out day by day saying the 96 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: same thing. Maria. 97 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: I know that. 98 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: I asked the Chief Finister yesterday, like if he's concerned 99 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: about this actually sort of pitching business owners and employers 100 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: against their employees. 101 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: Does it feel a bit like that at the moment. 102 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: Look, I wouldn't say it feels like that. Every single 103 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 3: business owner who is part of our group has all 104 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 3: said the same thing, that they want to protect their 105 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: staff and they're scrambling trying to understand how they can 106 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: work within the Choe fifty five mandates and still keep 107 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: their key staff. So no one in this town is 108 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: trying to fight against their staff. Staff is so hard 109 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: to find at the moment, and it has been traditionally 110 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: in the territory. I mean, you've had plenty of conversations 111 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: over the years about the lack of skilled labor and 112 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: getting good employees. So why are we trying up this roadblock. Now, 113 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: there are other ways that we can deal with this. 114 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 3: No business in Darwin wants to see COVID coming to 115 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: their premises or amongst their staff or their families. But 116 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: this blanket mandate is not the solution. And there's been 117 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: no consultation and this is something that makes people very 118 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: scared and angry. And if we want to talk about 119 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: a health crisis, the mental health crisis is the real 120 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: emergency at the moment. We've got people who are about 121 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: to lose everything that they've worked years and years for. 122 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 3: They're losing staff, We're seeing families fighting with each other. 123 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 3: Who's talking about the increase in the potential suicide rate, 124 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: the family violence rate. You know, look at the social 125 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: unrest amongst our communities. All this has done is create 126 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: division when this is the time we should be coming together. 127 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: We are the territory. We are clever, we are resourceful, 128 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: we know how to find solutions. This blanket band doesn't 129 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: provide that option for any of the businesses in our group. 130 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: Mario, has the government communicated with you, will heard any 131 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: of the concerns that you guys have raised, Because I 132 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: know that it'd be really easy for them to just 133 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: sort of go, oh, no, we don't want to hear that. 134 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: You know, these people are anti vaccine. But have they 135 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: actually made any effort to try and hear from you 136 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 2: guys and those businesses that are part of this, you know, 137 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: this initiative. 138 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: No, they have made no effort to make contact with us. 139 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: I would say that it's been encouraging because personally, I'm 140 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: a member of other business groups, the more traditional groups, 141 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: and it's promising to see that they have started engaging 142 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: with business in a more concerted way. What was really 143 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: disappointing was, I think it was a couple of weeks 144 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 3: ago you had the Master Builders Association and a couple 145 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: of others basically come out and say we have heard 146 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: nothing from the government. For them to come out and 147 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: talk like that in public shows the level of contempt 148 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: this government had for business and business owners in this town. 149 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: Mario, I know that there's going to be some people 150 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: listening this morning saying, you know, Mario's just anti vaccine 151 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: and the peaceeople on that group or anti vaccine. What 152 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: would you say to those people listening this morning who 153 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: are thinking that, So. 154 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: What I would say is, we have no position on 155 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: the vaccine itself. As a group, we are a mix 156 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: of vaccinated unvaccinated, one jab, double jab, however you like 157 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: to phrase it. The issues that we are raising around 158 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: the lack of leadership, the fact that we're forced to discriminate, 159 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: that there's wild inconsistencies in the rollout of this mandate. 160 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: You know, Katie, I can be sacked tomorrow and the 161 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: next day I can come back to the same business. 162 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: Does the virus know my employment status? Is it that 163 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 3: clever that it can tell whether I'm an employee or 164 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 3: a customer. There's so many inconsistencies. The other thing that 165 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: isn't being spoken about, which is a real concern for 166 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: our membership, is the mental health situation. There's a real 167 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: breakdown in people's emotional state and that's going to have 168 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: repercussions not just to but for a long time to come, 169 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: and no one is speaking about that. 170 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: Mario, We're too from here for you and the other 171 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: business owners and other people who are really concerned about 172 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: the situation and wondering what's going to unfold come the weekend. 173 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: Well, our group is all about supporting, educating, advocating for 174 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 3: and also looking at all the legal aspects of these mandates. 175 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: So for our group, it's about providing as much information 176 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: and support as we can. We're also fairly well advanced 177 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: in looking at a legal action to try and declare 178 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: these mandates unlawful. So I would encourage anyone who has 179 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: concerns to reach out to us. We have our Facebook page, 180 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: United Empty Businesses, we have our website, United Empty Businesses 181 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: dot org. We are here to provide as much support 182 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: as we can. We don't discriminate whether you're vaccinated or 183 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: I'm vaccinated. That is not our concern. Our concern is 184 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: to provide support to empty businesses that are doing it 185 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 3: tough and for those who unfortunately will close their doors 186 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: come Friday. All we can do is provide as much 187 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 3: support as we can. Whether we can find alternative employment 188 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 3: for them within our group where the mandates do not apply, 189 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: that's something that we're looking at. So it's a difficult situation, Katie, 190 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: to be honest, and there's going to be a lot 191 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: of victims out of this. Mario. 192 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: Look, I know that some people are going to be 193 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: listening to this this morning and they're going to give 194 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: me shit for probably, you know, not being harder on 195 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: you or not having a crack at you, or they're 196 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: going to give me stick like they have been doing, 197 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: saying that you know that I'm on the other way 198 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: and I'm pro vaccine, and look, I've had the vaccine. 199 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: I'm very happy to wear my heart on my sleeve 200 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: and say that and say that I am pro getting 201 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: that vaccine. But again, I will say to you, you know, 202 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: what would you say to people out there this morning 203 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: who are thinking to themselves, no, you are just anti vaccine. 204 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: Well, I'll give you my personal position, yep. And this 205 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 3: is through my own research, on my own understanding and 206 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: how I see the lay of the land. If you're 207 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 3: vaccinated or unvaccinated, I don't want to know. That's your 208 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: personal decision, and that's how it should remain. We should 209 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: not be forced to check people's papers when they come 210 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: into our establishment. We should not be forced to have 211 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 3: to show our path to get a job or to 212 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 3: go to work and feed our families every day. What 213 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 3: we should be doing is looking at solutions that actually 214 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: target the vulnerable and those who are in a position 215 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: where the vaccine may be the best solution for them. Now, 216 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 3: that's my personal opinion, and as far as the membership 217 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: of our group. Like I said before, there's people who 218 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: are vaccinated double JAB, there's people who have the single JAB, 219 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 3: and there's people who aren't vaccinated. And we do not 220 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: have an official position on the vaccine itself. What we 221 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 3: see is what these mandates are doing to business people, 222 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: to their staff and their families. We're talking about real 223 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: people here, Katie, not statistics, real people, and it's devastating 224 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 3: to see the effects of these mandates on them. 225 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 2: Well, Mario, I really appreciate your time this morning. I 226 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: appreciate the respect that you've given to us and to me, 227 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 2: and we appreciate your point of view and articulating that 228 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 2: for all of our listeners. 229 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, and I'd like to thank you as 230 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: well for giving us a chance to speak up for 231 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: those who at the moment don't have a voice or 232 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 3: are too afraid to speak up. So thank you again, Mario. 233 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: We appreciate your time. Please let us know how you 234 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 2: go following on from the weekend as well. I'd be 235 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: keen to catch up again and get some further detail 236 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: that would be great. 237 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: Thank you.