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Speaker 1: and joining me on the line right now, Robin Lamley,

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Speaker 1: the Member Farara Lun good morning to you. Robin, Good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what here. I know it has been

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Speaker 1: a little while. It's good to good to hear your

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Speaker 1: voice now, Robin. Yesterday in Parliament, were you surprised by

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Speaker 1: the government's move to well make these changes to the

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Speaker 1: scrutiny committees and also cut back the number of questions

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Speaker 1: that can be asked by opposition and independent members.

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Speaker 2: No, I wasn't surprised, Katie. I had been given the

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Speaker 2: heads up by a few of the government members that

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Speaker 2: this was this distinct possibility. Look, it's a great shame

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Speaker 2: for democracy in the Northern Territory. The scrutiny committees were

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Speaker 2: set up in twenty seventeen and they really have transformed

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Speaker 2: and improved the way we do business in the anti Parliament,

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Speaker 2: but by providing another way of scrutinizing government and making

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Speaker 2: sure that the legislation that we pass is the right legislation,

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Speaker 2: so terra to in so yesterday them scrapping it with

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Speaker 2: a mayor step back to the Northern Territory, very very disappointing, Robin.

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Speaker 1: Is it just tough cookies for you and for you know,

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Speaker 1: those others that are in opposition. I mean they've got

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Speaker 1: the majority, they get to make the decisions on what happens.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look it is. It's always tough cookies. You know,

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Speaker 2: the government has the first and final say on everything.

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Speaker 2: But you know, this was a government that came in

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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen with all these great ideas and commitment

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Speaker 2: the parliament, opening up the Parliament to the people, and

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Speaker 2: now they've just done this monumental backflip, demonstrating that you know,

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Speaker 2: once you've been in government for a while, the arrogance

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Speaker 2: just creeps in. So you know, it's a change in

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Speaker 2: their approach. I think they're scared. I think that now

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Speaker 2: you've got this strong eight member CLP opposition. I really

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Speaker 2: think they're fearful of being scrutinized. They have a heck

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Speaker 2: of a lot to hide, eight point two billion dollar

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Speaker 2: debt with nothing to show for it. You've got the

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Speaker 2: budget in November, estimates in December. I think the thought

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Speaker 2: of being scrutinized by this wonderful Scrutiny committee structure that

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Speaker 2: they put in place is probably just all too much

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Speaker 2: for them. So they're running away, they're hiding and to

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Speaker 2: the detriment of democracy in the Northern Territory. I really

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Speaker 2: believe that Robin, there.

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Speaker 1: Will be some people listening this morning who will just

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Speaker 1: think to themselves, Okay, well, Leofanocchiro is the opposition leader.

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Speaker 1: You are a member of Territory Alliance, so you're in

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Speaker 1: opposition as well. You know, you guys are just unehappy

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Speaker 1: because it means that you're taken off these committees or

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Speaker 1: that you know that things are changing. But you know,

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Speaker 1: to those out there who are really thinking, how does

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Speaker 1: this impact my life, or how does this impact me

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Speaker 1: as a Territori and how does it.

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Speaker 2: So the Scrutiny committee structure was set up to allow

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Speaker 2: people to anticipate basically every piece of legislation that came

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Speaker 2: before the committees, and that was most ninety percent of

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Speaker 2: legislation before the Parliament went to the committees, and most

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Speaker 2: of those pieces of legislation, the committees invited the community

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Speaker 2: to comment and to be a part of the process.

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Speaker 2: I just read the annual Report of the Social Policy

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Speaker 2: Scrutiny Committee, which was one of two of the committees

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Speaker 2: that we had. It says that eighty nine percent of

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Speaker 2: the committee's proposed amendments and recommendations were subsequently accepted by

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Speaker 2: the government. So what these committees did was improved the legislation,

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Speaker 2: made it better, made it more reflective of what territories

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Speaker 2: want to meet. So it was really making our lives better,

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Speaker 2: because laws make our lives better, or should make our

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Speaker 2: lives better. So the Scrutiny Committee process added to that.

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Speaker 2: The average person won't know to do ferends, but you know,

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Speaker 2: our job is to make sure as legislators that the

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Speaker 2: best possible laws come about. And without this process in place,

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Speaker 2: there'll be a loss because it will all be about

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Speaker 2: the government's the government and what they decide. Discrepeny committees

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Speaker 2: were allowed to participate in changing the legislation. Robert would

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Speaker 2: have happened?

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Speaker 1: Would it means something like the you know, the pet

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Speaker 1: legislation that was so controversial when they announced that they

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Speaker 2: Scrutiny potentially, And that's a great example. I mean that

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Speaker 2: caused outrage right rather a Northern Territory people were very

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Speaker 2: generally unhappy, got a lot of that legislation, and the

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Speaker 2: government responded to that they had to. But if the

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Speaker 2: scrutiny committees weren't in place looking at that, that might

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Speaker 2: have gone straight through to the Keeper, just through Parliament

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Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory, we have what just one chamber.

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Speaker 2: Most other parliaments apart from Queensland and the Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: of the fact that we only have one chamber. It

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Speaker 2: to solely a single chae chamber, which is a great shame.

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Speaker 2: Queensland is the other system that has a unicameral system

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Speaker 2: one chamber. They have a very elaborate, very complex scrutiny

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Speaker 2: They haven't thrown theirs out because it's got too hard.

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Speaker 2: Only the Northern Territory has done this. Yeah, we step backwards, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I know it's probably hard for people people who don't

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Speaker 2: for another opportunity for legislation to be looked at very

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Speaker 2: closely by not just the people on the committee, but

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Speaker 2: the whole community. And it really did work well. It

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Speaker 2: transformed the Parliament. It really really did rob and I

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Speaker 2: think it's a great shame that this government has gone

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up. We're very

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Speaker 1: pressed for time, but I do want to ask you

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Speaker 1: have you made a decision yet about whether you're going

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Speaker 1: to stay with Territory Alliance.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm contemplating what my future is, Katie. It's a

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Speaker 2: difficult decision. It took me a while to become a

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Speaker 2: member of Territory Alliance and to decide to leave is

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Speaker 2: another big decision. So I'm just taking a bit of

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Speaker 2: the people of Alice Springs who are.

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Speaker 1: What are they saying to you at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, I don't think many people voted for me

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Speaker 2: because I was a member of Territory Alliance. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I don't think many people at all vote for me

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Speaker 2: to be a really strong representative for them. And you know,

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Speaker 2: Territory Alliance really doesn't sort of factor into to their

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Speaker 2: concerns generally. But you know, I still have to consider

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Speaker 2: It did fil essentially in the election, and you know,

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Speaker 2: there's not not a whole lot left in terms of

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Speaker 2: take in all the factors and make a decision at

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Speaker 2: some point.

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Speaker 1: Well, Robin, we will see you.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see you on Friday morning for the week

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Speaker 1: that was, so we might talk to you a bit

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Speaker 1: more about it.

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Speaker 2: Then.

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Speaker 1: Good on, Rob, good to catch up. Thank you. That's

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Speaker 1: Robin Lanley there, who is the member for ra luin

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Speaker 1: still Territory Alliance at this point in time, but who

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Speaker 1: knows for how long