Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say
Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and
Speaker 1: Sophie Torba.
Speaker 2: We're identical triplets, so.
Speaker 1: We often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can
Speaker 1: get heated. Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment.
Speaker 2: And issues facing women.
Speaker 1: That is so app fetch, thank you, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Outspoken Now. It hasn't been a great week for influences
Speaker 1: in the wild. Two have been caught out this week
Speaker 1: without their debit cards or purses while trying to buy items.
Speaker 1: So the first was Molly May and she drove twenty
Speaker 1: minutes from her house to get McDonald's, only to discover
Speaker 1: she had forgotten to bring her purse. And to add
Speaker 1: insult to injury, she had her period and was really
Speaker 1: craving McDonald's. And she also tried to purchase the meal
Speaker 1: on her Apple pay and it got rejected. So I
Speaker 1: always feel so embarrassed when my credit card gets declined,
Speaker 1: so I think she was just an absolute ball of nerves.
Speaker 1: She ended up having to ring her manager to ask
Speaker 1: what to do in the situation, and her manager was like, well,
Speaker 1: why don't you check your car to see if you've
Speaker 1: got any coins in it.
Speaker 2: So that's what she did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was able to scrounge five pound twenty so
Speaker 1: she did manage to get a meal. But the funniest
Speaker 1: thing was she seemed really self conscious on what the
Speaker 1: person at McDonald's, the one who was serving her, was thinking.
Speaker 1: And I just thought the whole time, can you imagine
Speaker 1: if you were that kid at McDonald's and you recognize
Speaker 1: Molly May and she's been coppying all this shit for
Speaker 1: her insensitive twenty four hours in a day comment. The
Speaker 1: funniest bit is she's in her massive, expensive car and
Speaker 1: she's obviously filming herself too, So I really wonder what
Speaker 1: the boy that served her was thinking. If it was me,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'm not giving.
Speaker 2: This woman a meal for free. She can obviously afford it.
Speaker 1: Don't you love how much money you can actually scrounge
Speaker 1: in your car when you really need to, Like, I'm
Speaker 1: always shocked when I'm ever in that situation where I
Speaker 1: need to pay for a parking ticket or something and
Speaker 1: the amount of extra dollars you have lying around the car.
Speaker 2: Straight, No, I feel like we.
Speaker 1: Need to go to grab from Molly May because her
Speaker 1: reaction to the whole ordeal was hilarious.
Speaker 3: I left my money at home. I left my money
Speaker 3: at home.
Speaker 4: I'm so embarrassed. I'm actually so embarrassed.
Speaker 2: That was so embarrassing.
Speaker 3: The poor boy, the poor boy was just staring at me, like,
Speaker 3: what do you want me to do about a hunt?
Speaker 3: Like I'm not giving you a frame with donald Oh dude, Jesus,
Speaker 3: that was embarrassing. Okay, okay, I just got a new
Speaker 3: card and I just added it to my my phone.
Speaker 3: But it didn't work. It didn't work.
Speaker 4: Such too fair.
Speaker 3: Some places don't accept this type of card. So now
Speaker 3: I was like, is this God telling me that maybe
Speaker 3: I don't need him at Donalds to night?
Speaker 1: Do you think this is how you guys would react,
Speaker 1: because I have been in that instance. Actually today I
Speaker 1: forgot my Booper card at the Optic and I was
Speaker 1: so embarrassed, Like, I thought, do I go back?
Speaker 2: But I feel like when it.
Speaker 1: Comes to a meal and you're really craving it, I
Speaker 1: would go back and suffer the embarrassment. Well, she did
Speaker 1: say to the Matt Donald's worker, Oh, can you just
Speaker 1: put that to the side. I will come back and
Speaker 1: to be honest, I've done that before at the supermarket
Speaker 1: where my card hasn't gone through and I've said no, no,
Speaker 1: I'll come back, and i haven't come back out of
Speaker 1: pure embarrassment. Well, the other influencer who had a similar
Speaker 1: situation this week was Sarah's Dye Now. She did a
Speaker 1: huge shop at chemist Warehouse for essentials to prepare for
Speaker 1: the birth of her baby, which is coming up in
Speaker 1: the next few weeks, and she went to the counter
Speaker 1: and realized that she also had no card. And what
Speaker 1: I loved was she lied and said she was going
Speaker 1: to the car to see if her wallet was in
Speaker 1: the car, But she was just doing that because she
Speaker 1: wanted to leave the embarrassing situation and did not go
Speaker 1: back in.
Speaker 3: I've actually forgotten my money. But I've got this. This
Speaker 3: might work, it might not. Can you can I hold
Speaker 3: my older because I will actually come back. What time
Speaker 3: do you shut?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll come back. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Sophiicacia and Mia Plask's latest business venture has hit a
Speaker 1: hurdle on its first launch. Their gender neutral cosmetic brand
Speaker 1: of Suru was forced to apologize after the former Mummy
Speaker 1: bloggers shared a video of herself undertaking quality control in
Speaker 1: their warehouse. In the video, she has seen maskless and
Speaker 1: gloveless as she rubs her nose with lipstick in her hand.
Speaker 1: Before we get into the drama, Cake, can you tell
Speaker 1: us about Sophie and MIA's new business?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, just for.
Speaker 1: Some background, Sophie Kaisha, as we said, is a former
Speaker 1: mummy vlogger turned entrepreneur who runs a successful pajama brand
Speaker 1: called Kasha. And as for me, she is a founder
Speaker 1: and CEO of Slick Hair Company. Now. They both have
Speaker 1: had their fair share of controversies, so much so that
Speaker 1: Sophie Kisha tried to distance herself from Mia Plastic last
Speaker 1: year after the Slickstick owner shared her anti vax views. Now,
Speaker 1: despite the little hiccup, the pair have joined forces to
Speaker 1: launch a new gender neutral cosmetic brand called.
Speaker 2: Is Suru Now.
Speaker 1: The word is Suru is Japanese and translates to mean
Speaker 1: to love, to care for, to have affection for. Brand's
Speaker 1: motto is beauty for all humans, and they list their
Speaker 1: values as inclusivity, visibility, and acceptance in the mainstream market now,
Speaker 1: the brand says that they're here to disrupt the market
Speaker 1: and want every human to embrace self expression at any age.
Speaker 1: On the website, it says one dollar from every sale
Speaker 1: of a product will be donated to a selected charity,
Speaker 1: with it alternating every six months. Now. When I took
Speaker 1: a look at their website, it was very inclusive and
Speaker 1: featured images of trans women, non binary people, and older women. However,
Speaker 1: when it comes to their brand, I don't really think
Speaker 1: it's on point.
Speaker 2: It kind of looks a little bit.
Speaker 1: Like a tech brand, and a member of our Facebook
Speaker 1: group actually pointed out that the website looks like the
Speaker 1: big W website and when you do have a look,
Speaker 1: you cannot unsee it. It just really has big W vibes,
Speaker 1: which seems odd for a cosmetics company. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: really appears that Sophie and Mia are jumping on board
Speaker 1: this gender neutral beauty trend, which is really big in
Speaker 1: the market. So brands that are already doing a great
Speaker 1: job of it so far. Our YouTuber Patrick Stars brand
Speaker 1: one Size, along with we Are Fluid two Deep Beauty,
Speaker 1: and also Rhianna's fenty Now. The first launch featured three
Speaker 1: nude lipsticks which cost thirty four to ninety five each
Speaker 1: or eighty nine ninety five for a pack of three,
Speaker 1: and I was really surprised that they went with nude
Speaker 1: lipsticks to start with because the term nude in the
Speaker 1: makeup world is considered a light skin color, so for me,
Speaker 1: the term doesn't really seem on brand, considering they're trying
Speaker 1: to push inclusivity. And it also did surprise me that
Speaker 1: their first product was a lipstick, considering we have to
Speaker 1: wear masks in public now.
Speaker 2: Do you know what?
Speaker 1: Though, it could be a case of Sophie and Me
Speaker 1: are banking on the lipstick effect. So for those who
Speaker 1: haven't heard about it, the theory is that consumers are
Speaker 1: willing to buy less costly luxury goods.
Speaker 2: During an economic crisis.
Speaker 1: So basically, instead of buying a designer handbag, people are
Speaker 1: more willing to buy an expensive lipstick instead. And during
Speaker 1: a lot of the economic declines, we have seen that
Speaker 1: lipstick sales have gone up a lot, so maybe they're
Speaker 1: banking on this being the case for the pandemic. I
Speaker 1: would assume though, ellipstick would be a good beauty item
Speaker 1: to test as well, because it wouldn't be that expensive
Speaker 1: to have made. And if you look at what Me
Speaker 1: has done previously with the slickstick that was a white
Speaker 1: label product, that she just needed to put her branding on.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if this lipstick is also a white label product,
Speaker 1: it's the easiest.
Speaker 2: One to push ower.
Speaker 1: What's interesting you say that, Amy, because they're touting their
Speaker 1: products as Australian made, cruelty free, vegan and obviously they
Speaker 1: think by saying that they can put the thirty five
Speaker 1: dollar price mark, because thirty five dollars.
Speaker 2: Is very expensive for ellipstick.
Speaker 1: But is this their target audience the people that follow them,
Speaker 1: because they seem to be going for a very woke audience.
Speaker 1: But I feel like a lot of woke people don't
Speaker 1: particularly like me A plastic and Sophicacia. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: thinking the same thing, and when I did a little
Speaker 1: bit of a research into gender neutral cosmetics, it really
Speaker 1: seems like it's the up and coming thing and something
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are jumping on board with, which.
Speaker 2: Is really really great.
Speaker 1: However, I was surprised with the branding because it's very
Speaker 1: avert that, oh, this is a product for everyone, whereas
Speaker 1: someone like Fenti, their messaging is more subtle. It's just
Speaker 1: very inclusive language, and I don't know, I personally thought
Speaker 1: that more being subtle about it would be better marketing
Speaker 1: to make it feel like this is just an everyday,
Speaker 1: every human thing. It seems more genuine, doesn't it the
Speaker 1: fente branding. But we've seen the likes of James Charles
Speaker 1: be the face of cosmetic brands, and I think it's
Speaker 1: a space that has been evolving quite a lot. So
Speaker 1: it's not something that you need to be so overt with.
Speaker 1: It's more something that you bring into your marketing and think, hey,
Speaker 1: we've actually got these two demographics that we can market to.
Speaker 1: How do we do that while being authentic. What does
Speaker 1: seem to have overshadowed this launch, though, is an Instagram
Speaker 1: story that Sophie Keisha shared this week.
Speaker 2: Now. She shared a.
Speaker 1: Video of herself quality testing lipsticks before they were packed
Speaker 1: and shipped. In the video, she explains that she is
Speaker 1: individually going through ten thousand lipsticks to ensure there are
Speaker 1: no duds now. In the vision, Sophie is not wearing
Speaker 1: a mask, gloves, or hairnet and is seen wiping her
Speaker 1: nose with a lipstick in her hand.
Speaker 2: I couldn't help but laugh at this video.
Speaker 1: It's pretty ironic because the video is captioned something I
Speaker 1: learned from my business partner Acacia is the importance of
Speaker 1: quality control. Now, it doesn't seem like too much quality
Speaker 1: control is going into place if you are actually wiping
Speaker 1: your nose with the product, not actually wearing safety equipment,
Speaker 1: particularly in a pandemic. When I saw that, I just thought,
Speaker 1: what on earth is she thinking? What possessed her to
Speaker 1: post this video? Well?
Speaker 2: Where was anybody telling her within her team? Hate? I
Speaker 2: think this is a really good idea.
Speaker 1: Well. The video has caused a lot of backlash, with
Speaker 1: many people asking ISUU for a statement on their safety breach,
Speaker 1: and they did reply to some of the concerns on Instagram.
Speaker 1: One of their responses read as a small new business,
Speaker 1: we have definitely taken this on board and reached out
Speaker 1: to a manufacturers who gave us the best practices to
Speaker 1: use moving forward. So then on Wednesday, they took it
Speaker 1: a step further and shared a post on their Instagram
Speaker 1: story which read, the team at Asuru would like to
Speaker 1: acknowledge the concerns of our customers regarding a video that
Speaker 1: was shared this week by one of our company directors.
Speaker 1: We acknowledge that this wasn't the best practice nor aligned
Speaker 1: with our policies and procedures. Surrounding the safe handling of products.
Speaker 1: Working in partnership with our contract manufacturers, we have reinforced
Speaker 1: the strict processes and protocols to our staff members to
Speaker 1: ensure mistakes like this aren't made again. It is important
Speaker 1: to note that the specific batch of lipsticks handled that
Speaker 1: morning have been disposed of. We thank you for your feedback. Now,
Speaker 1: do you guys actually think that the lipsticks were disposed of? Well,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of lipsticks, isn't it If it was
Speaker 1: ten thousand that Sophie went through, particularly for a startup, Yeah,
Speaker 1: particularly for someone that in the comments has said we
Speaker 1: are a new business and we are learning. You don't
Speaker 1: think that. Like usually with a first drop, you only
Speaker 1: purchase a small amount of products to see how it goes.
Speaker 1: So I'm questioning did they actually really dispose of the
Speaker 1: products or did they dispose of the products? Are only
Speaker 1: Sophie touched? Meaning did she just put that video up
Speaker 1: for a bit of a flex saying that she's looking
Speaker 1: through all the lipsticks, but in fact she's only really
Speaker 1: quality controlled two of them. So they've just got rid
Speaker 1: of those lies. I want to see the lipsticks being
Speaker 1: disposed of. If this actually and if it was ten
Speaker 1: thousand or I mean, it seems like a real waste,
Speaker 1: doesn't it, Like surely they could have gifted them to
Speaker 1: family and friends.
Speaker 2: Well, when they.
Speaker 1: Say disposed of, they probably have just given them to
Speaker 1: family and friends. You probably hit the nail on the
Speaker 1: head there. I did think it was also quite embarrassing
Speaker 1: how they said that in the statement we've had to
Speaker 1: reinforce the strict process and protocols to our staff members,
Speaker 1: particularly when the staff member in question is one of
Speaker 1: the directors of the company who is trying to flex
Speaker 1: and say she s had so much experience with their
Speaker 1: pajama brand. Oh, it was also embarrassing and really not
Speaker 1: a very good first impression for a brand who is
Speaker 1: trying to position themselves in the market as a luxury
Speaker 1: cosmetic brand.
Speaker 2: With thirty five dollars.
Speaker 1: Lipsticks, and if we do some quick maths, if they
Speaker 1: had to get rid of ten thousand of the lipsticks
Speaker 1: priced at thirty four ninety five, that's three hundred and
Speaker 1: forty nine, five hundred dollars of lost revenue. I do
Speaker 1: find this all very ironic that this has come from
Speaker 1: Sophie Kaisha sharing a post trying to convince consumers about
Speaker 1: her brand's quality control.
Speaker 2: I will forget each and every one of you almost immediately.
Speaker 4: So if you do find yourself at a loose end
Speaker 4: next year, I think it might be nice to pop
Speaker 4: in and see how we're getting on.
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Speaker 4: Ill our Fish, Jiptum Monkey beat.
Speaker 1: Fresh from selling his Gold Coast mansion, it appears Mitch
Speaker 1: Orville is now the part owner of a takeaway store. Sophie,
Speaker 1: what do we know so far about Mitch's new venture. Well,
Speaker 1: On Wednesday, a photo of Mitch posing outside Shack Takeaway
Speaker 1: appeared on the store's new Instagram account. The caption read,
Speaker 1: the Shack Takeaway owners, we are so excited to see
Speaker 1: you all very soon once we are open. From Reno's
Speaker 1: keep your eyes peeled now. The store is part of
Speaker 1: the popular Nobby's Beach Strip near Mermaid Beach on the
Speaker 1: Gold Coast, and it was quite interesting to take a
Speaker 1: look at their Instagram account because it shows that Jiglio
Speaker 1: Construction is actually renovating the inside of the store. Now
Speaker 1: that name might sound familiar to you because they also
Speaker 1: renovated the Orvil's house. So many people are wondering how
Speaker 1: hands on Mitch's role will be in this business, and
Speaker 1: some have speculated that he may be an investor or
Speaker 1: financial backer. I mean, I'm assuming he's not going to
Speaker 1: be making the juices there. No, I don't think we'll
Speaker 1: see him front of house. And it is interesting when
Speaker 1: you do take a look at the other three owners
Speaker 1: pictured in the photo, because two of the part owners
Speaker 1: are a married couple who already run a successful juice
Speaker 1: bar and superfood store in the same precinct called Nobby's Shack.
Speaker 1: Also pictured is the CEO of Jiglio Construction, who, as
Speaker 1: I mentioned, is doing the renovations on the takeaway store.
Speaker 1: So it's quite interesting because I feel like the CEO
Speaker 1: and Mitch must be taking more of a strategic approach
Speaker 1: towards the takeaway business. I'm really wondering what's going to
Speaker 1: be on the menu at this takeaway store. I think
Speaker 1: they should sell an iconic smashed avo and fitter toast.
Speaker 1: Remember Mitch chanting down on that one of his iconic
Speaker 1: YouTube video.
Speaker 2: The side of chilled moon water or something like that. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's not going to.
Speaker 1: Be your typical fast food restaurant. It is interesting because
Speaker 1: if you look at the owners who own Nobby's Shack,
Speaker 1: they also run a cafe that serves immune boosting juices
Speaker 1: and also very nourishing food, So I think it will
Speaker 1: be along the same line of that. Does anyone else
Speaker 1: feel quite happy for Mitch because I feel like this
Speaker 1: is a really good move from him. He's gone off
Speaker 1: social media, He's starting this business. Yeah. I think starting
Speaker 1: a new business, particularly one in hospitality, isn't an easy task,
Speaker 1: and I do think it is great that instead of
Speaker 1: staying in that social media world, which is clearly making
Speaker 1: him incredibly unhappy, he's going and looking at new opportunities.
Speaker 1: And I think that he would do a.
Speaker 2: Great job with this restaurant.
Speaker 1: I mean, so this is the big opportunity then that
Speaker 1: the real estate agent was hinting at, because remember when
Speaker 1: they sold their house, they said, oh, they're moving on
Speaker 1: to bigger and better things. It does make me think
Speaker 1: I wonder if Mitch is going to jump back on
Speaker 1: social media to promote this or if he's just going
Speaker 1: to keep it organic, because I suppose it's not like
Speaker 1: a retail thing where you can get your followers to
Speaker 1: buy your products. It's very much you have to be
Speaker 1: on the Gold Coast in the Knobby's precinct area. Well,
Speaker 1: I think because it is a takeaway store, it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like at the moment that it's a huge franchise.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably just something that he wants to
Speaker 1: take a step back and dip his toe in the
Speaker 1: water of running a business. Obviously, he loves the lifestyle.
Speaker 2: It's right near the beach.
Speaker 1: If I was his business partners though, I'd be saying
Speaker 1: get back on social media, let's do a bit of
Speaker 1: promotion to get people down there.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Since the news broke, there has been some discussion around
Speaker 1: whether Mitch's vaccination status will affect his role at the
Speaker 1: cafe because currently in Queensland, rule state that only vaccinated
Speaker 1: staff and patrons will be allowed to enter hospitality venues
Speaker 1: such as cafes, restaurants and fast food outlets. However, it
Speaker 1: does outline that vaccination isn't required for pays entering food courts.
Speaker 2: So I do wonder if.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of a loophole here for Mitch's venue,
Speaker 1: because it does outline on the Instagram account that it
Speaker 1: is a takeaway only store.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would probably be the loophole.
Speaker 1: Well, that being said, the vaccine mandate is currently under
Speaker 1: review by the Queensland government, so it looks like authorities
Speaker 1: are set to make a call on whether they will
Speaker 1: scrap those measures at the end of the month. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it should be really interesting. But I just want to
Speaker 1: wish Mitch well because I think this is a really
Speaker 1: exciting new venture for him and I'd love to see
Speaker 1: him succeed offline and you know, bring that happiness back
Speaker 1: because he clearly wasn't happy when he was online earlier.
Speaker 3: Hi, guys, welcome back to my channel. I hope you're
Speaker 3: all doing wow. So for today's video, I'm coming to
Speaker 3: you with a Valentine's Day inspired it gets ready with me.
Speaker 1: On Monday, social media was a wash with Valentine's Day
Speaker 1: posts as influencers shared their loved up moments. Now, have
Speaker 1: you guys noticed there seems to be three types of
Speaker 1: couples on Valentine's Day? So firstly you've got the ones
Speaker 1: that go overboard, then there's the ones that send the
Speaker 1: obligatory flowers, and then there are those who don't sell
Speaker 1: braided at all. Where do you guys fit on this scale?
Speaker 1: I feel like Amy you were incredibly thoughtful this year
Speaker 1: with Valentine's Day, because I do think as a woman,
Speaker 1: it is difficult to think of a Valentine's Day gift
Speaker 1: for a man. But I feel like you nailed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did a chocolate and beer bouquet because I felt
Speaker 1: bad because Dale always gets me really nice flowers each year,
Speaker 1: and then I never know what to get him.
Speaker 2: So the year before I got him.
Speaker 1: A bottle of wine and it just felt a bit flat.
Speaker 2: So I did make the effort.
Speaker 1: I feel like girls are a bit more thoughtful with
Speaker 1: some of the stuff they give because you actually made
Speaker 1: that book. Yeah you've missed that point because you've got
Speaker 1: a reel on our Instagram account of you putting it together.
Speaker 1: And I was very impressed because really those type of
Speaker 1: baskets can cost a lot of money if you buy
Speaker 1: if you outsource it, but I'm assuming it was a
Speaker 1: little bit cheaper. Do you know Dale has already eaten
Speaker 1: all of the chocolates from how many ways. It's so
Speaker 1: funny because I put it. I put the bouquet outside
Speaker 1: our room and it sort of sat there for the
Speaker 1: whole week. And the whole week it's we're recording on
Speaker 1: a Thursday, Valentine's I was on a Monday four days
Speaker 1: so to get the chocolates to stand up, I had
Speaker 1: to hot glue gun skewers onto the back of chocolates.
Speaker 2: And today I looked and there were just.
Speaker 1: All these empty skewers that were still in the bouquet.
Speaker 1: I reckon.
Speaker 2: I was about.
Speaker 1: Fifteen chocolate bars. They were king size as well. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of chocolate, and there was fair rashers there.
Speaker 2: I think there's two of those left.
Speaker 1: See for me, I felt a little bit bad at
Speaker 1: seeing you do that because I didn't really go overboard.
Speaker 1: I feel like Reese and I more are in that
Speaker 1: category of the obligatory flowers, because Reees got me a
Speaker 1: beautiful bunch of roses and a card, and then I
Speaker 1: got him a rose like standing up rose bush because
Speaker 1: we really want to put them down the side of
Speaker 1: our house. What about you, Sophie, I feel like you're
Speaker 1: you and Brandon fall into the overboard category. Oh I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say overboard, but okay, hang on. If you don't
Speaker 1: say overboard, then what did you What have you got?
Speaker 1: The last two years of Valentine's Days?
Speaker 2: Actually that Yeah, it was a bit over the top
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 1: But it's not over the top in the sense of
Speaker 1: over the top romantic.
Speaker 2: It's more the we seem to buy each other large.
Speaker 1: Scale gifts as opposed to something expensive gifts as opposed
Speaker 1: to something that's romantic. So for Valentine's Day last year,
Speaker 1: Brandon did buy me an expensive lens for my camera.
Speaker 1: And then this year he bought me some sand shoes
Speaker 1: and he did do the flame shoes.
Speaker 2: You sound like you're eighty years old. What Nike Nikes?
Speaker 1: And then a bag of chocolates and flowers and stuff bag.
Speaker 2: Of chocolate, well a little a gift bag.
Speaker 1: That had chocolates in it anyway, So it was very,
Speaker 1: just very And I did buy him a basketball ring
Speaker 1: last year as.
Speaker 2: Well, so I did, so it was a little bit
Speaker 2: over the Time's Day.
Speaker 1: Yes I did, because he bought me this expensive lens
Speaker 1: and I felt bad. So basically, your Valentine's Day is
Speaker 1: kind of like Christmas.
Speaker 2: And Birthday gifts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if we were to crown the most over
Speaker 1: the top Valentine's Day celebration online, sorry, Sophie, you and
Speaker 1: Brannon don't actually win. It's actually Tommy Fury and Molly
Speaker 1: may A second year in a row. So Tommy put
Speaker 1: men around the world to shame by absolutely spoiling Molly May.
Speaker 1: So he arranged for a car to collect her and
Speaker 1: took her to a five star hotel in London, And
Speaker 1: when she arrived, the room was full of love heart
Speaker 1: balloons and there was a huge bouquet of white roses
Speaker 1: sitting on the bed. They then went off to a
Speaker 1: meal to celebrate. Now, this to me sounds like what
Speaker 1: a perfect Valentine's Day? Would you guys want that? I
Speaker 1: have always had a dream of someone putting balloons in
Speaker 1: a room like that. For me, probably from seeing Molly
Speaker 1: May stories. I always thought if I was to get proposed,
Speaker 1: which obviously has happened, but I would love someone to
Speaker 1: fill the room with balloons like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it didn't happen. I didn't throw any hints.
Speaker 1: Of that, but I think it looked spectacular did It
Speaker 1: just made me think there must be a whole load
Speaker 1: of young girls who follow Molly on Instagram and also Tommy,
Speaker 1: and they must think that this is just sort of
Speaker 1: a typical Valentine's Day, and they're going to be very
Speaker 1: disappointed when they get older and they get the boyfriend
Speaker 1: that gets them the servo station roses, Well, we do
Speaker 1: have to remember there are only twenty two. I do
Speaker 1: wonder what they'll be doing for one another on Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day in ten years time. The skeptic in me wonders, though,
Speaker 1: are they just doing it for social media and for appearances,
Speaker 1: because there's so much speculation around whether they're together and
Speaker 1: if they don't post something, people think they've broken up,
Speaker 1: and it almost seems like they have to put on
Speaker 1: showy stuff to prove that they are in love. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more pressure on the boyfriends of Instagram
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day, isn't there because everyone's sort of waiting
Speaker 1: to see what they get. But Molly also spoiled Tommy.
Speaker 1: She made him a photo album filled with handwritten notes
Speaker 1: about their relationship, and eagle eyed fans spotted another sign
Speaker 1: that the pair are serious about having kids. So Molly's
Speaker 1: message read, one day we will have our own family.
Speaker 1: It'll be the best day of my life. Bring on,
Speaker 1: Mum and dad life. So this follows a Q and
Speaker 1: A where Molly revealed she doesn't use contraception and relies
Speaker 1: on the Flow app to track her fertility. And in
Speaker 1: a recent vlog, the vlog we mentioned earlier about McDonald's,
Speaker 1: she confided that she thought she may have been pregnant
Speaker 1: after her period was four days late, but a test
Speaker 1: confirmed she wasn't. Now the Love Island couple that brought
Speaker 1: us back down to reality was Milly and and they
Speaker 1: were celebrating their first Valentine's Day together. Now it was
Speaker 1: in stark contrast to the celebration that we saw Molly
Speaker 1: and Tommy have. So Milly informed us on Valentine's Day
Speaker 1: morning that she'd given Liam some after shave, and when
Speaker 1: she passed that present over, it was quite clear that
Speaker 1: he had completely forgotten that it was Valentine's Day, and
Speaker 1: he did a dash to Testo to pick up some flowers,
Speaker 1: which looked pretty average. Apparently he also picked up some
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day pens as well to add to it pens
Speaker 1: and also a little dessert. So he was clearly trying hard.
Speaker 1: And we you have to remember he is only twenty one,
Speaker 1: even though he looks about thirty five.
Speaker 2: He is a.
Speaker 1: Twenty one year old boy, and most twenty one year
Speaker 1: old boys are completely.
Speaker 2: Hopeless, so he clearly didn't think about the gram.
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't thinking about the ground, but he kind
Speaker 1: of made me love them as a couple more because
Speaker 1: Milli later shared a post saying, it's not about expensive
Speaker 1: gifts and you know, gestures the fact that they can
Speaker 1: spend the day together just chilling out watching TV. That's
Speaker 1: what's important to them, just spending time together. Girlfriend says,
Speaker 1: who doesn't receive a big budge her, Yes, I think
Speaker 1: the most awkward thing with the influence of boyfriends who
Speaker 1: forget is the fact that all the brands send their
Speaker 1: girlfriends really.
Speaker 2: Over the top thing.
Speaker 1: So you see all those like smash Box Loollie Cakes
Speaker 1: and all this really extravagant stuff, and it's just like,
Speaker 1: oh God, the brand could even remember and new could.
Speaker 1: So another love islander who made us all feel a
Speaker 1: little bit better on Valentine's Day was Olivia Attwood. So
Speaker 1: she shared a screenshot of a text message exchange between
Speaker 1: her and her soccer player fiance Brad Dak. Olivia's message read, Brad,
Speaker 1: I'm so angry. I feel like I'm going to pass out.
Speaker 1: Are you actually joking with that top room? There are
Speaker 1: holes all over the fucking door. What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: She then captured it in case anybody is feeling bad
Speaker 1: about being single today. Olivia went on to explain that
Speaker 1: her text message was in response to Brad hanging a
Speaker 1: dart board on the back of one of their new doors,
Speaker 1: which cost them a small fortune. She finished off her
Speaker 1: instant stories by telling her followers, so yeah, being single,
Speaker 1: it ain't all bad kids. Well, on a local front,
Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson received the nicest bunch of roses I think
Speaker 1: I've ever seen so good on Jordan Simmy. He might
Speaker 1: not be good at power point presentations, but he's good
Speaker 1: at picking out roses. As for Tammy Hembro, she shared
Speaker 1: the cutest homemade cards her kids made her and even
Speaker 1: Chloe Zepp and Mitchell Orval were feeling a little bit
Speaker 1: romantic on Valentine's Day, he cooked her a steak and potatoes. Now,
Speaker 1: I do love Valentine's Day because it also increases the
Speaker 1: speculation around whether some couples are together or not together.
Speaker 1: Because interestingly, Madison Wooly shared a snap of her and
Speaker 1: her best friend Olivia Pratt and manager Georgia Knight out
Speaker 1: for dinner for a Gallantine's Meal. Now this is a
Speaker 1: big sign that her and on again off again boyfriend
Speaker 1: Jonathan Sower may finally be done because Madison was also
Speaker 1: seen holiday and with her best friend Caitlin Rodriguez a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. The pair are still following each other,
Speaker 1: but they haven't been liking one another's photos, which is
Speaker 1: also another side. We've also had some people sending us
Speaker 1: rumors which I I think are incorrect, that she and
Speaker 1: Mitch Third have been messaging it. Well, Mitch has been
Speaker 1: liking a hell of a lot of it photos. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: know about bunny relationship match. It would, but I remember
Speaker 1: from past flog days that Madison and Tylia Scanes are friends,
Speaker 1: so maybe it's just a friendship thing.
Speaker 4: Don't make out like we are forcing each other to
Speaker 4: be in this, So maybe we don't want monogamy. As
Speaker 4: much as you value monogamy, we value nor monogamy.
Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield was revealed she isn't an open relationship with
Speaker 1: boyfriend Conrad bn Stevens. The announcement has been met with
Speaker 1: mixed reactions, with many applauding Abby for normalizing open relationships,
Speaker 1: while others can't seem to get their heads around it.
Speaker 1: So Abby sounded quite nervous to make the announcement. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, Amy. The night before the episode went live,
Speaker 1: Abby did an Instagram story lying in bed with Conrad
Speaker 1: in their pajamas, and she sounded so nervous. She told
Speaker 1: her followers that Conrad would be appearing on her podcast
Speaker 1: It's a Lot the next morning to share an announcement
Speaker 1: about their relationship, and she prefaced it by saying she's
Speaker 1: scared to talk about it because she doesn't want people
Speaker 1: abusing her. Now, the next morning, the couple announced that
Speaker 1: they're in an open relationship. Here's a snippet of what
Speaker 1: Abby and Conrad said.
Speaker 4: So well, speaking of how much pussy you could get. Now,
Speaker 4: before we tell you all this, here's a few things
Speaker 4: we need to explain to you. First of all, we're
Speaker 4: in love. We aren't breaking up. Everyone coming Daddy, aren't
Speaker 4: breaking up. We're just having a different structure to our relationship.
Speaker 2: So we're open.
Speaker 4: So we're in like an open relationship, which we love.
Speaker 4: I mean to be fair, I haven't had anyone yet,
Speaker 4: which is annoying.
Speaker 2: You fucked someone, which was iconic.
Speaker 1: Now, Abby and Conrad reiterated during the podcast that they
Speaker 1: had independently decided that they wanted to be in an
Speaker 1: open relationship before they even met, and it was also
Speaker 1: something that they discussed before sleeping together. She was also
Speaker 1: quick to point out that while something that works for them,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that it has to work for everyone else.
Speaker 1: Now amy, For those who might not have heard about
Speaker 1: ethical non monogamy before, what is it? Well, it's described
Speaker 1: as a committed romantic relationship where all partners consent to
Speaker 1: sexual or romantic encounters with other consenting individuals, and there
Speaker 1: are various types of ethical non monogamy, including swinging, polyamory
Speaker 1: and other forms of open relationships. So, depending on the couple,
Speaker 1: only one partner may act outside the relationship, or both
Speaker 1: partners may.
Speaker 2: Act outside it.
Speaker 1: It may involve only sexual connections with others or romantic connections,
Speaker 1: or sometimes both. So in order for these relationships to work, honesty, communication,
Speaker 1: and negotiation must all be involved, and everyone must consent
Speaker 1: to the situation without cohersion, deception.
Speaker 2: Or guilt tripping.
Speaker 1: So as for Abby and Conrad's open relationship, they're considered
Speaker 1: the primary people within it, and they are allowed to
Speaker 1: go have sexual encounters with others. However, they're not allowed
Speaker 1: to form emotional connections. And I believe some of the
Speaker 1: rules were that they can only have sex with that
Speaker 1: person once, and they can't have sex with someone that
Speaker 1: they've been in a former relationship with or slept with before.
Speaker 1: So those are their rules, but people have very different
Speaker 1: rules in open relationships. That just comes down to communicating
Speaker 1: with each other what those rules are. Now. Before breaking
Speaker 1: the news on their podcast, Abby and Conrad said that
Speaker 1: they have shared the news with other people in their
Speaker 1: friendship circles, and it seems like they have had quite
Speaker 1: a bad reaction from some people. Abby said that many
Speaker 1: people acted with either extreme upset or anger, and she
Speaker 1: said she was really over having to explain to people
Speaker 1: how their relationship works. Do you think it's because a
Speaker 1: lot of people put themselves in Abby and conrade shoes
Speaker 1: and go I could never do this because I personally
Speaker 1: could never imagine having an open relationship. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you can't respect no exactly, That's what I mean, And
Speaker 1: I just think it's so disrespectful of everyone. I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing is, in your everyday life, if your friend
Speaker 1: came to you and told you that they were in
Speaker 1: an open relationship, I can't understand actually going back at
Speaker 1: them and saying that you didn't agree with it, because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's everyone's own personal decision.
Speaker 1: And it seems like Abby and Conrad have had to
Speaker 1: come out about this because they live in the public eye.
Speaker 2: So if they didn't.
Speaker 1: Come out and tackle this head on and be really
Speaker 1: open and honest about it, I can just imagine what
Speaker 1: Abby's dms would have been, like, oh, Conrad's cheated with me,
Speaker 1: or like the articles in the Daily Mail. So I
Speaker 1: think that they've really done this in a really positive
Speaker 1: and open way. And now it's just I just feel
Speaker 1: bad for them for getting so much backlash over it,
Speaker 1: because it's their lives.
Speaker 2: Let them live their lives how they want to live them. Well,
Speaker 2: that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Abby said that she was worried that people would project
Speaker 1: their own feelings about their own relationship into hers, and
Speaker 1: she was very f that's definitely happy, yeah, and she
Speaker 1: was very frustrated over that point. And as you say, Kate,
Speaker 1: Abbi revealed that because of their high profile status as
Speaker 1: a couple, they were forced to come out with this
Speaker 1: news about their relationship because Abby said she was scared
Speaker 1: of receiving dms from fans saying that their friend had
Speaker 1: slept with Conrad, and she was also very concerned that
Speaker 1: The Daily Mail would publish a photo of Conrad out
Speaker 1: kissing other girls in public and and they would then
Speaker 1: frame the story that Abby was being cheated on.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just was.
Speaker 1: Shocked how surprised everyone was, because having listened to Abby's podcast,
Speaker 1: it didn't surprise me at all that she and Conrad
Speaker 1: were in an open relationship, because she's spoken a lot
Speaker 1: before about how she's previously been in an open relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Abby did go into it on the podcast episode
Speaker 1: and said that for her, it is a kink to
Speaker 1: have her partners sleep with other people.
Speaker 4: Here's what she said, the more like try to like
Speaker 4: diagnose me, like it's because you've been cheated on so
Speaker 4: much you think it's all your worth.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's my kink.
Speaker 4: And then I'm sitting at a dinner table with strangers
Speaker 4: saying my kink is wanting him to fuck other people?
Speaker 4: Do you want me to explain that more? And they go, no,
Speaker 4: that can't be true.
Speaker 1: I think it's really good that Abby actually referenced that
Speaker 1: this is her kink, because otherwise a lot of people
Speaker 1: might have thought being a bit misogynistic. Oh, Conrad must
Speaker 1: have forced her into this. Conrad just wants to go
Speaker 1: around and have sex with other women. It's funny you
Speaker 1: say that, Amy, because it's actually the complete opposite. Abby
Speaker 1: is being accused of pressuring Conrad into having an open relationship,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that Conrad is the one that's actually
Speaker 1: slept with someone else, and Abby said she hasn't yet.
Speaker 1: And it just seems wild to me because every time
Speaker 1: Conrad and Abby are in the media, she is being
Speaker 1: portrayed as the person that's in the wrong all the
Speaker 1: time and the baddie, and he's portrayed as, oh, he's
Speaker 1: just being led along by Abby. I think the reason
Speaker 1: that people jumped to conclusions and thought that Abby was
Speaker 1: trying to force him is because he admitted that he
Speaker 1: has never been in an open relationship before. But they
Speaker 1: then did reiterate that it was a choice they made
Speaker 1: before they even met. And as you touched on, Kate,
Speaker 1: Conrad has revealed that he has had sex with someone else,
Speaker 1: and it was someone who has been involved in an
Speaker 1: open relationship before. They referred to her as a third Now.
Speaker 1: Abby said that she's been too busy with her national
Speaker 1: radio show to have sex with anyone else, and also
Speaker 1: that she does find it difficult to meet new people,
Speaker 1: so really doesn't play into this persona that a lot
Speaker 1: of critics are trying to push that Abby is the
Speaker 1: one forcing Conrad into this. It's pretty disgusting that the
Speaker 1: Courier Mail then published off the back of this podcast
Speaker 1: a story with the headline Abbi Chatfield and Conrad bian
Speaker 1: Stevens we can cheat on each other. This was shared
Speaker 1: across their Instagram, clearly for clicks, and the heading was
Speaker 1: so incredibly misleading and really missed the mark on what
Speaker 1: could have been a really important discussion about open relationships now.
Speaker 1: Abbi responded to the Courier Mail on Instagram, writing, Lol,
Speaker 1: what a wildly misleading, gross title. When we say we
Speaker 1: can cheat on each other, we mean there are boundaries
Speaker 1: in our open relationship that can be crossed and would
Speaker 1: be called cheating. But we are open If we sleep
Speaker 1: with other people that isn't considered cheating. Jesus Christ, how
Speaker 1: embarrassing for you. What did you guys think.
Speaker 2: About this article?
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like there are two very different demographics
Speaker 1: who are commenting on this story online. You've got the
Speaker 1: boomers who are outraged by the story who can't believe
Speaker 1: that Abby and Conrad are in an open relationship.
Speaker 2: And then you've got the other side of the.
Speaker 1: Internet, who are the woke gen Zea's who are really
Speaker 1: outraged at the fact that people are having a say
Speaker 1: about private relationship. I just think it's so brave of
Speaker 1: Abby and Conrad to be so public about their relationship
Speaker 1: because in Australia, the concept of ethical non monogamy is
Speaker 1: relatively new, and I feel like those interested in actually
Speaker 1: pursuing having multiple partners and those sort of relationships, they
Speaker 1: often lack any sort of social support and understanding, so
Speaker 1: many find it really difficult to broach the topic with
Speaker 1: family and friends and also co workers. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's very taboo at the moment, but now that Abby
Speaker 1: is bringing it out into the mainstream, it's going to
Speaker 1: open up so many important discussions and help normalize these
Speaker 1: sorts of relationships. And I think that's why the backlash
Speaker 1: is so sad, Because these two well known people are
Speaker 1: in an open relationship. We should be applauding that and
Speaker 1: actually looking at them to educate others on this type
Speaker 1: of relationship, except we're now demonizing them and trolling them
Speaker 1: for coming out and being truthful about the status of
Speaker 1: their relationship. Well, I think that's all we have time
Speaker 1: for today. Thank you so much for joining us for
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