1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: In a world that never stops, how do you prioritize 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: not just the good? The great Laura May Martin is 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Google's executive productivity. 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: Advisor, and she has the answers. 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: Laura's job is to advise the top execs at Google 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: on how to use their time better, and she has 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: transformed the art of prioritization and productivity into a science. 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: This is Laura's third time on How I Work, and 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: there is a reason I keep inviting her back. It's 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: because her advice is so incredibly practical and helpful. In 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: today's chat, we talk about how Laura organizes her day, 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: plans out her week, and tames her inbox. But Laura's 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: approach is not just about doing more, but about doing 14 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: what matters most. My name is doctor Amantha Imbert. I'm 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: an organizational psychologist and founder of behavior change consultancy Inventium, 16 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: and this is How I Work, a show about how 17 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: to help you get so much more out of the 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: hours in your day. When I think about the clients 19 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: I work with at Inventium, getting help with prioritization is 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: a topic that always comes up. So I wanted to 21 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: know how does Laura approach prioritization. 22 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 3: The word prioritization when you ask people to de find it, 23 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 3: they start talking about like reordering things or finding the 24 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: things that are at the top and moving other things 25 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: to the bottom. So when I think of prioritization, I 26 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: have this vision of ruthless prioritization in my head, Like 27 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: I tell the execs that I coach, you're gonna turn down, 28 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: You're going to say no to You're going to cut 29 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: really really really good things to make room for those 30 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: great things. And if you aren't cutting those things, even 31 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: if you have the time, you don't have the energy. 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: Those aren't the same. Just becoming aggressive about priorities is 33 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: like the right way to think about it, because if 34 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: we go with our natural like I could probably do this, 35 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: I can probably do this, we're over committed. What would 36 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: future me wish I had prioritized and go from there? 37 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: So, what are some specific rituals or like practices that 38 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: you have when it comes to sitting down and actually 39 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: working this stuff out. 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so glad you asked that, because I read 41 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: a lot of books, as I'm sure you do, and 42 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: a lot of people love to share big picture ideas 43 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: and big picture things and I'm always like, no, what 44 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: is the recipe? Like what do I do tonight? What 45 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: do I do tomorrow? And so actually, as I developed 46 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: all this material over the past eight years at Google, 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: these were things that I was actually doing. So when 48 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 3: I sat down to plan my week, this is what 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: I was doing. And then I made that into a 50 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 3: weekly planner that's in the book and now on my website. 51 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: And so having that Sunday night planning, I feel like 52 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 3: that's one of the things that I definitely do because 53 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: I know somebody asked us to come for dinner on 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 3: Sunday or something. Immediately, I'm like, well, I'm gonna have 55 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 3: to do my Sunday planning Saturday or Monday, because that's 56 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: such a point of control in my week. Is like 57 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: looking ahead, looking at my commitments, looking what I have 58 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: time for, looking what I did last week and what 59 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 3: was the good use of my time, look back, look forwards. 60 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: Making a daily list the night before of what I 61 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: plan to do to the next day. That's definitely one 62 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: of those tactical things that I do. 63 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: Tell me more about the Sunday planning. What does that 64 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: template look like that you're using. What are the questions 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: that you're thinking about. 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: Yes, I have all of these on my website. I 67 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: think they're certainly easier to follow visually, but I'll talk 68 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: through them. The first piece of that is the look 69 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: back look forward, and I think that is an exercise 70 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: I teach for executives because a lot of times what 71 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: happens is you kind of barrel through your week and 72 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: then the week's over, and then do you ever actually 73 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: take the time to go back and say, like, what 74 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: was a great use of my time? You know that 75 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: third meeting on Wednesday? Did I feel like it was 76 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: a little too long? Or I meet with the person 77 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: a little too often, and so we don't actually like 78 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: reflect and then make changes. We just go through it. 79 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: And so that piece is the look back and the 80 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: look forward is just a series of questions that I 81 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: ask and look, is there any conflicts on my schedule 82 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: that I need to resolve? Looking at my schedule as 83 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: future me walking through each day, is there a place 84 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: I know that I'm going to be like, gosh, I 85 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: wish I would have scheduled a break here, or really 86 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: wouldn't wish I committed to work on this when I'm 87 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: not going to have the energy. So that little worksheet. 88 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 3: You know, ten minutes of time is going to make 89 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: a big difference in your week. And then the next 90 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 3: piece of it is the actual list planning. And so 91 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 3: that's another thing I really get tactical and in the 92 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: book because it's like not just like make it to 93 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: do list, No, it's like, well, if I have something 94 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 3: to do in a month, if I have something to 95 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 3: do tomorrow, if I don't do it today, how do 96 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: I make sure I get to it another day? How 97 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: do I keep all the things accountable? So that list 98 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: funnel I talk about is something I do every Sunday. 99 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: You know, I look at my big main list. I 100 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: call it the dashboard of everything I could be doing 101 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: at all times, you know, everything I have to do 102 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: in all areas of my life. And then I look 103 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: at my week and say, oh, I have actually have 104 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 3: a pretty light day on Wednesday. Let me get to 105 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 3: some of that submitting medical bills that I've been putting off. 106 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: You know, that's just on that list, but I'm keeping 107 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: myself looking at it to make sure it actually gets done. 108 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: So that's my Sunday. 109 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: I would love you to talk more about list funnels. 110 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: I found that concept really intriguing in up time, Sorry 111 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: for someone that does not come across your work or 112 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: the idea of a list funnel? What is a list funnel? 113 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: Laura? Yeah, So the idea of that is just that 114 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: lists serve multiple purposes. And you know, if you want 115 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: to learn piano one day, and then your boss tells 116 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 3: you something at nine am that's do at five pm, 117 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: how do they go on the same list. How do 118 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 3: you capture things that you think of when you're on 119 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: a walk with your dog and you think of something 120 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: you need to do this week. So the idea of 121 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: the list funnel is just that it starts really wide. 122 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: So it's that huge main list broken into different categories 123 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 3: so it looks like a dashboard. It's like all the 124 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 3: calls I need to make, all the personal things I 125 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 3: need to do on my computer, all the errands I 126 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: need to run, the things around my house. And the 127 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 3: reason it's grouped like that is because one night you 128 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: might feel like, wow, I'm really burnt out from looking 129 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 3: at the screen, but I want to get some stuff 130 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: done around the house. Great, now I have a huge 131 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: group of those all together, or I have some time 132 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: in the car, I'm going to make all the phone 133 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: calls I need to make great. They're all grouped together, 134 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 3: But the bigger piece of the funnel is you're not 135 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: going to get to all those things that week, So 136 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: why look at them over and over and stress yourself 137 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 3: out knowing that they're not going to get to that week? 138 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: So you've narrow it down down the funnel. Now what 139 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 3: am I doing this week? And then that helps you 140 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 3: go even smaller, which is what am I doing this day? 141 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: And the absolute smallest piece is what am I doing 142 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: hour by hour? Because all kinds of studies show that 143 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: if you actually plan out, if you actually write nine 144 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: to ten, work out tomorrow, ten to eleven, work on 145 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: that presentation, you're way more likely to do it. So 146 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: it's the idea that your action items funnel down and 147 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: then once they're executed, they're done, they're out of the funnel. 148 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: And so it's just a system that keeps you mentally 149 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: safe knowing that everything you have to do is captured 150 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: and it's moving its way down. If it gets stuck 151 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: in the funnel because you didn't get to it, it's 152 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: back on the other list and you'll see it again. 153 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: Can you tell me for you personally? Laura what are 154 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: all the categories of list funnels that you have in 155 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: your life? 156 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so Actually exactly what I have in the 157 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: book is what I use. You're gonna laugh because like 158 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: in the book, I had to put an example list, 159 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: and I truly, truly went to my current main list 160 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: and wrote everything I had on there, so you'll tell 161 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: it was like the spring, because I'm like register for 162 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: summer camps, kindergarten, kindergarten deadline, to submit paperwork, buying new 163 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: bathing suits for our beach trip. Like it was exactly 164 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 3: what I currently was doing at that time. So I 165 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: do have those categories, you know, things at work on 166 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: the computer, things in my personal life on the computer, calls, returns, 167 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: I need to make things I need to buy, and 168 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: then I keep grocery completely separate because that's its own 169 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: whole buying process. And then one list I talk about 170 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: that I would say, this is the single thing I 171 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: use the most in a day is my capture list, 172 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: and that's my list of every single thought that comes 173 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: to me, whether it's something I need to do, something 174 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: I forgot, something I need to buy, it all goes 175 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: on one list and I access that using my voice 176 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: so I just say, hey, Google, add eggs to the 177 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: capture list. Hey Google, add email Brian to the capture list. 178 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: And then when I look at that during some of 179 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: those rituals like on Sunday or on Tuesday and Thursday, 180 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: I do it. But it's all those ideas that have 181 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 3: come to me in one place. So I use that, 182 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: I mean probably fifteen times a day, just everything that 183 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: I think of that I need to do. 184 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: Now, tell me about saying no, because I know you 185 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: used to be really bad at this, and how did 186 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: you become good at it. 187 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 3: I actually had a mentor, a manager, and he gave 188 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: me that feedback. He was in nice words, constructive words. 189 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: He was like, you're kind of a pushover, and it's 190 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: getting to you because I can tell that you're over committed, 191 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: and I can tell that you're doing things. Is that 192 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: even you know you shouldn't do. I think the biggest 193 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: piece for me was saying no without coming off as 194 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: abrasive or keeping that social capital that you have with 195 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: friends and coworkers. And it's a really fine line. And 196 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: I was worried about becoming that person who says no 197 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: to everything, because that has its own negative effects. And 198 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: so I try to do like actual sentences that I've 199 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: used that have gone well for me, you know, like, Hey, 200 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: as much as I would love to do that speaking event, 201 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 3: I'm actually holding that week for some work that I 202 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 3: think you know is coming in and I would call 203 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: this one no, But here's a resource that I used 204 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: for a similar event, and it would be great for 205 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: you to use it. And then sometimes I'll even follow 206 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: back up and say, like, how did the event go? 207 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: So sorry I couldn't speak at it, like hope everything 208 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: went great. So it's important to find that balance. And 209 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: I think that was really hard for me, but it's 210 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: good because it gave me like years of material of 211 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: what has worked well for me to say no. And 212 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: so all of the all of those tactics I listed 213 00:09:58,679 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: in the book. 214 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the tactics that you listened in the book. 215 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: I personally found them very helpful, and like you, I 216 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: used to struggle so much with saying no, although now 217 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: I feel like I get a lot of practice and 218 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: saying no mold for multiple times a day. So I 219 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: also think the more you practice, the easier it becomes true. 220 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: Definitely yes, And you probably feel that when someone says 221 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 3: no to you, you respect them for it, and especially 222 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: if they're kind about it, you think, like, wow, they're 223 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 3: really thoughtful about their priorities. For whatever reason, it doesn't 224 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: fit in like you may be disappointed, but I think 225 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: it's just knowing that if you say no to someone 226 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: and you explain to them in the right way, they're 227 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 3: going to see your side of it and you're not 228 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: ruining a relationship. 229 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I reckon. 230 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: One of the biggest things that has changed the way 231 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: I say no is speed. So I used to think 232 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: that by saying a slow no, like sitting on a 233 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: request for a few days and then saying no, was 234 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: the more respectful way to do it, as if I'd 235 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: given it a few days thought, But I can't remember 236 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: which guess it was on how I work. But they 237 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: talked about the power of a quick note like you, 238 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: just like people don't want to be left hanging. They 239 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: want to move on if the answer is no. And 240 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: so the biggest change I've made in my life around 241 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: knows is that I will say a very quick. 242 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: No, and I will give contacts, I'll explain why. 243 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: But I found speed, and I really love it when 244 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: I get quick nos back because I can just move. 245 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: On and I don't have to waste time following up. 246 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's great. 247 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: Now we're saying no, I mean knows about setting boundaries. 248 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: And in your book Uptime, you also talk about downtime, 249 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: and I want to know, like, for you personally, how 250 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: do you set boundaries for yourself? Given you are someone 251 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: that loves what you do. Your passion comes across so clearly, 252 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: but also you've got a family their priority. 253 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,359 Speaker 2: How do you think about boundaries? 254 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: I think the first piece of it is actually like 255 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: setting them. And so when I work with an exact 256 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 3: I say, like, what are some of your working boundaries? 257 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: And a lot of times I can tell how it's going. 258 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: If they have no answer to that, it means they 259 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: haven't really sad down and said I do this, I 260 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: don't do this. And I think that that's a piece 261 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 3: that you really have to define. Google has a lot 262 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 3: of cool things built into our culture where it's like 263 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 3: I can communicate those whether it's in my signature or 264 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: in a user manual about me and working with me. 265 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: But I think that actually saying in my head, like 266 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: I do not email on the weekends and I don't 267 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 3: check email on the weekends. Like saying that is actually 268 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: really powerful because it even keeps me accountable, you know, 269 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: for saying that that's something I do. I tell people that, 270 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 3: and then I know that they're not going to expect 271 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: an email from me because I've communicated that I do that. 272 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: I think it's finding those routines, so even like putting 273 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 3: my phone away before meals and things like that so 274 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: I'm not tempted to check or work while I'm with 275 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 3: my family. So you know, it's easy to say, oh, 276 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: I don't do this, but then send emails on the 277 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 3: weekend and it's like, no, you have to really keep that, 278 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: Like eighty twenty. If it's a boundary that you've set, 279 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: you want to really keep that up to see the 280 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: benefits of it, because if you're it's just words, not 281 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 3: going to see the value. 282 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: I like the idea of putting your boundary in your 283 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: email signature. Can you tell me what that looks like 284 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: for you? How do you communicate boundaries And what are 285 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: some of the examples that you've seen with fellow Googles 286 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: in terms of how they're communicating boundaries in the email signature. 287 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 3: Yes, a lot of our executives have like a user manual. 288 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: They call it like how to work with Me doc, 289 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 3: and so that's the bigger way of saying, here's how 290 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 3: to work with me. So I have one of those 291 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: that basically says, these are the things that I prefer. 292 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 3: Send me an email before adding time to my calendar, 293 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 3: because I prefer to communicate their first. During the workday, 294 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 3: I'm usually in meetings or focused intentionally, so please don't 295 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: chat me unless it's something that has to do in 296 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: the next thirty minutes or so I don't check email 297 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: on the weekends. I do check email from seven am 298 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: to six pm or whatever that is, or I do 299 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: check email Monday through Friday. Just communicating, even like a 300 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 3: preference like boundaries like an aggressive word, I think, but 301 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 3: even a preference like I prefer to be emailed versus chat. 302 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: I think. I've seen that people's signatures and it just 303 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: kind of gives you that, oh okay, like I didn't 304 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: know that about them, you know. Or some people some 305 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: executives are like, just sign up for my office hours 306 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: and don't put another email in my inbox, Like that's 307 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 3: what those are for. So I've seen execs with that, 308 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: and they link to the office hours and it's like there, 309 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: I was going to send them another email, but now 310 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: I know, oh that I'll just schedule this slot. A 311 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: lot of it's just communicating. It's just gently guiding people 312 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: to work with you the way that you want to work, 313 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: and it can be powerful, whether it's just one line 314 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: under your name. 315 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: There's something about your mourning Rachel, which I know you've 316 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: thought about a lot, which really stood out to me, 317 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: and you talk about it being a gift from past you. 318 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: Could you tell me about that concept. 319 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'd like to think when we're trying to 320 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: plan for future us, I try to do something for 321 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: myself the night before that's a gift for mourning me. 322 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 3: So it's something that mourning me is going to walk 323 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: down and think, oh, I'm so glad you know X. 324 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: And so, whether that's pre packing lunches, setting the call 325 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: machine on a timer, making sure the kitchen is clean, 326 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: picking out my clothes, I'm doing something to set myself 327 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: up in the morning because that morning is just such 328 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: another point of control. It's another one of those like 329 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: Sunday night things where it's like, if you can get 330 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: control of your morning, it really does affect your whole day. 331 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: So I know that by spending a few minutes doesn't 332 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: make it much of a difference if I go to 333 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: bed ten minutes later because I made lunches. But it 334 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: does make a big difference in the morning if I 335 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: feel that light feeling of wow, this is already done. 336 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: Now I have a little more time to do this 337 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: or whatever that is. So I try to do that 338 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: for myself, and even with my kids, I try to 339 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: help them do that. Pick out your outfit before Why 340 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: don't you go ahead and pack up your backpack. You'll 341 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: be so happy you did that in the morning. And 342 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: so I think it's just a good habit to learn. Overall. 343 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to my daughter Frankie after this chat. 344 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: Although one heck that I do use at home as 345 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: of HEROD. 346 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: And I heard about this strategy a few years ago 347 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: from this quite well known female entrepreneur. 348 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: She's got quite a lot of kids, and she would talk. 349 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: About how she would put her young children to bed 350 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: wearing their school uniform. And at the time, I thought, well, 351 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: that's that's a bit much. That's interesting, but it's a 352 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: bit much. I now have adopted that hack. 353 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: When it's a sports uniform day. My daughter is sleeping. 354 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: In her T shirt and shorts because it just removes 355 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: friction for the next day, and it is a massive 356 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: gift to the whole family. 357 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: That's her future exactly, It's a future all of us. 358 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: We will be back soon with Laura talking about the 359 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: biggest problems that executives at Google have in managing their time, 360 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: and the most common strategy is she gives them to help. 361 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: If you're looking for more tips to improve the way 362 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: you work and live, I write a weekly newsletter where 363 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: I share practical and simple to apply tips to improve 364 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: your life. You can sign up for that at Amantha 365 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: dot substack dot com. That's Amantha dot Substack. Now, a 366 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: lot of your time at Google is spent coaching executives, 367 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of people would imagine 368 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: a senior executive Google just being a master of their 369 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: time and productivity. But I imagine, you know, maybe that's not 370 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: the case. And I would love to know what are 371 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: the biggest challenges that you observe these leaders having in 372 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: terms of how they're thinking about and using their time. 373 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that question a lot, Like what are 374 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 3: execs dealing with? They have total control of their time, 375 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 3: you know, thinking that they have maybe an administrative professional 376 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: working with them, Isn't it easier? And it's kind of 377 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: funny because you know, no matter what your level is, 378 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: if you're entering the workplace or you're a very senior 379 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: exec with a global team of a lot of the 380 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: issues are the same. But figuring out the time management piece, 381 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: the energy management piece. One of the cool things about 382 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 3: my job is that a lot of these execs are productive, 383 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: and it's like maybe they've totally mastered one piece of it, 384 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: and I'm learning from them, and then I'm able to 385 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 3: share those practices as I go to different coaching sessions 386 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: and so that's really cool, And especially I talk in 387 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 3: the book about one executive that that really mastered urgent. 388 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: You know, he had a lot of urgent coming up. 389 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: He figured out how to have a slot every day 390 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: for urgent. His whole team knew that slot. When something 391 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: urgent comes up, they all cleared their calendars knowing that's 392 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 3: when he's going to meet with him, like things like that, 393 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 3: I didn't think of that. He thought of that. And 394 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: now I've shared that with so many people, and so 395 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: it's cool because you know, while I am able to 396 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 3: share ideas and go through these exercises that help the 397 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 3: whole team think and their chief of staff. I also 398 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 3: am able to share, oh, I just talked to so 399 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 3: and so last week and they're able to do this 400 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 3: and that would work great for you and connect them 401 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 3: and things like that. So that's fun. 402 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: What are the most common strategies that you find yourself 403 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: giving to these executives? Are there any kind of common 404 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: solutions that you find yourself talking about a lot with them. 405 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 3: I think one of the biggest things that I constantly 406 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 3: get the feedback about that makes a huge difference is 407 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: finding those power hours and really working to protect them. 408 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 3: And so the biggest thing is when I say, oh, 409 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 3: when do you do most of your heads down work 410 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 3: or when are you most focused? Maybe it's a West 411 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 3: coast executive in the US, and they'll say, oh, you know, 412 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 3: the morning. I'm a morning person. I really like, I'm 413 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: so focused. I love the mornings. And then I'm like, well, 414 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 3: when are you doing most of your heads down work? Oh, 415 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: always in the afternoon or at night, because my schedule 416 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 3: is full of East Coast meetings because I woke up 417 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: late and that's when all my team wants to meet. 418 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: So that's such a small thing. But even saying let's 419 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: just block the morning for you even one maybe two 420 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 3: days a week and give you like two two to 421 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 3: three hour blocks that are solid, you know they're there. 422 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 3: You don't have any meetings come, you turn off your chat, 423 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 3: you close your email. You really get done when you 424 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: need to get done, And that can be so powerful. 425 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: I've heard over and over the executives say like, gosh, 426 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 3: I just know I always know I have my Wednesday morning, 427 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: you know, and it's their natural time. Because for that 428 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: same executive, blocking nine to eleven is so different than 429 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 3: blocking three to five. It's so different. Their output is different, 430 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 3: their energy is different. And so I think that that's 431 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 3: one of the big tactics that I feel like I'm 432 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: always talking about and always getting good feedback later on. 433 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember I interviewed Mel Silva, who heads up 434 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: googleing Australia and New Zealand, and she had thinking days, 435 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: which I think from memory she scheduled them about once 436 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: every six weeks and she would plan for them. And 437 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: it's a longer version of what you're describing there. What 438 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: else do you recommend to these execs that you find 439 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: yourself just hearing consistently great feedback like this. 440 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: This has really changed the way that I work. 441 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 3: It's funny that you say that, because definitely one of 442 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: the biggest things that I wouldn't say I do it. 443 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: I wouldn't give myself the credit, but giving that permission 444 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: to have blank space in your schedule, whether it's a 445 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: no meeting Friday, or it's a think day, or it's 446 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 3: a really long break for a lunch where you're just 447 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 3: kind of thinking or decompressing. I feel like a lot 448 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: of the times I'm just kind of saying, oh, even 449 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 3: an exact higher up than you spends one day coding, 450 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 3: like you can do that tier or whatever it is. 451 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 3: So I feel like that idea of just like white 452 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 3: space in your schedule equals white space in your head 453 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 3: equals new ideas, big picture vision. So that's certainly a 454 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 3: piece of it. And then I would say the next 455 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 3: piece of it is just again getting like aggressive about 456 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 3: the schedules. I'm that person who's looking at each meeting 457 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 3: with them saying, do you really need thirty minutes here? 458 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: Or could we do fifteen minutes? Could we group these 459 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: three meetings together anywhere? Low hanging free it on the schedule, 460 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 3: and it seems so small cutting meetings down fifteen minutes, 461 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 3: But if you do that to ten meetings over the 462 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 3: course of a couple weeks, it's like now you're all 463 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 3: of a sudden feeling like, wow, I have more time here, 464 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 3: more time here. That's definitely something that when I circle back, 465 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 3: when I do my check back ins, that's always like, oh, 466 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: I feel like I have so much time. I'm like 467 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 3: with a and a fine glass on their schedule, like 468 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 3: why is this here? Have you always been in that? 469 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: Would you sign up for this tomorrow? Or have you 470 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: just always done it? So that's my job. 471 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: I love that. 472 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: That's such a great question, like would you sign up 473 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: for this tomorrow? 474 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: I want to switch gears. 475 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: And talk about downtime, the opposite of up time. How 476 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: do you think about downtime in your own life. 477 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 3: That's funny you said the opposite, because I think that's 478 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: what we think, the opposite. But in the book I 479 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 3: talk about how it's they go hand in hand, they're necessary. 480 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 3: So one example I always give is, you know, I 481 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: love my stationary bike. I normally do a forty five 482 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 3: minute just regular ride, regular class, but my highest score 483 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: is from a thirty minute interval class. If someone was 484 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 3: watching that, they would think, Wow, she got off the 485 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: bike fifteen minutes earlier, lazy, not working as hard, and 486 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: she took a ton of breaks. No, because of those breaks, 487 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 3: I was able to work harder in the sprints and 488 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: finish earlier. So that's kind of the point of downtime 489 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: is that people think, like taking that hour for myself, 490 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 3: take that vacation, like overall, I'm not working as hard. No, 491 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 3: that is actually what's fueling you to work hard. And 492 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: so in my own life, my husband and I like 493 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 3: five years ago, we started doing no tech Tuesday night. 494 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: But it was just my way of saying like, Okay, 495 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 3: I'm not going to go extreme and say like I'm 496 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: never looking at my phone or you know whatever, but 497 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 3: one night a week, from dinner until the next morning, 498 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: we can do something other than TV and technology can 499 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 3: be board games, just sitting and talking, sit outside, and 500 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 3: we ended up loving it so much. I started this 501 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 3: challenge at Google and it's great and people feel the 502 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: digital detox, But the biggest piece of it is when 503 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 3: they say how they feel on Wednesday, and that's the 504 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 3: craziest part, Like I'm so much more productive on Wednesday. 505 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 3: I could not solve this work problem, and I didn't 506 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 3: want to do No Tech Tuesday because I wanted to 507 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 3: keep heads down. But I let myself do it, and 508 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 3: I came up with the best answer when I woke 509 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 3: up on Wednesday morning. So those little routines of like 510 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 3: I put my phone down here, I always make time 511 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 3: for a workout when I'm on vacation, I do not 512 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: check email, I take my weeks. I come up with 513 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: my best ideas when I'm on a walk, not when 514 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: I'm in my ninth meeting, And so by prioritizing those times, 515 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 3: I'm actually a better long term employee. And so I 516 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 3: think that managers should prioritize downtime for their own teams 517 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 3: and reward that. 518 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: I love what you say about no Tech Tuesday and 519 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: the no Tech Tuesday challengeing up time. I was curious 520 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: why Tuesday, and also I would love feto explained more 521 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: around the rules of what is a No Tech Tuesday. 522 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I chose Tuesday mostly because Monday felt like I'm 523 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 3: still like starting the week and one of my favorite 524 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 3: TV shows is on Monday. Honestly, so I was like, 525 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 3: I don't know that I want to not watch that, 526 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 3: and Tuesday just has that rink to it. It's memorable. 527 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 3: A lot of people is like, oh, Tuesday's kind of 528 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 3: like a down night. You know, it's not in the 529 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 3: first day of the week, and you know I'm not 530 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 3: piled in work yet, and so I was like, let's 531 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: just do that, and then it stuck. And the rules 532 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: are basically you pick a time from that point until 533 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,959 Speaker 3: the following morning, and I even do the wake up 534 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: Wednesday Bonus challenge, which is if you can go thirty 535 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 3: minutes after you wake up you don't touch technology. But 536 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: the point is just like breaking that habit and realizing 537 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: that you probably look at your phone for a lot 538 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 3: of things you don't need. You probably do enjoy some 539 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: hobby that you just don't do because you have access 540 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 3: to your computer, and nothing needs to be extreme. Obviously 541 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 3: technology has its place in our life, but so does 542 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 3: learning how to set it down. And so I think 543 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 3: it's just like a one of those small habits, small 544 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 3: routines that can just be eye opening. And I love 545 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: watching the comments pour in because it's a six week 546 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: challenge and the first week it'll be like, this was 547 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 3: so hard. I'm actually astounded how many times I went 548 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 3: to pick up my phone and didn't have it. I 549 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 3: kind of felt anxious, I kind of felt lonely, you know, 550 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 3: like all these things and then it's like now, actually, 551 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: right as we're speaking, we're in the fifth week, and 552 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: I just read through them and it's like, I'm loving 553 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 3: this more and more. I added a second night. I 554 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 3: have people postpay pictures of what they accomplished, and it's 555 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 3: like knitting iron beads, painting. I learned a new recipe 556 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: and I actually had my grandma's handwriting instead of looking 557 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: up online. Just really cool ways of using your time, 558 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 3: you know. So that's how it all started. 559 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: Love that. I want to talk about generative AI. 560 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: I am sure that as a productivity expert you're using 561 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: it a lot, and particularly a productivity expert within Google, 562 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: I'm definitely using it a lot in my work. I 563 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: want to know how are you using it day to day, 564 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: Where has it changed workflows or how you're approaching different 565 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: kinds of tasks. 566 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 4: When you think of it like any tool, my biggest 567 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 4: rule on tools is like you've got to learn the 568 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 4: power of it, and for AI, I think that's just 569 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 4: like even bigger that can be from learn the keyboard 570 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 4: shortcuts in your email program to like. 571 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: Learn how AI can start that entire project for you. 572 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 3: And so one of the things that I really push 573 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 3: is just kind of like spending time watching some videos 574 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: looking at prompts, you know, even if it's like thirty minutes, 575 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: saying like what's the coolest thing that Gemini can do 576 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 3: in Google workspace, Like I'm going to look that up 577 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 3: and then see people using it in Google sheets and say, Wow, 578 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 3: that's so cool. I haven't thought of that. So I 579 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: think that that's the biggest piece, is like getting ahead 580 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: of it and understanding what it can do. I always 581 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 3: just think in my head, how can I start with AI? 582 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 3: You know, anytime I sit down when I look at 583 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 3: my to do list, sometimes I just kind of scan, 584 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 3: like is there anything on here that I could just 585 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 3: source out because that's giving me more time for higher 586 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: value tasks. So any template I'm writing looking for creative images, 587 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: when I'm doing a training that represents something kicking off 588 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 3: something with an email, looking at text and saying, gosh, 589 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: this really needs to be like half the word count 590 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 3: that it is, I'm going to ask it to narrow 591 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 3: that down for me. And just always using it as 592 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 3: like a starting point of what can AI do for 593 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 3: me so that I can be more strategic with my time? 594 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: Are they certain tasks that you do as part of 595 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: your role that you have found Jeni is just not 596 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: good for I'm always interested in, like what are the 597 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: categories of things where we should use GENII to augment 598 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: what we do and where does it really need the 599 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: human thought? 600 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think anything that feels analytical from your perspective. 601 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: So like that example of like the calendar analysis, I've 602 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 3: really been thinking in my head, like so AI could 603 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: basically tell me like what meetings I'm in and what 604 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 3: time I'm spending in them, But they're not going to 605 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 3: be able. It's not going to be able to say 606 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 3: do you really need thirty minutes with John or could 607 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: you do fifteen? It's really combing through making those personal decisions. 608 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 3: You can't really source that out. But if you can 609 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: pull the information with the help of a tool and 610 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 3: then look at it instead of you having to pull 611 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 3: that information yourself, you're getting the most out of AI 612 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 3: at this point. Now that being said, who knows where 613 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: we'll be in even a year. There could be some 614 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: pattern learning where says Hey, we noticed that you started 615 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 3: taking meetings this time, and we notice that on Wednesday 616 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: all your meetings tend to go late. You know, should 617 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 3: you that kind of thing. So I'm just excited to 618 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: see where that goes because we don't know yet how 619 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 3: it will play into our lives and our workflow as 620 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 3: it starts. To learn things like that. 621 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: I'd love to. 622 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: Finish by asking you around, like, with all the training 623 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: and coaching that you've done over the years, what are 624 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: the tips that you hear from people that have been 625 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: their favorite, like the stickiest ones, the ones that have 626 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: had the most impediled. What are the things that people 627 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: just keep coming back to you and going, Laura. 628 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: This has been a game changer. 629 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 3: That's funny. Well, as you know because it was in 630 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 3: your book. I think the thinking of email like laundry. 631 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 3: That is something that like ten years after people have 632 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 3: come take my course, they come back to me and say, like, 633 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: I cannot get that out of my head. It changed 634 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 3: my life. You know, Funny things like that where they're like, 635 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: I sleep better because of this email training. I'm like, 636 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 3: it's an email training, but you know whatever, It kind 637 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 3: of gives them that mental clarity around email, which is 638 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: such a big personal thing for us. 639 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: So for the thows that haven't heard, your email is laundry, 640 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: and could you just like briefly explain that because I 641 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: love it. 642 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 3: Yes, we do our laundry, and we would never open 643 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 3: the dryer and pick out one shirt full of that shirt, 644 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 3: walk it all the way up, put in the drawer, 645 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 3: pair of pants comes out, it's kind of wet. Should 646 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: we throw it back in the dryer? I found this sock. 647 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 3: I don't feel like finding the other sock. So I'll 648 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 3: just put one sock away, and I'm just going to 649 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: constantly open my dryer door fifteen times a day and 650 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 3: remind myself I don't have time to do it all. 651 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: I haven't done it, and I have no idea where 652 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 3: my pink shirt is. That sounds so stressful when we're 653 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 3: talking about laundry. So when we're talking about email, you're 654 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 3: doing the same thing. When you mark something as on red, 655 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 3: that's throwing what pants back in, you know, finding one 656 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 3: email and responding to it and then going back to 657 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 3: read another email. That's just folding one shirt. So instead, 658 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 3: what we should do is take everything out aka dryer 659 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: zero inbox zero, put it into laundry basket, things I 660 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 3: need to fold, things I need to hang, things I 661 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 3: need to read, and then we do them all at 662 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 3: once as much as possible. So full, fold, fuld, fold, fold. 663 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: I'm carrying this whole pile of shirts up one time. 664 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 3: So read, read, read, read, read, or respond respond, respond, 665 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 3: matching it with our energy because I'm so happy when 666 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 3: I don't waste really good power hours on reading industry news. 667 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 3: It's like, that's a great thing to do. When a 668 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: meeting ends ten minutes early. I think it's just like 669 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 3: a mindset shift. That's like, why am I doing my 670 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: email this way? It's really inefficient. So you know, that's 671 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: one that definitely sticks with people. 672 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: I think, what else? What else sticks? 673 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? Another one that people really like is like the 674 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 3: choosing hot spots and not spots. Date dependency research tells 675 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 3: us that we take in all this information when we're 676 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: working or when we're doing anything anywhere, So you know, 677 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 3: our brain kind of knows the site, smells, sounds of everything, 678 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 3: and so if we use that to our advantage, we 679 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 3: still are doing certain tasks at certain places. So that 680 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: could mean like something's in the office, something's at home, 681 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 3: or like I always send email from this one chair 682 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 3: in my office. I always code from the cafe. It 683 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: teaches your brain to say, like, when I'm here, I 684 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: do this. When I'm here, I do this, and then 685 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 3: you easily slip into that pattern when you're in those places. 686 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: So people really like that one. And then the idea 687 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 3: of a not spot like places that you never work, 688 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 3: you never think about work because your brain is safe 689 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 3: there and your brain never has stressed, or you know, 690 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 3: you keep your car commute sacred or whatever that is. 691 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 3: So those are some of the big big bites that 692 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: people always come back for. Laura. 693 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: I just love chats. This is the third time you 694 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: faint on how I work. And I got to say, 695 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: when I found out. 696 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: That you were writing a book, I think maybe a 697 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: year or two ago, when you as mentioned it, I 698 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: was just so excited. You are just such a wealth 699 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: of knowledge, but importantly you make it so simple and 700 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: practical for people to apply. So thank you so much 701 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: for coming back on how I work again. It's always 702 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: such a joy. Thank you, Laura. 703 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 3: Yes, thanks for having me. 704 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: I hope you like this chat with Laura May Martin, 705 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: and if you did, you should definitely grab a copy 706 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: of her book up Time. I get sat so many 707 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: books about time management and productivity, and this is one 708 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: of the best I've. 709 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 2: Read in years. 710 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: It is such a practical and balanced approach to thinking 711 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: about how we use our time. 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