WEBVTT - KELSEY MUNROE - BUMP - STAN AUSTRALIA 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.680 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.480 TV Reload. 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:03.920 The podcast can't beep never right. 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:06.800 Hey guys, welcome back to TV Reload. I want to 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.280 thank you for clicking and downloading on today's episode with 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.559 Kelsey Munroe, the creator of Bump, which has its final 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:16.520 series now available on STAN Australia. I have been such 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.040 a big fan of Bump right from the start, like 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.520 a lot of Australians watching it on Boxing Day or 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.040 binging it on Boxing Day. I originally thought it was 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.640 going to be quite different to the previous collaborations of 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.319 John and Dan Edwards with Claudia Carvin. Growing up with 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:31.440 shows like Secret Love of Us and Love My Way, 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.680 I was used to a particular tone. But I quite 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:38.040 quickly realized that Bump had every single aspect of their 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.440 extraordinary vision and Kelsey had brought. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.400 Them an idea that would keep us in thralled. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:47.319 For five seasons, something very rare in Australia. Kelsey will 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:49.800 unpack the way on which she found herself leaping from 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:53.000 being a journalist to a TV content creator. We will 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.800 chat about her relationship with Claudia Carvin and. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.800 How they shared very similar ideas on humor. I find 0:00:58.800 --> 0:00:59.760 out what it was like to. 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.720 Bring Natalie Morris, the actress who plays Ollie, into the 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.959 writer's room for season five. You will get everything from 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.080 how Kelsey felt about this being her final series, what 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.280 moment offered her closure, and what is next for Kelsi 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.760 Munroe moving forward. There was actually so much to talk about, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.320 as usual, with so many inside revelations, So guys sit 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.640 back and relax as we unpack the wonderful world of Bump, 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:26.640 now available on Stan Australia. I wanted to ask you 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.520 about what the decision was consciously I uncouple with this show. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:31.679 My kids were. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.280 Really little when I started making this show, and that 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:34.560 kind of when I look at them now, I gotter 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:36.800 started high school, and that makes you realize how much 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.960 time there's been. Kids on the show have growing up. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.160 Nat and Carlos and Yanni and Sofia. They're all like 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:46.200 babies in their very early twenties or teens in Yuannie's case. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.880 And it's been a really beautiful process. 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:50.280 And I feel like we could do it in this 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.600 creatively satisfying way and totally go out with a bang, 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:54.760 And the risk otherwise was I think we could have 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.040 turned into something that was treading water and maybe become soapy, 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.680 which is we've always been aspired to something more elevated 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.280 than that, and we really wanted to honor that in 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.200 the show and tie it up in this very powerful 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.280 kind of way that we're really happy with. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.320 It's always surprising to me how you can make television 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.919 so potent like this compared to something like a home 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.320 in a way and neighbors. It could be so easy 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.640 to create characters and write it like that where it 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.960 feels like every thought that goes into Bump is very deliberate. 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:27.400 That's good, thank you. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.080 It's extremely thought through, and we take Claude and I 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.880 take it really seriously everything we're doing, and in so 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.600 much contribution from the cast now as well, so they 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.840 all have a lot of ownership over their characters, but 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:41.360 certainly in the writer's room. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.600 I like the show to be fun to watch, but I. 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.440 Take it dead seriously in terms of like plotting it 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.520 like the real people with real wants and real interests 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.200 and real senses of humor, and so yeah, we work 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.000 really hard to make it as good as we can. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.000 How much of where you started is this where you 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.800 thought these characters would go how did you go with 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:01.519 that process? 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.680 This is my first TV show, and I never imagined 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.200 we would get five seasons. I was always pretty adamant 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.160 that I wanted to end with olli second pregnancy. I 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.480 knew that would be a beautiful bookend to the series. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:16.560 So that was always in my head. But so much 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.640 of it we've figured along the way. Also, the characters 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.720 kind of told us what to do. They really do 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.400 feel like fully formed people to me, so there's an 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.720 internal logic to them to getting too where we got to. 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.079 And you were saying that you've had conversations with the actors. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.919 How did you go about having those conversations with them? 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:34.720 Was that just like on set? Or did you go 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.160 out for dinner and say, what do you think about 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:37.880 Ollie doing this? 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:38.160 Like? 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:39.960 How did you go about those conversations? 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.640 It was like a kind of really organic thing because 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.640 at the beginning, when it came from a sort of 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.840 all made up story, I was a lot more like 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.960 protective and I was like, these are the characters, is 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.080 who they are? And then once we started making it, 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.480 it was so clear what the casts were bringing to it, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.280 and we really felt like we wanted to lean into 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.520 elements of their real lives, because it just brought this 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.640 beautiful naturalism to the show. And so we talked to 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.880 saff about her faith. We got Yanni to play, you know, 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.960 suggest music that they really loved in real life. Nat and 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:13.880 Carlos have been hugely involved in shaping their own characters' stories, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.000 and sometimes it's just little ancdotal things and other times 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:18.680 it's like, well, I think, you know, I think they 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.919 want to do this or that Hollywood pay like this. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.400 But it's a really warm conversation and it's I think 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.599 it's given us a lot of authenticity to the show. 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.560 And Paula, oh my god, Paula, like, you know, beautiful 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.800 Pala plays Rossa. She's just been like she's been a 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.000 translator for a few seasons now, Like she's just brought 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.920 all these amazing ideas, like Laura Loca in season four 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.080 at the wedding, like big Colombian tradition. She's just been 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:47.479 an absolute gold mine of like wonderful contributions and suggestions 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.240 for Rosser, who's just become I think, like a favorite 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:51.200 character for everyone. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:52.080 She's just so good. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.159 Do you know what it's so funny about her character 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:55.800 was when she turned up I was like, Oh, I'm 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.240 going to hate this character, and then as it got 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.800 to the end of series five, I just was like, 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.359 I can't believe the trajectory that I've been on with 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.440 this woman. But now I'm obsessed with her, Like she 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.240 brings so much heart and a different perspective and a 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.800 different voice, and I think we need that, we need 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.080 different voices in television. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.440 Absolutely, And I mean she's brilliant, she speaks four languages, 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.400 she's just got the most impeccable comic timing. I just 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.800 think she's amazing, and she's like she's a big star. 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.440 She's just been a gift to the show. I think 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.200 she'd only just moved to Australia with her partner when 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.360 we had the original call out for auditions, and she'd 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.080 done a little bit of acting before overseas. But she 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.320 gave her this really low fi self tape in and 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.479 Claude and I were just like, she's the one, She's 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.640 the one. She's amazing, and yeah, she has really grown 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.239 with the character over time, and I think everyone loves 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:45.560 he now. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.359 Claudiger, I think was saying to me that when you 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.200 guys were doing casting for these characters, that you were 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.800 looking for real people that felt like people that live 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:54.479 in the real world. 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:55.920 So a lot of the people. 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.440 That you had in this were first time actors, some 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.400 of them had never been on screen before. And that's 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.000 a huge gamble, Like you know, that to me sounds 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.400 like I'd be nervous about it, but it really has. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.560 It's paid off with the authenticity of how real these 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:10.239 people feel. 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.000 To me, totally, it's a huge gamble. 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.120 I mean not only that, but I didn't have a 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.640 single TV credit before this show, and John and Dan 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.520 and Claude took a chance on me too, So I 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.920 guess there was a sort of built into the show's DNA, 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.280 an open mindedness about giving new people a chance. And 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.640 we've and that's been true a crew as well, and 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.320 people that have come through on the crew side, And 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.520 I think it's sort of a philosophical approach that Claude 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.039 and John and Dan have always brought to their shows, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.800 which is amazing because it is such a hugeist as 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.159 so much money involved, and not many producers are brave. 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:42.200 Enough to do it. You know. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.359 I did message Claudia on Instagram when the trailer dropped 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.880 and I said to her, the trailers every year are 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.320 so impactful, Like you just amused the choices of music, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.000 and so I see the center of message because I 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:57.839 rode my bike to the gym and just looped the 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.800 song from the trailer and just played that over and 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.359 over again. You also enamored with the way in which 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.679 the music has suited this series so well. 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.000 Standard is a credit for the trailer songs. 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.600 But with Claude and I are very closely involved in music, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.040 every aspect of music in the series where we're both 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.120 total music snobs. We love music and we work really 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.320 hard to with the directors who have amazing inputs in 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.080 that to get the right kind of interesting and songs. 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.120 There's there's sort of two musical parts to show. There's 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.400 the South American music, there's Colombia and Chilean music, but 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.080 then there's the like we really are very local like 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.239 we have you know, local independent Sydney musicians as well, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.800 and as part of what it's so much part of 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.440 the show's DNA and what makes it of the place 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.280 it's from and the people who are in it. 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:42.560 Yeah, the score is really good. 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.280 I always think of the score being the origin story 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.640 for the White Loatus theme song. Did you watch White 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.080 Loatus and then did you keep it? 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:50.560 Yeah? I love that show. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.240 I also that's sort of a bit of the bongo 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:57.000 drum in the background to create explaining what these characters. 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:57.360 Are going through. 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.520 And that's kind of what my loatus started doing. And 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.880 I was like, where is this thing come from? And 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.680 I was like, oh my god, it's bump. It's that, 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.240 you know, letting the audience know that things are silly 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.640 or intense by the levels of these bongo drums, sort 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:10.880 of creating in the background. 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.040 Maybe Mike White can give me a job next time. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:14.720 I'm trying to track credit for it. 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:16.920 I's the limit for you. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.400 Like, I just think I loved your story. I remember 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.920 reading it and hearing about you being a journalist and 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.520 just teaching yourself the writing or wanting to just write 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.040 the scripts and see how you do it. 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.360 I think it was clicks or there was a short 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:31.360 that you were working on. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.120 So that was the spec script that got me in 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.720 the door at Ralph Diamond. It was a half hour 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.440 DRAMAEDI set in a broadsheet newspaper, which coincidentally was where 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.160 I worked for twelve years in a broadsheet newspaper. But 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.680 it was very funny and quite heightened, removed from real 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.640 newspaper journalism. But I love that world and I'd still 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.439 love to make that show. One day you'll be a 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.560 retro piece one day, you know, the Internet destroying newspapers. 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:54.920 No, I love of it. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.520 But I think one of the Edwards, John Old Dan, 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.520 one of them, had said to you, no one wants 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.640 to hear about journalists or something. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:01.960 That's right. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.920 I tried to remind him of that periodically. I'm like, yeah, 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.200 I remember you said, no one gives a shit about journalists. 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.480 I want to read that script. I want to see that. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:11.480 I want to see that show. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.840 I think it'd be a pretty fun one to make. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.360 Yeah, I know, I was self taught as a screenwriter, 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.280 and yeah, I had been a journalism for a long time. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.120 And I thought, if I want to give it a crack, 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.560 I really need to. You know, I'm not getting any younger. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.440 And I had my second kid, and I tried to 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:29.800 spend some of my maternity leave just figuring out how 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:30.160 to do this. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.040 I actually know though, to contact John Edwards. Though, had 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.160 you been a fan of Secret Life of Us and 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.679 Love my Way and just being up puncher and thought, well, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.600 they're the shows that I like, I want to make 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.080 something like that, and reached out to them directly. I mean, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:43.160 how did that all come about? 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.040 I absolutely wish I'd been that strategic, and I absolutely 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.680 was a fan of Love my Way in particular and 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.679 a lot of the shows John had made. But I 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.600 didn't know a single soul in the screen industry. And 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.320 my one friend worked in our acquisitions at the ABC 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.679 on the commercial side, and he was the first and 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.600 only person to read my specscript and he's like, ah, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.600 this is quite good. I might give it to my 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.040 mate Dan Edwards, and I was like cool, like not 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.000 having a clue how lucky I was to have that 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.840 sort of pathway in and I'm and Dan kind of 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.840 called me a few days later and was like, this 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:14.319 is really good. 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:15.040 We want to talk to you. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.200 So it was just I just threw some miraculous stroke 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.920 of like landed with exactly the right people, and I 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:21.920 didn't know anyone else. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.679 It was just a life changing fluke. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.080 It's an interesting story because like there's kind of a 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.880 premise to bump, you know, like there's no premise that 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.120 had been there for like Secret Life of Us or 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.560 Love my Way where there was sort of a concept 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.760 where with this there was kind of this concept of 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.000 teenager has a baby, and what was interesting about that 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.440 concept was, I'm sure I got people to watch it, 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.560 but this show became so much more than just a 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.200 teenager having a baby and a toilet. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.319 It was immediately watching. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:54.160 Episode one you realized that these characters were and could 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.720 live in the world of Love my Way and secret 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.040 life of us, Like, these people are real and this 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.480 isn't just a trick to the show, do you know 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:02.920 what I mean? 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.360 Yeah, that's really perceptive. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.920 I think like it honestly felt like, in a way, 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.320 a kind of mildly transgressive trick to pitch this is 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.400 what the show is. But honestly, I don't know that 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.640 I would be an audience member for that show if 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.160 it had been the dumb version of that, you know, 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.320 like teenage mother, And so I wanted to do a 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.439 stealth away into like a really fun kind of relationship 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.520 dramady with that as a sort. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.800 Of a hook. But you're right, no, it was exactly 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:29.040 like that. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.160 And I think John and Claude they've always pushed the 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.240 bounds of what can be made in a join TV 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.400 and pushed for more realism or naturalism, and I was 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.040 calming at it from a purely audienced perspective because I've 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.000 never made anything before to know how to make anything, 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.880 and I just I just sort of said, well, no 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.640 one's got time to watch hours like I just want to. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:47.520 It's got to be half an hour. 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:48.840 It's going to be quick, it's got. 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:50.360 To be funny, Like, let's not waste the one time 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.480 people can watch whatever they want from anywhere in the world. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.400 Let's just try and get their attention with what we're 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.360 making by making it as real as we can. 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.520 Yeah, the balance of the humor with the serious is 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.600 so well put together because there are things that are 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.000 happening in series five that no spoiler to the audience 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.320 that are watching it, but there is some really heavy content. 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.720 But yet we're still finding this lifeline of this humor 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.640 trickles along through the back. That means that it's not depressing. 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.920 It means that it feels like life, it feels like 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.480 it's uplifting. I think that that is a really hard 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.680 tightrope to walk as a creator. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:28.920 Yeah, Oh that's great. 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.040 I'm so glad you felt that, because I know you've 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.840 seen all of season five and one of our first 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:34.520 audience members. 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.000 It's so exciting to hear some feedback on. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.200 It, But that is I mean, it's just life, right, 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.280 Like I have a lot of close friends who've lost 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.679 their parents in the last couple of years, and even 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.920 through the just devastation of it that there's always laughter. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.160 And I think that's that's just how we wanted to 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.320 tread the line in this show. Like I hate watching 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:55.840 Ernest Pofos television. 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:57.880 I'm just like, ugh, if I want to be sad, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:59.400 I'll go read the news. I don't. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.840 It has to be fun, it has to be entertaining. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.840 But also I think the tonal thing is just it's 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:06.920 just our sense of humor. Like claud and my sense 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.080 of humor, we like having that mix of you know, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.040 the occasional gut punch with stuff that's just really fun 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:13.520 to watch. 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.079 Yeah, I think that that's a part of Claudia's DNA. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.560 Like I was watching her Australian Story the other day. 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.400 I've seen it a couple of times. But what I 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:25.560 really like about Claudia is her ability to represent her 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.760 art as an actor as a producer by creating these 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.240 moments that I think for her she's lived through you 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.600 know like she's gone into it, if that makes any sense, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.280 She's allowing herself to process things and to think about it. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.920 What's interesting about that is that there was two points 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.400 where I stopped watching. I watched eight episodes in a row, 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.280 and then I went and sat in the park. And 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.040 what was really interesting about my reflection of what I 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.160 was up to at that point was it was hope. 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.680 I wasn't sitting in the park. It made me feel 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.599 invested in life. If that's not too wanky, you know 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:00.000 what I mean? 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.120 Like I just felt that's fabulous. 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.520 I let the wind blow against my face and I 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.439 took the dog to the park and I just sat 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.280 there with no music, no nothing, and I was letting 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:11.800 this show wash over me. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.880 That's divine, God. I wish we had you know, all 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.000 the audience was paying as much attention as you are. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.240 That's beautiful. But we really hope for that. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.000 Like that's I love that invested in life. This is 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:23.080 a great way of putting it. 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.440 There's something really quite beautiful about the investment that people 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.480 have had as an audience in these characters, and you 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.600 guys understanding those characters and still delivering. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:32.800 Them to us. 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.000 In a final series like this that is so impactful 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:36.680 as an audience. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.720 I'm delighted to you that that's really great. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.720 Are you feeling nervous about the fact that it's also 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.800 coming to an end or are you ready to do 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:43.440 something else? 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.000 Like what's going on for you? 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.920 I'm feeling like it's a very bittersweet to be kind 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.560 of winding bump up, like especially when we finished the 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.360 shoot a few months ago, it was just like, oh 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.120 my god, all these beautiful people won't all being in 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.760 the same place again, and that was kind of very bittersweet. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.280 But the I feel like we've just made such a 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.400 good season and creatively it feels very satisfying. So that 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.560 kind of makes me excited for people to see it, 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.920 even though I think there are going to be Yeah, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.120 I hope people love it, like you put it beautifully, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.600 like there's that sort of roller coaster of emotions, but 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.880 it's very life affirming, I think. So I'm excited for 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.520 people to see it. And it always comes out like 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.880 when everyone's away. So I've watched most of this like 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.040 when I'm away down the coast or something not with 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.560 my friends or with the cast and crew, So it's 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.200 just exciting to think it's fun. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:31.000 They're going to be out there. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:31.280 In the world. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.280 I know so many people that have watched it, they 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:34.840 watch it in a chunk, And that's kind of the 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.920 reason why I watched it in a chunk as well, 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:38.800 because I know that people on Boxing Day have eaten 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.480 a lot of Christmas lunch and they edge out and 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.840 then they can disappear into this world, which is almost 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.200 a bit of an antidote for the after Christmas, you 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.480 know what I mean, Because it is about family, is 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.360 about the complexities of family, and it makes you think about, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.360 you know, what just happened on Christmas Day. I think 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.080 that's how a lot of people will find it. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.720 Yeah, and like an escape from your own family. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.960 I was going to ask you about Natalie getting brought 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.720 into the writer's room because you know, she'd been working 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.880 as a young actress in this you know, from the 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.480 get go, and then from season four to season five 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.720 you welcomed her into the writer's room. Because it's kind 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.440 of beautiful watching Claudia's relationship with Natalie, Like they look 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.280 like they've found each other in some kind of soulmates 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:22.120 or it. Somehow it feels like Claudia's looking back at 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.120 who she was when she started out. There's something kind 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.920 of a mentorship there and giving back. But yeah, what 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.680 was the decision in getting Natalie in there and what 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:30.120 was that like? 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:31.800 And that's just so clever. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.480 And I think she started over the course of several 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.840 seasons she started becoming more interesting in the sort of 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.560 behind the camera aspects of it and the storytelling and direction. 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.680 And I think I think she wrote a spec script 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.000