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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to TV Reload. I want to
Speaker 1: thank you for clicking and downloading on today's episode with
Speaker 1: Kelsey Munroe, the creator of Bump, which has its final
Speaker 1: series now available on STAN Australia. I have been such
Speaker 1: a big fan of Bump right from the start, like
Speaker 1: a lot of Australians watching it on Boxing Day or
Speaker 1: binging it on Boxing Day. I originally thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be quite different to the previous collaborations of
Speaker 1: John and Dan Edwards with Claudia Carvin. Growing up with
Speaker 1: shows like Secret Love of Us and Love My Way,
Speaker 1: I was used to a particular tone. But I quite
Speaker 1: quickly realized that Bump had every single aspect of their
Speaker 1: extraordinary vision and Kelsey had brought.
Speaker 2: Them an idea that would keep us in thralled.
Speaker 1: For five seasons, something very rare in Australia. Kelsey will
Speaker 1: unpack the way on which she found herself leaping from
Speaker 1: being a journalist to a TV content creator. We will
Speaker 1: chat about her relationship with Claudia Carvin and.
Speaker 2: How they shared very similar ideas on humor. I find
Speaker 2: out what it was like to.
Speaker 1: Bring Natalie Morris, the actress who plays Ollie, into the
Speaker 1: writer's room for season five. You will get everything from
Speaker 1: how Kelsey felt about this being her final series, what
Speaker 1: moment offered her closure, and what is next for Kelsi
Speaker 1: Munroe moving forward. There was actually so much to talk about,
Speaker 1: as usual, with so many inside revelations, So guys sit
Speaker 1: back and relax as we unpack the wonderful world of Bump,
Speaker 1: now available on Stan Australia. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: about what the decision was consciously I uncouple with this show.
Speaker 3: My kids were.
Speaker 4: Really little when I started making this show, and that
Speaker 4: kind of when I look at them now, I gotter
Speaker 4: started high school, and that makes you realize how much
Speaker 4: time there's been. Kids on the show have growing up.
Speaker 4: Nat and Carlos and Yanni and Sofia. They're all like
Speaker 4: babies in their very early twenties or teens in Yuannie's case.
Speaker 3: And it's been a really beautiful process.
Speaker 4: And I feel like we could do it in this
Speaker 4: creatively satisfying way and totally go out with a bang,
Speaker 4: And the risk otherwise was I think we could have
Speaker 4: turned into something that was treading water and maybe become soapy,
Speaker 4: which is we've always been aspired to something more elevated
Speaker 4: than that, and we really wanted to honor that in
Speaker 4: the show and tie it up in this very powerful
Speaker 4: kind of way that we're really happy with.
Speaker 1: It's always surprising to me how you can make television
Speaker 1: so potent like this compared to something like a home
Speaker 1: in a way and neighbors. It could be so easy
Speaker 1: to create characters and write it like that where it
Speaker 1: feels like every thought that goes into Bump is very deliberate.
Speaker 3: That's good, thank you.
Speaker 4: It's extremely thought through, and we take Claude and I
Speaker 4: take it really seriously everything we're doing, and in so
Speaker 4: much contribution from the cast now as well, so they
Speaker 4: all have a lot of ownership over their characters, but
Speaker 4: certainly in the writer's room.
Speaker 3: I like the show to be fun to watch, but I.
Speaker 4: Take it dead seriously in terms of like plotting it
Speaker 4: like the real people with real wants and real interests
Speaker 4: and real senses of humor, and so yeah, we work
Speaker 4: really hard to make it as good as we can.
Speaker 1: How much of where you started is this where you
Speaker 1: thought these characters would go how did you go with
Speaker 1: that process?
Speaker 4: This is my first TV show, and I never imagined
Speaker 4: we would get five seasons. I was always pretty adamant
Speaker 4: that I wanted to end with olli second pregnancy. I
Speaker 4: knew that would be a beautiful bookend to the series.
Speaker 4: So that was always in my head. But so much
Speaker 4: of it we've figured along the way. Also, the characters
Speaker 4: kind of told us what to do. They really do
Speaker 4: feel like fully formed people to me, so there's an
Speaker 4: internal logic to them to getting too where we got to.
Speaker 1: And you were saying that you've had conversations with the actors.
Speaker 1: How did you go about having those conversations with them?
Speaker 1: Was that just like on set? Or did you go
Speaker 1: out for dinner and say, what do you think about
Speaker 1: Ollie doing this?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: How did you go about those conversations?
Speaker 4: It was like a kind of really organic thing because
Speaker 4: at the beginning, when it came from a sort of
Speaker 4: all made up story, I was a lot more like
Speaker 4: protective and I was like, these are the characters, is
Speaker 4: who they are? And then once we started making it,
Speaker 4: it was so clear what the casts were bringing to it,
Speaker 4: and we really felt like we wanted to lean into
Speaker 4: elements of their real lives, because it just brought this
Speaker 4: beautiful naturalism to the show. And so we talked to
Speaker 4: saff about her faith. We got Yanni to play, you know,
Speaker 4: suggest music that they really loved in real life. Nat and
Speaker 4: Carlos have been hugely involved in shaping their own characters' stories,
Speaker 4: and sometimes it's just little ancdotal things and other times
Speaker 4: it's like, well, I think, you know, I think they
Speaker 4: want to do this or that Hollywood pay like this.
Speaker 4: But it's a really warm conversation and it's I think
Speaker 4: it's given us a lot of authenticity to the show.
Speaker 4: And Paula, oh my god, Paula, like, you know, beautiful
Speaker 4: Pala plays Rossa. She's just been like she's been a
Speaker 4: translator for a few seasons now, Like she's just brought
Speaker 4: all these amazing ideas, like Laura Loca in season four
Speaker 4: at the wedding, like big Colombian tradition. She's just been
Speaker 4: an absolute gold mine of like wonderful contributions and suggestions
Speaker 4: for Rosser, who's just become I think, like a favorite
Speaker 4: character for everyone.
Speaker 3: She's just so good.
Speaker 1: Do you know what it's so funny about her character
Speaker 1: was when she turned up I was like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: going to hate this character, and then as it got
Speaker 1: to the end of series five, I just was like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe the trajectory that I've been on with
Speaker 1: this woman. But now I'm obsessed with her, Like she
Speaker 1: brings so much heart and a different perspective and a
Speaker 1: different voice, and I think we need that, we need
Speaker 1: different voices in television.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I mean she's brilliant, she speaks four languages,
Speaker 4: she's just got the most impeccable comic timing. I just
Speaker 4: think she's amazing, and she's like she's a big star.
Speaker 4: She's just been a gift to the show. I think
Speaker 4: she'd only just moved to Australia with her partner when
Speaker 4: we had the original call out for auditions, and she'd
Speaker 4: done a little bit of acting before overseas. But she
Speaker 4: gave her this really low fi self tape in and
Speaker 4: Claude and I were just like, she's the one, She's
Speaker 4: the one. She's amazing, and yeah, she has really grown
Speaker 4: with the character over time, and I think everyone loves
Speaker 4: he now.
Speaker 1: Claudiger, I think was saying to me that when you
Speaker 1: guys were doing casting for these characters, that you were
Speaker 1: looking for real people that felt like people that live
Speaker 1: in the real world.
Speaker 3: So a lot of the people.
Speaker 1: That you had in this were first time actors, some
Speaker 1: of them had never been on screen before. And that's
Speaker 1: a huge gamble, Like you know, that to me sounds
Speaker 1: like I'd be nervous about it, but it really has.
Speaker 1: It's paid off with the authenticity of how real these
Speaker 1: people feel.
Speaker 3: To me, totally, it's a huge gamble.
Speaker 4: I mean not only that, but I didn't have a
Speaker 4: single TV credit before this show, and John and Dan
Speaker 4: and Claude took a chance on me too, So I
Speaker 4: guess there was a sort of built into the show's DNA,
Speaker 4: an open mindedness about giving new people a chance. And
Speaker 4: we've and that's been true a crew as well, and
Speaker 4: people that have come through on the crew side, And
Speaker 4: I think it's sort of a philosophical approach that Claude
Speaker 4: and John and Dan have always brought to their shows,
Speaker 4: which is amazing because it is such a hugeist as
Speaker 4: so much money involved, and not many producers are brave.
Speaker 3: Enough to do it. You know.
Speaker 1: I did message Claudia on Instagram when the trailer dropped
Speaker 1: and I said to her, the trailers every year are
Speaker 1: so impactful, Like you just amused the choices of music,
Speaker 1: and so I see the center of message because I
Speaker 1: rode my bike to the gym and just looped the
Speaker 1: song from the trailer and just played that over and
Speaker 1: over again. You also enamored with the way in which
Speaker 1: the music has suited this series so well.
Speaker 3: Standard is a credit for the trailer songs.
Speaker 4: But with Claude and I are very closely involved in music,
Speaker 4: every aspect of music in the series where we're both
Speaker 4: total music snobs. We love music and we work really
Speaker 4: hard to with the directors who have amazing inputs in
Speaker 4: that to get the right kind of interesting and songs.
Speaker 4: There's there's sort of two musical parts to show. There's
Speaker 4: the South American music, there's Colombia and Chilean music, but
Speaker 4: then there's the like we really are very local like
Speaker 4: we have you know, local independent Sydney musicians as well,
Speaker 4: and as part of what it's so much part of
Speaker 4: the show's DNA and what makes it of the place
Speaker 4: it's from and the people who are in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the score is really good.
Speaker 1: I always think of the score being the origin story
Speaker 1: for the White Loatus theme song. Did you watch White
Speaker 1: Loatus and then did you keep it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I love that show.
Speaker 1: I also that's sort of a bit of the bongo
Speaker 1: drum in the background to create explaining what these characters.
Speaker 2: Are going through.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what my loatus started doing. And
Speaker 1: I was like, where is this thing come from? And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it's bump. It's that,
Speaker 1: you know, letting the audience know that things are silly
Speaker 1: or intense by the levels of these bongo drums, sort
Speaker 1: of creating in the background.
Speaker 4: Maybe Mike White can give me a job next time.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to track credit for it.
Speaker 2: I's the limit for you.
Speaker 1: Like, I just think I loved your story. I remember
Speaker 1: reading it and hearing about you being a journalist and
Speaker 1: just teaching yourself the writing or wanting to just write
Speaker 1: the scripts and see how you do it.
Speaker 2: I think it was clicks or there was a short
Speaker 2: that you were working on.
Speaker 4: So that was the spec script that got me in
Speaker 4: the door at Ralph Diamond. It was a half hour
Speaker 4: DRAMAEDI set in a broadsheet newspaper, which coincidentally was where
Speaker 4: I worked for twelve years in a broadsheet newspaper. But
Speaker 4: it was very funny and quite heightened, removed from real
Speaker 4: newspaper journalism. But I love that world and I'd still
Speaker 4: love to make that show. One day you'll be a
Speaker 4: retro piece one day, you know, the Internet destroying newspapers.
Speaker 2: No, I love of it.
Speaker 1: But I think one of the Edwards, John Old Dan,
Speaker 1: one of them, had said to you, no one wants
Speaker 1: to hear about journalists or something.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: I tried to remind him of that periodically. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I remember you said, no one gives a shit about journalists.
Speaker 2: I want to read that script. I want to see that.
Speaker 2: I want to see that show.
Speaker 3: I think it'd be a pretty fun one to make.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I was self taught as a screenwriter,
Speaker 4: and yeah, I had been a journalism for a long time.
Speaker 4: And I thought, if I want to give it a crack,
Speaker 4: I really need to. You know, I'm not getting any younger.
Speaker 4: And I had my second kid, and I tried to
Speaker 4: spend some of my maternity leave just figuring out how
Speaker 4: to do this.
Speaker 1: I actually know though, to contact John Edwards. Though, had
Speaker 1: you been a fan of Secret Life of Us and
Speaker 1: Love my Way and just being up puncher and thought, well,
Speaker 1: they're the shows that I like, I want to make
Speaker 1: something like that, and reached out to them directly. I mean,
Speaker 1: how did that all come about?
Speaker 4: I absolutely wish I'd been that strategic, and I absolutely
Speaker 4: was a fan of Love my Way in particular and
Speaker 4: a lot of the shows John had made. But I
Speaker 4: didn't know a single soul in the screen industry. And
Speaker 4: my one friend worked in our acquisitions at the ABC
Speaker 4: on the commercial side, and he was the first and
Speaker 4: only person to read my specscript and he's like, ah,
Speaker 4: this is quite good. I might give it to my
Speaker 4: mate Dan Edwards, and I was like cool, like not
Speaker 4: having a clue how lucky I was to have that
Speaker 4: sort of pathway in and I'm and Dan kind of
Speaker 4: called me a few days later and was like, this
Speaker 4: is really good.
Speaker 3: We want to talk to you.
Speaker 4: So it was just I just threw some miraculous stroke
Speaker 4: of like landed with exactly the right people, and I
Speaker 4: didn't know anyone else.
Speaker 3: It was just a life changing fluke.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting story because like there's kind of a
Speaker 1: premise to bump, you know, like there's no premise that
Speaker 1: had been there for like Secret Life of Us or
Speaker 1: Love my Way where there was sort of a concept
Speaker 1: where with this there was kind of this concept of
Speaker 1: teenager has a baby, and what was interesting about that
Speaker 1: concept was, I'm sure I got people to watch it,
Speaker 1: but this show became so much more than just a
Speaker 1: teenager having a baby and a toilet.
Speaker 2: It was immediately watching.
Speaker 1: Episode one you realized that these characters were and could
Speaker 1: live in the world of Love my Way and secret
Speaker 1: life of us, Like, these people are real and this
Speaker 1: isn't just a trick to the show, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really perceptive.
Speaker 4: I think like it honestly felt like, in a way,
Speaker 4: a kind of mildly transgressive trick to pitch this is
Speaker 4: what the show is. But honestly, I don't know that
Speaker 4: I would be an audience member for that show if
Speaker 4: it had been the dumb version of that, you know,
Speaker 4: like teenage mother, And so I wanted to do a
Speaker 4: stealth away into like a really fun kind of relationship
Speaker 4: dramady with that as a sort.
Speaker 3: Of a hook. But you're right, no, it was exactly
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 4: And I think John and Claude they've always pushed the
Speaker 4: bounds of what can be made in a join TV
Speaker 4: and pushed for more realism or naturalism, and I was
Speaker 4: calming at it from a purely audienced perspective because I've
Speaker 4: never made anything before to know how to make anything,
Speaker 4: and I just I just sort of said, well, no
Speaker 4: one's got time to watch hours like I just want to.
Speaker 4: It's got to be half an hour.
Speaker 3: It's going to be quick, it's got.
Speaker 4: To be funny, Like, let's not waste the one time
Speaker 4: people can watch whatever they want from anywhere in the world.
Speaker 4: Let's just try and get their attention with what we're
Speaker 4: making by making it as real as we can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the balance of the humor with the serious is
Speaker 1: so well put together because there are things that are
Speaker 1: happening in series five that no spoiler to the audience
Speaker 1: that are watching it, but there is some really heavy content.
Speaker 1: But yet we're still finding this lifeline of this humor
Speaker 1: trickles along through the back. That means that it's not depressing.
Speaker 1: It means that it feels like life, it feels like
Speaker 1: it's uplifting. I think that that is a really hard
Speaker 1: tightrope to walk as a creator.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh that's great.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad you felt that, because I know you've
Speaker 4: seen all of season five and one of our first
Speaker 4: audience members.
Speaker 3: It's so exciting to hear some feedback on.
Speaker 4: It, But that is I mean, it's just life, right,
Speaker 4: Like I have a lot of close friends who've lost
Speaker 4: their parents in the last couple of years, and even
Speaker 4: through the just devastation of it that there's always laughter.
Speaker 4: And I think that's that's just how we wanted to
Speaker 4: tread the line in this show. Like I hate watching
Speaker 4: Ernest Pofos television.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, ugh, if I want to be sad,
Speaker 3: I'll go read the news. I don't.
Speaker 4: It has to be fun, it has to be entertaining.
Speaker 4: But also I think the tonal thing is just it's
Speaker 4: just our sense of humor. Like claud and my sense
Speaker 4: of humor, we like having that mix of you know,
Speaker 4: the occasional gut punch with stuff that's just really fun
Speaker 4: to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's a part of Claudia's DNA.
Speaker 1: Like I was watching her Australian Story the other day.
Speaker 1: I've seen it a couple of times. But what I
Speaker 1: really like about Claudia is her ability to represent her
Speaker 1: art as an actor as a producer by creating these
Speaker 1: moments that I think for her she's lived through you
Speaker 1: know like she's gone into it, if that makes any sense,
Speaker 1: She's allowing herself to process things and to think about it.
Speaker 1: What's interesting about that is that there was two points
Speaker 1: where I stopped watching. I watched eight episodes in a row,
Speaker 1: and then I went and sat in the park. And
Speaker 1: what was really interesting about my reflection of what I
Speaker 1: was up to at that point was it was hope.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sitting in the park. It made me feel
Speaker 1: invested in life. If that's not too wanky, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like I just felt that's fabulous.
Speaker 1: I let the wind blow against my face and I
Speaker 1: took the dog to the park and I just sat
Speaker 1: there with no music, no nothing, and I was letting
Speaker 1: this show wash over me.
Speaker 4: That's divine, God. I wish we had you know, all
Speaker 4: the audience was paying as much attention as you are.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful. But we really hope for that.
Speaker 4: Like that's I love that invested in life. This is
Speaker 4: a great way of putting it.
Speaker 1: There's something really quite beautiful about the investment that people
Speaker 1: have had as an audience in these characters, and you
Speaker 1: guys understanding those characters and still delivering.
Speaker 2: Them to us.
Speaker 1: In a final series like this that is so impactful
Speaker 1: as an audience.
Speaker 3: I'm delighted to you that that's really great.
Speaker 1: Are you feeling nervous about the fact that it's also
Speaker 1: coming to an end or are you ready to do
Speaker 1: something else?
Speaker 2: Like what's going on for you?
Speaker 4: I'm feeling like it's a very bittersweet to be kind
Speaker 4: of winding bump up, like especially when we finished the
Speaker 4: shoot a few months ago, it was just like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, all these beautiful people won't all being in
Speaker 4: the same place again, and that was kind of very bittersweet.
Speaker 4: But the I feel like we've just made such a
Speaker 4: good season and creatively it feels very satisfying. So that
Speaker 4: kind of makes me excited for people to see it,
Speaker 4: even though I think there are going to be Yeah,
Speaker 4: I hope people love it, like you put it beautifully,
Speaker 4: like there's that sort of roller coaster of emotions, but
Speaker 4: it's very life affirming, I think. So I'm excited for
Speaker 4: people to see it. And it always comes out like
Speaker 4: when everyone's away. So I've watched most of this like
Speaker 4: when I'm away down the coast or something not with
Speaker 4: my friends or with the cast and crew, So it's
Speaker 4: just exciting to think it's fun.
Speaker 3: They're going to be out there.
Speaker 4: In the world.
Speaker 1: I know so many people that have watched it, they
Speaker 1: watch it in a chunk, And that's kind of the
Speaker 1: reason why I watched it in a chunk as well,
Speaker 1: because I know that people on Boxing Day have eaten
Speaker 1: a lot of Christmas lunch and they edge out and
Speaker 1: then they can disappear into this world, which is almost
Speaker 1: a bit of an antidote for the after Christmas, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Because it is about family, is
Speaker 1: about the complexities of family, and it makes you think about,
Speaker 1: you know, what just happened on Christmas Day. I think
Speaker 1: that's how a lot of people will find it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like an escape from your own family.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about Natalie getting brought
Speaker 1: into the writer's room because you know, she'd been working
Speaker 1: as a young actress in this you know, from the
Speaker 1: get go, and then from season four to season five
Speaker 1: you welcomed her into the writer's room. Because it's kind
Speaker 1: of beautiful watching Claudia's relationship with Natalie, Like they look
Speaker 1: like they've found each other in some kind of soulmates
Speaker 1: or it. Somehow it feels like Claudia's looking back at
Speaker 1: who she was when she started out. There's something kind
Speaker 1: of a mentorship there and giving back. But yeah, what
Speaker 1: was the decision in getting Natalie in there and what
Speaker 1: was that like?
Speaker 3: And that's just so clever.
Speaker 4: And I think she started over the course of several
Speaker 4: seasons she started becoming more interesting in the sort of
Speaker 4: behind the camera aspects of it and the storytelling and direction.
Speaker 4: And I think I think she wrote a spec script
Speaker 4: and we saw that and we were, like Jesus, pretty good,
Speaker 4: and so we brought her in. She co wrote YEA
Speaker 4: five with beautiful Shanti Gushan, who's one of the writers
Speaker 4: to Gooments for a couple of seasons now. And I
Speaker 4: don't want to speak for that, but I think she
Speaker 4: really enjoyed being in the writer's room and just sort
Speaker 4: of seeing how this she just made.
Speaker 3: I hope she enjoyed it, but yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 4: It was a really great thing to be able to
Speaker 4: bring her in and get her insight into the character
Speaker 4: and see her developed that new skill.
Speaker 3: It was awesome.
Speaker 2: What a collaboration.
Speaker 1: I mean, the writer's room are always so fascinating to me,
Speaker 1: with getting a collection of ideas together and making a
Speaker 1: conscious narrative, but then having young voices come in. I
Speaker 1: think that's so important with these shows because so often
Speaker 1: shows had been in the past written by you know,
Speaker 1: adults writing for children, and the author is always missing.
Speaker 1: Where bringing people in from different diversity, in different ages.
Speaker 2: You don't know.
Speaker 1: It, but you can feel it with bump that that's
Speaker 1: obviously what's happened.
Speaker 3: No, that's really good to hear.
Speaker 4: Although I do remember in the first season somebody did,
Speaker 4: how do you get the you know, the teenager's lingo
Speaker 4: so authentic? It was kind of like a man a
Speaker 4: teenager for some some decades.
Speaker 3: But well, you know, we talked to people, we listen
Speaker 3: to people.
Speaker 4: A lot of the people involved have kids, but then
Speaker 4: once we got the cast involved, they were really from
Speaker 4: that generation and that really helps too.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite moment from this series, by
Speaker 1: the way, not maybe not what goes to camera, but
Speaker 1: maybe a personal reflection from you, maybe while it was
Speaker 1: being shot or when you were writing that scene for you,
Speaker 1: Is there a moment that you really feel proud of
Speaker 1: or resonate with.
Speaker 3: Oh, gosh, there's so many. That's a hard question. We think.
Speaker 2: I just want you to know one. It's like Sophie's choice.
Speaker 3: It's awful.
Speaker 2: What is this.
Speaker 3: Podcast only allowed one?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's actually weirdly, it's hard to not think
Speaker 4: of the last day of shoot because we had that
Speaker 4: motif with the candles and the beautiful director Becca O'Brien
Speaker 4: and her first Michael Sama. They got me to for
Speaker 4: the final wrap. They got me to come in and
Speaker 4: blow out the last candle and it was so touching.
Speaker 3: I just almost like tear.
Speaker 4: Up thinking about it, and everyone was clapping and hugging,
Speaker 4: and it was kind of when we were all sort
Speaker 4: of just, I guess, just kind of basking in what
Speaker 4: we'd made together and that that was really lovely.
Speaker 1: There was a scene with a magpie, So for people
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast, when they watched the show, they'll
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Doesn't happen at the end.
Speaker 1: It's sort of close towards the end, but it did
Speaker 1: feel like something quite special and it felt like closure.
Speaker 4: Great, that is what I was hoping for. That is
Speaker 4: always hopingful. And did you hear about the magpie.
Speaker 3: He's a real.
Speaker 4: Magpie called Banjo who is a trained magpie. He lives
Speaker 4: up in Queensland and his amazing handler drove him down
Speaker 4: and he was actually I think we had food sort
Speaker 4: of stashed in different corners of the room that he
Speaker 4: would fly around too to sort of swoop, and we
Speaker 4: had to do a bit of VFX stuff.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he was incredible.
Speaker 4: And we were like, that's going to be like twenty
Speaker 4: cast and forty crew and are you sure this bird's
Speaker 4: going to be okay? And he's like, yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 4: trained at bird shows, you know, like those zoo bird shows,
Speaker 4: so he's just completely used.
Speaker 3: To screaming people. It was incredible.
Speaker 4: It was an amazing bird, and he was just really
Speaker 4: chilled out with like all these mad people flapping around him.
Speaker 2: Who finds these people? Who? How do they exist?
Speaker 4: I know, it's such an extraordinary skill set, and I
Speaker 4: don't think there's too many trained magpies in the world,
Speaker 4: so it was pretty amazing. But that scene, yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't want to spoil it either, but it was that
Speaker 4: feeling of trying to find an emotional balance in the
Speaker 4: new world that the characters are in.
Speaker 3: I was, I was. I was very stressed out on
Speaker 3: set that day. I got got a bird. We've got
Speaker 3: like every cast member.
Speaker 4: It was just there was no time but Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a beautiful scene and thank you for pointing it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They say, don't work with animals and children, and you're like,
Speaker 1: I've got an idea for a show Bump with children,
Speaker 1: having children more put them there just to make it difficult.
Speaker 3: Why not just chucking in a couple of dogs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I can't. Let the director's still
Speaker 3: talking to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll call you up and ask you can you
Speaker 1: deliver another a successful show like this. We want to
Speaker 1: make another show that can do five seasons, which is
Speaker 1: so rare, you know. I think what another journalist was
Speaker 1: saying to me the other day. He was saying it
Speaker 1: was sad that Bump is finishing because he really enjoys
Speaker 1: series that are five season but he couldn't think of
Speaker 1: another show that's up to five seasons at the moment.
Speaker 1: They have been shows that obviously Australian shows like that,
Speaker 1: but he was like, I can't think of anything that's
Speaker 1: at season five that's made in Australia at the moment.
Speaker 2: So it's quite an achievement. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, it's kind of a miracle. And when you think
Speaker 4: about how many miracles have to happen to just even
Speaker 4: get one season made like it's just been an extraordinary ride.
Speaker 4: And I would like to say it's you know, there's
Speaker 4: a replicable model.
Speaker 3: But I'm I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's like catching is I catching lightning in a bottle?
Speaker 4: Like I think we just we got so lucky on
Speaker 4: so many fronts. And yeah, I just I love the show.
Speaker 4: I'm so proud of it, and I just it's just
Speaker 4: really makes me happy that it's been able to breathe
Speaker 4: and stretched out and had this amazing run on stand.
Speaker 3: It's been incredible.
Speaker 1: Something tells me that you're going to catch that lightning
Speaker 1: in a bottle again. I just feel it. I just
Speaker 1: feel it. So you know, we'll keep that vision board
Speaker 1: going for you. Everybody joins the podcast. We finished with
Speaker 1: this last question, which is what is something from behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, maybe something that we as an audience may
Speaker 1: not know. I know that that Magpie one was pretty
Speaker 1: good and I probably should have thought about that, But
Speaker 1: is there there is something from behind seeing something that
Speaker 1: you can reveal. It's just that this episode five hundred
Speaker 1: and five, it would be remissive me to not ask.
Speaker 3: That you know you're gonna have I was putting the pressure.
Speaker 2: On as well.
Speaker 1: I always say that to people. I'm like, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: email them in advance the email and say what I
Speaker 1: think of this, because oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Hard to top the Magpie. That was a really amazing day.
Speaker 3: Bluey the Dog.
Speaker 4: While we're on like hiring children and animals, Bluey the
Speaker 4: dog was pretty amazing. Actually, this is cute that we
Speaker 4: really because Bluey was really I've forgotten his name. It
Speaker 4: was a beautiful, beautiful little I mean, he's just old
Speaker 4: enough to be able to work on set because they
Speaker 4: have to be vaccinated like humans to work on set,
Speaker 4: and he was just mad as a cut snake, like
Speaker 4: he was just everywhere, and it was a miracle to
Speaker 4: get like a shot of him just playing with beautiful
Speaker 4: Aba who plays to Cinder. But the trainer came the
Speaker 4: whole is probably not giving away too much because it
Speaker 4: happens in the first five minutes. But when Jacinda like
Speaker 4: kidnaps the puppy, we had to get that shot of
Speaker 4: the puppy inside her school bag. And that dog was
Speaker 4: not getting inside a school bag, like it was just
Speaker 4: you know, it was no way anyway, her owner and
Speaker 4: trainer came up with this ingenious idea of kind of
Speaker 4: opening the top of its crate and sort of fitting
Speaker 4: this school bag over the top of the crate, so
Speaker 4: it was you know what I mean, like sort of
Speaker 4: a lid over the crate. So the dog just had
Speaker 4: to pop up in its crate where it normally lives
Speaker 4: and it's happy, just had to pop up and take a.
Speaker 3: Treat to look like it was in this school bag.
Speaker 4: And that's how we got that little shot that you're like, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: the dog's in the school bag. So yeah, no bluies
Speaker 4: were harmed in the making of it. It was really
Speaker 4: clever solution.
Speaker 2: It made me want that breed of dog. That dog
Speaker 2: was so cute.
Speaker 3: When it was so cute, I've always wanted one. A
Speaker 3: blue Healer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 1: Well, I have to say thank you so much for
Speaker 1: your generosity with your time and unpacking this show. I
Speaker 1: am so in your audience and can't wait to see
Speaker 1: where you go with this. And I can't wait for
Speaker 1: you to hear the feedback from season five because I
Speaker 1: think that you're going to get I.
Speaker 2: Think it's going to make you feel better about the.
Speaker 1: Fact that it's come to an end, that you've delivered
Speaker 1: something like this and that people have enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: That's so lovely, Ben, thank you, It's been an absolute
Speaker 4: pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I was like when I when when I
Speaker 1: found out from Stanle that you said yes to doing this,
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, and I texted Claudia.
Speaker 2: I was like, I've completed the.
Speaker 1: Puzzle because I've had Claudia, I've had John, and I've
Speaker 1: had Natalie y. So like, this was a real joy
Speaker 1: to have you at the end. Who's the creator and
Speaker 1: the genius behind this And it was so lovely to
Speaker 1: hear all of these other people that have been on
Speaker 1: the podcast talk about you and seeing your praises then
Speaker 1: to come together with today, which is great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great, thank you. I really knowed it