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Speaker 1: Brillant podcasting.

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Speaker 2: Now okay, it's kids sings well and Morney.

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Speaker 1: I hope everyone's having a wonderful Thursday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Woods.

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Speaker 1: Today is, of course, are you Okada, The moment that

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Speaker 1: you sit down with people or even just send them

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Speaker 1: a text, give them a phone call, whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: to ask them how they are doing, and to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about this, to talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about this. Obviously, we've done some extensive legwork

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes to get someone not from the charity

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Speaker 1: are You Okay, but rather the CEO, the chair of

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Speaker 1: the founder of God You a Life, which is Gus

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Speaker 1: Walland and Jordan's on the phone right now and Gus,

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Speaker 1: as you said to me just then, we're all in

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Speaker 1: this together. So titles are very much secondary. And also

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Speaker 1: that's a nice piece of forgiveness for the production team.

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Speaker 2: We're sweating on this as well. But we prefer you,

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Speaker 2: We prefer you having on you on the show. But

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Speaker 2: talk about this anyway, mate, So thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, no problem. Like I said, are you Oka?

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Speaker 3: Brilliant organization, support them of them, and we should be

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Speaker 3: in collaboration with more people like that. We should take

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Speaker 3: ego out when we're talking about mental health and mental fitness.

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Speaker 3: So happy to help and step into the breach with

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Speaker 3: yours in particular.

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Speaker 2: It's great to be in the breach with you, Gus.

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Speaker 4: But last time we were in the breach, you were

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Speaker 4: nursing a couple of cooked tuna hand rolls or maybe

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Speaker 4: crispy chicken. I believe now we've got to you. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's past lunch now, Gus. But have we got you

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Speaker 4: in the clear there? Have we got a bit of

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Speaker 4: food by your side?

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Speaker 3: Now I am clear of all types of boys, and

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Speaker 3: I'm twenty eight kilos down. I think I've been on

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Speaker 3: a I've been on a real get myself healthy type

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Speaker 3: of stuff. So although sort of fried food behind me, unless,

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Speaker 3: of course, at some stage I fall a partner and

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Speaker 3: I go back to one hundred and tikilos, but I'm certainly

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Speaker 3: hoping that's going to be the case. So it was

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Speaker 3: boys and with a nice orders. About as exciting as

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Speaker 3: I get these days.

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Speaker 4: Hell, I wasn't expecting that. What a moment our show.

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Speaker 4: Gus Wallen's final crispy chicken hand roll was during that show.

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Speaker 2: What a moment in history that'll be a Herald Sun

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Speaker 2: quiz question in years to come.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a before or after audio clip

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Speaker 2: It's an audible medium. But can you pick Gus Wallan at.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty killers and Gus Wallen at one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty two killers?

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Speaker 2: You probably could. You probably could hear it, Yeah, for

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Speaker 2: those of the two years.

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Speaker 3: The thing for me is I have got less chins now,

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Speaker 3: so I reckon I probably do sound a little bit

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Speaker 3: clearer I.

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Speaker 2: Thought about it.

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Speaker 3: Tells me I'm looking.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, you've actually got.

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Speaker 3: To thirty years. Boy together lift did you?

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Speaker 2: Did you? Gus?

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Speaker 4: I mean to try and get that impact with your

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Speaker 2: Did you hide it?

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Speaker 4: Did you hide away the rig while you were losing

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Speaker 4: the weight and then have that night where you were like.

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Speaker 3: Me, you boys, I still love being the clown, so

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Speaker 3: I'd always do that. Not so much now my kids

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Speaker 3: dropping the town, just strolling through people and stuff. But

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Speaker 3: what I've been able to do now is just a

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Speaker 3: little bit of clipping, just a little bit of working

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Speaker 3: that is weight.

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Speaker 2: You've finally got some eyes on it, which is huge

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Speaker 3: As well, because the gut was in the way.

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Speaker 2: All right, Now this is a good time. Now.

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Speaker 1: You know what I like about it is I like

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Speaker 1: I like talking to you about mental health, actually, Gus,

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Speaker 1: because I know that you know this doesn't need to

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Speaker 1: And I think you're you're you're a great person at

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Speaker 1: was amazing, But get this, every second day an Australian

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Speaker 1: trading takes their own life very second day and Aussie trading, Now,

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Speaker 1: what's the what's the link?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people listening obviously with no

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Speaker 1: let's call it blokiness for one of a better word,

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Speaker 1: just laughing about, which you know, go for it. You know,

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Speaker 1: We can't, we can't do that. What's going on there?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's to be a stereotype that we're

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Speaker 3: So just imagine a trade, very blokey. Most of them

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Speaker 3: and it's the way it's always been and that's just

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Speaker 3: the line in the sand and go you know what,

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Speaker 1: Hey, Gus, can I I'm just going to tack onto

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Speaker 1: that little bit there and tie in my friend Woody here,

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Speaker 2: He's rattled. But you and I were talking about this

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Speaker 1: Woods and Gus were just saying, the manliest thing you

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Speaker 1: had a really hectic day the other day because you're

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Speaker 1: me through the conversation we had about me saying to you,

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Speaker 1: why didn't you tell anybody in the team at that point?

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Speaker 1: Because I think these are connected.

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Speaker 3: That's all natural and it's okay to feel all those ways.

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Speaker 3: There's no actual proper way of dealing with this. The

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Speaker 1: Not telling other people goes from not being manly to

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Speaker 1: They're doing wonderful stuff Gotcha for Life, Gus Willan's doing

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Speaker 4: Go and see you had a great balloon and now,

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Speaker 1: And it's all about the power of prevention through connection.

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Speaker 1: for coming on board, and thanks for us so much

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Speaker 3: Mate, absolute pleasure boys anytime, have a great afternoon.

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