1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: This is the Happy Family's podcast. It's doctor Justin Coulson, 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: where Luc and Susie our husband and wife radio team 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: with three young boys. This is the podcast for the 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants some answers now. 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 2: Quite frankly, I don't know whether we talk enough about 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: discipline and public discipline and parenting whether they should hit 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: or talk or yell to their children. I think it's 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: a subject that nobody gets upset about. Everyone's on the 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: same page as there's nothing to see here, right. We've 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: had a bunch of things come to the show about 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: this very We have. 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: A a couple of messages in particular, actually one from Sarah, 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: one from Molina in different context, but this same same 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: topic of public discipline of children. What is an appropriate 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: way to discipline your children when you're in a public setting, 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: Doctor Justin Coulson from Happy Families dot com dot AU. 17 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: We throw this one to you. 18 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: Well, if people are watching, you've got to make it 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: look serious. You've got to have the angry face, and 20 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: you've got to raise your hand. You might not use it, 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: but you've. 22 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 4: Got to make it look like you're disciplining children. 23 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: How to discipline your children in the public that's not 24 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: that's not the point. What are they doing out of 25 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: the dungeon. 26 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: The alternative, of course, the public discipline is when you 27 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 3: when you crouch down in front. 28 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 4: Of your child and you've got a great big smile 29 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 4: on your face so it looks like a conversation and 30 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 4: you're seeing them. If you do that again, I'm going 31 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 4: to tee your. 32 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: With your thumb just a little harder than they're comfortable. 33 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to take this away from the sarcast again 34 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: because I was taught by someone. 35 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 4: I went to university. 36 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: I was taught by someone you praise your children publicly, 37 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: you discipline them privately. So if your children misbehave in 38 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: a public space, you take them away from the public 39 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: space to address that behavior. Your thoughts, Doctor Justin Colson, 40 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: the look on his face is says, well, I'd like 41 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: to talk to that person. 42 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 4: I was just listening. 43 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: So I think that we need to get back to 44 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: the fundamentals of what discipline is. Discipline and punishment are different, 45 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: and I know we've talked about this. For punishment means 46 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: I'm going to hurt someone because I don't like what 47 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: they've done. Now I'm paraphrasing the dictionary there, But that's 48 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: essentially it let me hurt you because you're upsetting me. 49 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: I don't like the way you're behaving. You're challenging me, 50 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: and I need to punish you for that. I need 51 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: to make you pay a price. I need to take 52 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: something away from you or hurt you because of what 53 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: you're doing. Discipline means that we teach, we guide, we instruct, 54 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: we show a better way, and so should we discipline 55 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: our children in public? Absolutely, we should discipline whenever they 56 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: need to be taught, guide and instructed. Of course, when 57 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 3: there's an audience, children tend not to be particularly responsive 58 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: to our efforts to teach them, guide them, and instruct them. Similarly, 59 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: when we try to teach them, guide them, and instruct 60 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: them and they're feeling a bit emotional about life, they 61 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: tend not to take very much on. 62 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 4: So I would suggest that, you know, let's say. 63 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: You're in the shops, you've got half a trolley of 64 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 3: groceries and you've got to get out of there, and 65 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 3: one of the kid starts having them outdown because you 66 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 3: won open up a packet of biscuits and let them 67 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 3: have one. 68 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: And mums everywhere are now turning up to listen to 69 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: what you say. 70 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: Next to lolli, you can go over and get a 71 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: piece of free fruit, which supermarkets and offering them. 72 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 4: But if you've got a child who is dead set 73 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 4: I've got to have. 74 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: A lollipop, then it's time for us as parents to 75 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: set effective limits and to talk things through. So there's 76 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: a few things that we can do in public. Number One, 77 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: before you get there, explain what the expectation is. Now. 78 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: It might be the park, it might be the shops. 79 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 3: That could be the beach. It doesn't really matter where 80 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 3: you're going or. 81 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 4: What you're doing. 82 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 3: Let the kids know ahead of time, and let them 83 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: know when there's ten minutes to go, we're going to 84 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 3: give you a ten minute warning. When there's five minutes 85 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: to go, you get a five minute warning. When there's 86 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 3: two minutes to go, you get a two minute warning, 87 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: and then we've got to go. If everybody does the 88 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 3: right thing, we'll have a happy time. If anyone loses 89 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: the plot, I'm going to have to pick you up 90 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: and carry it to the car. We don't want that, 91 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: do it. So you know, you can pre arm. Let 92 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: everyone know what's going on. We're going into the shops. 93 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: You can have a three piece of fruit, but there 94 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: are no lollipops. If that hasn't worked for whatever reason, 95 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: the next thing you do is you validate how they feel. Now, 96 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: I know this is exactly the opposite to what we 97 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: want to do, because what we want to do is say. 98 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: That's it, I've had enough to get over here, and 99 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: would we want them to validate how we feel or. 100 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 3: Just do what we say they need to do. But 101 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: validation can go like this. I like the idea of 102 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: giving them in fantasy what they can't have in reality. 103 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: It's a wonderful way of saying I get where you're 104 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: coming from. So this is something that I've done with 105 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: my kids so many times we're in the shops. They 106 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: want the lollipop. I say to them, lollipops are pretty good, 107 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: aren't they. I like lollipops too. If you were gonna 108 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 3: have a lollipop, which one would you choose? Wouldn't it 109 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: be awesome if you could get one that was as 110 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 3: big as your fist, as big as your head? And 111 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 3: then I turned this thing where I'm showing them, I 112 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 3: really get how awesome it would be to have that lollipop, 113 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 3: and then I said to them, but you remember what 114 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: we talked about before we showed up, don't you. We 115 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 3: can have a piece of fruit or nothing, because we're 116 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,559 Speaker 3: not having treats because we've had too much sugar lately. 117 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: And that sounds cruel to some people that are like, 118 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 3: my goodness, you've just made all these almost promises. How 119 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: good would it be to have this? And then you're 120 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: saying no. But from an adult perspective, it makes sense 121 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: as well. So I may have shared this with you 122 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: once before. I'm looking to buy new house about a 123 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: year ago. I'm flicking through the paper. I see a 124 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: house for sale that's perfect. Lachlan and Sarah Murdoch as 125 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 3: selling their bronze beachfront in Sydney. They only want thirteen 126 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 3: and a half million dollars. It's only about thirteen million 127 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 3: more than I've got. And I called out to Kylin 128 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: and I said, Kylie, I found our house. And Kylie's 129 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: my wife, by the way something and Clarie came over 130 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: and she looked at it, and she could have said, 131 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: how many times do I need to tell you? 132 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 4: Would you stop looking at things that are just unaccessible? Inaccessible? 133 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: You know, never She could have belittled me, she could 134 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: have been angry with me, she could have just gone 135 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 3: whatever and walked away. But instead she looked at those 136 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: pictures and she said, my goodness, can you believe the 137 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: view from the bathroom? Oh, my goodness, look at the 138 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: way the living area, said that that. 139 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 4: Is just gorgeous. And then she said, oh, Lachland and 140 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 4: Sarah Murdoch thirty and a half million, So what would 141 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 4: you like to do about it? Do you know what 142 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 4: I mean? But she validated my feelings. You know how 143 00:05:58,480 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 4: it feels. 144 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: And when our kids losing the plot, Rather than trying 145 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 3: to discipline them and tell them how it has to be, 146 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: I think that it's much better if we try to 147 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 3: work out what's going on for them and just show 148 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: that we understand. 149 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 4: You want to stay at the park. You're having so 150 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 4: much fun. You wish you could ride your bike here 151 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 4: all day. 152 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, we do demand that they live in our world 153 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. It doesn't hurt to live in theirs 154 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: every now and then. 155 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: If only to show some empathy before we impose our 156 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 3: limits again. Now, the last point that I'll make is 157 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: that if the kids really do need to be disciplined, 158 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: that is if what's going on is unacceptable and needs 159 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: to stop now. 160 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 4: Perhaps they've pushed another kid over. 161 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: In the park, maybe they're having an absolute melt down 162 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 3: in the shops. In those instances, we just need to 163 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: pick our child up and remove them from the scene. 164 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: That might mean leaving the trolley at the service desk 165 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: and saying to the nice lady, I'll be back in 166 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 3: twenty minutes when my child has stopped melting down. Can 167 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: you just put the ice cream back in the freezer 168 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 3: and I'll be back soon, or just you know, leaving 169 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 3: the park. And sometimes we do have to wrestle them 170 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: and that kind of thing, and then we move away 171 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 3: and we I mean, it doesn't matter whether they're two 172 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: or twelve. Sometimes distraction or sometimes just a cuddle is 173 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: the best thing, and once they've calmed down we can 174 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: talk to what's really going on. 175 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: Again. 176 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: I need to say this so clearly our kids don't 177 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: wake up in the morning and think, right, today's the day. 178 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: I'm just going to wreak havoc. 179 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: I'm going to lose the plot when we go to 180 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: the shops, because that's what I know will get the 181 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: attention that I need. 182 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: It seems like they do. When we had twins, it 183 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: felt like they were having meetings every day. Okay, I 184 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: was yes day, it's your turn today, and we have 185 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: one perfect child one day, and then there'd be the 186 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: other ones and they switch. They keep switching. I'm like, 187 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: you're working this out, you can't give us one. 188 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: Day and then actually they go, let's see what happens 189 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: when we both do it together. 190 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 4: Tag tea. 191 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: But our kids need to be understood, and when we 192 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: take the time to understand them and then work with 193 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: them rather than do things to them, we can discipone 194 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: them really effectively in public because they feel validated and understood, 195 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: and we can work it out together as adults. 196 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: If we really can't grasp what's going on around and 197 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: we don't get what we want and someone says something 198 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: that we don't sort of think is good for us, 199 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: we throw adult tantrums all the time, like we actually 200 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: are no different in our behavior. The difference is we 201 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: as an adult, get the freedom to give ourselves the 202 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: space to calm down, but it'd be the equivalent to 203 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: jump too early with the discipline or the punishment would 204 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: be the equivalent for as an adult getting upset with 205 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: our boss and then the police coming and throwing us 206 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: in jail and us not really knowing why. Like it's 207 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: for them in their world of being able to understand 208 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: what's going on around them. We need to find a 209 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: way to give them that space and that calm down. 210 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: It seems like we expect more of our children than 211 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 3: we sometimes expect ourselves. I don't play of adults that 212 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: have some pretty big tanties, and they do them in 213 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: pretty public places on the road, for example, and it's 214 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: not necessarily good at all. I think that we need 215 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: to be able to manage ourselves so that we can 216 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: actually work with our kids. And too many parents can't 217 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: manage themselves and they get nervous. You know, you're in 218 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: the shops, who are in the park. Your child starts 219 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: to do something inappropriate, challenging, and we look around and 220 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: we see twelve sets of eyes on us. What's that 221 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: parent going to do? And so we need to look 222 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 3: like we're disappointing our child. I think the best thing 223 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 3: to do is give our child a hug. 224 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 2: It's quite funny because there's people who are making millions 225 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: of dollars right now teaching adults how to when you 226 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: get upset take a breath, take a moment, remove yourself 227 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: from the situation, and then re engage. Coming millions of 228 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 2: dollars worth of guidance in that area. Whereas this exactly 229 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: what you're talking about with your child. Let's teach them 230 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: now to learn how to take a breath when they're 231 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: upset and get distracted, get calm, and then re engage. 232 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 4: And I'm doing it for Freeli go doctor. 233 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: Just thank you so much for looking at public discipline 234 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: of children with us. 235 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: We really appreciate it. 236 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 4: Thanks Lurk, Thanks Suzie. 237 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: If you enjoy the podcast, please take a moment to 238 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: rate it on iTunes. 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